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#5267539 - 09/03/10 08:19 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: SuperDuck]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 05/26/09
Posts: 3395
Loc: A wandering Nomad
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Big Government DOESN'T work!
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#5267612 - 09/03/10 08:38 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: VIP Fishing]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/24/10
Posts: 901
Loc: Mesquite, TX
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This is crazy, I will continue to mold my own...wait...what will they make my wheel-wieghts out of...noooooooooo 
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#5268517 - 09/03/10 12:57 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Dennis Christian]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 2601
Loc: South Grand Prairie
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True that never well work.
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#5270183 - 09/03/10 09:28 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: T-MAC]
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Angler
Registered: 08/02/02
Posts: 497
Loc: Mansfield,Tx, USA
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I guess they want to do the same thing to my fishing that they have done to my duck hunting. Next time you go to Bass Pro take a look at the price of a box of steel shot shotgun shells. Then look at the other materials. Bismuth is about a buck a shot. Ouch!
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#5270959 - 09/04/10 08:48 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Old Birdeye]
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Green Horn
Registered: 05/15/10
Posts: 16
Loc: Belton TX
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#5271004 - 09/04/10 09:12 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Praying_For_Fish]
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Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 468
Loc: Weatherford
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comment sent. I typed an original comment as being a recovering politician, I believe it may carry more weight than the "canned" version. However completing the canned version will still have an effect on the decision. I think that the EPA is required to make a decision based on scientific evidence rather than public wishes; however, scientific evidence must be weighed and that is were public opinion can tip the balance. I urge all to either copy and past the comments provided or create your own. If you are creating your own use the link and reference TSCA Section 21 reqeust to ban the manufacture, processing or distribution of lead sinker material.
Edited by jnd59 (09/04/10 09:12 AM)
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You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5275105 - 09/06/10 02:11 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: TxCatfishGuide]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 03/21/10
Posts: 3971
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The Feds and the State can ban whatever they want and I will continue to do whatever I want.
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#5275168 - 09/06/10 05:07 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Bream Bum]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 3739
Loc: Azle,Tx
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Sent it in, Everybody needs to take afew and oppose it.
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#5275298 - 09/06/10 07:57 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: sandjohnny]
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Angler
Registered: 08/22/10
Posts: 480
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Just another government knee jerk reaction allowing big business to get a free pass while the recreational fisherman is crippled. If they are really concerned about contaminants in the water--how about forcing the businesses that dumped PCB's in our water causing consumption bans of fish in many of our lakes--or doing something about the large amounts of pharmaceuticals that are in our drinking water??? Instead they want to jack with the recreational fishing industry because an angler might loose a split shot of slab every now and then. It would be comical if it wasn't our tax money paying for this idiocy to go on.
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#5278214 - 09/07/10 08:16 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: SuperDuck]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 324
Loc: Rockwall
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Wow ..... We as people who use the lakes eat the fish and water fowl we should be glad this ban is being issued to protect our resources. They say prices will go way up but i don't agree the biggest cost of a lure is not the lead its the labor. There are a lot of manufactures who have already removed the lead from thier products. With the lead gone there will be alternative products available.
Protect our resources and get the lead out!!!
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#5278225 - 09/07/10 08:18 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 324
Loc: Rockwall
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If others were dumping toxic material in the water we would all be going crazy to get them to stop. Well this time we are the enenmy. Get Smart get rid of the lead!!
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#5278455 - 09/07/10 09:15 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Angler
Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 468
Loc: Weatherford
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If others were dumping toxic material in the water we would all be going crazy to get them to stop. Well this time we are the enenmy. Get Smart get rid of the lead!! I would not appose a ban on lead fishing sinkers or lures if there is evidence that they are causing net environmental/economic harm. To date, I haven't seen evidence that supports that theory. There are economic and environmental costs to every action. Those costs may outweigh the supposed benefit. Many times substances have been banned only to discover the replacement causes more net enivornmental damage. It is obvious that lead can cause environmental harm. It is less obvious that it is causing harm in this instance or that the act of banning would not create more harm. We need sicientific evidence, not the agenda of an anti fishing and hunting organization to to drive this decision.
