Just got a friend of mine out of jail for having his handgun on him while bank fishing. I'm no lawyer and don't have all of the details, but seems like common sense to have some type of weapon (preferably gun) while walking the bank...especially when you're way back in the brush walking creeks. You just don't know what the heck you might run into... I thought I saw something on this forum about carrying a gun in your boat. Guess something differs when walking the bank. Does it matter if its a handgun or long gun? Any lawyer types or know-it-alls out there that can elaborate?

i always carry a shotgun with me in the boat and have been checked by many game wardens and they always said it was fine.

How'd they know he had a gun? was it a cop or warden?

Is he licensed to carry?

A CHL should make him okay.

I believe if you are going to be walking around on public lands with a handgun, you have to have a CHL and have the weapon concealed. Boats and cars are a different matter.

^^^This^^^

Texas needs open carry

Straight from Chapter 46, Texas Penal Code.

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:

(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or

(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control.

was he on corps land, that could make a big difference?

I'm a cop and I don't carry on corp land. It says no guns permitted when you go through their gates. However, had it been me, I would have run his name and if all checked out,I would have sent him on his way with a warning. I appreciate good guys having weapons. They may have to help me out of a jam one day.

CHL = Trojan Horse.

Where will authorities look first for guns if they ever have a reason to come looking ? .....CHL Holders.

And...

Why should I pay for the privilege of exercising my 2nd Amendment Rights?

"The 2nd Amendment of our Bill of Rights IS my concealed weapons permit. PERIOD ! "



I cross 2-4 county lines almost every day on my way to work. Until CHL it was legal for me to do this to protect what I have worked hard to obtain. Now with CHL, I can no longer do this legally. Please explain the logic.

Must go now...Black helicopters circling my house.

I think most of us count on solid logical thinking like that, but it doesn't always happen.
I think we need more information before making any kind of pointless, sideline judgement call, though.

I feel the same way. I wish I had never gotten mine!

Hey kingfish just because someone doesn`t have a chl and wants to carry for self protection doesn`t make oneself a bad person and should be jailed if you`re ck`d out and not a felon should be left alone ,if u were in trouble and I was ur your only help would you be asking if I had a chl no..you would be tickled that i was carrying and maybe saved ur life...just saying...Bill

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We agree - I carried for years in Texas totally legally before CHL, now since ILLEGAL LAWS WERE ACCEPTED BY GUN OWNERS, I am forced to carry a riot gun, heck nine shots of 00 gets in the air faster anyway

I exercise my SECOND AMMENDMENT right and refuse to get CHL.

I don't carry a gun but you are now my new HERO!!!

+1! Growing up in Idaho, I remember dad and I going to convenient stores/restaurants both before and after our day of hunting/shooting with our sidearms openly visible on our hip... and nobody even gave it a second thought. And that wasn't in the "good old days" either; it was 10 years ago.

The only reason to carry a pistol is to buy you time to get to your shotgun.

In TX. if you don't have a CHL you're not lawfully allowed to carry a handgun on your person unless it's being transported, like from a vehicle to a home etc. then you're covered under the Castle law, there's no grey area there. I'm not a fan of the CHL and I'd prefer to see open carry like a few of the other states have. The rest fell into the officer's discretion and whatever happened between him and your buddy.

You should really take a look at the laws again.

In the good old days all Texas pickups had a gun rack with guns in the back.If you did that now everyone in a hundred miles would come to steal them.

House Bill 1815 as passed by the 80th Legislature allows for the carry of a concealed handgun on your premises or premises under your control (a vehicle and/or an RV included). There are several benefits to having a Texas Concealed Handgun License: You can legally carry a loaded, concealed handgun on your person and in other states which honor a Texas CHL. You no longer have to undergo an F.B.I. background check to purchase a firearm. You have the legal ability to defend yourself and other innocent people from the violent acts of criminals.

What law stopes a CHL carrier from going across county lines. Pleas explain I'm confussed on this.

You have the legal ability to defend yourself and other innocent people from the violent acts of criminals.

