what can i expect from the ecoboost f150 trailering a 21 ft bass boat. power wise and gas mileage.

If you can get ahold of JR Howard (O H Ivie guide) he can give you an answer. But in the mean time I'll be waiting for an answer too .

Another question too! How are they holding up? Any major problems yet?

I followed JR home from amistad a few weeks ago and all I can say is that baby has some pulling power. I wasn't pulling anything and had a hard time keeping up with him.(1500 dodge) I couldn't tell ya for sure about the milage but he will chime in here i'm sure.

What I have been hearing from our customers is that its towing similar loads to that with no problem and gas milage is basically the same as a 5.4 would have been which is in the ball park of 13-15 MPG if you are a little heavy footed. My 4.6 does about that towing my Xpress which is light but I drive pretty fast.

The upside is the MPG the rest of the time, averaging high teens around town with a ton more HP than our 4.6's and 5.4's its a fun truck to drive for sure.

To get the 22 ford is saying........granny driving even on the HWY 65 max.

BTW, so far we haven't written a repair order for any engine issues to speak of.

I have thought all along that the MPG claims were suspect. Mainly because you have Jerry Reynolds on TV claiming 25. I would not trust that guy any further than I can throw him which is not far. MPG is highly variable based on driving behavior. It is good to see that there have been no problems with the engines. Maybe Ford got this one right. It would take a lot to over come the foul taste they left in my mouth before I could ever buy one.

It's far too early in the life of the engine....see if problems appear 2-5 years down the road.

I have the new coyote motor 5.0 likes in the new mustangs without the super charger this things a [hoss] more hp 365 tq I think 345 more than the 5.4 same or maybe better mileage. It will pull my tandem axle trailer w/66 fairlane likes its not back there have to run the cruise all the time on the freeway can`t keep it off 80/85mph. Bill

I think the torture test they put it through is enough proof for me that it is one heck of an engine.

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=33286

I only have about 4k miles on mine but I did wait until some friends had 20-30k on theirs before I bought. I am getting 18.8-22.3 MPG highway with the average prob 20. Pulling my 20ft champ 250ProXS (heavy with all my stuff in it) I have gotten 13.7-15.1 MPG with average in that 14-14.5 range. A big improvement on mileage over the Hemi that I traded in.

These numbers are in a 4x4 crew cab automatic f150 and driving mainly posted speed limits.

It has more than enough power and pulls better than the Hemi. It gets more torque at lower RPMs than most gas motors in a 1/2 ton pickup. It really drives a lot like a diesel where you have that split second delay when you accelerate before the turbo kicks in and takes off.

Like I said I have minimum miles on mine but I am more than pleased with mine so far. Definitely an improvement in pulling and mileage over the Hemi I traded in. I never had a problem with the dodge/Hemi pulling either just transmission problems.

Aw now ur gonna hurt these dodge guys feelings ,,,Bill

Nah, if these eco's pan out they just might change the future in motors. I'm thinking hard about getting one, just gonna wait a little bit longer.

Now you've gone & done it. Monday morning the service drive will be full of them on a flatbed with rods hanging out!

I like the concept and could see a lot of motors going this way. I thought I heard somewhere Ford was going to make or is making a 4cyl ecoboost for suv and smaller pickup types. Don't hold me to that just what I heard.

As far as dodge I never had a problem pulling with that Hemi motor. Just had to put two transmissions in it before 100k miles. One under warranty and one out of my pocket.

Stump Jumper, we share the same Opinion of said "sell out" pitchman!


JR it sounds like you're getting the same thing I am hearing from our customers.

The "hotrod" nature of the truck is the deal, its a beast just driving it.

My boss isnt letting any of us have em yet for company trucks so I just stay out of them. If I cant drive one regularly I dont want to drive one at all.......yes I am pouting! lol

is it a V6? 5 or 6 speeds on the auto tranny? finally these engineers are getting it right and helping to get us fuel economy without sacrificing HP and torque!

yes twin turbo

i have a 4x4 with 3000 miles on it. I averaged 19.6 mpg from New Orleans back to Arlington yesterday. It has a lot of power. 15-20 mpg is what the sticker said.