Edited by jnd59 (09/07/10 09:16 AM)
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90 Black / Silver Champion with a young and incredibly good-looking driver.
You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5278528 - 09/07/10 09:31 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: jnd59]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 04/20/02
Posts: 925
Loc: granbury texas usa
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Take action now,it is important and vital to your future on the lake.Would put trolling nolan and moe out of business
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#5278738 - 09/07/10 10:33 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: eddie lane]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 07/17/07
Posts: 2058
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BS! Keep the Government out of my tacklebox!
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#5278983 - 09/07/10 11:39 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: TheRodFather]
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Angler
Registered: 04/29/09
Posts: 316
Loc: Midlothian, Texas
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At some point we will be forced to face the fact that everything we do affects our natural resources. I don't think that banning lead is a bad idea, but not sure of the effectiveness of it.
It'll happen at some point.
I think you have to have your head in the sand if you don't think that lead (and gas, and oil, and grease, and cleaners) that we deposit in our lakes don't affect our drinking water.
Just switch your family's flatware from stainless to lead, and stir your tea with those if you think that.
Anyway, it's always interesting to see the polarities that arise out of political issues.
Sometimes it's more about "Don't tell me what to do." than it is about what's best for all of us.
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#5279100 - 09/07/10 12:11 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: hideandseekfish]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 324
Loc: Rockwall
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Symptoms of lead poisoning in birds
A Canada Goose huddles at the lake’s edge. It is weak and listless and has been eating poorly for days. Its wings droop when it attempts to walk, it is uncoordinated, and it cannot fly. It suffers from vomiting and watery diarrhea. As time passes, the goose grows progressively weaker until it cannot move. Blind and helpless, it suffers from seizures and eventually dies.
An autopsy of this unfortunate bird reveals several weathered pieces of lead in the gizzard, the debris of hunters and fishers. The lead has been slowly eroding in the acid environment of the gizzard, gradually releasing the toxic metal into the bird’s bloodstream. The damage has been slow and deadly.
Lead and wild birds
Fishing weights and lead shot were traditionally made of lead. Although nontoxic alternatives are becoming more common, pieces of lead litter forests, wetlands and waterways all over the world, making lead poisoning one of the most common causes of toxicity in birds. Lead is a particular danger to waterfowl who accidentally swallow pieces while feeding and retain them in the gizzard; ground feeding birds also fall victim occasionally and birds of prey ingest lead when they prey on smaller birds and animals that are contaminated.
Cost comparisons:
Products Relative Toxicitiy to Waterfowl Number Cost
BassPro Lead Split Shot Toxic 210 $5.00
Cabela's Lead Shot Toxic 100 $3.00
XPS Diamond Drop Weights (lead) Toxic 10 $3.00
BassPro Tin Split Shot Non-Toxic 210 $5.50
Cabela's Non-Toxic Shot Non-Toxic 100 $4.25
Loon Outdoors Tungsten Putty Non-Toxic 1 oz. $6.00
50 cent difference in cost?
Why are the folks using the resources so against protecting the resources?
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#5279160 - 09/07/10 12:29 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: hideandseekfish]
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Angler
Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 468
Loc: Weatherford
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I think you have to have your head in the sand if you don't think that lead (and gas, and oil, and grease, and cleaners) that we deposit in our lakes don't affect our drinking water.
Just switch your family's flatware from stainless to lead, and stir your tea with those if you think that. You are correct that all of that junk affects our drinking water. What I oppose is the arguement that getting rid of all of that junk would make us better off. As for stirring my tea with a lead spoon, I don't think anyone is proposing that we drive around a 75,000 acre lake towing 60 tons of lead. The scientific evidence will be if lead levels in lakes are rising or fish, fowl or predators are experiencing elevated levels of lead specifically due to the introcudtion of lead weights or lures in lake systems. Maybe if specific lakes have elevated levels of lead then something should be done. As with most things, lead is not all bad nor all good, only when it reaches specific, harmfull levels or is ingested and accumulates at higher than normal levels should action be taken. And then that action should be balanced by its cost. Using the precautionary principal to ban the use of materials simply because the materials can cause harm ignores the cost of taking that action.
