anyone interested in a source closer to dallas for ethanol free gas, in tioga on 377 pm me. i have an email address. maybe we can talk him into changing over.

Any idea why it is so hard to find ethanol free fuel in Texas? Kind of curious because we thankfully have that option here in OK about anywhere. Here in town probably 1/3 of the stations are ethanol free. Ethanol laced fuel is such a disastrous scam.

Amen Bro.!

The products that the refineries produce are the key.
There was a station in Flint, Tx who sold 100%. Got
it from a small refinery in Waskom, Tx. Refinery stopped.
Now 10% E is all we can buy in this area.

Texas stations unlike those in Oklahoma and other states, have no say so forOpting out of ethanol distribution as it is mandated by texas by region..

If someone transported and distributed non - ethanol mixed gas into a Texas stations storage tanks in a mandated ethanol blended region, it would be breaking the law. It is not federal epa, but a Texas state agency that determines the regions and dates they must switch to 10 % ethanol blend. Texas as have all states has been on a timetable for the last several years for converting slowly over to ethanol blended fuels. Other states too like Texas must also meet increasing federal requirements for ethanol, but they are not using a region by region implementation.

Most diesel is ethanol free. I did notice that the Walmart in Lewisville has started selling diesel but it contains 5% "biofuel" - no thanks, Walmart.

when the local brookshires store changed to the ethanol mix a few years ago, i asked why. their answer was in one word:

PROFIT

the ethanol mix is subsidized by taxpayers so it's wholesale price is lower than pure gasoline.

most folks don't pay attention to their mpg. others don't seem to care the ethanol mix gives ~10% less mpg.

around the lake bob sandlin area and mt pleasant there are a few gas stations that sell 100% pure regular gasoline.

I moved here from Alaska a little over a year ago and both of my vehicles literally dropped 2-3 mpg on average with the 10% Ethanol fuel down here. They do not have any Ethanol gas in interior Alaska but gas is about a $1 more a gallon than here so its really a wash! If only we could roll time back to Aug 2001 when diesel was less than a dollar a galllon and gas was right at a dollar, damn Osama!

It sounds to me like no one really knows why we have no accesss to ethanol-free gas. I would really like to know.

If it is a mandate of "SOME STATE OF TEXAS AGENCY", someone name the agency. The only one I know of with the power to do this is the TCEQ, as they control air quality. But, I haven't seen their fingerprints on this.

I can see Obama mandating this, but I can find no proof he is involved. I'm sure he would like to do it as part of his green initiative.

There has to be some data availabale somewhere on the why of this problem.

I don't like gasahol.......

Federal Law:

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (H.R. 6) was signed into law by President Bush on August 8, 2005, the first major piece of federal energy legislation since the Energy Policy Act of 1992.

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Federal Law:

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 (H.R. 6) was signed into law by President Bush on August 8, 2005, the first major piece of federal energy legislation since the Energy Policy Act of 1992. [/quote]

Yep, Obama's fault. Another one of his pre-emptive strilkes, no doubt.

Thanks, ChuChu. You're exactly right, the mandate was included in the Energy Act of 2005.



It looks like we can blame Bush, Cheney, and Obama (he voted for it). Now it will take an act of Congress to get out of it. Not likely as we would have to fight the corn/ethanol lobby. Note that that lobby will be getting something like $18Bil in subsidies per year.

The Energy Act of 1992 mandated population centers use a lower vapor pressure fuel during the summer. If a city that was not considered in a population area failed to get their paperwork in on time, they too had to use the lower vapor pressure gasoline. At that time, the company I worked for was pipelining two grades of regular unleaded, two grades of mid grade and two grades of premium from Corpus Christi during the summer, one one grade in the winter. Victoria was exempt while San Antonio was not exempt.

Actually we can blame the ethanol lobby and the farmers associations. They got the tax abatement for ethanol.

This why Iowa should not have the first primary. Name one presidential candidate that won Iowa saying he would eliminate the corn subsdidy, if elected.