I also had a dodge with the Cummins in it. I liked that but this truck drives much better and the Dodge transmission sucks! I got 17mpg in the Dodge. It was a beast though in 4wd.

The engineers are going to have to giddy up & go. I am curious as to what happens in 2015 - 2016. I hope we do not go back to the early 80s. I was not going to buy a new truck for about 4 more years but may have to with the new MPG standards that are headed our way.

V6 6 speed with a twin turbo...gets max torque at 2500 rpms instead of 4 or 5k like some other motors.

Also mine has the 355 rear end.

Another thing I have noticed it seems like everything on the ford sits up a little higher than my dodge and it is a little harder to see the trailer when backing without the boat on it.

The microsoft sync in these new vehicles is really nice with the iphone.

I could be wrong but the twin turbo design and v6 reminds me to a degree of a small diesel v-6 International was building called the vt275, maxxforce5 or 4.5L depending on year of build and what vehicle it was in. Anyone really know alot of the workings? Are the twin turbos a low pressure and high pressure design with one feeding into the other to allow turbo boost at all rpms?

I am fairly certain I will get one the end of the year if the rebates are right...

Here is the torque curve on 4 of the popular models...

Yes they do make a 4 cylinder Ecoboost. Its available in the Ford Explorer and the Ford Edge. I know because we have been looking at getting one of the new Explorers. The 2.0L Ecoboost puts out 240hp and 270 Torque. The only problem with it in the Explorer is that if you go with the 2.0L Ecoboost you are limited to the front wheel drive transmission only.

If you want the 4wd model you have to go with the 3.5L V6 (non-ecoboost). I wouldnt want to have to even tow a 2,000 lb load with a front wheel drive vehicle. So we will probably go for the 4WD model and the 3.5L V6 non-ecoboost motor.

Im also not really sure why they have not pushed this technology earlier. I really think the 2.0L and 3.5L ecoboosts are just the start of a whole new future of motors.
Its not like its really all that new of technology.

Diesel motor makers realized along time ago what kind of new power advances that could produce when they added a turbo to diesel motors.

Not really sure why ford came out with the 6.2L V8 for the Superduty trucks. A turbo charged V8 might be too much power for a 1/2 ton truck but surely a 5.0L V8 Ecoboost would out perform the 6.2L in a superduty.

Ford has just about taken towing out of the equation with Explorers anyway with IRS. Look at all the new ones on the road with hitches and you will notice they are Class 1. I have a 2004 Sport Trac that my son now drives and it is a decent little truck. It has a 2" hitch and solid rear axle. I would never buy a new one though.

Yeah i get what you are saying but i have seen quite a few with Class 2 hitches though. Especially the one i looked at in the automobile building at the state fair in dallas two weekends ago. I think the ones with the class 1 hitches are the base models that come with front wheel drive. The upgrade 4WD models have a towing package with a Class 2 hitch and a 5000 lb towing capacity.

I dont like the IRS either but all midsize SUV's are going that way. Hell, even the Ford Expeditions rear suspension looks different than the F150's. The Tahoes still have the same rear suspension as the Silverados though i think.

We would be just getting it to pull my boat every once in a while to the lake because we are looking to get a RV to pull behind my truck and we will need her to pull my light 16ft alumium bass boat to the lake 45 min down the road. That way i dont have to make two trips to the lake and back to take the RV and then go to get the boat.

My regular old 2004 Exolorer with a 4.0 V6 has a TON of miles on it pulling my heavy 18' Ranger and it gets great mileage and pulls the hell out of it!

Since Fords are now off my list I have not looked closely at them. I was thinking they might have a beefed up suspension with a heavier tow pkg.. WIth a 16' aluminum boat the lighter suspension would not be a concern.

Those engines are going to be more common in the following years with Chevy & Dodge to follow. I would still stay away from them for at least 3 yr models to see how they do. Staying away from them isn't anything against Ford, I would do that regardless of who makes them for the first few years.

I still think those engines will do fine.

