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#5247278 - 08/28/10 01:02 AM Excellent thermocline post
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#5247405 - 08/28/10 05:31 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: SheldonS]
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That was a good read!
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#5247426 - 08/28/10 06:08 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: FishFinder Frank]
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Excellent information, the fact that the water temp didnt start to change until around 26 to 27 feet, affirms my belief that crappie react more to light conditions than they do temperture. they can regulate thier body temp for the most part, but the uv light they cant shield out.
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#5247507 - 08/28/10 07:29 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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Originally Posted By: leanin post
Excellent information, the fact that the water temp didnt start to change until around 26 to 27 feet, affirms my belief that crappie react more to light conditions than they do temperture. they can regulate thier body temp for the most part, but the uv light they cant shield out.


How do you propose the fish is regulating its body temp?
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#5247542 - 08/28/10 07:54 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: ZackP]
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#5249085 - 08/28/10 06:47 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: ZackP]
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Originally Posted By: leanin post
Excellent information, the fact that the water temp didnt start to change until around 26 to 27 feet, affirms my belief that crappie react more to light conditions than they do temperture. they can regulate thier body temp for the most part, but the uv light they cant shield out.


How do you propose the fish is regulating its body temp?



because fish are cold blooded, they must regulate thier own body temp.
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#5249092 - 08/28/10 06:50 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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You can take a goldfish, freeze him in a bowl of water, in the freezer overnight, take it out the next day, let it thaw, and he will be swinmming around like a champ.. How do you propose that happens?
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#5249095 - 08/28/10 06:52 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: pepop]
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Originally Posted By: pepop
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thats so 80s pepop today they have tiebow and yoga. cheers
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#5249272 - 08/28/10 08:40 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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great info
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#5249427 - 08/28/10 09:52 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: shill]
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#5249449 - 08/28/10 10:01 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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Originally Posted By: leanin post
Originally Posted By: pepop
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thats so 80s pepop today they have tiebow and yoga. cheers

Do you have to be able to see your feet to do those?

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#5249467 - 08/28/10 10:06 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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Originally Posted By: leanin post
You can take a goldfish, freeze him in a bowl of water, in the freezer overnight, take it out the next day, let it thaw, and he will be swinmming around like a champ.. How do you propose that happens?


Oh great, now I'm gonna have to go buy some goldfish and try this.

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#5249474 - 08/28/10 10:09 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: SheldonS]
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Originally Posted By: SheldonS


Interesting read, thanks for sharing SheldonS.

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#5249614 - 08/28/10 11:39 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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" because fish are cold blooded, they must regulate their own body temp."

Not to mean to offend, but your statement would mean that warm-blooded animals don't regulate their own body temperature. If this is the case, what is regulating a mammals body temp? You have it backwards. In warm-blooded mammals, this is why we have a hypothalamus--so that our bodies can regulate our own temperature. In order for a fish to regulate its temp, it must seek water that is at a temperature conducive to its needs. Some fish, such as sharks and some other "marine" species can themoregulate to a certain extent, but they have a different physiology that allows them to do this rather than the hypothalamus. You can freeze a goldfish in a pond and thaw it out due to its ability to switch from aerobic metabolism (using oxygen as an energy source) to anaerobic metabolism (using glucose C-6 H-12 O-6) in its blood) to break the oxygen off of the glucose as an energy source. The fish is in a state of hibernation; but it's heart hasn't completely stopped. If you truly freeze a goldfish, it will die. Buy one, put in some water in the freezer for about an hour and it will probably be ok. Leave it in there for a week and it will probably deader than a doornail (I'm not sure exactly how long it will take). Now...if it was truly and "completely" frozen in both circumstances, why wouldn't the results be the same? Just a thought.
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#5249903 - 08/29/10 08:26 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: Destroyer]
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Originally Posted By: Destroyer
" because fish are cold blooded, they must regulate their own body temp."

Not to mean to offend, but your statement would mean that warm-blooded animals don't regulate their own body temperature. If this is the case, what is regulating a mammals body temp? You have it backwards. In warm-blooded mammals, this is why we have a hypothalamus--so that our bodies can regulate our own temperature. In order for a fish to regulate its temp, it must seek water that is at a temperature conducive to its needs. Some fish, such as sharks and some other "marine" species can themoregulate to a certain extent, but they have a different physiology that allows them to do this rather than the hypothalamus. You can freeze a goldfish in a pond and thaw it out due to its ability to switch from aerobic metabolism (using oxygen as an energy source) to anaerobic metabolism (using glucose C-6 H-12 O-6) in its blood) to break the oxygen off of the glucose as an energy source. The fish is in a state of hibernation; but it's heart hasn't completely stopped. If you truly freeze a goldfish, it will die. Buy one, put in some water in the freezer for about an hour and it will probably be ok. Leave it in there for a week and it will probably deader than a doornail (I'm not sure exactly how long it will take). Now...if it was truly and "completely" frozen in both circumstances, why wouldn't the results be the same? Just a thought.

