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#5068172 - 07/08/10 02:40 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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Originally Posted By: sputterfuss
Have not had the need to use any sort of pest control on the squash, and it is in a separate bed removed from the rest of the garden. Pollination seems to be the problem though. I've never had to manually pollinate before but that may be what is required. These plants get full sun from first light till around 3 o'clock. Have'nt seen any squash bugs. Can't see what else would cause poor production. Healthiest squash PLANTS I've ever had.
I'll have to man up and try the lemon and salt Siberman. Will get back to ya!
Are they only producing male flowers?
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#5068379 - 07/08/10 03:22 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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Originally Posted By: sputterfuss
Have not had the need to use any sort of pest control on the squash, and it is in a separate bed removed from the rest of the garden. Pollination seems to be the problem though. I've never had to manually pollinate before but that may be what is required. These plants get full sun from first light till around 3 o'clock. Have'nt seen any squash bugs. Can't see what else would cause poor production. Healthiest squash PLANTS I've ever had.
I'll have to man up and try the lemon and salt Siberman. Will get back to ya!
Wow , habeneros lemon and salt. Might be ok going down but coming out is what worries me. rolfmao I stopped growing habeneros they were just to hot to enjoy with anything. I make hot sauce with them and only use 1 pepper which kind of defeats the use of peppers in sauce for me. I like the texture you get from the peppers skin in sauce. With Habeneros the hot is there but no texture since I only used 1 pepper.
How far are your squash from the other plants? If there close and you have dusted like crazy to get rid of the squash bugs it would still kill bees in the whole area. I have been using Neem Oil this year, last year I had to kill entire garden because of squash bugs. It does not effect bees either. This year I have had one squash bug . Neem oil will not kill them on contact but will repel them when they come to your garden to eat. But for now you will have to manually pollinate. Unless , you got some weird strain with male flowers only.


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#5068620 - 07/08/10 04:04 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Have not used Sevin at all. Did have a go round with Malathion for stink bugs waaay before harvest. Funny thing is cucumbers growing into the tomatoes now, are having no problems w/ pollination. Saw some disscusion about male blooms on squash awhile back, guess I'll ask...how is a male squash bloom different from any other. I thought the flower had both male and female parts.

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#5068659 - 07/08/10 04:12 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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How old are they? Younger plants will produce males until it matures then it will start to produce females. the female has a little squash behind the flower the male has a stem behind the flower. You will see what looks like a squash starting to grow (female) but if it does not get pollinated it will die and fall off at about 2 inches. It is a little off that cucumbers are fine and squash is not producing.
Have you seen any other pest on your squash? I had cucumber beetles eating the insides of the blooms last year also.


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#5069072 - 07/08/10 05:59 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Squash was planted in April. I've seen both types of blooms, nothing ever comes of the females. Have never noticed any insects, particulary in the blooms. The plants are about to succumb to squash vine borers, in the past seasons that has happened long after a successfull harvest. Most of the plants are still healthy, but the damage is evident. Probably one for the books at this point.
Tried the habanero! Fresh, no lemon or salt. Kinda lazy today. I was careful to avoid the seeds. Did'nt send me into orbit. Still prefer a good serrano.

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#5069080 - 07/08/10 06:02 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Planted the Earth Box and Topsy Turvy the same day with. I think the Earth box wins.



Gonna have a few Jal`s this year. thumb

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#5069190 - 07/08/10 06:26 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: mysavioreigns]
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).

Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.

I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.


Pick your corn when the silk turns brown. thumb

I learned a few things from some "south of the border" friends about corn. Try planting in 12' x 12' blocks with 1' spacing between plants and rows. The roots will grow together and help support the plants. Pollination will be easier and the plants will shade out weeds. You can also plant climbing beans or Morning Glory around the corn stalks to aid with nitrogen ( make sure you really want Morning Glory before you plant it ). Squash and pumpkin vines growing around the base of your corn will discourage raccoons.

Be sure to plant plenty of fish heads. grin
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#5069278 - 07/08/10 06:48 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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Originally Posted By: sputterfuss

Tried the habanero! Fresh, no lemon or salt. Kinda lazy today. I was careful to avoid the seeds. Did'nt send me into orbit. Still prefer a good serrano.


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#5069287 - 07/08/10 06:50 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: SkinnyT]
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Yup. I've tried the upside down planters for a couple of years now. Don't believe the hype (or info-mercials).
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#5069301 - 07/08/10 06:56 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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Originally Posted By: sputterfuss
Squash was planted in April. I've seen both types of blooms, nothing ever comes of the females. Have never noticed any insects, particulary in the blooms. The plants are about to succumb to squash vine borers, in the past seasons that has happened long after a successfull harvest. Most of the plants are still healthy, but the damage is evident. Probably one for the books at this point.
Tried the habanero! Fresh, no lemon or salt. Kinda lazy today. I was careful to avoid the seeds. Did'nt send me into orbit. Still prefer a good serrano.
If you have seen both then they are not getting pollinated and you will have to manually polinate. I posted a vid from you tube a while back I see if I can find it. The bee population from what I have read is declining and it could be you just dont have them in the area.
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#5069303 - 07/08/10 06:57 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Wow , habeneros lemon and salt. Might be ok going down but coming out is what worries me. rolfmao I stopped growing habeneros they were just to hot to enjoy with anything.

Wuss. grin

I make hot sauce with them and only use 1 pepper which kind of defeats the use of peppers in sauce for me. I like the texture you get from the peppers skin in sauce. With Habeneros the hot is there but no texture since I only used 1 pepper.