The Explorer eco is only rated for 2k pounds and Ford even recommends not pulling with them at all. The V6 comes with a class 3 rating. (Found that on one of their websites.) I'm thinking about going with the eco, for the mileage and I pull trailers with my truck, not with the explorer. Ohhh what to do? I don't like taking risk but I like the look of the new explorer and the 20-28mpg sounds better than my wifes 20mpg with super unleaded (mercedes).

Well, I pulled the trigger and bought an ecoboost this weekend. The Ford rebates are pretty good right now on the XLT ecoboost models. I got $7000 off the sticker price. This thing is a BEAST. Haven't towed with it yet. Gonna wait till I put about 1,000 miles on it. I've only put about 200 miles on it so far and my overall MPG is at 17 and climbing steadily the more I drive it. Can't wait to see how this thing tows.

The problem why the disel tech. Hasent been converted to gassers is th fuel. Diesels have direct injection and turbo power. Up untill recenty, gas motors were throttle body injection, port injecton or carbed. turbos have been around fo a long time, first were used in avation motors. I'm not shure why its taken so long to geta directinjecton gas motor. But I would suspect that gas generaly has a lower resistance to combust under compression. So the amount of pressure needed to get the fuel (more fuel needed in a gas motor over a diesel) to get proper atomazation, might have caused knock (spontaneous combustion). But with the added turbulance of a turbo, it might have helped. An with the boost pressures from the turbo, they might have needed to lower the compression ratio. As for the twin turbo, I don't know; but I don't think that this motoe is a compund setup. I would think its a paralel set up, possably a sequential system.

Might look at the new 5.0 302 360 hp 380 fptq these r a hoss mine gets 12-15 around town and 20+ hwy this thing will run off and hide from a 5.4 probably chevy and dodge and toyota it pulls my 18ft trailer with a 3300lb 66fairlane with ease on the freeway i have to run with the cruise on cause it sure likes 80/85...Bill

When the window regulators break you will have 285 A/C.

might check the new heated tailgate option on the chevys, so your hands dont get cold pushing it off the road.

Unfortunately they all have some problems. What really ticks me is when they take something that works or is a proven design and change it and it fails. If we could blend all of the best qualities of the major manufacturers then we might have the ideal truck.

The only thing I can think of when I read this is, if they never changed anything then we wouldn't have the ecoboost. It may fail too? But we won't know if we never try.

It's called progress.

You guys are going to love the ECOBOOST. I got 23mpg going from Burleson to Port A and back. Very hard to keep it even close to the speed limit.

I sooooooooo need to win the Lotto!

Around town city/highway I am averaging 19.6 (hand calculated)

When they start I will keep my Toyota off the shoulders. Last thing I want to do is run in to a broke down Ford.

If and only if your Toyota isn't in the shop for another recall

Never has been in the shop for a repair or recall

You know, I have read several post where you keep crying about a problem you had with a Ford. Well get over it. You think your the only person that got a pos? Lets see, I had a (and these were all bought brand new) 98 Ford 4.6 that had 2 trannys in 36k miles, a 2000 Chevy that broke a crank at 54k, 2001 Chevy that was worthless at 120k and now a 05 Dodge cummins that has had about $2,500 bucks of junk fixed that was not under warranty (seals, gaskets, etc). They all break and all have pos built among them, even Toyota and their 15 mpg.

I would rather spend a little more money gas than tows and repairs. The cost is bad enough not to mention the inconvience. I am loyal to a brand until they start building carp which Ford did. Even worse than building carp is not standing behind it and having their dealers lie to you. You obviosly love Fords and I hate them. This could go on forever.

Funny how that carp truck your talking about is the #1 selling truck in the last how many years???? So is the majority dumb or are you just that smart to not buy a piece of carp?

Guys don't feed the troll. SJ lurks on this forum until someone says something about Ford. Doesn't have to be good or bad. You will get the sad story over and over about the bad truck he got and then his wife drove it etc. etc. I wonder by the way if GMC and Chevy trucks are counted as one brand or two. I am thinking two otherwise they might be the #1 truck sold by volume if combined.