I have that ability all along not ceded to government sanction, and an illegitimate constitutional state and federal opinion --




We come from different times in Texas - BEFORE CHL I legally could carry a pistol in plain sight on the seat of my vehicle traveling on business from one county to the next, I could carry it in a holster from my vehicle , home or property to use in hunting or target shooting even somewhere else.

CHL is just one more step by government on LAW ABIDING CITIZENS to REMOVE your CONSTITUTIONAL right to own or carry as you see fit

For all those of you who roll over and play the State and Feds game just to carry a handgun - SHAME IS ON YOU

Regulation - we have been led like sheep to slaughter - and with about as much backbone

My apologies to the LEO's who have to enforce unjust and unpopular law - it is what it is - and I will do what I deem necessary to resist goobermint intrusion to my right to keep and bear arms !!!

Resist peacefully. willing to pay court costs as well to uphold our constitution !!!

There is no law that prevents CHL holders from crossing county lines. Previously, non CHL holders were held to the "travelling" rule before they were allowed to conceal carry in their vehicles. Most jurisdictions considered travelling to be the crossing of a county line.

As to your Second Admendment argument, all admendments to the Constitution contain certain restrictions. You cannot write a letter to the President threatening him with bodily harm and claim it is your First Admendment right.

Willie sang it best " he wore his gun outside his vest for all the HONEST world to see "

A well regulated militia? NO an over regulated citizenry !!!

I feel perfectly safe with or without a weapon, but carry when I know there may be a possible dangerous encounter

Carrying ANY firearm anywhere is our right - however wrong our lawmakers may be

I would like to hear the rest of this story about WHY this person was jailed -

I completely agree with your views about restrictions and regulations on the red blooded, working American. It's making it harder for us tax paying, law abiding citizens to buy, sale, and trade firearms with little effect on the people who obtain a gun to use in an illegal act. HOWEVER, and not to start an argument with you or anyone else but there NEEDS to be some type of regulation/restriction/registartion on firearms, be it federal or local. It would be careless, irresponsible, and wreckless if there were no laws what so ever for firearms, this Country would be in complete chaos!

Again,,, Just because someone chooses not to get a CHL but feels the need to carry for self protection and have some training on how to handle a weapon doesn`t make for a [bad person] as long as not a known felon..Wouldn`t want to be in a bad situation and somebody have protection on them and have to ask question do you have a CHL to carry, I`d be dam glad they had it was there to help.. just sayn...Bill

I have had a CHL since they started the program. No one as yet, has come to take my guns away, but I suppose under the demoncrats it could happen.

Those of you that have purchased weapons legally are registered with the ATF, so they'll come for yours whether you have a chl or not.

Nobodys saying they're a bad person, but their breaking the law. As last I checked being a good/bad person or having good/bad intentions doesnt determine whether or not we must follow said law. The law is black and white, we must abide by all of them or face the potential penalty for breaking them. In this case, the guy was carrying illegally.. mabey to him there was enough of a safety risk at this fishing spot to warrant risking a trip to jail.. I'd never fish anywhere I felt like I needed a gun to be safe in the first place, but to each their own!

Any guess as if the guy that shot my son during a hold up two months ago was legal to carry or legal to own for that matter. I am going with NO.

The gun laws are like pad locks. Only for the honest.

I had CHL when they first allowed but have let it go back because I found it hard to carry legal (concealed). You can bet that I will be getting it back and will carry every where I go.

Get yourself a MILT SPARKS VERSA MAX 2 Holster. Very comfortable,With a small Frame Semi Auto

Reading is fundamental, comprehension can be a bear though. Try re-reading Kingfish's post again...

You could not be more wrong to assume you can carry a weapon like that. He earned his jail time and all that come s with it. If he wants to carry then do it the right way. CHL!

My condolences, WANNA FISH. A Ruger LCP or LCR will fit comfortably inside most garmet pockets and draw well from a pocket holster.

Will look into that. I currently have a Glock 23 and always felt that everyone was looking at me like I had a gun.

