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#5267539 - 09/03/10 08:19 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: SuperDuck]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 05/26/09
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Loc: A wandering Nomad
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Big Government DOESN'T work!
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#5267612 - 09/03/10 08:38 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: VIP Fishing]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 901
Loc: Mesquite, TX
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This is crazy, I will continue to mold my own...wait...what will they make my wheel-wieghts out of...noooooooooo 
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#5268517 - 09/03/10 12:57 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Dennis Christian]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 2680
Loc: South Grand Prairie
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True that never well work.
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#5270183 - 09/03/10 09:28 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: T-MAC]
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Angler
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 498
Loc: Mansfield,Tx, USA
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I guess they want to do the same thing to my fishing that they have done to my duck hunting. Next time you go to Bass Pro take a look at the price of a box of steel shot shotgun shells. Then look at the other materials. Bismuth is about a buck a shot. Ouch!
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#5270959 - 09/04/10 08:48 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Old Birdeye]
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Green Horn
Registered: 05/15/10
Posts: 16
Loc: Belton TX
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#5271004 - 09/04/10 09:12 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Praying_For_Fish]
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Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 484
Loc: Weatherford
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comment sent. I typed an original comment as being a recovering politician, I believe it may carry more weight than the "canned" version. However completing the canned version will still have an effect on the decision. I think that the EPA is required to make a decision based on scientific evidence rather than public wishes; however, scientific evidence must be weighed and that is were public opinion can tip the balance. I urge all to either copy and past the comments provided or create your own. If you are creating your own use the link and reference TSCA Section 21 reqeust to ban the manufacture, processing or distribution of lead sinker material.
Edited by jnd59 (09/04/10 09:12 AM)
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You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5275105 - 09/06/10 02:11 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: TxCatfishGuide]
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Registered: 03/21/10
Posts: 5404
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The Feds and the State can ban whatever they want and I will continue to do whatever I want.
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#5275168 - 09/06/10 05:07 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Don Morey]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 4163
Loc: Azle,Tx
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Sent it in, Everybody needs to take afew and oppose it.
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#5275298 - 09/06/10 07:57 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: sandjohnny]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 08/22/10
Posts: 547
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Just another government knee jerk reaction allowing big business to get a free pass while the recreational fisherman is crippled. If they are really concerned about contaminants in the water--how about forcing the businesses that dumped PCB's in our water causing consumption bans of fish in many of our lakes--or doing something about the large amounts of pharmaceuticals that are in our drinking water??? Instead they want to jack with the recreational fishing industry because an angler might loose a split shot of slab every now and then. It would be comical if it wasn't our tax money paying for this idiocy to go on.
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#5278214 - 09/07/10 08:16 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: SuperDuck]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 329
Loc: Rockwall
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Wow ..... We as people who use the lakes eat the fish and water fowl we should be glad this ban is being issued to protect our resources. They say prices will go way up but i don't agree the biggest cost of a lure is not the lead its the labor. There are a lot of manufactures who have already removed the lead from thier products. With the lead gone there will be alternative products available.
Protect our resources and get the lead out!!!
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#5278225 - 09/07/10 08:18 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 329
Loc: Rockwall
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If others were dumping toxic material in the water we would all be going crazy to get them to stop. Well this time we are the enenmy. Get Smart get rid of the lead!!
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#5278455 - 09/07/10 09:15 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 484
Loc: Weatherford
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If others were dumping toxic material in the water we would all be going crazy to get them to stop. Well this time we are the enenmy. Get Smart get rid of the lead!! I would not appose a ban on lead fishing sinkers or lures if there is evidence that they are causing net environmental/economic harm. To date, I haven't seen evidence that supports that theory. There are economic and environmental costs to every action. Those costs may outweigh the supposed benefit. Many times substances have been banned only to discover the replacement causes more net enivornmental damage. It is obvious that lead can cause environmental harm. It is less obvious that it is causing harm in this instance or that the act of banning would not create more harm. We need sicientific evidence, not the agenda of an anti fishing and hunting organization to to drive this decision.
Edited by jnd59 (09/07/10 09:16 AM)
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90 Black / Silver Champion with a young and incredibly good-looking driver.