Don't skin/ core your tomatoes and use the green part of the onions as well as the cilantro stems.
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#5069304 - 07/08/10 06:57 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: SkinnyT]
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Originally Posted By: SkinnyT
Planted the Earth Box and Topsy Turvy the same day with. I think the Earth box wins.



Gonna have a few Jal`s this year. thumb
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#5069323 - 07/08/10 07:02 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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You are right about the tomatoes they do have the male and female parts in each blossom. Squash is a little different.I have done it like this.

The Flower-to-Flower Technique

This is one pollinating technique where no tools are necessary; all that's needed are the flowers themselves. To hand-pollinate using the flower to flower technique, a male flower is picked off a vine. The petals should be gently pulled off and the middle part of the flower (stamen) should be rubbed all over the female flower’s middle part (pistil). The flower is now pollinated.

Read more at Suite101: Hand-Pollinate Cucumbers, Pumpkins, and Squash: Using Hand-Pollinating Techniques in the Vegetable Garden http://vegetablegardens.suite101.com/art...h#ixzz0t8fA28ag


Check about 1:50



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#5069355 - 07/08/10 07:13 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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#5069837 - 07/08/10 09:10 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).

Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.

I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.


Pick your corn when the silk turns brown. thumb

I learned a few things from some "south of the border" friends about corn. Try planting in 12' x 12' blocks with 1' spacing between plants and rows. The roots will grow together and help support the plants. Pollination will be easier and the plants will shade out weeds. You can also plant climbing beans or Morning Glory around the corn stalks to aid with nitrogen ( make sure you really want Morning Glory before you plant it ). Squash and pumpkin vines growing around the base of your corn will discourage raccoons.

Be sure to plant plenty of fish heads. grin


thumb on the fish heads! I just got a new free cast net, and will hopefully be pulling them in, in the spring.

Man I've got a lot of carp to add to the soil. Literally and figuratively.
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#5069863 - 07/08/10 09:16 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: mysavioreigns]
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).

Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.

I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.


Pick your corn when the silk turns brown. thumb

I learned a few things from some "south of the border" friends about corn. Try planting in 12' x 12' blocks with 1' spacing between plants and rows. The roots will grow together and help support the plants. Pollination will be easier and the plants will shade out weeds. You can also plant climbing beans or Morning Glory around the corn stalks to aid with nitrogen ( make sure you really want Morning Glory before you plant it ). Squash and pumpkin vines growing around the base of your corn will discourage raccoons.

Be sure to plant plenty of fish heads. grin


thumb on the fish heads! I just got a new free cast net, and will hopefully be pulling them in, in the spring.

Man I've got a lot of carp to add to the soil. Literally and figuratively.
I am still trying to catch fish to do that. rolfmao
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#5069982 - 07/08/10 09:44 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Thanks for the pollination tip, Tin Head, makes more sense than using some type of brush.

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#5071269 - 07/09/10 09:31 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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I need some help with the weeds in my garden. How are people controlling them? I am going to start from scratch after this planting season. Thanks for the help.
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#5071587 - 07/09/10 10:42 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Gonzz]
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My peppers are still green...guess I am glad I didn't pull them last week...going to wait another few days and see if I get any color....anybody make anything special with Mexi-Bells? Or just use them to cook normal bell pepper dishes ? Just curious...
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#5071619 - 07/09/10 10:49 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Gonzz]
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I usually just walk around and pull them when I see them pop up. You could mulch which will block the weeds from growing and retain moisture in your soil during our hot months. I just bought some wheat straw as mulch it does not affect ph and will not absorb nutrients sprayed on garden like wood will. Also at the end of the season you can till it into the soil for next year. Wheat straw is 7 dollars a bail at the feed store. You can also try this http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/VinegarKillsWeeds.html . You might be able to use what you have at home if not I have seen the garden grade vinegar at lowes.
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#5071795 - 07/09/10 11:34 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Gonzz I've got a bale of wheat straw if you want to buy it for a few bucks. I'm not too far from you. Might be cheaper to just buy it from a feed store, though.
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#5078592 - 07/11/10 12:37 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: mysavioreigns]
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WOOO HOOOO that past week of rain and cool weather did great in the garden. I had some maters that got so juiced up they popped,lol. I love when it rains you can see plants grow a few inches in hours. Just did a lot of trimming and cutting off older growth.


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#5079090 - 07/11/10 04:15 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
WOOO HOOOO that past week of rain and cool weather did great in the garden. I had some maters that got so juiced up they popped,lol. I love when it rains you can see plants grow a few inches in hours. Just did a lot of trimming and cutting off older growth.


Love what it did for the garden but the bahaia grass grew about 2 feet. rolleyes
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#5079901 - 07/11/10 08:59 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: Tin Head
WOOO HOOOO that past week of rain and cool weather did great in the garden. I had some maters that got so juiced up they popped,lol. I love when it rains you can see plants grow a few inches in hours. Just did a lot of trimming and cutting off older growth.


Love what it did for the garden but the bahaia grass grew about 2 feet. rolleyes
rolfmao
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#5082994 - 07/12/10 05:38 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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The rain did wonders for mine too.. Actually got a few new fruits showing up on the maters. Had uproot a squash plant today though, as it had got wiped out by friggin rollie polleys. bastages didn't like the 1/2 gallon of sevin I just sprayed on them though.


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