Dont't know about the Chevy/GMC thing, but you would figure that they would try to contest it publicly if both badges combined outsold ford.....but they dont. Probably a reason for that.

my mom just got one and i have been in it a couple of times and it will probably be my next purchase if I dont go back to a 3qtr ton. Its a bad dude. My 2008 chevy z71 has 130k miles on it and needs a new motor. Cam and rocker and lifter wore out motor not sludged up at all just wore out. Spoke to someone w gm and apparently its a pretty common prob w that truck and motor. I like chev and not knocking them at all but they messed up on that motor.

I have watched all the videos and they look really impressive and i hope that these demonstrations are true and factual with no unfilmed maintance.

One think though gets me about Ford's claims of max towing cap. Although its not just Ford, the other brands are in the same max towing cap race with max towing numbers that just dont make since.

11,300lbs max towing for a F150 or any half ton is rediculous, misleading and unsafe.

Anytime you are towing a trailer the trailer tongue weight comes into play. A good number to go by is 15%. Typically a trailer tongue weight will be 15% of the total trailer and load weight.

I just built a F150 online and it states that the XLT Supercrew 4x4 F150 that i built with the 3.5L V6 Ecoboost has a payload cap of 1890 lbs and a max towing cap of 11,300 lbs.

15% of a 11,300 lbs load is 1695 lbs.
1890 lbs is the max payload cap but that is not measured at the hitch, that is measured over the axle in the center of the bed of the truck. So the max payload cap of the same truck will be some what lower at the hitch than it will be at the rated 1890 lbs. because of physics.

So even though this truck probably wouldnt hold the max payload of 1890 lbs on the hitch, lets say it would for example.
If you are towing 11,300 lbs you have a tongue weight of 1695 lbs. That would mean that the weight of the person driving and all other equipment in the truck could not exceed 195 lbs. Most grown men pulling this load would be over the trucks max numbers.

It just seems dumb to me that they would put max tow ratings like that. Basically the payload of this truck is way to light to be towing what they say it can tow.
Realistically this trucks max towing cap should be under 9000 lbs for its payload numbers.

15% of a 9000 lbs towing load is a 1350 lbs tongue weight and with a max payload of 1890 lbs, this gives a 540 lbs buffer for two people over 200 lbs to ride in the truck or for other equipment in the truck.

My current truck (06 F150 with 4.6L V8) has a max towing cap of 6300 lbs. I have pulled very close to that max before and it was not fun nor did it feel safe as far as the weight goes on my suspension.

I know the knew motors like the Ecoboost might pull that 6300lbs load with more power than my trucks engine but the suspension of mine and the newer ones isnt that much different and they only have 200 lbs more payload than mine does. So i know the feel of the load back there will feel about the same.

To pull close to the weights that these 1/2 ton manufacturors are stating their trucks will pull, you really need a 3/4 ton truck.
Doesnt it surprise you that the max towing cap of a gas powered F250 is only about 1500 lbs more than some of the F150?
I would rather pull 9000 lbs anyday in a 3/4 over a 1/2 ton.

I think alot of it depends with how you set up the truck and trailer.

I dont agree with the 15% toungue weight argument, you just need weight distributed enough so the trailer doesnt wag like a dog tale. Also its not just ford that only alots 150-200 lbs for a driver, they all do it like that, practical no but theoreticaly not wrong.

I completely agree that a truck rated to pull 11-12K is no longer a 1/2 ton truck.

I pulled a trencher and 20' flatbed that weighed in a little over 11,000 lbs with a 1994 1/2 ton chevy with a 350 v8 3.42 rear end and a 4 speed. It didnt do it like it wasnt back there, but it did 65 on the hiway in 3rd. I didnt notice any problems with suspension, and this is on a pickup with a max tow capacity of around 6-6500 lbs and not much more than 1000 lbs of payload probably. They make the numbers say what they want.

