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#4664045 - 03/27/10 05:28 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: madchad]
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I am tilling the garden right now getting ready to plant. Last year I had the soil tested and added everything that was missing(so I thought). My plants still did not produce though. At the end of the season when I pulled the plants the root systems were better but still small to me and the soil still felt to dense. I just got a pick up bed full of compost to add to the soil (7'X14') and have been tilling yesterday and today and still have about 2 more days to go until it really dries out and mixes evenly. I do all organic and hope this year it really produces , the last 2 years sucked.
Anyone know where I can find some chicken poop or any other poop that I can add in now while I am tilling? I tried to use bat poop last year but its expensive and would cost to much to try and till in.


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#4664151 - 03/27/10 06:08 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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If you were in the mid-cities area. Green Mamma's in NRH has some good stuff.
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#4664624 - 03/27/10 08:06 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Great thread, LSS!
My wife always gets frustrated. She tries growing tomatoes and peppers, and as soon as they start to ripen, the birds come along and peck one hole in each of them, as if they are making fun of her. When she grows cantaloupe or squash, she gets fire-ant bit when harvesting. She will not eat anything that has had poison around it, so I couldn't keep the ants out. Netting on tomatoes, meant holes poked in every tomato that touched the netting. This year I decided was going to be her year, so I built her an anti-bird cage, with everything raised up to "no-bending" height for comfort AND so I can keep the ants poisoned away from the growing soil. While building it, she decided that she might want more than it would hold, so I raised some containers for plants the birds tend to ignore outside the cage.


Door is on the back side of this picture, shelves are slanted away from the walkway so watering doesn't leave you with wet feet.


This cage is 8'x8'x8', and I used one 16' cattle panel cut in half to make tomato supports. These panels hang in notches cut in 2x4's, and can be pushed back against the wall if not needed. I put removable "windows" behind the tomato trellis to harvest the hard-to-reach beauties. This year, if we fail to have a good harvest, it will be because of my black thumbs or the weather, birds and ants will not be an excuse! Tomatoes are on the south wall so they don't shade the other plants. There is room for smaller plants on the shelf in front of them. All wood is pressure treated, and bird wire is 1" galvanized. The cost for everything(except plants and containers) was between $200 and $250.

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#4665110 - 03/27/10 09:57 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: AdvTX]
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Have six silver lace wyandottes & one production red right now. Got them last May 22 from Ideal Poultry. Avg. four eggs a day right now. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the wyandottes for dissposition, seem more destructive than dominiques we had in the past. Prod. Red is a sweetheart though. I.P. mails them when they are one day old. I was amazed not a single chick perished. Cats do not bother them at all once they get some size on them. Dogs can be a problem, but not as bad as I thought. Can answer many questions about getting started.

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#4665224 - 03/27/10 10:28 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Henry Hefner]
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Originally Posted By: Henry Hefner
Great thread, LSS!
My wife always gets frustrated. She tries growing tomatoes and peppers, and as soon as they start to ripen, the birds come along and peck one hole in each of them, as if they are making fun of her. When she grows cantaloupe or squash, she gets fire-ant bit when harvesting. She will not eat anything that has had poison around it, so I couldn't keep the ants out. Netting on tomatoes, meant holes poked in every tomato that touched the netting. This year I decided was going to be her year, so I built her an anti-bird cage, with everything raised up to "no-bending" height for comfort AND so I can keep the ants poisoned away from the growing soil. While building it, she decided that she might want more than it would hold, so I raised some containers for plants the birds tend to ignore outside the cage.


Door is on the back side of this picture, shelves are slanted away from the walkway so watering doesn't leave you with wet feet.


This cage is 8'x8'x8', and I used one 16' cattle panel cut in half to make tomato supports. These panels hang in notches cut in 2x4's, and can be pushed back against the wall if not needed. I put removable "windows" behind the tomato trellis to harvest the hard-to-reach beauties. This year, if we fail to have a good harvest, it will be because of my black thumbs or the weather, birds and ants will not be an excuse! Tomatoes are on the south wall so they don't shade the other plants. There is room for smaller plants on the shelf in front of them. All wood is pressure treated, and bird wire is 1" galvanized. The cost for everything(except plants and containers) was between $200 and $250.

I used rubber snakes in the garden to repel the birds , it worked.
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#4665780 - 03/28/10 07:57 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?

Thanks guys!!!
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#4666094 - 03/28/10 09:51 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Kattelyn]
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Originally Posted By: Kattelyn
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?

