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#4768651 - 04/22/10 02:49 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...

New growth is always a lighter green...
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#4769255 - 04/22/10 05:08 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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#1 does anyone dump lawn clippings in your garden
#2 i have clay for soil..i have dumped mushroom compost and pro mix 40-40-20 and mixed it in but still have too much clay what would you add to help with clumping and drainage,i have spent alot of money on dirt and still need more even with all the good dirt i still cant grow radishes onions or carrots
#3 how tall do you let your tomatos get before trimming

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#4769604 - 04/22/10 06:38 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...

New growth is always a lighter green...


lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.

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#4770023 - 04/22/10 08:14 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: JDavis7873®]
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Originally Posted By: JDavis7873®
Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...

New growth is always a lighter green...


lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.

It can be, it depends on how old the growth is...

You can add chicken poo, that's great for nitrogen, but adding too much can be damaging...If you're not trying to go organic, you can buy some Miracle Gro in granular form and hoe it around the plants. Or just take a high nitrogen fertilizer and put it about 3 inches AWAY from the stem of the plant...The danger with this is nitrogen should really be added around the root system (the root system will go out as far out as the leaf growth)...
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#4771213 - 04/23/10 06:35 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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here is a link for making your own liquid nitrogen for your garden. the dude is a goofball but has some great results on gardening.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Praxxus55712#p/u/34/GCbeALuAYsg


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#4771538 - 04/23/10 08:08 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: jeffnsa]
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JDavis, if you're ever down here near Mansfield stop by. I'll give you a free bag of rabbit poo thumb grin


Here's a picture of my trellises I put up.



The beds are 4x4 each, and the trellises are 7' tall by 5' wide.
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#4771572 - 04/23/10 08:18 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: JDavis7873®]
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Originally Posted By: JDavis7873®
Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...

New growth is always a lighter green...


lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.



It may be coincidence but, I buried a fish carcass under my 'maters a couple weeks ago and they have started to green up nicely.
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#4771599 - 04/23/10 08:25 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: DHFisher]
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Originally Posted By: JDavis7873®
Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...

New growth is always a lighter green...


lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.



It may be coincidence but, I buried a fish carcass under my 'maters a couple weeks ago and they have started to green up nicely.
I bet...thumb
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#4772247 - 04/23/10 10:48 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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I am going to get a soil test done by a lab to be sure. I have rechecked with the liquid testers and seem to be getting different readings. bang The first is 7.5 and the second seems to be 8.5. I did get the soil tested last year and added what the lab said I needed. This season I added about 50% compost, so its 50% compost and 50 % last years soil. I also read that compost would be best to bring ph down to nuetral but that woul take time. I have to get the soil tested to be sure. The yellowing that I am claiming could also be from the plants that I got were raised in high nitrogen and 2 weeks later after planting the high nitrogen has been used up and the organinc levels are not that great.


Edited by Tin Head (04/23/10 10:49 AM)
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#4772729 - 04/23/10 12:34 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
I am going to get a soil test done by a lab to be sure. I have rechecked with the liquid testers and seem to be getting different readings. bang The first is 7.5 and the second seems to be 8.5. I did get the soil tested last year and added what the lab said I needed. This season I added about 50% compost, so its 50% compost and 50 % last years soil. I also read that compost would be best to bring ph down to nuetral but that woul take time. I have to get the soil tested to be sure. The yellowing that I am claiming could also be from the plants that I got were raised in high nitrogen and 2 weeks later after planting the high nitrogen has been used up and the organinc levels are not that great.
I hate to read the problems you are having...I know how frustrating it is when you have such high hopes for the garden and things just don't seem to be working out right...2004 was that way for me...I had to plant the garden twice due to 10 inches of rain in less than 12 hours...Then I ended up with cucumber plants (among others) all over the yard...I had some beautiful cucumbers 25 feet from the garden...

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#4772744 - 04/23/10 12:36 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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I have blooms on 90% of my tomato plants and another 8% will be blooming within the next 3 days...The last 2 percent are about 7 - 10 days from blooming...I do have some tomatoes coming on already...banana

I also have some pepper plants already blooming which surprises me, but I'm not complaining...

I spanked all the tomato plants that were in bloom this morning...I'm praying for a bumper crop...
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#4772911 - 04/23/10 01:09 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Whats the best way to raise ph the organic way? Mine seems to be in the 5.5 to 6.5 range
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#4772937 - 04/23/10 01:13 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: AdvTX]
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Whats the best way to raise ph the organic way? Mine seems to be in the 5.5 to 6.5 range
You can add potassium hydroxide, dolomite lime, bone meal, crushed oyster shells, or hardwood ash.
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#4773597 - 04/23/10 03:47 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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I have a lime and lemon bush, both loaded with new fruit on them. Just noticed some lil green worms starting to munch on the leaves.