Every person I have talked to that has an ecoboost has been very happy, and impressed with power and economy. My chevy 5.3 does all I need it to in style, but I wish the ecoboost was a couple years older and I would have probably bought my first blue oval.

matt

I'm pretty sure Ford has tested every scenario on this truck in order to certify it and say that it can tow what it can tow. R&D in a company as big as Ford doesn't sit around and not think about these things. Imagine if they had a whole bunch of failures and accidents and the investigation lead to Ford over rating there vehicles. They already screwed up with the tires and suv's back in the 90s, I doubt they are going to have a repeat of that again. If they say it can do what it can do and it can't.....well they are in alot of trouble. 11,300lbs is alot of weight, but a 1/2 ton truck of today is nothing compared to the 1/2 truck 10 years ago.

Please be sure to read the fine print details on "Max Tow Capacity", this is usually based on a 5th wheel setup, not a hitch pull weight.
The hitch pull weight is also dependent on if it uses a load-balancing hitch, or a straight pull hitch. Each step lowers that "max" rating.
As pointed out, all tow ratings are also based on supplementary GVWR ratings. You can pull 11xxx pounds if you don't exceed the GVWR, which as mentioned, includes passengers, options, cargo, etc.
Bottom line, they publish accurate, not misleading, numbers, based on "as designed and calculated" usage. If you don't calculate things properly, that's on the user, not on Ford. User your head wisely on such things, Don't pull 8k on a straight hitch, use LD, or 5th wheel, anything over 10k, use 5th wheel, etc.
Remember, just adding a "tow package" after the sale might add 300# to the base weight (beefier suspension, coolers, the actual hitch hardware, etc), reducing the amount you can tow/load.
These are also based on "brake-controller" braking, not deadweight, for stopping, if you are pulling 10k without a functioning brake controller, you are not only foolish, but illegal (anything towed over 6500k I believe in Texas must have a brake controller). I guarantee a lot of landscape vehicles (from personal industry experience) break this law constantly, but it's rarely enforced. My prior employer broke 2 gooseneck trailers just from basic overloading (those were 20k rated trailers from the big name brand around town), and pulled these with F250s with no brake controllers. Remember that next time you change lanes quickly in front of one of them.

I wonder about CWCW's 15% tongue weight. I thought the target for most trailers is 10%. I still agree with what he said though. Any time then the trailer starts to exceed the vehicle weight by almost double you are asking for trouble. Ford probably used a fifth hook up when they tested it with 11,300 lbs. I do not think there is a hitch rated that high. The biggest problem I see with towing capacities is people think just because the engine has the power than it can pull it. Some just do not think about suspension, payload, and other drivetrains components. One other thing is just because Ford is a big company and has an R&D dept. does not mean squat to me. R&D depts. carp up every day and sales rule the roost.

People buy a truck based on what it can do and how well it can do it. How do they know what it can do without any R&D along with testing? R&D along with testing is what produces all vehicles. To say that R&D doesn't mean squat is to say you put alot of blind faith into a vehicle and you just buy it without researching it. All of those things you research about a vehicle are directly connected to R&D. By the way Ford isn't saying the engine can tow 11,300lbs.....they say the TRUCK can tow 11,300lbs. I'm pretty sure that includes suspension, and other drive train components too. It's common sense to tow it properly (fifth wheel, proper braking, load equalizing, GVWR), but the point is it can do it safely or they wouldn't say it could......they don't need any huge lawsuits in an economy like this. Oh yeah, Ford sales do rule the roost...for the last couple of decades. There's a reason for that.

I thought it was widely known that max tow capacity was over the back axle as in fifth wheel or gooseneck style with bumper pull being lower. I will have to check the ads and see if that is still how it is advertised or not.

http://www.edmunds.com/how-to/how-to-tow-a-trailer.html

http://www.your-rv-lifestyle.com/vehicle-weight.html

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648pt12.htm

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts...ion-systems.htm

Here are just a few websites that state the hitch weight will and should be anywhere from 10-15% of the weight of the trailer when loaded properly.

Sure, you can load the trailer so that you have less that 10% of the trailer weight on the hitch, but you create problems with trailer sway if the hitch weight is too light, just like you cause problems when you have too much hitch weight. Remember, the weight of your truck is what ultimately contols the weight of the loaded trailer behind you. If you dont have enough weight on that hitch when towing a load, the weight of the truck doesnt control the trailer as well and if it is too light, that heavy 11,300 lbs load you are pulling could push the rear end of your truck right off the road on a sharp turn because of weight lacking at the hitch because you wanted to pull close to the max towing cap so you skimped on the weight at the hitch to not bottom out the suspension.

