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#5842485 - 02/13/11 07:40 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
What's "expanded shale" ?


I picked up a Ellis County Master Gardener Calender at a local rock place and started to read it. It say you should add expanded shale and compost. I looked it up and it help if your soil sticks to itself like my mud sticky soil. It's like cut up rock that let's the plant roots get more air and get bigger and better plants.
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#5842622 - 02/13/11 08:43 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
What's "expanded shale" ?
Well, it's the opposite of contracted shale. grin











It's something you can add to the soil to help maintain air in the soil. Say you have a flood or a massive brain belch and forget to shut off the water, expanded shale will still maintain an air pocket of 30% that the plants' roots can draw needed air to keep from drowning...It's similar to vermiculite, except it starts off like rounded rock and keeps it's smooth round appearance, but it expands...
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#5843991 - 02/13/11 04:33 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Siberman
What's "expanded shale" ?
Well, it's the opposite of contracted shale. grin



Thanks, smart a$$.;)


It's something you can add to the soil to help maintain air in the soil. Say you have a flood or a massive brain belch and forget to shut off the water, expanded shale will still maintain an air pocket of 30% that the plants' roots can draw needed air to keep from drowning...It's similar to vermiculite, except it starts off like rounded rock and keeps it's smooth round appearance, but it expands...


Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?
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#5844024 - 02/13/11 04:46 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Siberman
What's "expanded shale" ?
Well, it's the opposite of contracted shale. grin



Thanks, smart a$$.;)


It's something you can add to the soil to help maintain air in the soil. Say you have a flood or a massive brain belch and forget to shut off the water, expanded shale will still maintain an air pocket of 30% that the plants' roots can draw needed air to keep from drowning...It's similar to vermiculite, except it starts off like rounded rock and keeps it's smooth round appearance, but it expands...


Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?
Not really. I've lost a couple of gardens in the past to heavy floods. Although sand can help with draining, sometimes, there's just too much water. I remember getting over 10 inches of rain in a matter of hours in 2005. I had to replant that garden and I was not happy...bang
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#5844051 - 02/13/11 04:56 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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I'm trying container gardening this year. I built a small plywood deck in a corner of the back yard that gets sun all day and loaded it up with the biggest pots I could find ( whiskey barrel liners, rubbermaid containers , large planters , etc.) , filled them with Stay-Green and Miracle-Gro mixes for veggies and planted onions, spinach , lettuce , icicle radishes and turnip greens today. We'll see how it goes.

I plan on growing all my chilis in containers since I like the shorter varieties such as habs and thais and it's a lot easier to keep the weeds / fire ants out when they're potted.

The main garden will be dedicated to squash , corn , tomatoes and maybe some purple hulls or black-eyes this summer. I'm hoping the asparagus really takes off as I buried several fish carcasses around it this last year.

I always leave a few watermelons and cucumbers on the fence so they've been pretty good about re-seeding themselves for the past couple of years. Hoping the cantalopes will "volunteer" as well. thumb
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#5844147 - 02/13/11 05:30 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Ist time gardener, what do i plant and when,, small 4x 10' double 4x4 area.

But i do have good soil,, it is in a built up area pm me please

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#5845496 - 02/13/11 10:12 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: jbassman]
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#5848706 - 02/14/11 05:51 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: jbassman]
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Originally Posted By: jbassman
Ist time gardener, what do i plant and when,, small 4x 10' double 4x4 area.

But i do have good soil,, it is in a built up area pm me please


You're describing a raised bed 4' x 8' x 8" high, right ? I've yet to do raised beds but my understanding is that you can really pack the plants in there as long as they don't shade each other and you supply plenty of water and fertilizer.

I plant onions and greens in anything but blizzard conditions. I generally wait until after Easter to plant the tender veggies like corn, tomatoes, peppers, squash, etc. but Easter is April 24th this year so I'll probably move that up a couple of weeks .

I direct-seed melons and okra around the first of May.
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#5858197 - 02/16/11 09:34 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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I have a huge problem with Johnson grass in my garden area. What do y'all suggest for control of this invasive species? Is there any pre-emergent that can be applied to aid in the prevention of Johnson grass?

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#5858264 - 02/16/11 09:53 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Play Maker]
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Try here, just might have to spray the grass killer through out the season. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_an_effective_all_natural_weed_and_grass_killer
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#5862161 - 02/17/11 08:09 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Play Maker]
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Originally Posted By: Tex-Star Wildlife
I have a huge problem with Johnson grass in my garden area. What do y'all suggest for control of this invasive species? Is there any pre-emergent that can be applied to aid in the prevention of Johnson grass?