Thanks Rireman. He was VERY lucky. Guy put a gun in passenger window of his truck and he took off out the door. Halfway out took a 40 cal 1" below belt and 2" right of center. Bullet chipped pelvic bone traveled down leg and blew up mid thigh.

Total of 13 days in hospital but he is better now.

When mine was current didn`t make no difference most places had signs u couldn`t carry a weapon in so u leave it in the truck and somebody breaks into it gets ur gun then regardless ur in trouble, not worth the trouble with the revised Castle law..Bill

better to go jail than 6 carrying you to the yard ...

President Bush in 2004 signed into law the "Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act" which exempts Law Enforcement from city and state laws concerning the carrying of firearms. The only place you can't carry is the court room if applied.

Thanks for all the feedback...didn't mean to get a 2nd amendment squabble going...

My buddy is safe and sound and did NOT lose his job...so I guess that's really all that matters. This happened at one of the creeks at Ray Bob by game wardens.

I moved here from MS 10 years ago and at one time hunted the type II land along Ray Rob. I don't hunt that area any longer due to a really bad experience with a game warden. On another occasion a warden actually reached for his gun after pulling me over while leaving the Roberts spillway...fishing. I have at least two very good friends in law enforcement and I understand it's a really tough job. But Dammit stop harrassing and bullying law abiding citizens....please!

Yep u musta looked like a criminal!!!!...Bill

It is not fair to comment on a situation that you were not there for. Did your friend have a warrant, what type of land was he on, was he a smart [censored] to the warden, did the warden have a bad day and decide to exercise the right to enforce the law? LEO's don't mess around even if you are legit, they want to go home from work in piece. LEO's do not decide what the laws are, they are told what to enforce.

They are trained to use their heads in enforcing law - and many do - SOME LEO's know how to use the convoluted gray matter between their ears - and some don't.

The CHL discussions go on ad infinitum on a lot of outdoorsmen sites

Suffice it to say I believe the majority of Texans know how to handle a firearm, and God forbid any of us have to use one in self defense.

I maintain my right to carry what I wish without becoming beholden or sanctioning poor laws (and yes CHL is outright foolish in my book)because it makes those of us over 45 who knew some freedom criminals when we exercise our rights to keep and bear arms.

My dads a retired cop, grew up around many LEO's the old guard strongly disagree with CHL and rightly so.

I get around this silliness in self defense by carrying what is legal without a CHL and can put a lot more lead in the air quickly, don't have to aim much with it, carry it openly, in my vehicle unloaded(with a quick loader) - legal with a pistol grip and concealable if I so wished.

Try stopping a raging bull meth head coked out on angel dust with a 9MM, kinda like a deer with its heart shot out will still kill ya even walkin dead.

Bad laws do not excuse stupidity on the part of gun owners, nor should law abiding citizens be hauled into the dock for carrying a so called non-licensed firearm

Shame on us Texas for not demanding better and holding our legislators accountable.

OMG, what did the signs say?

LOL!!! Hey Bill guess I was born with that criminal look on my face. Only one I got...

Honestly, the reason my buddy had the gun was for snakes, coyotes and whatever other aggressive critters that maybe out there. Like I said, he likes to walk way back in the thickets (alone) fishing/walking the creeks. Anyway, all is well and I'm staying out of this political fire-storm. Enjoyed the comments though...

Walking in the thickets,that gun will not help your friend when he steps on a snake and gets bit.

Before your bud wastes more money on CHL and havin to point a pistol

This is a great "snake" charmer - carry it with you anywhere you go

No one said it made him a bad person, did they? He was breaking the law, which you are completely entitled to do. But you also have to face the consequences for doing so.

If the guy #1 knew the law and #2 was following it, he wouldn't have been picked up.

I have no sympathy for people who break gun laws because they're ignorant to them. If you are going to have a gun you have a responsibility to know the laws that may effect you. And they're not hard to find or understand.

http://www.texasgunlaws.org/

also perfect for Zombie Apocalypse

YA run out of buckshot theres always the stabbin tool at the end of the barrel. Makes a nice round 6" deep hole in a feral hog - hate to see what it does on human flesh

He won't need to worry about wasting his money on a CHL because now that he's been arrested for carrying without he's not eligible to get a CHL

No CHL...no carry on your person unless in a vehicle...that is...with a pistol.