Remember, your full size four door 1/2 ton truck weighs around 5500 lbs. If you are towing a load twice that weight, which manufacturers say you can do, and dont have a proper percentage of weight on the hitch, you better believe that trailer would push the rear end of your truck off the road in a sharp turn even a very slow speeds.

Thats why i say the 1/2 ton payload numbers are too small for the max towing numbers they place on them. In a 3/4 ton truck, you can put more of that 10,000 lb load on the hitch because of a higher payload capacity on a 3/4 ton truck. More allowable weight on the hitch in a 3/4 ton truck means more control over the load. 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks dont handle heavier loads better because the trucks weigh more its because you can have a higher allowable hitch weight which utilizes the weight of the truck to handle the load.

I just compared theh weight of a 1/2 ton 4 door truck with a 3/4 ton 4 door truck and the total truck weight difference was around 500-600 lbs. Thats nothing. Its the increase in payload cap that allows the higher payloads.

Well if that was true then the F150 wouldnt be able to tow 11,300 lbs on a fifth wheel or gooseneck attachment because of payload being to light. If you read articles like i posted above, most say your fifth wheel weight will be about 20% of the total weight of the trailer load. 20% of 11,300 lbs is 2260 lbs. Thats 400 lbs over the 1890 max payload. So that couldnt even work

Do you not see what im saying here? I understand that a 1/2 ton today is better than the 1/2 tons 20 years ago but 90% of that is due to the motors and transmissions. Not alot has been done in changes to payload to be able to double the max towing cap of the years like they have.

The only way to safely increase the towing capacity in a 1/2 ton truck like that is to increase the payload to more than they have it at now.

Here is another example
My truck= 2006 F150 XLT 4.6L V8 2wd
My max towing capacity is 6300 lbs and my max payload is around 1600 lbs

If i pulled my max towing capacity at 6300 lbs with a 15% tongue weight i would have 945 lbs on the hitch. Thats safely within my payload numbers and i still have a controlable amount of weight on my hitch to allow my truck to support the load being towed.

Even the 2006 F150's with the 5.4L's that have a max towing cap at 8000 lbs. and same payload as mine. The max towing cap is a little higher than mine but thats because of the bigger motor.
If you pulled a 8000 lbs max load with this truck your hitch weight would be 1200 lbs with a 15% tongue weight. Thats still safely under the 1600 lb max payload capacity of the truck.

It just seems like they are so busy seeing how much they can run the max towing numbers up that they dont stop to think if it is practical in everyday use. Am i the only one that thinks this is dumb and in many ways, not practical.

I would like to see a F150 with 11,000 lbs behind it stop in the rain or going downhill.

Have you happened to look at the size of the 4 wheel disc brakes on one of these trucks??? I'm guessing not. Once again I will state: They would not say it can tow 11,000+ lbs (properly) if it was as risky as you are making it sound.....it's probably unsafe on a 2 front disc 2 rear drum chevy with a 4 speed tranny etc, etc , but not on this truck padna....get over your Ford whaa whaa issues and just admit who the #1 truck seller is in the past few decades.

Stupid comment! Even with my Dodge diesel that would not happen with no trailer brakes and my truck weighs quite a bit more.


Let me guess, your Tundra could do it?

So 15% of the 11,300 is around 1695 and that is within the payload of an ecoboost...What is the problem?

They are all haters because their trucks have no chance of doing what the ecoboost can, and has been proven able to do.

This is getting good.

I have 2200 miles on mine 11 f150 4wd ecoboost and was driving a 5.9 cummings to me the ecoboost pulls better, i am pulling a 20' ranger and the ecoboost doesnt even know its there. My opinion so far is awsome truck, and know a little bit about the subject since i own a landscape co that pulls trailers daily with heavy loads.

That Cummins must have been wore slap out or broke.