I've never used pre-emergents in a vegetable garden but I was a fan of Round Up *tm until I did some heavy reading on it this past summer. You could always cover the plot with clear plastic and let the sun kill everything (including weed seeds/ roots , beneficial bacteria and nematodes , etc. ) in the soil but sterile earth isn't the best way to grow food (IMO).
Try a spray bottle full of 5 % white vinegar. The warmer and drier it is , the better it works (and there's no residual toxins in your garden).
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#5862313 - 02/17/11 08:46 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Don't use salt unless you don't want anything to grow in that area. It will stay in the ground or move around by watering.
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#5870481 - 02/20/11 02:51 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Planted blue taters and patio tomatoes today. thumb
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#5886279 - 02/24/11 11:59 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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So I planted a bunch of seeds in one of those Jiffy greenhouse trays you can get from wal-mart. Things have sprouted. When do I take them from the green house and put them in a pot in the sun in the house?

So far my cucumbers and cherry maters have come up with about 1" stems.
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#5892076 - 02/25/11 08:00 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: txfour]
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You should prop up the clear plastic top until the rest sprout then transplant.

Wasn't this thread a sticky last year?

Here's what I got so far.

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#5896902 - 02/27/11 03:33 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: txfour]
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I'd wait until they all had their first set of true leaves.
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#5896905 - 02/27/11 03:34 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: PayneTHF]
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Nice set up there, hoss. cheers What kinda lights are you using ?
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#5922408 - 03/05/11 07:54 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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#5939893 - 03/10/11 08:52 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Lowe's has several varieties of peppers now. I bought serranos, habaneros and cubanelles today. They carry a "mexibell" that's a small hot bell pepper. Really good stuffed.

The "greens" garden (in containers) is doing really well. I'm eating fresh turnip greens , lettuce and spinach . The onions are about 8" high and the potatoes are starting to break the surface. Freakin' rabbits haven't figured out how to get up in the containers so this may become an annual practice.
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Hope everybody covered all their stuff up tonight. Looks like we may get a freeze.
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#5939915 - 03/10/11 08:54 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Cubanelles are my favorite pepper. Sucks I didn't get many last year. I'm trying to start some of them from seeds, but of all the peppers I've tried, those are the most stubborn about sprouting.
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#5939970 - 03/10/11 09:07 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: JDavis7873®]
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Cubanelles are my favorite pepper. Sucks I didn't get many last year. I'm trying to start some of them from seeds, but of all the peppers I've tried, those are the most stubborn about sprouting.


Try jolakias. wink
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#5939980 - 03/10/11 09:09 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman

Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?


I am expanding the garden this year, and needed something to break up this clay soil I have. I was at Ace Hardware the other day, and saw expanded shale in bags for sale, these bags were about the size of two loaves of bread, and they were over $6.00 apiece!! eeks

I went to Living Earth in Lancaster, and asked the guy about sand to improve the drainage in clay soil, and he had a mixture that looks to be about 50/50 expanded shale/compost, for $50 a yard. That sounded a lot better to me. Yes, they will sell it in half yards, which makes it easier on my Dodge Dakota. (I think you actually get more than a yard when you buy it by the half yard, I think the bucket they used was 1 yard, and it was well over half full each time they loaded my truck.)
The info he has on it was written by a guy at the Dallas Arboretum, and recommends about a 4" depth of this mixture tilled into the clay. Ask me at the end of the year how it worked out, I just finished tilling it in.
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#5940069 - 03/10/11 09:26 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Henry Hefner]
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I also put compost and expanded shale in my garden this year. It changed the feel of the soil right away after tilled.


Originally Posted By: Henry Hefner
Originally Posted By: Siberman

Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?


I am expanding the garden this year, and needed something to break up this clay soil I have. I was at Ace Hardware the other day, and saw expanded shale in bags for sale, these bags were about the size of two loaves of bread, and they were over $6.00 apiece!! eeks

I went to Living Earth in Lancaster, and asked the guy about sand to improve the drainage in clay soil, and he had a mixture that looks to be about 50/50 expanded shale/compost, for $50 a yard. That sounded a lot better to me. Yes, they will sell it in half yards, which makes it easier on my Dodge Dakota. (I think you actually get more than a yard when you buy it by the half yard, I think the bucket they used was 1 yard, and it was well over half full each time they loaded my truck.)
The info he has on it was written by a guy at the Dallas Arboretum, and recommends about a 4" depth of this mixture tilled into the clay. Ask me at the end of the year how it worked out, I just finished tilling it in.
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#5940361 - 03/10/11 10:27 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Gonzz]
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Anybody ever used any of the Topsy Turvy carp? My kid has been bugging me the last few years to get one and the HEB in Burleson had Topsy Turvy Hot Pepper Planters clearanced out at $2 so I bought a couple. I am going to try putting some sugar snap peas in them for him.
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#5940525 - 03/10/11 11:36 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: imgonefishing]
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Anybody ever used any of the Topsy Turvy carp? My kid has been bugging me the last few years to get one and the HEB in Burleson had Topsy Turvy Hot Pepper Planters clearanced out at $2 so I bought a couple. I am going to try putting some sugar snap peas in them for him.


I never had much luck with the ones that had the single hole on the bottom but I tried the one made for peppers last year. I planted a six-pack of habs in the sides and they didn't do well at all but the cucumbers I planted in the top did really well. It might be due to location but I'm betting that you'd probably do better with a large planter .
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