You CAN however sling a shotgun, ak-47, ar-15...or just about any other long arm you want (that is legal to possess) around your shoulder and walk through downtown if you want, I believe.

I heard of some protesters not too long ago carrying long arms in protest in austin, tx.

Here is an example of a person on federal property. Corp property is federal paid for with federal tax dollars. State laws do not apply to federal property. So all this about a state CHL is a non issue. There is lots of settled case law on this, here is some cases for anyone to look up and read. Heller vs District of Columbia, Mcdonald vs Ill.

Sorry NO - Federal property is MANAGED by Federal officers and PAID for with MY TAX dollars - It is a reservation within State of Texas lands. There is no such thing as Federal Tax dollars !!! Its dollars taken from John Q Public and doled out to manage Federal Branch.

We as citizens ALLOW these lands to be managed by Federal Rules and by vote those rules CAN be changed

The Federal Government makes nothing, prints money, and VOTERS own that , and until we again wake up to those facts , we get just EXACTLY the type of Goobermint we deserve !!!

Finally, someone that realizes what we all seem to forget. We ARE THE GOVERNMENT since we vote our elected officials in. Vote!

Those were the good ole days when carrying a shotgun in the back window of my pickup...

LOL!!! Votes may still count at the weekly Elks Lodge meeting, but us "voters" obviously have little say in what decisions our "elected" officials make for us. The WEALTHY & POWERFUL run this country my friend not us "voters".

I'm 71 years old. I've learned that the only reason I vote is so that I don't get included whenever people say ignorant things about people who don't vote.
IMO what's changing is our standard of living, and also our lifestyle.

Giving up your right to vote? Not me...

Giving it up??? No sir I think not. However I'll bring up the bailout issues just to use as an example. Voters said NO! Fannie, Berie, Chysler, and GM among others, said YES! You know the outcome. Citizens have their right to vote, but the vast majority of voters are not funding their candidates campaign.

I just read this and I guess I am not even allowed to use my slig shot to put out my range cubes. darn.
59.131 Definitions.
The following words and terms when used in this chapter, shall have the following meanings, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise.

Arms and Firearms: Any device from which shot, a projectile, arrow, or bolt is fired by the force of an explosion, compressed air, gas or mechanical device. To include, but not limited to, rifle, shotgun, handgun, air rifle, pellet gun, longbow, cross bow, sling shot, blow gun, or dart gun.

I like the fact that people have to get a CHL in order to carry in public. That just makes one more hoop the wrong kind of person needs to go through in order to legally carry a hand gun.

If your buddy was carrying without a CHL in public, then he was wrong.

If you are one that carries without a CHL that makes me think you have some wrong reason for carrying illegally.

Personally, i will never have a CHL because i wont go places where i feel like my safety is a consern.

Then you have been BRAINWASHED like 90% of the rest of a free countries citizens.

Why should a citizen be required to register with the state to own a weapon? Then have to CONCEAL such weapon as a matter of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS?

We have ammendments to our Federal Constitution which states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged -

Either that is a legal statement of fact or we just roll over and play dead when the government wants to do whatever --

The nefarious schemes come NOT from honest citizens exercising rights there under, but those who slyly control.

Just because one chooses to acquire a CHL to carry LEGAL handguns, gives them no more or less license than those of us who WILL NOT get one - it only prevents them from going before the bar if caught,and provides a means for goobermint to track them.

Our founding fathers were brilliant - they produced a document that WOULD keep men free - we have bastardized that fact by rolling over and playing dead when such goobermint becomes onerous -

Concealed Carry - what a freakin joke !!!

That guy who just bought his Tek 9 at a gun show, even though he is a felon, is laughing at this, right before he kicks in your door and puts one between your eyes !!!

