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#5122540 - 07/23/10 01:40 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
Who doesn't get an hour lunch?

I dont "get" a lunch. Somedays I take one but not all of the time.

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#5122543 - 07/23/10 01:40 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Marc]
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#5122564 - 07/23/10 01:44 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: OldFrog]
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Ok, I realize not everyone "gets" a lunch. But a salaried desk job, I think it's safe to assume 9-7 includes a lunch. But you know what they say about when you assume...

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#5122582 - 07/23/10 01:48 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
Ok, I realize not everyone "gets" a lunch. But a salaried desk job, I think it's safe to assume 9-7 includes a lunch. But you know what they say about when you assume...


During the summer my wife goes to a 10 hour day with a 30 minute lunch and they get Fridays off. Rest of the year they work 8 hours with 1 hour lunch.

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#5122583 - 07/23/10 01:48 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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4k a month is good if you learn to live within those bounds. I have supported my family on that amount for the last few years. Momma stays home and I work some PM calls for a little mad money, but it is indeed a good livin if you let it.
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#5122596 - 07/23/10 01:50 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: nascarchuck]
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Originally Posted By: nascarchuck
During the summer my wife goes to a 10 hour day with a 30 minute lunch and they get Fridays off.


Hey, I'd take that deal!

What does she do?


Edited by Bill Waldschmidt (07/23/10 01:50 PM)

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#5122599 - 07/23/10 01:51 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Chase ™]
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I don't get a lunch.
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#5122603 - 07/23/10 01:52 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
nascarchuck Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
Originally Posted By: nascarchuck
During the summer my wife goes to a 10 hour day with a 30 minute lunch and they get Fridays off.


Hey, I'd take that deal!

What does she do?


HR for a local college.

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#5122605 - 07/23/10 01:52 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: m@r]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Ray
Originally Posted By: cantcatch5
If it involves any math you can count out a few of the people above who have already posted! LOL

$4,000 per month for a 60 hour week is the equivalent of around $13.20 per hour at an hourly job.

Jason


Add reading comprehension to the math and you can include yourself. It is $4k a month.
And 4k a month is 48000 a year or 923 a week. 923 divided by 60 hours is 15 and change an hour.


...and you were so sure of yourself weren't you?

At an hourly desk job you get paid time and a half for each hour over 40 worked per week. 40 hours at regular pay plus 20 at time and a half equals 70 hours of pay per week. $4,000 divided by 4.33 weeks on average per month divided by 70 hours of pay equals what? That is right $13.20 per hour equivalent at an hourly job for this salaried job. LOL

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#5122621 - 07/23/10 01:57 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: cantcatch5]
Bill Waldschmidt Offline
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Originally Posted By: cantcatch5
Originally Posted By: Mark Ray
Originally Posted By: cantcatch5
If it involves any math you can count out a few of the people above who have already posted! LOL

$4,000 per week for a 60 hour week is the equivalent of around $13.20 per hour at an hourly job.

Jason


Add reading comprehension to the math and you can include yourself. It is $4k a month.
And 4k a month is 48000 a year or 923 a week. 923 divided by 60 hours is 15 and change an hour.


...and you were so sure of yourself weren't you?

At an hourly desk job you get paid time and a half for each hour over 40 worked per week. 40 hours at regular pay plus 20 at time and a half equals 70 hours of pay per week. $4,000 divided by 4.33 weeks on average per month divided by 70 hours of pay equals what? That is right $13.20 per hour equivalent at an hourly job for this salaried job. LOL

Jason


Wrong again.

No Texas law that says companies must pay overtime.

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#5122636 - 07/23/10 02:00 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: cantcatch5]
m@r Offline
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Originally Posted By: cantcatch5
Originally Posted By: Mark Ray
Originally Posted By: cantcatch5
If it involves any math you can count out a few of the people above who have already posted! LOL

$4,000 per month for a 60 hour week is the equivalent of around $13.20 per hour at an hourly job.

Jason


Add reading comprehension to the math and you can include yourself. It is $4k a month.
And 4k a month is 48000 a year or 923 a week. 923 divided by 60 hours is 15 and change an hour.


...and you were so sure of yourself weren't you?

At an hourly desk job you get paid time and a half for each hour over 40 worked per week. 40 hours at regular pay plus 20 at time and a half equals 70 hours of pay per week. $4,000 divided by 4.33 weeks on average per month divided by 70 hours of pay equals what? That is right $13.20 per hour equivalent at an hourly job for this salaried job. LOL

Jason


Easy, quick draw. Keep reading and see that I agreed w/ you.