Great point Fishin Nut

Politicians and EPA. Average american is subsidizing this, suffering lost fule mileage and costly repairs to vechicals, 2 stroke engines and more.

Just for the record, we here in IOWA can still buy ethonal free gas, costs ten cents a gallon more than 10% ethonal.

It must be a Texas problem

Go Hawks

Oh, you can still buy ethanol free gas in Texas, in fact there are 98 ethanol free stations in Texas and only 42 in Iowa. The issue is tax credits for selling ethanol. The profit margin is higher for ethanol gas than it is for ethanol free gas.

It all depends on the county you are in. If you are adjoining to Dallas or Tarrant counties. I don't think they can sell it.

Right. Can still get it in smaller counties. Palo Pinto etc........wish I could just purchase a 300 gal gravity fed tank and just have some delivered.

Here is a site that shows you where to get 100% gas. Not sure how accurate it is.

http://pure-gas.org/

There is a good read in the new Bassmaster mag about outboards and ethanol. It's primarily aimed at E-15, but still a good read.

I had a 10 micron fuel filter installed,have to change 1 per yr,stops all trouble.

Areas above a certain ozone level had to put a oxygenate in their gasoline for the higher temperature months of the year about April to October if I reall properly. DFW is one of those ozone emmission non-attainment zones, most major cities are in similar zones. Rural areas will not have the same requirements. The original EPA condoned oygenate was MTBE, and gasoline stations with single wall tanks leaked MTBE into nearby water supplies. The MTBE could be tasted and smelled in that water.

EPA changed it's mind so now their approved oxygenate is Ethanol. The original thought was also that we burn the fuel we could make within the US. In classic government unexpected consequences we increased the cost(value) of corn and all things (food and elsewise) corn fed into. Some contend it takes more energy to make fuel ethanol than it's worth to the burner.

less fuel economy when its in the mix, but without it the gasoline engine makes more ozone and NOX. This has been inplace since about 1994 but despite this if you top the Clark Road entrance to Rte 408 from the south side in the morning light you can see the brown NOX haze above the Trinity valley. Some has to be from the DFW and LUV jet take offs.

Think we can talk the airlines into using ethanol in their JP5?

For what it's worth.....

There may not have been a party in Times Square to celebrate, but two of the most wasteful subsidies ever to clutter the Internal Revenue Code went out with the old year.

Congress declined to renew either the 45-cent-per-gallon tax credit for corn-based ethanol or the 54-cent-per-gallon tariff on imported ethanol, so both expired Dec. 31.

Taxpayers will no longer have shell out roughly $6 billion per year for a program that badly distorted the global grain market, artificially raised the cost of agricultural land and did almost nothing to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

A federal law requiring the use of 36 billion gallons of ethanol for fuel by 2022 still props up the industry, but the tax credit's expiration is a victory for common sense just the same.

Meanwhile, a lesser-known but equally dubious energy tax break also expired when the year ended Saturday: the credit that gave electric-car owners up to $1,000 to defray the cost of installing a 220-volt charging device in their homes — or up to $30,000 to install one in a commercial location.

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http://pure-gas.org/
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Thanks it will be very useful when we go on a long road trip this summer. My car is an srt4 caliber [the hot rod 4 cylinder model with the stage one computer in it} This car truly hates ethanol. Gas mileage noticeably drops and it gets very grumpy around town. My manual says do not use E85 or serious damage to the motor could result. By the way just like whiskey has water dissolved in it, there is always some water in our gasoline, if you put ethanol in you create a problem. When the car, truck, or boat sits in storage for some time, the ethanol will attract the water in the fuel the mixture will sink to the bottom of the tank. Eventually a puddle will form there and two things can potentially occur. One, when you restart the computer senses a change in the gas mixture and tries to compensate, however this does not work very well. Then, the longer it sits, the more likely you will get bacterial fermentation and a production of organic acids in the ethanol/water mixture. Well, guess what that will do to the parts over time. Well, anyway, thanks for the list.