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#6796696 - 11/01/11 10:37 AM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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This is why I pee in my backyard. Trying to help the water table.

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#6796706 - 11/01/11 10:42 AM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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I have a .8 gpf toilet at home it works pretty good. Very seldom do you have to double flush. The only problem is the toilet is about 300 bucks new. Not many people will pay that when you can get a toilet at Home Depot for 100 bucks.
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#6796709 - 11/01/11 10:43 AM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TxJole]
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Originally Posted By: TxJole
Originally Posted By: fouzman
We've been under Mandatory Water Rationing in Houston for months, now.

What blows me away are all the hoses and pumps I see going in to critically low lakes so people with lake houses can water their lawns. I was on Lake Conroe (which is 10 ft. low) this weekend and sure saw lots of pumps and hoses.

We got a letter on Cedar Creek with lakeside restrictions aswell. Problem you have is if your lakeside yard turns to dirt and we get rain you fill the lake with silt, plus if you over water lakeside the water table goes back in the lake.


Run off from houses in the city goes back to the creeks through storm drains. Same concept and still does not make sense.
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#6797232 - 11/01/11 01:05 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: David Lee]
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All I know for sure is Texas is experiencing a TEN year drought especially west of I-35 - if you look at reservoir storage levels statewide 60% are at or below 50% storage capacity.


If I were a water manger for Texas I'd be down on my knees daily, and IF you believe long term weather prognosticators - we haven't yet seen the worst -

I thought that was what planning was for plan for the worst and pray for the rest.

Take a look at statewide current lake levels - just rain won't do it, first you have to recharge dry soils - then you will get some runoff - problem is groundwater isn't being recharged

http://wiid.twdb.state.tx.us/ims/resinfo/BushButton/lakeStatus.asp

The trends I see are the lakes which get treated sewage runoff(those in metromess areas) are sixty to eighty percent full - those getting naturally occurring runoff are in pretty sad shape ---





Edited by TonyH. (11/01/11 01:37 PM)

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#6797908 - 11/01/11 03:44 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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Just and Idea.

I never understood why we need more lakes?

A few years ago, I found my favorite family Sandbass spot (Hickory Creek in Oklahoma on the Red River West of Texoma) no longer produced because the Red River had silted in the mouth of the creek, and is slowly working to silt in Lake Texoma (better book a Striper Fishing trip NOW, before the lake is completely silted over in few hundred or thousand years) and the fish no longer run up Hickory Creek.

Right now, When you go out to the lake, what do you see, lots of dirt. When our farm pond and tanks (for cattle) dried up, we cleaned them up and made them DEEPER. Every lake is going to silt in eventually, and since almost all lakes in Texas are Man made, then why not use a Manual option of removing the silt and making them deeper. Use a drag line, very common in Florida where we had our ranch. A single bucket from a drag line holds enough contents to fill a swimming pool. No need for another Dam, or build another lake, just maintain the lakes we currently have. When the rains come, and they will, we will have more room to hold what nature provides us natually.

There are plenty of construction project and other areas where they can safely dispose of the dirt. Even creating islands will still result in more depth and increase water retention.

What a good Tax payer funded project, to hire many 'out of work Texans'.

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#6798002 - 11/01/11 04:13 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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I asked that to Tarrant County Water and never got a reply.
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#6798607 - 11/01/11 07:01 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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Interesting link relating to the subject at hand:
http://www.brazos.org/DroughtStatus.asp
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#6798777 - 11/01/11 07:47 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: roadtrip]
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Yes and its expected the drought will intensify across Texas and some gulf states -

I pray its going to end , but fear we are in for a BAD time over the next two years.

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#6798899 - 11/01/11 08:20 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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Technology has been available for some time to treat sewage and have clean drinkable water on the other end. Some cities in West TX are starting to install that technology. Recycling the water is a big answer to this problem.
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#6799616 - 11/01/11 11:07 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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Recycle/Re-use options being deployed world wide are the future for water starved communities. I agree with ^^^^, and the technology is only getting better. Smaller, yet much more efficient treatment systems that can return 90% or more of our waste and run-off water will be the norm in the Water/Waste Water industry going forward. And let's not overlook how much water has been wasted over the years for industrial use, the numbers are staggering.

Industrial treatment, or plant specific water re-use/recycle treatment systems are being renovated or built all across the globe, and here in the US, many of the largest "chronic waters" have invested billions to mitigate rising water costs. In many cases, industries like food processing have been able to convert from 90 plus percent water waste to 90 plus percent water Re-use, some of your favorite 'tater chip makers are leaders in employing this technology.

Re-locating excess water from the Mississippi River Valley during annual flooding stages to drought stricken areas is also more than a concept, a concept similar to the Alaska Pipeline in the 1970's. And there so much more we can do.....

Nature may or may not take care of drought stricken Texas, but
but Texans are working on it.