92.7% of the posts on this thread are moronic.

You decide where you fall.

I won`t call nobody`s post out on this but u`ll get the idea,next time your at a boat ramp [can happen anywhere parking lot,stop light,etc.]early or late somebody sticks a gun in your in your face what then!!!!probably be dam glad if a person just happen to be there carryn and maybe saved ur life what???u gonna asked them if they had a chl to carry concealed ,don`t think so be wanting to kiss their a-- thanking them...just sayn.. Bill

That will depend on the conviction.

Unfortunately your feelings on safety aren't what decides whether or not you are actually in any danger.

However, feeling safe is the second best thing to actually being safe. The problem is that no one schedules these things. There are no public areas that are "safe". People kill other people in their own homes, they won't hesitate to do the same anywhere else.

Look man, im not brainwashed at all but thanks for the consideration. I just know that i dont like guns in public unless you are a peace officer. And if you have one, i sure as hell dont want to see it. I dont know you and you dont know me. You could be one of those crazy weirdos out on a revenge hunt for someone kicking your butt in the 3rd grade for all i know. I understand that a CHL doesnt keep the crazies from getting a gun but its one more hoop to jump through.

And if i was you, i wouldnt be griping about the CHL, because it protects "YOU", the person who wants to carry a hand gun. If you have to use your weapon in defense for any reason, and you dont have a CHL you are automatically going to jail whether you were defending yourself or not. Then you are going to have a way harder and more costly time in court explaining how you were defending yourself. A CHL makes the whole question of "why were you carrying a gun in public?" disappear and it makes it easier for you to defend yourself in court.

Ok so he pulls a gun on me, and then he does nothing while i try and pull my gun out??? No, he is going to shoot my a$$ before i can get my gun out. Also, the chances of someone carrying being there to "save me" in a place where someone would pull a gun on me is a 1 in 100,000 chance.

Do you guys realize how few of you are out there that carry hand guns around compared to the total population? You act like everyone has one and everyone is dumb to not have one. This isnt the Wild West, and we dont ride horses to the bar. If you feel safe with your gun, great. But dont expect others to feel safe around you just because you feel like a superhero with a gun, again i dont know you "guy carrying a killing device"

I know i probably sound like some anti- gun lobbiest but im really not guys. Im just not the guy that feels as though he needs to carry one and i think it is dumb if you think a CHL is hindering of your rights.

Just because i have my chl doesnt make me a "superhero". I just feel more prepared to be able to defend myself and my family. It is my right granted by our forefathers to be able to do it. I also believe we should have the right to open carry if we choose too, if u dont good for u, ur choice. I agree with the previous post that if gun confiscation ever comes about, chl holders will be one of the first checked out. Several states are open carry states now as we speak and i believe if u look at those states, they are not "old west and ride horses" states. i think they have the same type of technology and comforts as we do here in Texas. You would be suprised all how many chl u probably run across daily and dont know it. More exist than u realize. In this day and age, my personal opinion is everyone should be prepared. Im ex LEO, bil is current swat LEO, and we both support open carry, and if not then every person that is legally able to obtain one should. I really dont care what u do, but dont lump me as a superhero, or refer to me as old west mentality because i choose to have one. To me and to quote my bil: LEO are responders, very rarely are they able to be their to be first line protectors, it is up to each person to be prepared to do that. to each his own i guess.

Has anyone asked the question: How did the warden come to find out this guy was carrying a gun?

If the guy just volunteered that info during a routine license check, he's an idjit.

You don't get a CHL to carry in public, you get a CHL to have a defense if you have to use the weapon in public.

I all honesty , I would much prefer to know who is packin in public by the weapon being in a holster for all to see - its a prevention tool, nothing more or nothing less - I use my shotgun tool when I just possibly might meet a bad actor - otherwise I hope the LEO's get the drop --

Concealed carry is stupidity --

Not to go off topic, but are the CHL online classes legal in Texas

Lol? Yea lets just let everyone open carry like its the f****** old west. Genius. I'm sure that wouldn't lead to an insane spike in gun crime.