You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5278528 - 09/07/10 09:31 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: jnd59]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/20/02
Posts: 925
Loc: granbury texas usa
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Take action now,it is important and vital to your future on the lake.Would put trolling nolan and moe out of business
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#5278738 - 09/07/10 10:33 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: eddie lane]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 07/17/07
Posts: 2138
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BS! Keep the Government out of my tacklebox!
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#5278983 - 09/07/10 11:39 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: TheRodFather]
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Angler
Registered: 04/29/09
Posts: 316
Loc: Midlothian, Texas
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At some point we will be forced to face the fact that everything we do affects our natural resources. I don't think that banning lead is a bad idea, but not sure of the effectiveness of it.
It'll happen at some point.
I think you have to have your head in the sand if you don't think that lead (and gas, and oil, and grease, and cleaners) that we deposit in our lakes don't affect our drinking water.
Just switch your family's flatware from stainless to lead, and stir your tea with those if you think that.
Anyway, it's always interesting to see the polarities that arise out of political issues.
Sometimes it's more about "Don't tell me what to do." than it is about what's best for all of us.
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Edited by hideandseekfish (09/07/10 11:40 AM)
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#5279100 - 09/07/10 12:11 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: hideandseekfish]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 329
Loc: Rockwall
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Symptoms of lead poisoning in birds
A Canada Goose huddles at the lake’s edge. It is weak and listless and has been eating poorly for days. Its wings droop when it attempts to walk, it is uncoordinated, and it cannot fly. It suffers from vomiting and watery diarrhea. As time passes, the goose grows progressively weaker until it cannot move. Blind and helpless, it suffers from seizures and eventually dies.
An autopsy of this unfortunate bird reveals several weathered pieces of lead in the gizzard, the debris of hunters and fishers. The lead has been slowly eroding in the acid environment of the gizzard, gradually releasing the toxic metal into the bird’s bloodstream. The damage has been slow and deadly.
Lead and wild birds
Fishing weights and lead shot were traditionally made of lead. Although nontoxic alternatives are becoming more common, pieces of lead litter forests, wetlands and waterways all over the world, making lead poisoning one of the most common causes of toxicity in birds. Lead is a particular danger to waterfowl who accidentally swallow pieces while feeding and retain them in the gizzard; ground feeding birds also fall victim occasionally and birds of prey ingest lead when they prey on smaller birds and animals that are contaminated.
Cost comparisons:
Products Relative Toxicitiy to Waterfowl Number Cost
BassPro Lead Split Shot Toxic 210 $5.00
Cabela's Lead Shot Toxic 100 $3.00
XPS Diamond Drop Weights (lead) Toxic 10 $3.00
BassPro Tin Split Shot Non-Toxic 210 $5.50
Cabela's Non-Toxic Shot Non-Toxic 100 $4.25
Loon Outdoors Tungsten Putty Non-Toxic 1 oz. $6.00
50 cent difference in cost?
Why are the folks using the resources so against protecting the resources?
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#5279160 - 09/07/10 12:29 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: hideandseekfish]
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Angler
Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 484
Loc: Weatherford
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I think you have to have your head in the sand if you don't think that lead (and gas, and oil, and grease, and cleaners) that we deposit in our lakes don't affect our drinking water.
Just switch your family's flatware from stainless to lead, and stir your tea with those if you think that. You are correct that all of that junk affects our drinking water. What I oppose is the arguement that getting rid of all of that junk would make us better off. As for stirring my tea with a lead spoon, I don't think anyone is proposing that we drive around a 75,000 acre lake towing 60 tons of lead. The scientific evidence will be if lead levels in lakes are rising or fish, fowl or predators are experiencing elevated levels of lead specifically due to the introcudtion of lead weights or lures in lake systems. Maybe if specific lakes have elevated levels of lead then something should be done. As with most things, lead is not all bad nor all good, only when it reaches specific, harmfull levels or is ingested and accumulates at higher than normal levels should action be taken. And then that action should be balanced by its cost. Using the precautionary principal to ban the use of materials simply because the materials can cause harm ignores the cost of taking that action.