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#6799696 - 11/01/11 11:53 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: BHR]
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Were it not for gray water not a tributary in Texas would be flowing right now -

Theoretically water can't be used up, as one was trying to posit here - but short term and maybe long enough for all my fishin holes to go dry --

Texas is carrying too many people for naturally available water in good years - drought is just an indicator of that factoid -

A HARD look needs to be taken on water use and recycling, surcharges for excessive use per household and business

Which surcharge monies to be used for interbasin transfer from high flows to drought stricken areas, then you must also cope with invasive,non- native plants and animals

WPA like projects to provide minimum jobs to construct such infrastructure, thats something I would be willing to pay tax on.

Go out to the land of fruits and nuts and see the California aqueduct - now why can't the Feds do something similar?

Nah that would be allowing our government can think independently bang

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#6800423 - 11/02/11 10:06 AM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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Originally Posted By: TonyH.
Yes and its expected the drought will intensify across Texas and some gulf states -

I pray its going to end , but fear we are in for a BAD time over the next two years.


And the World is coming to an end also... You better start digging your fallout shelter.

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#6807764 - 11/04/11 06:56 AM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: BassFever]
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Registered: 01/07/08
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Loc: Allen, TX
Plano dumped (drained) 700,000 gallons of water from a water tank into the street a few days ago so the tank could be painted on the inside.

Why couldn't they just shut off the intake and use the water until the tank wuz dry and then paint the thing. Surely it wouldn't have taken over a day or so to use the water rather than waste it!!! Stupid is as stupid does!

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#6810520 - 11/04/11 08:57 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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i am far from a tree hugger. as a irrigator i do know the need for PROPER irrigation,
as a fireman i do know the need of a water supply and how supply systems operate.
as a fisherman i enjoy the waterways.

that being said, we all need to pay attention to what is happening.

yes it will rain yes the lakes will refill.but as tony is saying the aquifars that much of the state depend on take years to recharge. the edwards has been falling for years with some of the foward thinking and acting minds managing it.

recleaned water is a definate option. lower gpm toiletts and appliances help.

i definatly am not one advocate xeroscape. i think its ugly and it hurts my business. but smart irrigation practises do work.
if you are serious about water usage you can rework your irrigation system. its not cost friendly but it is possible to cut your water usage by a third. now multply that third by all who irrigate and you can see tremendous savings on water usage.

the middle east is where irrigation started, almost all of israel uses drip.

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#6810738 - 11/04/11 09:53 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: me and the boys]
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Doesn't most water in lavon come from texoma? Then then to hubbard. Any way no rain, zebra mussells,normal useage,and little release of water makes all even worse. Where does texomas water come from? I know the red river.where is that water from. Its looking bad. Ponds and lakes that I have seen be low before are almost gone now.how long till those recover? Few more months and some of my favorite spots will be gone for good.
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#6819433 - 11/07/11 03:11 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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People will learn to conserve when it hits the pocketbook hard enough but the problem is that we might not have time to adjust before the pipes go dry as some cities have already experienced.

Another big hurdle in moving forward is future allocations of water (usually from aquifers) is based on historic usage and proposed growth of municipalities. The ground water permitting process is all caught up in political wrangling over ownership and rights using questionable science and money from those that stand to lose millions if things don't go their way.
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#6907350 - 12/04/11 10:53 AM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: ChuChu1]
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we as society wont let cops do their jobs dont go there I am a ex-cop for 10 years and yes rather be fishing
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#6908033 - 12/04/11 02:11 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: mstewart]
Guide Chuck Rollins Offline
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Originally Posted By: mstewart
Just and Idea.

I never understood why we need more lakes?

A few years ago, I found my favorite family Sandbass spot (Hickory Creek in Oklahoma on the Red River West of Texoma) no longer produced because the Red River had silted in the mouth of the creek, and is slowly working to silt in Lake Texoma (better book a Striper Fishing trip NOW, before the lake is completely silted over in few hundred or thousand years) and the fish no longer run up Hickory Creek.



Right now, When you go out to the lake, what do you see, lots of dirt. When our farm pond and tanks (for cattle) dried up, we cleaned them up and made them DEEPER. Every lake is going to silt in eventually, and since almost all lakes in Texas are Man made, then why not use a Manual option of removing the silt and making them deeper. Use a drag line, very common in Florida where we had our ranch. A single bucket from a drag line holds enough contents to fill a swimming pool. No need for another Dam, or build another lake, just maintain the lakes we currently have. When the rains come, and they will, we will have more room to hold what nature provides us natually.

There are plenty of construction project and other areas where they can safely dispose of the dirt. Even creating islands will still result in more depth and increase water retention.

What a good Tax payer funded project, to hire many 'out of work Texans'.


I think dredging the lake bottoms would be an excellent idea. Silt covers thousands of acres here on CC. If the lake was dredged with sand pumps it could potentially hold several more feet of water over thousands of acres. That's a lot of water!


Edited by Guide Chuck Rollins (12/04/11 02:12 PM)
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#6909363 - 12/04/11 07:16 PM Re: Deep Do Do [Re: TonyH.]
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Here is a look at the Dust Bowl Drought vs. 1950's drought.
1950's drought is the benchmark used by many hydrologists.
Also see my research on L. Palestine during La Ninas>



http://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbt...Lev#Post6873429

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