Edited by jnd59 (09/07/10 12:30 PM)
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You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5279245 - 09/07/10 12:46 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Angler
Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 468
Loc: Weatherford
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An autopsy of this unfortunate bird reveals several weathered pieces of lead in the gizzard, the debris of hunters and fishers. The lead has been slowly eroding in the acid environment of the gizzard, gradually releasing the toxic metal into the bird’s bloodstream. The damage has been slow and deadly.
Lead and wild birds
Fishing weights and lead shot were traditionally made of lead. Although nontoxic alternatives are becoming more common, pieces of lead litter forests, wetlands and waterways all over the world, making lead poisoning one of the most common causes of toxicity in birds. Please state the study used to determine that lead from fishing weights and lures are accumulating in fish and/or fowl. That lead is scattered all over the planet is a given. How did it get there? Did man scatter it all over the planet or was it natually occuring (ok, I know it is a combination of both but if you don't ask the question you don't answer it either)? What caused the scattering of lead all over the planet? Was it specifically hunters and fishers or was it other processes such as wheel weights? Was this lead scattered before modern times or during? Are the incidences of lead poisoned birds above the historical average? Below? The same? Can we know? Given that the replacement metals will not cause lead poisoning, are we confident that they are more environmentally benign? What happens to them when they break down over the next fifty years? Do we know? What if we replace lead with so called "environmentally freindly" metals only to find out thirty years from now that we have created a much greater threat when ingestion of fishing weights may have been only a tangential cause of lead accumulation in birds. I'm not saying these are all negative and lead is begnin. I'm saying we need to base this decision on fully vetted and argued science, not the precautionary principle.
Edited by jnd59 (09/07/10 02:20 PM)
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90 Black / Silver Champion with a young and incredibly good-looking driver.
You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5279367 - 09/07/10 01:10 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: jnd59]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 01/22/06
Posts: 3739
Loc: Azle,Tx
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They cut out all lead in yellowstone years ago and they run test and it made not one bit of differance. Birds don't eat sinkers or lead lures . They are leaving lead in ammo. so what is the argument.So jimbo they need to cut it out of ammo. But they have already decided to leave it in. So what does that have to do with fishing stuff.
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#5279514 - 09/07/10 01:42 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 04/13/09
Posts: 2256
Loc: Fort Worth
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Symptoms of lead poisoning in birds
A Canada Goose huddles at the lake’s edge. It is weak and listless and has been eating poorly for days. Its wings droop when it attempts to walk, it is uncoordinated, and it cannot fly. It suffers from vomiting and watery diarrhea. As time passes, the goose grows progressively weaker until it cannot move. Blind and helpless, it suffers from seizures and eventually dies.
An autopsy of this unfortunate bird reveals several weathered pieces of lead in the gizzard, the debris of hunters and fishers. The lead has been slowly eroding in the acid environment of the gizzard, gradually releasing the toxic metal into the bird’s bloodstream. The damage has been slow and deadly.
Lead and wild birds
Fishing weights and lead shot were traditionally made of lead. Although nontoxic alternatives are becoming more common, pieces of lead litter forests, wetlands and waterways all over the world, making lead poisoning one of the most common causes of toxicity in birds. Lead is a particular danger to waterfowl who accidentally swallow pieces while feeding and retain them in the gizzard; ground feeding birds also fall victim occasionally and birds of prey ingest lead when they prey on smaller birds and animals that are contaminated.
Cost comparisons:
Products Relative Toxicitiy to Waterfowl Number Cost
BassPro Lead Split Shot Toxic 210 $5.00
Cabela's Lead Shot Toxic 100 $3.00
XPS Diamond Drop Weights (lead) Toxic 10 $3.00
BassPro Tin Split Shot Non-Toxic 210 $5.50
Cabela's Non-Toxic Shot Non-Toxic 100 $4.25
Loon Outdoors Tungsten Putty Non-Toxic 1 oz. $6.00
50 cent difference in cost?
Why are the folks using the resources so against protecting the resources? Where is your documentation? If you make these claims you should back it up.
Edited by BrianTx01 (09/07/10 01:43 PM)
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#5279756 - 09/07/10 02:41 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: BrianTx01]
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Angler
Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 324
Loc: Rockwall
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all were off the web by searching the issue.