Really man? Come on.

Again before we start speaking about open carry being like the old west, do any of u guys actually do the research of the gun crime stats for the states that allow open carry? Those states are not reporting daily old west shoot outs. Just because u carry a gun, does not revert ur mentality back to the gunslinging days. LOL, i amazed what some people think.

These states permit open carry to all law-abiding citizens without a criminal record without any special permit or firearms license. The open carry is legal for a citizen on foot or in a motor vehicle. The states that allow this are Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, Virginia, Alaska and Kentucky.

Licensed Open Carry States allows open carry to all law-abiding citizens once they apply and are approved for a permit or firearms license. They can also carry on foot or in their motor vehicle. The states that require a permit or license for open carry are Utah, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Tennessee, Georgia, Maryland, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Hawaii and Massachusetts.

So as u can see by the listings above several states are open carry states. Do u hear about that many daily gun west shootouts on the news in these states? NOOO!! Get real folks not gonna happen like u think it is. JEEZ. LOL is right with our thinking these days.

Man needs a little backup dealin' with potlickers and other lowlifes.

And then you put cops in the position of having to run a background check on every single person they come across with a gun on their hip to make sure they dont have criminal records and/or a licence for it where applicable. And then you get into all kinds of 4th amendment BS and all kinds of legal land mines.

Can you imagine what a day in the life of a cop in Oak Cliff would be like? Or can you imagine being a cop rolling up on a group of 5 or 10 shady looking people all open carrying? And then having no choice but to involve himself in that situation? Do you know how unnerving it would be to be eating dinner in a restaurant with your family and a large group of shady looking guys walk in with their guns in plain sight? Even if they have no bad intentions, its going to scare people, and its unnecessary. I'm not saying it would be like the old west. I'm saying its the year 2011, and theres no need for it. . .BECAUSE we dont live in the old west anymore. We have widespread law enforcement to enforce the laws people used to have to do on their own in the 1800s.

If you don't like the gun laws in Texas, move. They have worked well since put in place. And as I said earlier, the laws are simple. If you can't follow them then you get to go to jail like any other criminal.

Texas laws have always sucked!!!! Its all about the Money

seems to be working for the states i have listed in my previous post,so i dont think the arguments about leo additional work are that big a deal. and if i dont agree with Texas gun laws why should "I" have to move. Ill continue to contact my elected officials to pass legislation to allow open carry as I did this past session. I like how if u dont agree with something, we are told to "move". Thats what used to be great about this country, and i hope it still is, we can have differences in opinion, and if we dont like the laws work to change them. Im otta here on this post, alot of biased closed minded people.

Timwins31 if you just knew how many were carrying in oak cliff, without permits for some reason, you would know LEO already walk up to groups and individuals expecting trouble. You are a little naive and need to get out more.

I would still carry concealed even if open carry was legal. If someone was planning on hurting anyone don't you think an armed person would be the first to get attention. Seems to me it is more of a deterrent if someone does not know who else or how many are armed.
Remember the saying if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!!

Here's a little reality for ya....Think about this next time you and your family is out for dinner! The table with the gun slinging rednecks or the table with the sheep?

What the 2nd amendment is really for

I think I like her, lol.

Dam ,Iron Will thank you I had forgotten she lost both her parents that day and she was a woman that spoke out about carrying and gun control...Bill

I lived in Alaska for 8 years and I can tell you that the gun laws in Alaska have not hurt the crime rates.
Just because you pass a law allowing open carry does not mean everyone will have a gun on them. Those who choose to carry will and those who do not won't.

Saying that law enforcement would have to check everyone they see with a gun for a felony on their record is crazy. Do they check every driver on the road to make sure they have a DL or the proper insurance? no.

Doug

And i might add --They damm shur don't ask if he is an american citizen.

Send all of the ILLEGALS BACK and the ones that want go--send them in a body bag!!!