If you would have read my novel of a post above you would know why, haha!
Its not that its not possible. I think alot of people on here are thinking that i dont believe that this truck can handle that amount of towing. Im sure it can because im know Ford has tested it. However, i would never feel safe in a 1/2 ton with that much weight behind me. Thats my point. You have to realize that there are alot of stupid people out there that will see this max towing number of 11,300 lbs and think this is a great truck to tow that weight with day in and day out.

I understand that if Ford says the truck can do it, i believe them and im sure it can do it. I never argued that the truck cant pull 11,300 lbs.

My arguement was not towards the Ecoboost motor in particular or any other motor for that matter, Chevy has max towing numbers for its 1/2 ton over 10,000 lbs also that i think are too steep also.

The size of the brakes arguement has no bearing if you are not loaded right with the correct amount of weight on the hitch. You can lock the brakes up all day long, but if you dont have enough weight ont the hitch, your trucks gonna get pushed around.

You guys are really missing the point of my arguement. My arguement is about the amount of payload this truck has in association with the max towing capacity.

If the 1/2 tons with the max towing capacities over 9,000 lbs had payloads capacities around 2300 lbs, it would make better since, thats all im saying.


Over the years the max towing number competition has skyrocketed between manufacturers. I dont believe the payload numbers have gone up enough to match the towing capacity numbers to make the max towing capacity number practical.

This may better help you understand what im talking about
From Fords website
2011 F250 Supercrew 6.2L V8
Max towing capacity= 11,900 lbs
Payload capacity= 3,290

If you pull that max towing load of 11,900 lbs with a 15% tongue weight, you will have 1785 lbs on the rear of the truck.
3290-1785= 1505 lbs away from max payload
You could tow the max towing cap without maxing out the payload on this truck.

Towing the max towing capacity with the 1/2 tons with max towing over 10,000 leave you with barely enough available payload left for a 200 lbs man to drive the truck, much less any one else or anything else in the truck.

Understand??? They are spliting hairs with some of these max towing numbers to have the upper hand in sales. Too much max tow cap for available payload cap.

Hey you cant fix stupid. Some folks will be towing 15,000 im sure.

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/stories/saetowing/page1.html

Ford Chevy Toyota all use 10% not 15%. That's where they get there max numbers, and they do test them.

+1. Thanks,but no thanks,on new tech,twin turbos,stuffing a smaller engine. Just gimmee the 5.0.

Guess an old straight 6 from the 80s would be fine? Lol

Gotta remember max towing rating is interpretable. I used to tow 25,000 lbs day in and day out via a goosneck trailer with a Dodge 3500, and although they have some impressive tow ratings when mated with a cummins , they darn sure dont advertise 25,000 lb tow ratings!





That second picture was taken in your neck of the woods JR

Sure,man. An inline 6 is in perfect primary and secondary balance without a balance shaft. That's why BMW and some Trucks are inline 6's. The simple answer is usually the best answer.

yea but most of the weight is over the tires on the trailer, so really you have what the trailer weight is and the two cars at the front. so your not really putting 25k over the axle.

Well what about when I would have a a full size truck or a suburban above the bed? I am pretty sure that even as a dually its not rated to carry 6,000 lbs over the axles.

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Hey you cant fix stupid. Some folks will be towing 15,000 im sure. [/quote]

There are a lot of them out there. I saw a rash of overloaded trailers with blown tires and busted axles for a while 2 years ago. Whenever I see someone towing improperly (trailer at 20 degree angle) it makes me want to pull up next to them and shake my index finger. Improper towing and maint are a big cause behinds all the wrecks these days. I knew a guy once that got in a wreck on LBJ and the boat ended up in his bed. Cop cited him for either no or non-working trailer brakes. No telling our long this one dudes stupidity clogged the hiway.

Follow the ratings!

Take your truck hook up the trailer with 10-15% of total trailer weight as tongue weight. Do not exceept GCWR with trailer payload and pasengers. Use electric brakes, and drive acordingly and you will be fine.