Edited by jnd59 (09/07/10 12:30 PM)
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You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5279245 - 09/07/10 12:46 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Angler
Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 484
Loc: Weatherford
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An autopsy of this unfortunate bird reveals several weathered pieces of lead in the gizzard, the debris of hunters and fishers. The lead has been slowly eroding in the acid environment of the gizzard, gradually releasing the toxic metal into the bird’s bloodstream. The damage has been slow and deadly.
Lead and wild birds
Fishing weights and lead shot were traditionally made of lead. Although nontoxic alternatives are becoming more common, pieces of lead litter forests, wetlands and waterways all over the world, making lead poisoning one of the most common causes of toxicity in birds. Please state the study used to determine that lead from fishing weights and lures are accumulating in fish and/or fowl. That lead is scattered all over the planet is a given. How did it get there? Did man scatter it all over the planet or was it natually occuring (ok, I know it is a combination of both but if you don't ask the question you don't answer it either)? What caused the scattering of lead all over the planet? Was it specifically hunters and fishers or was it other processes such as wheel weights? Was this lead scattered before modern times or during? Are the incidences of lead poisoned birds above the historical average? Below? The same? Can we know? Given that the replacement metals will not cause lead poisoning, are we confident that they are more environmentally benign? What happens to them when they break down over the next fifty years? Do we know? What if we replace lead with so called "environmentally freindly" metals only to find out thirty years from now that we have created a much greater threat when ingestion of fishing weights may have been only a tangential cause of lead accumulation in birds. I'm not saying these are all negative and lead is begnin. I'm saying we need to base this decision on fully vetted and argued science, not the precautionary principle.
Edited by jnd59 (09/07/10 02:20 PM)
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90 Black / Silver Champion with a young and incredibly good-looking driver.
You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5279367 - 09/07/10 01:10 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: jnd59]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 4163
Loc: Azle,Tx
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They cut out all lead in yellowstone years ago and they run test and it made not one bit of differance. Birds don't eat sinkers or lead lures . They are leaving lead in ammo. so what is the argument.So jimbo they need to cut it out of ammo. But they have already decided to leave it in. So what does that have to do with fishing stuff.
Johnny
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#5279514 - 09/07/10 01:42 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 2566
Loc: Fort Worth
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Symptoms of lead poisoning in birds
A Canada Goose huddles at the lake’s edge. It is weak and listless and has been eating poorly for days. Its wings droop when it attempts to walk, it is uncoordinated, and it cannot fly. It suffers from vomiting and watery diarrhea. As time passes, the goose grows progressively weaker until it cannot move. Blind and helpless, it suffers from seizures and eventually dies.
An autopsy of this unfortunate bird reveals several weathered pieces of lead in the gizzard, the debris of hunters and fishers. The lead has been slowly eroding in the acid environment of the gizzard, gradually releasing the toxic metal into the bird’s bloodstream. The damage has been slow and deadly.
Lead and wild birds
Fishing weights and lead shot were traditionally made of lead. Although nontoxic alternatives are becoming more common, pieces of lead litter forests, wetlands and waterways all over the world, making lead poisoning one of the most common causes of toxicity in birds. Lead is a particular danger to waterfowl who accidentally swallow pieces while feeding and retain them in the gizzard; ground feeding birds also fall victim occasionally and birds of prey ingest lead when they prey on smaller birds and animals that are contaminated.
Cost comparisons:
Products Relative Toxicitiy to Waterfowl Number Cost
BassPro Lead Split Shot Toxic 210 $5.00
Cabela's Lead Shot Toxic 100 $3.00
XPS Diamond Drop Weights (lead) Toxic 10 $3.00
BassPro Tin Split Shot Non-Toxic 210 $5.50
Cabela's Non-Toxic Shot Non-Toxic 100 $4.25
Loon Outdoors Tungsten Putty Non-Toxic 1 oz. $6.00
50 cent difference in cost?
Why are the folks using the resources so against protecting the resources? Where is your documentation? If you make these claims you should back it up.
Edited by BrianTx01 (09/07/10 01:43 PM)
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