And yes, Bill unless you are classified as salared exempt they must pay you OT.
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#5122640 - 07/23/10 02:01 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: m@r]
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It's fed law...not state.
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#5122647 - 07/23/10 02:02 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: OldFrog]
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why not let them eat lunch

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#5122656 - 07/23/10 02:04 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: OldFrog]
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Man, how many ways can we cut this math? 60 hours per week, salaried exempt, not hourly is roughly 240 hours/month. $4,000/240 = $16.67

What am I missing here?
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#5122667 - 07/23/10 02:07 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: fouzman]
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#5122672 - 07/23/10 02:07 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: OldFrog]
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Anyone heartless enough to say no TFF to their employes would probably turn up their noses at labor laws anyway and not pay the overtime if it were hourly anyway!

Fouz we can do that easy math but that is no fun.

Sorry, Mark I didn't see that. My typing is so bad/slow I have to read really fast to make up for it LOL.

Jason

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#5122678 - 07/23/10 02:08 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: fouzman]
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Tell me more about this required overtime thing. I've worked many a job that did pay overtime, and many a job that did not.

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#5122686 - 07/23/10 02:09 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
Tell me more about this required overtime thing. I've worked many a job that did pay overtime, and many a job that did not.


Were you hourly non exempt? Agriculture does not have to pay OT and possibly others.

Jason

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#5122693 - 07/23/10 02:12 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: fouzman]
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Can't catch5 has it right. It is the equivelant of a 13.20 hour job with 20 hours of OT built into the compensation every week.

What you are missing is you are doing 60 times 4 to get the monthly. To be accurate you have to do the monthly pay times 12 months and divide that by 52 weeks per year. That gives you the amount per week. Divide that by 60.
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#5122696 - 07/23/10 02:12 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
Brian Spagnola Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
Who doesn't get an hour lunch?



This person gets lunch, that is as long as it takes to eat. Then back to worky.

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#5122701 - 07/23/10 02:13 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: cantcatch5]
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Until graduating and getting a real job, I never really payed attention. I filled out my paperwork, came to work when they said, and picked up my paychecks. But I know for sure that I worked well over 40 hours some weeks, and never saw overtime in some jobs.

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#5122730 - 07/23/10 02:18 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: m@r]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Ray
Can't catch5 has it right. It is the equivelant of a 13.20 hour job with 20 hours of OT built into the compensation every week.

What you are missing is you are doing 60 times 4 to get the monthly. To be accurate you have to do the monthly pay times 12 months and divide that by 52 weeks per year. That gives you the amount per week. Divide that by 60.


comes up to 15.38 that way. I had already come up with that number, too. Just got there a little differently. 52 weeks x60 =3120 hours. $48,000/3120 = 15.38

I'm so confused!


Edited by fouzman (07/23/10 02:20 PM)
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#5122734 - 07/23/10 02:19 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: Bill Waldschmidt]
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I used to work for this asian dude that owned a furniture store in the mall. He owned a mattress store on the other side of the mall. And a leather good store in the middle.
I worked 40 hours at one store. 40 hours at the other store. and how many other hours he could squeeze outta me at the last store.
Illegal as all get out but i was young, needed the money, and didn't ask no questions about it.
Working on the other side of the management desk for so long now, I know employment laws much better than I did when I was that hourly worker. Lot of ways to screw over the workin' man if he don't aquaint himself with the laws and stand up for himself.
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#5122744 - 07/23/10 02:21 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: m@r]
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But Brian, to answer your question, I think that is a fair salary for a young person with some snap benefits or not.
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#5122745 - 07/23/10 02:21 PM Re: Is 4,000 a month a good living? [Re: fouzman]
m@r Offline
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: Mark Ray
Can't catch5 has it right. It is the equivelant of a 13.20 hour job with 20 hours of OT built into the compensation every week.

What you are missing is you are doing 60 times 4 to get the monthly. To be accurate you have to do the monthly pay times 12 months and divide that by 52 weeks per year. That gives you the amount per week. Divide that by 60.


comes up to 15.38 that way.


Yea, which is what I posted first but catch pointed out that if it were an hourly job the person would get OT for 20 hours a week. So at 13.20 an hour it is 5 hundred something for the first 40 and another 300 something for the last 20 at time and a half which comes out to 924 or whatever it was.
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