I wouldnt recomend towing 10k lbs with an ecoboost or any other half ton truck on a regular basis. It will ware on the vehicle but if you stay withing the limits and drive accordingly it should be safe.

matt

i started this post a while back. i did buy the ecoboost about 6 weeks ago. it gets between 21 and 22 with cruise on at about 73mph on the highway. pulling a Z9 it gets around 13 with cruise on about 70. it has only downshifted from 6th one time on a hill pulling boat. so far pretty sweet. time will tell.

Just came back from a long road trip (first one) with my new ecoboost. I have 3200 miles on it now. On my trip my overall computer calculated mileage was 23.8, hand calculated, 23.2. This was done with the cruise set at 70 on the dot whenever possible. I LOVE THIS TRUCK 23mpg highway!! (2011 supercrew 2wd 3.5l v6 twin turbo). On the way there we were bucking against a cold front (got 21mpg) on the way home we were being pushed by about a 5-10mph breeze (25mpg). We were loaded with myself, my wife, my dog, and all of our christmas presents and luggage.

The biggest limiting factor on 1/2 tons is payload. Will the truck pull 11,000+ lbs? Absolutely. Can it handle the associated payload? I doubt it. A 10,000 lb boat is one thing. A 10,000 lb 5th wheel is something else altogether. Most current model 5th wheels of 10,000 are going to have a pin weight of 20% or more, especially when loaded.

Then you have the tire issue. Most 1/2 ton pickups come equipped with "P" rated tires. Basically they're big black marshmellows with no sidewall support and max PSI at 44 lbs.

If you want to pull 10,000+ lbs with a 1/2 ton be my guest. I tried it and in the real world it just wasn't practical. At times it was dangerous. Never again.

For real world towing of a modern RV and a 1/2 ton truck, I'd limit it to about 7000-7500 lbs max.

Case in point, my last travel trailer was 28' and total weight loaded was 7250 lbs. Tongue weight was 1050 lbs. with weight distibution hitch. Add my fishing gear, ice chests, passengers, fuel and other cargo and I was over my rated payload. That truck was a handful in a crosswind or dealing with wind blast from an 18 wheeler.

I traded that truck for my current 3/4 ton and it's night and day difference.

Trailer set, floor plan, etc. will play a factor.

Also understand that the truck's payload and towing ratings are normally based on a base model, reg. cab, 2wd vehicle with a 180 lb driver and minimal fuel in the tank.

Add crew cab, 4 wd, full tank of gas, family of 4, etc and you reduce the tow rating and payload cap. pound for pound.

Trailers empty weight ratings are stripped models. Add fresh water, waste water, supplies, propane, batteries, etc. and you'll quickly be 25% over the empty curb weight rating.

Does payload, like what you can put into the bed of the truck include the weight of pasengers etc?

I put 2500 lbs of bagged feed + 2 ice chests + mini fridge + 4 people averaging 200 lbs each + a dog in a 1/2 ton crew cab z71 chevy and drove 200 + miles with it all was great truck got 17+ miles per gallon.

For the first time last weekend I pulled a 28' bumper pull TT with the same truck. It did great handled the weight fine without the weight distribution.

I used to own a 1-ton diesel. I loved it, it was my dream truck, but I also had a use for it we pulled a 35' 5th wheel trailer with tractor shredder and disk on it 400 miles round trip about once a month. Now tractor stays put in a building... sold the truck. The vast majority of people owning a 3/4 and 1 ton diesel or gas pickups dont have much need for one, not sayin all but alot. I work with a couple people driving 3/4 ton diesels that have never mounted a ball on them.

matt

Payload is any weight added above the base curb weight of the truck. This includes accessories, fluids, passengers and cargo.

Say you have a truck with a payload rating of 1800 lbs.
4 passengers at 200 lbs each. Subtract 800 from available payload
100 lb filled ice chest
guns (50 lbs)
Corn (300 lbs)

That's 1250 lbs.

Now you want to add a trailer to that with a tongue weight of 1000 lbs? That's a total payload of 2250 lbs.

That's nothing for a 3/4 ton but a 1/2 ton isn't going to perform well with that kind of weight.

I guess I dont have any reservations about putting 2250 in the bed of a full size half ton, not sure what it is rated at tho..

I wouldn't worry about it none. You might score the bearings in the rearend but that's not a big deal.