I was a cop a few years ago and if i pulled up on some shady looking people i would rather them be open carry because at least i would see where the gun is because most shady looking people is going to have one somewhere. As far as what it would be like in the life of a cop in oak cliff. Its a job that no one is forced to take and if he can't do that job, then he needs to look at getting into something else. Its not near as dangerous as the wars overseas. I say the law should be up to the person to weather he wants to carry open, concealed or whatever as long as he is an American citizen, its our right to bear arms...

This is true to an extent. We are not allowed to carry on ANY federal property. Such includes Social Security Offices, Federal Court Houses, National Forests and Post Offices.

They denied me a CHL a few years back because I had put a guy in the hospital in a fist fight. He started it and I was found not guilty, as it was self defense. Did that keep me from carrying? Heck NO!! Nice little .40 Glock in my boot. LOL

I was glad I was carrying my rifle in my truck many, many years ago when we all did it out here in West Texas. I happened to see two guys attack a highway patrol officer when one of them snuck up behind him and whacked him on the head with a 2x4. I imediatley jumped the bar ditch in the landcruiser I was driving and sped toward one of the attackers who had just taken the gun away from the officer. As he started down on the officer, I bumped him with the landcruiser and jumped out with my 7MM pointed at his chest. He decided that it might be in his best judgement to stay on the ground and lay down beside his buddy until backup arrived. It was funny how many times they fell face first into the pavement as they were shackled and led to the cars for transport. Do I think law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry????? Better believe it!!!!!

I don't think you're coming across as anti-gun. However, if you consider what you would do in an emergency, which is to probably call someone who has a gun (a cop), you are just pushing the responsibility for your safety to someone else.

If you don't trust yourself with a handgun, or it's an inconvenience, that's your choice, but it doesn't make those of us who take our safety into our own hands "dumb", and yes it's hindering your rights just to be required to obtain a permit to exercise your 2nd Amendment right. You wouldn't want to have to attend classes and pay for a permit to exercise freedom of speech or your right to vote, so why is right to bear arms considered differently? I think it's because many people these days have a false sense of security and have distanced themselves mentally from believing reality can harshly present itself in an instant, and in that instant you are either prepared or you are not.

Again, it's a right, not an obligation.

Now we are up to 94.6%

Wore his gun outside his pants
For all the honest world to feel

Townes Van Zandt, BTW.

I like MY version and singer better

"Honest" citizens stand up and be counted !!

+1

I wish more people would take the CHL and start carrying. As a Peace Officer and looking at the Uniform Crime Reports since the State has allowed law abiding citizens the right to carry, the crime stats are much lower. Want to help with the crime problem in Texas, get yourself a CHL and use it if necessary for self defense.

I wonder if it's illegal to carry a fake gun as a deterrent.

No but it's a good way to get shot.

I think it might be worth going to jail to be safe!

Turns out the guy was a convicted Felon.
No guns for you

Don't think Black People or Indians would agree with you on that. I do agree on most everything else though.

Just sent in all my paperwork to get my CHL!! I dont even have any traffic tickets on my record so I think Im good to go! lol

Peace officers in Texas cannot arrest just because someone is illegal. I have personally arrested the same illegal 2 times for DWI. The first time he had a fake social security card and the DA would not accept the charge. I asked how he made it back so fast and he said ICE took him to Dallas and dropped him off and said don't go back.
The jail staff contacts ICE and if ICE wants to come get them they will most of the time they don't.
And on open carry, I could really care less as long as you tell me from the get go on a Traffic stop. Good and Bad people are always gonna have guns I just hope the good ones stop to help me in the bar ditch. Also, some departments don't allow officers to use their own discretion on whether or not to arrest. He may of had no choice on arresting your buddy.

Do not agree with this. The people I worry about having guns don't license anything. The government is really just collecting a list of honest people.

And they have black helicopters following you. They also must have a secret agency somewhere keeping track of your credit cards at all times so they know your location. And don't vote because the voting machines really tell "them" who you voted for. I hope you don't fish anywhere around me. They might start following me too. But they already are because I have a CHL and 44 confirmed in 65 thru 68. I must really be high up on their list. Think I'll move to an underground house where they can't find me.

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