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#5279756 - 09/07/10 02:41 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: BrianTx01]
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Registered: 10/26/05
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all were off the web by searching the issue.

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#5280609 - 09/07/10 05:02 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: Jimbo100]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo100
Symptoms of lead poisoning in birds
A Canada Goose huddles at the lake’s edge. It is weak and listless and has been eating poorly for days. Its wings droop when it attempts to walk, it is uncoordinated, and it cannot fly. It suffers from vomiting and watery diarrhea. As time passes, the goose grows progressively weaker until it cannot move.


I felt like the goose once and was afraid it was lead poisoning--then I remembered I had just ate at Pancho's.
As soon as I see a goose dive down 30 ft to eat a 2 oz lead slab I will worry.

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#5280676 - 09/07/10 05:15 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: Jimbo100]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo100
all were off the web by searching the issue.


If you want to convince people to change, you need a better source than "the web".
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#5285272 - 09/08/10 07:11 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: jtexas]
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I agree Jtexas.

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#5289072 - 09/09/10 06:34 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: BrianTx01]
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Jimbo as a tackle guy that sells lead lures I can tell ya, prices will increase 75-100%. I have costs from offshore mfg on lead, aluminum, stainless steel, tungston. When a goverment agency can show me that lead lures and weights are killing fish, then I will agree with ya.

I grew up in OR and saw owls shut down the timber industry, and watched fires burn out of control because dead timber was not clear'd.

These Granola Freaks tend to go a bit overboard, and that's not good. The goverment needs to fix this economy not mess with lead fishing lures!

Vote this down SportsFans! Don't let the Granola eat'n tree hug'n freaks run things! TX is great, OR is a bit wacko! Sorry Jimbo we must disagree
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#5289141 - 09/09/10 06:53 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: SuperDuck]
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Registered: 07/11/10
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Loc: SW Kansas
Originally Posted By: SuperDuck
Jimbo as a tackle guy that sells lead lures I can tell ya, prices will increase 75-100%. I have costs from offshore mfg on lead, aluminum, stainless steel, tungston. When a goverment agency can show me that lead lures and weights are killing fish, then I will agree with ya.

I grew up in OR and saw owls shut down the timber industry, and watched fires burn out of control because dead timber was not clear'd.

These Granola Freaks tend to go a bit overboard, and that's not good. The goverment needs to fix this economy not mess with lead fishing lures!

Vote this down SportsFans! Don't let the Granola eat'n tree hug'n freaks run things! TX is great, OR is a bit wacko! Sorry Jimbo we must disagree


Very well said And the only way to fix this economy is to mandate 1.25 max for a gallon of gas or diesel and then maybe people can once again to afford to pay their bills as well as trade a few bucks around here and there But you can bet that will never happen.
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#5289818 - 09/09/10 09:50 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: chuck44l]
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Loc: Weatherford
Strigul, N; Koutsospyros, A; Arienti, P; Christodoulatos, C; Dermatas, D; Braida, W (Oct 2005). "Effects of tungsten on environmental systems.". Chemosphere 61 (2): 248–58. doi:10.1016/j.chemosphere.2005.01.083. ISSN 0045-6535. PMID 16168748.

This is some of what I was arguing earlier. While I don't argue we should ban tungsten, I do argue we don't fully know the long-term toxicity of what we would be replacing lead with. You have to pay to read this online but you can get summaries in wikipedia as well as other sites and libraries. The net effect is that we don't really know the long-term toxicity of tungsten. That is why I argue, absent very compelling evidence, we need to think very carefully about wholesale changes. Admittedly, there are studies that implicate lead in some bird deaths and some of those are caused by lead sinker material. Those studies mostly involve loons in the northeast. Whether lead sinker material can be implicated in long-term decline of loon populations is another matter. Additionally, the wholesale banning of lead in Texas because it MAY have implications in lead poisoning of loons in the northeast is also another matter.
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#5289868 - 09/09/10 10:03 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: chuck44l]
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Originally Posted By: chuck44l
Very well said And the only way to fix this economy is to mandate 1.25 max for a gallon of gas or diesel and then maybe people can once again to afford to pay their bills as well as trade a few bucks around here and there But you can bet that will never happen.