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#5280609 - 09/07/10 05:02 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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Angler
Registered: 08/22/10
Posts: 480
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Symptoms of lead poisoning in birds
A Canada Goose huddles at the lake’s edge. It is weak and listless and has been eating poorly for days. Its wings droop when it attempts to walk, it is uncoordinated, and it cannot fly. It suffers from vomiting and watery diarrhea. As time passes, the goose grows progressively weaker until it cannot move. I felt like the goose once and was afraid it was lead poisoning--then I remembered I had just ate at Pancho's. As soon as I see a goose dive down 30 ft to eat a 2 oz lead slab I will worry.
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#5280676 - 09/07/10 05:15 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: Jimbo100]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 12/15/03
Posts: 3152
Loc: Arlington, TX
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all were off the web by searching the issue. If you want to convince people to change, you need a better source than "the web".
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#5285272 - 09/08/10 07:11 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: jtexas]
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Registered: 04/06/09
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Loc: Texas
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#5289141 - 09/09/10 06:53 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: SuperDuck]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1381
Loc: SW Kansas
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Jimbo as a tackle guy that sells lead lures I can tell ya, prices will increase 75-100%. I have costs from offshore mfg on lead, aluminum, stainless steel, tungston. When a goverment agency can show me that lead lures and weights are killing fish, then I will agree with ya.
I grew up in OR and saw owls shut down the timber industry, and watched fires burn out of control because dead timber was not clear'd.
These Granola Freaks tend to go a bit overboard, and that's not good. The goverment needs to fix this economy not mess with lead fishing lures!
Vote this down SportsFans! Don't let the Granola eat'n tree hug'n freaks run things! TX is great, OR is a bit wacko! Sorry Jimbo we must disagree Very well said And the only way to fix this economy is to mandate 1.25 max for a gallon of gas or diesel and then maybe people can once again to afford to pay their bills as well as trade a few bucks around here and there But you can bet that will never happen.
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#5289818 - 09/09/10 09:50 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: chuck44l]
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Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 468
Loc: Weatherford
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Strigul, N; Koutsospyros, A; Arienti, P; Christodoulatos, C; Dermatas, D; Braida, W (Oct 2005). "Effects of tungsten on environmental systems.". Chemosphere 61 (2): 248–58. doi:10.1016/j.chemosphere.2005.01.083. ISSN 0045-6535. PMID 16168748.
This is some of what I was arguing earlier. While I don't argue we should ban tungsten, I do argue we don't fully know the long-term toxicity of what we would be replacing lead with. You have to pay to read this online but you can get summaries in wikipedia as well as other sites and libraries. The net effect is that we don't really know the long-term toxicity of tungsten. That is why I argue, absent very compelling evidence, we need to think very carefully about wholesale changes. Admittedly, there are studies that implicate lead in some bird deaths and some of those are caused by lead sinker material. Those studies mostly involve loons in the northeast. Whether lead sinker material can be implicated in long-term decline of loon populations is another matter. Additionally, the wholesale banning of lead in Texas because it MAY have implications in lead poisoning of loons in the northeast is also another matter.
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90 Black / Silver Champion with a young and incredibly good-looking driver.
You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5289868 - 09/09/10 10:03 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: chuck44l]
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Angler
Registered: 06/17/07
Posts: 468
Loc: Weatherford
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Very well said And the only way to fix this economy is to mandate 1.25 max for a gallon of gas or diesel and then maybe people can once again to afford to pay their bills as well as trade a few bucks around here and there But you can bet that will never happen. At the risk of hijacking this post, if you mandate 1.25/gallon gasoline you will have fuel shortages. The lost opportunity cost of waiting in line to get gas would outweigh the additional cost of buying gas at 2.65/gallon. I lived through the late 70's and remember this lesson well.
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90 Black / Silver Champion with a young and incredibly good-looking driver.
You do realize that no matter how fast a fish swims it never sweats?
If you eat pasta and anti-pasta, will you still be hungry?