How did you make that huge leap? I never said anything abt warm blooded creatures? Also if youvr never saw a goldfish frozen in water, than how can you know that it isnt possible.? Woukd you like to make a friendly wager? I have seen goldfish frozen solid in an outdoor birdbath for 2 days, and they were alive when the water thawed.


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#5249912 - 08/29/10 08:34 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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Also, you are completely wrong abt how humans regulate out own temperture, we regulate it in different ways, one way is thru evaporation, thats how our bodys cool themselves, its not just one mechanism . Fish cant cool themselves thru evaporation because they live in water. Dont try to compare apples to oranges.
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#5250300 - 08/29/10 11:06 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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#5250377 - 08/29/10 11:41 AM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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Don't get argumentative. The first words out of my mouth earlier were "not to offend". I never said that I have not seen a goldfish "frozen" in a water trough, what I said was, I didn't know how long one could survive in frozen water. Eventually it will die. And I am not wrong on how humans regulate their temp. What do you think tells your body to sweat so that the sweat can evaporate to begin with? The hypothalamus. Please Explain how a fish can self regulate its temp. All I am doing is asking questions. Coming on this board is sometimes like watching the discovery channel and I want to know more.
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#5250587 - 08/29/10 12:59 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: Destroyer]
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#5250651 - 08/29/10 01:28 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: pepop]
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#5250666 - 08/29/10 01:33 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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#5250678 - 08/29/10 01:37 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: Destroyer]
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Don't get argumentative. The first words out of my mouth earlier were "not to offend". I never said that I have not seen a goldfish "frozen" in a water trough, what I said was, I didn't know how long one could survive in frozen water. Eventually it will die. And I am not wrong on how humans regulate their temp. What do you think tells your body to sweat so that the sweat can evaporate to begin with? The hypothalamus. Please Explain how a fish can self regulate its temp. All I am doing is asking questions. Coming on this board is sometimes like watching the discovery channel and I want to know more.

how did this post get so technical? do you not believe that fish are cold blooded creatures? all of the scientific mumbo jumbo is quite impressive, and im sure it took a while to research it on the internet, but the bottom line is, that fish can regulate thier body temp. have you ever caught a fish in cold water?..., when you feel them they are warm. Also, alot of fish are caught deep in the winter. The sun isnt on the bottom of the lake, its shining on the top of the lake, they dont care, they are down there regulating my friend.
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#5251455 - 08/29/10 06:37 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: leanin post]
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I didn't mean to get technical. And I didn't have to research it (I have a Masters degree in biology) . I was just confused about your statement that fish can regulate their own body temperature. They can't regulate their temperature through metabolism. No cold blooded creature can. Their body temperature rises and falls with their environment. Now, with that being said, I think what you mean is that they try to regulate their body temp. through behavior, like swimming up or down in the water column. Yes, hands down, I completely agree with that. I apologize for the discussion. I believe that I must have mis-understood what you were saying.
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#5251565 - 08/29/10 07:17 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: Destroyer]
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Originally Posted By: Destroyer
I didn't mean to get technical. And I didn't have to research it (I have a Masters degree in biology) . I was just confused about your statement that fish can regulate their own body temperature. They can't regulate their temperature through metabolism. No cold blooded creature can. Their body temperature rises and falls with their environment. Now, with that being said, I think what you mean is that they try to regulate their body temp. through behavior, like swimming up or down in the water column. Yes, hands down, I completely agree with that. I apologize for the discussion. I believe that I must have mis-understood what you were saying.


you went to wallmart and got you a goldfish didnt ya?
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#5251709 - 08/29/10 07:55 PM Re: Excellent thermocline post [Re: Destroyer]
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Originally Posted By: Destroyer
I didn't mean to get technical. And I didn't have to research it (I have a Masters degree in biology) . I was just confused about your statement that fish can regulate their own body temperature. They can't regulate their temperature through metabolism. No cold blooded creature can. Their body temperature rises and falls with their environment. Now, with that being said, I think what you mean is that they try to regulate their body temp. through behavior, like swimming up or down in the water column. Yes, hands down, I completely agree with that. I apologize for the discussion. I believe that I must have mis-understood what you were saying.


I took his post the same way you did. He implied (as I read it) that fish need not worry about water temps as they were able to regulate their body temps which is patently false.
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