What should I nuke them with??
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#4773617 - 04/23/10 03:50 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: RipDaLips]
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I have a lime and lemon bush, both loaded with new fruit on them. Just noticed some lil green worms starting to munch on the leaves.

What should I nuke them with??
I've never grown fruit trees, but at first blush I'd say Sevin Dust...
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#4773777 - 04/23/10 04:25 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: 30ft jon boat]
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#1 does anyone dump lawn clippings in your garden

You take a big chance of introducing grass and weed seeds that way. If you're cutting short enough to eliminate any seeds it might be ok but your best bet is to compost your clippings. The heat should kill any undesireables.

#2 i have clay for soil..i have dumped mushroom compost and pro mix 40-40-20 and mixed it in but still have too much clay what would you add to help with clumping and drainage,i have spent alot of money on dirt and still need more even with all the good dirt i still cant grow radishes onions or carrots

You'd probably do better looking into raised beds (not necessarily the "frame" type. You could use a harrower to make your rows several inches taller than the surrounding soil). From what I've heard , carrots like a really deep bed but if you're having trouble with radishes you might want to get a soil test kit. Somethin' ain't right.

#3 how tall do you let your tomatos get before trimming

Never trimmed a tomato plant.


Edited by Siberman (04/23/10 04:30 PM)
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#4776658 - 04/24/10 02:31 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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thanks siberman,i have had 8ft tall tomato plants so i have decided to trim them at 5ft this year

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#4779514 - 04/25/10 05:42 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Corn, squash , cucumbers and black-eyes are up. Been eating asparagus and turnip greens for a while now. Planted okra Thursday . Gonna start planting icebox watermelons , eggplant and cantalopes Monday.
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#4779542 - 04/25/10 05:50 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: 30ft jon boat]
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thanks siberman,i have had 8ft tall tomato plants so i have decided to trim them at 5ft this year


You probably have indeterminate (vining plants like cherry tomatoes ) that keep growing / setting fruit throughout their life cycle. Determinate plants usually grow up to a certain size and produce their fruit all at once.

Wondering what good it does to trim them (anybody) ? Does it help the fruit reach a larger size more quickly or are you just pruning to keep the plants under control ?
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#4779599 - 04/25/10 06:01 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: ROOKIE 07
thanks siberman,i have had 8ft tall tomato plants so i have decided to trim them at 5ft this year


You probably have indeterminate (vining plants like cherry tomatoes ) that keep growing / setting fruit throughout their life cycle. Determinate plants usually grow up to a certain size and produce their fruit all at once.

Wondering what good it does to trim them (anybody) ? Does it help the fruit reach a larger size more quickly or are you just pruning to keep the plants under control ?
Some swear by it others say no need hmmm
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#4779608 - 04/25/10 06:04 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman

Wondering what good it does to trim them (anybody) ? Does it help the fruit reach a larger size more quickly or are you just pruning to keep the plants under control ?


I don't know about helping the fruit, but if you trim the tops they will tend to put out more limbs sideways for a bushier plant. This can help you REACH the fruit if you are looking at 8 foot plants!

By the same token, if you are crowding many plants on one trellis, if you will pinch out the limbs that grow sideways, it will encourage upwards growth and keep the different plants from crowding/shading each other.
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#4779631 - 04/25/10 06:15 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Henry Hefner]
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I'm 6'1" so 8' plants aren't a problem. cool I can see where making the plants bush out more could be helpful, though. Do the side branches set as much fruit as the upper ones ?
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#4779960 - 04/25/10 08:00 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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anyone know what these are?
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#4780554 - 04/25/10 10:08 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
I'm 6'1" so 8' plants aren't a problem. cool I can see where making the plants bush out more could be helpful, though. Do the side branches set as much fruit as the upper ones ?


From what I've read, size of the fruit is partially determined by how many fruit are growing on the plant, so if you have a great number of fruit, they will all be smaller than if you prune back "extra" branches. Looking at it from common sense instead of book learning, I can see that the roots can only handle so much plant and fruit. If you give it less plant to support, there will be more energy and food for fruit.
Here is an interesting article written by someone who knows more than I do:
http://www.finegardening.com/how-to/articles/pruning-tomatoes.aspx
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#4780767 - 04/25/10 11:02 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
anyone know what these are?
In the top pic could be aphids that have been hit by a parasitic wasp. Have you had aphids? If so, you have an unseen accomplice in your corner. Bottom pic looks like empty egg casings of some sort, possibly some type of beneficial insect. I'm pretty sure it's all good news, but keep an eye out for aphids. Have you used any insecticide at this point? What type of leaf sample is this?


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