At the risk of hijacking this post, if you mandate 1.25/gallon gasoline you will have fuel shortages. The lost opportunity cost of waiting in line to get gas would outweigh the additional cost of buying gas at 2.65/gallon. I lived through the late 70's and remember this lesson well.
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#5290923 - 09/10/10 10:22 AM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: jnd59]
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Originally Posted By: jnd59
Originally Posted By: chuck44l
Very well said And the only way to fix this economy is to mandate 1.25 max for a gallon of gas or diesel and then maybe people can once again to afford to pay their bills as well as trade a few bucks around here and there But you can bet that will never happen.


At the risk of hijacking this post, if you mandate 1.25/gallon gasoline you will have fuel shortages. The lost opportunity cost of waiting in line to get gas would outweigh the additional cost of buying gas at 2.65/gallon. I lived through the late 70's and remember this lesson well.


Thats exactly what they want you to think. George W Jr Mr oil tycoon himself did a great job of brainwashing many people. We have way more oil avail right here in the us then the majority of the public knows about and even with fewer refineries then we had a few years ago we can still keep up with demand. Sorry about the off topic i am done with this subject. Fwiw i also remember the lines at the gas station in the 70's Total different deal here.


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#5291007 - 09/10/10 10:49 AM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: SuperDuck]
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Registered: 07/17/07
Posts: 2138
Originally Posted By: SuperDuck
Jimbo as a tackle guy that sells lead lures I can tell ya, prices will increase 75-100%. I have costs from offshore mfg on lead, aluminum, stainless steel, tungston. When a goverment agency can show me that lead lures and weights are killing fish, then I will agree with ya.

I grew up in OR and saw owls shut down the timber industry, and watched fires burn out of control because dead timber was not clear'd.

These Granola Freaks tend to go a bit overboard, and that's not good. The goverment needs to fix this economy not mess with lead fishing lures!

Vote this down SportsFans! Don't let the Granola eat'n tree hug'n freaks run things! TX is great, OR is a bit wacko! Sorry Jimbo we must disagree


+1..hippie granola freaks pervert science to gain power for themselves...I like to think of them as "emotional terrorists"...appealing too often to peoples emotions towards nature instead of common sense.
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#5291405 - 09/10/10 01:02 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: TheRodFather]
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Registered: 07/19/10
Posts: 166
First of all, there are far greater threats to our lakes than lead. When they can show elevated levels of lead in the water that poses a real danger, it will be different. Until then, I don't see an issue with lead weights.

As for fuel prices, I can assure you that 1.25 a gallon isn't gonna happen. When prices went to 4.00 a while back, that was idiots on wallstreet taking people to the cleaners, not the oil companies. The oil companies have had to streamline a lot from the way they operated under those prices and I can assure you that put a LOT of people in this area out of work that had good jobs. When prices came down, much lower than what was represented at the pumps, they were actually shutting in wells because they were losing money by operating them. What you see at the pump often bares little resemblence to the prices that the real oil companies are getting. Our local economy relies very heavily on the oil and gas industry and every company in this industry sees it's operating costs go up every year due to increasing government regulations and while that is not all bad, it does more to drive up costs than it does anything else. Big government is extremely expensive.

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#5308597 - 09/15/10 04:03 PM Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle [Re: BrianTx01]
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Registered: 09/03/09
Posts: 156
Loc: Decatur Texas USA
this is the official response from my local Senator..... any one else get and is it the same or different ?


Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) review of lead in hunting ammunition and fishing equipment. I welcome your thoughts and comments.

The Center for Biological Diversity submitted a petition to the EPA on August 3, 2010 to ban the use of lead in such ammunition and equipment. Currently, lead is allowed in bullets and shotgun pellets. On August 27, 2010 the EPA ruled against banning lead in ammunition. Further, the EPA declared that lead in ammunition is not within the agency’s jurisdiction. Although the EPA has dropped its review of lead ammunition, it is continuing its review of a potential ban on lead fishing sinkers and lures.

I strongly support our ability to legally hunt and fish in Texas. Hunting and fishing have a rich history in our state. From deer hunting in locations similar to our beautiful Hill Country to bass fishing in places akin to Lake Fork, our diverse and unique environment across Texas makes our state an ideal place to participate in the sport of hunting and fishing.

You may be sure that I will closely monitor the EPA's investigation into the effects on the environment of lead fishing sinkers and lures. I will keep your views in mind should the Senate vote on any legislation regarding lead ammunition or fishing equipment.

I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to contact me on any issue that is important to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
United States Senator


Edited by w.ramsey (09/15/10 04:03 PM)
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