Thanks guys!!!
I'll see if the store down the road from me still has some and I could maybe be talked into driving somewhere near the metromess to bring them to you...
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#4666096 - 03/28/10 09:51 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Henry Hefner]
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Originally Posted By: Henry Hefner
Great thread, LSS!
My wife always gets frustrated. She tries growing tomatoes and peppers, and as soon as they start to ripen, the birds come along and peck one hole in each of them, as if they are making fun of her. When she grows cantaloupe or squash, she gets fire-ant bit when harvesting. She will not eat anything that has had poison around it, so I couldn't keep the ants out. Netting on tomatoes, meant holes poked in every tomato that touched the netting. This year I decided was going to be her year, so I built her an anti-bird cage, with everything raised up to "no-bending" height for comfort AND so I can keep the ants poisoned away from the growing soil. While building it, she decided that she might want more than it would hold, so I raised some containers for plants the birds tend to ignore outside the cage.


Door is on the back side of this picture, shelves are slanted away from the walkway so watering doesn't leave you with wet feet.


This cage is 8'x8'x8', and I used one 16' cattle panel cut in half to make tomato supports. These panels hang in notches cut in 2x4's, and can be pushed back against the wall if not needed. I put removable "windows" behind the tomato trellis to harvest the hard-to-reach beauties. This year, if we fail to have a good harvest, it will be because of my black thumbs or the weather, birds and ants will not be an excuse! Tomatoes are on the south wall so they don't shade the other plants. There is room for smaller plants on the shelf in front of them. All wood is pressure treated, and bird wire is 1" galvanized. The cost for everything(except plants and containers) was between $200 and $250.

Great looking project...How's your shark boat doing?
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#4666628 - 03/28/10 01:02 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Great looking project...How's your shark boat doing?


Well, it runs fine, and doesn't leak since I fixed the break in a live-well hose, but I think the shark teeth must scare the fish! bolt
It's a good thing that I enjoy fishing almost as much as catching!
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#4667287 - 03/28/10 05:17 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Henry Hefner]
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Excellent work. Your wife's a lucky lady. thumb

My grandfathers used tin pie plates and ribbon ( you string the long ribbon between the posts then "x" it back over itself : birds apparently think it's a trap) . I've had pretty good luck using old cds and cassette/video tape. Rubber snakes and fake owls are decent but , just like everything else , you have to keep moving them around or the birds get used to them.

Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.

I grow cantalopes and small watermelons on my chain-link fence. I cut up old pantyhose and make little hammocks so the fruit doesn't break off the vine. Works really well but I had to start planting them on the outside of the fence as my Huskies developed a taste for 'em. food


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#4667333 - 03/28/10 05:32 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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Originally Posted By: sputterfuss
Have six silver lace wyandottes & one production red right now. Got them last May 22 from Ideal Poultry. Avg. four eggs a day right now. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the wyandottes for dissposition, seem more destructive than dominiques we had in the past. Prod. Red is a sweetheart though. I.P. mails them when they are one day old. I was amazed not a single chick perished. Cats do not bother them at all once they get some size on them. Dogs can be a problem, but not as bad as I thought. Can answer many questions about getting started.


I have my own flock consisting of RI Reds, Polish Crested, Cochin and Mexican Blues. Makes for some interesting looking chicks. wink Do you use them for insect control in the garden ? I never had much luck with chickens ( even bantams ) 'cause they tend to scratch up the roots too much. Guineas , on the other hand , just walk down the rows and pick the bugs off.
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#4667437 - 03/28/10 06:17 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Kattelyn
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?

Thanks guys!!!
I'll see if the store down the road from me still has some and I could maybe be talked into driving somewhere near the metromess to bring them to you...



Oh hon that's the sweetest thing! I'm gonna be in Meridian next weekend.... is it anywhere in that general vicinity?
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#4667625 - 03/28/10 07:14 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Kattelyn]
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Originally Posted By: Kattelyn
Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Kattelyn
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?

Thanks guys!!!
I'll see if the store down the road from me still has some and I could maybe be talked into driving somewhere near the metromess to bring them to you...



Oh hon that's the sweetest thing! I'm gonna be in Meridian next weekend.... is it anywhere in that general vicinity?
Yes...The Ace Hardware in Meridian has the Homestead Tomatoes and Lampman's in Morgan had the Heatwave...I'll be by both places this week and make certain they have them...
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#4667984 - 03/28/10 08:37 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman

Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.

I grow cantalopes and small watermelons on my chain-link fence. I cut up old pantyhose and make little hammocks so the fruit doesn't break off the vine. Works really well but I had to start planting them on the outside of the fence as my Huskies developed a taste for 'em. food


Ellis county fire ants seem to thrive on corn meal, or at least I didn't have luck with it when I tried it. I may try the cantaloupe on the fence, we intended to put them beside the tomatoes, but then she bought too many tomato plants...
I think she intends to use the large containers outside for squash.
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#4667999 - 03/28/10 08:40 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Henry Hefner]
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Originally Posted By: Henry Hefner
Originally Posted By: Siberman

Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.