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#5290923 - 09/10/10 10:22 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: jnd59]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1381
Loc: SW Kansas
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Very well said And the only way to fix this economy is to mandate 1.25 max for a gallon of gas or diesel and then maybe people can once again to afford to pay their bills as well as trade a few bucks around here and there But you can bet that will never happen. At the risk of hijacking this post, if you mandate 1.25/gallon gasoline you will have fuel shortages. The lost opportunity cost of waiting in line to get gas would outweigh the additional cost of buying gas at 2.65/gallon. I lived through the late 70's and remember this lesson well. Thats exactly what they want you to think. George W Jr Mr oil tycoon himself did a great job of brainwashing many people. We have way more oil avail right here in the us then the majority of the public knows about and even with fewer refineries then we had a few years ago we can still keep up with demand. Sorry about the off topic i am done with this subject. Fwiw i also remember the lines at the gas station in the 70's Total different deal here.
Edited by chuck44l (09/10/10 10:24 AM)
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#5291007 - 09/10/10 10:49 AM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: SuperDuck]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 07/17/07
Posts: 2058
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Jimbo as a tackle guy that sells lead lures I can tell ya, prices will increase 75-100%. I have costs from offshore mfg on lead, aluminum, stainless steel, tungston. When a goverment agency can show me that lead lures and weights are killing fish, then I will agree with ya.
I grew up in OR and saw owls shut down the timber industry, and watched fires burn out of control because dead timber was not clear'd.
These Granola Freaks tend to go a bit overboard, and that's not good. The goverment needs to fix this economy not mess with lead fishing lures!
Vote this down SportsFans! Don't let the Granola eat'n tree hug'n freaks run things! TX is great, OR is a bit wacko! Sorry Jimbo we must disagree +1..hippie granola freaks pervert science to gain power for themselves...I like to think of them as "emotional terrorists"...appealing too often to peoples emotions towards nature instead of common sense.
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#5291405 - 09/10/10 01:02 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: TheRodFather]
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Registered: 07/19/10
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First of all, there are far greater threats to our lakes than lead. When they can show elevated levels of lead in the water that poses a real danger, it will be different. Until then, I don't see an issue with lead weights.
As for fuel prices, I can assure you that 1.25 a gallon isn't gonna happen. When prices went to 4.00 a while back, that was idiots on wallstreet taking people to the cleaners, not the oil companies. The oil companies have had to streamline a lot from the way they operated under those prices and I can assure you that put a LOT of people in this area out of work that had good jobs. When prices came down, much lower than what was represented at the pumps, they were actually shutting in wells because they were losing money by operating them. What you see at the pump often bares little resemblence to the prices that the real oil companies are getting. Our local economy relies very heavily on the oil and gas industry and every company in this industry sees it's operating costs go up every year due to increasing government regulations and while that is not all bad, it does more to drive up costs than it does anything else. Big government is extremely expensive.
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#5308597 - 09/15/10 04:03 PM
Re: Oppose The Federal Ban On Lead Fishing Tackle
[Re: BrianTx01]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 09/03/09
Posts: 140
Loc: Decatur Texas USA
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this is the official response from my local Senator..... any one else get and is it the same or different ?
Dear Friend:
Thank you for contacting me regarding the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) review of lead in hunting ammunition and fishing equipment. I welcome your thoughts and comments.
The Center for Biological Diversity submitted a petition to the EPA on August 3, 2010 to ban the use of lead in such ammunition and equipment. Currently, lead is allowed in bullets and shotgun pellets. On August 27, 2010 the EPA ruled against banning lead in ammunition. Further, the EPA declared that lead in ammunition is not within the agency’s jurisdiction. Although the EPA has dropped its review of lead ammunition, it is continuing its review of a potential ban on lead fishing sinkers and lures.
I strongly support our ability to legally hunt and fish in Texas. Hunting and fishing have a rich history in our state. From deer hunting in locations similar to our beautiful Hill Country to bass fishing in places akin to Lake Fork, our diverse and unique environment across Texas makes our state an ideal place to participate in the sport of hunting and fishing.
You may be sure that I will closely monitor the EPA's investigation into the effects on the environment of lead fishing sinkers and lures. I will keep your views in mind should the Senate vote on any legislation regarding lead ammunition or fishing equipment.
I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to contact me on any issue that is important to you.
Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
United States Senator
Edited by w.ramsey (09/15/10 04:03 PM)
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