I grow cantalopes and small watermelons on my chain-link fence. I cut up old pantyhose and make little hammocks so the fruit doesn't break off the vine. Works really well but I had to start planting them on the outside of the fence as my Huskies developed a taste for 'em. food


Ellis county fire ants seem to thrive on corn meal, or at least I didn't have luck with it when I tried it. I may try the cantaloupe on the fence, we intended to put them beside the tomatoes, but then she bought too many tomato plants...
I think she intends to use the large containers outside for squash.
You can NEVER have too many tomato plants...Or at least that seems to have been the guiding thought behind my recent purchases/plantings...bolt
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#4668358 - 03/28/10 09:30 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Yes...The Ace Hardware in Meridian has the Homestead Tomatoes and Lampman's in Morgan had the Heatwave...I'll be by both places this week and make certain they have them...


Gone shopping at the Ace hardware a few memorable times when something critical broke unexpectedly and I know exactly where Morgan is and can't help but take note of it as that's my family's name grin

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#4668799 - 03/28/10 11:01 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: sputterfuss
Have six silver lace wyandottes & one production red right now. Got them last May 22 from Ideal Poultry. Avg. four eggs a day right now. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the wyandottes for dissposition, seem more destructive than dominiques we had in the past. Prod. Red is a sweetheart though. I.P. mails them when they are one day old. I was amazed not a single chick perished. Cats do not bother them at all once they get some size on them. Dogs can be a problem, but not as bad as I thought. Can answer many questions about getting started.


I have my own flock consisting of RI Reds, Polish Crested, Cochin and Mexican Blues. Makes for some interesting looking chicks. wink Do you use them for insect control in the garden ? I never had much luck with chickens ( even bantams ) 'cause they tend to scratch up the roots too much. Guineas , on the other hand , just walk down the rows and pick the bugs off.
Chickens, at least mine, are way to destructive for the garden. Guineas don't tend to scratch like chickens.

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#4669380 - 03/29/10 08:07 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: sputterfuss]
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I picked up my Roma tomatoes and California Bell Peppers Friday; probably will plant them tomorrow. I really need to get some mulch for the garden this week...I'll probably get wheat straw or something.

Anyone got a few dozen extra fish heads laying around? grin I need to put them in the ground before I plant my corn.
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#4669502 - 03/29/10 08:48 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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"I used rubber snakes in the garden to repel the birds , it worked"

Really? I'll try anything.

The strawberries have blooms all over them and blackberries are coming up nicely.

We spent all w.e. planting seeds(squash, cucumbers, okra, corn) and 20 diff. tomato plants and over 20 diff pepper plants.

We also cut the power line going from the garage to the house and buried it, which has been on the list for years!

Sore and tired.....back to work.



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#4669970 - 03/29/10 10:47 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: AdvTX]
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nice yard!
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#4670128 - 03/29/10 11:29 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Siberman]
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Excellent work. Your wife's a lucky lady.

Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.

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you can pee on the fire ants and they will move out. Also you can pour boiling water over them.
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#4672093 - 03/29/10 07:09 PM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Tin Head]
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Got some tomatoes, peppers and herbs in today. Gonna try some Thai peppers this year.... flame
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#4673931 - 03/30/10 08:49 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: Frank I]
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Yesterday I got some pepper plants. Hot jalepeno and California Wonder Bell. Last year when i transplanted my peppers I put em in with the root ball even with the soil but this year I read somewhere to plant them deep like a 'mater and it'll grow more roots from the stem. I could see a couple plants in the nursery starting to develop these roots so I'm thinking it would be beneficial. Advice on how deep to plant my peppers would be great. Thanks
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#4673946 - 03/30/10 08:53 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: DHFisher]
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Yesterday I got some pepper plants. Hot jalepeno and California Wonder Bell. Last year when i transplanted my peppers I put em in with the root ball even with the soil but this year I read somewhere to plant them deep like a 'mater and it'll grow more roots from the stem. I could see a couple plants in the nursery starting to develop these roots so I'm thinking it would be beneficial. Advice on how deep to plant my peppers would be great. Thanks
I plant mine where the first set of leaves are level with the ground...It makes them a bit more sturdy...

I need to go buy some more tomato cages this year...I haven't had to buy cages in over 10 years...bang
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#4673991 - 03/30/10 09:01 AM Re: TFF Gardening Thread [Re: LoneStarSon®]
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Thanks LSS. I'm planning to trellis my maters and peppers this year. Last year my hot banana and maters didnt' do well with the stake up method.

oh, and on a side note, my sugar snap peas are about 4" tall and are sending out the little climbing vine things? reaching for the trellis. These peas are by far outgrowing everything else.

Also, the texas sweet onions are still looking bad. I think a couple of em are done for. On the other hand, I planted some bunching onions from seed and they are reaching for the sun. They are almost 3 inches tall....

That brings me to another question. Bunching onions. Do you just plant one seed and they send up several shoots or do you plant multiple seeds per hole and they don't mind the company?
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