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Well guys and gals, spring is here. No, not according to the calendar, but by my own declaration.
This morning when I was driving to the hardware store, I saw my favorite doe. When spring weather arrives for good, she begins to graze a particular pasture with the cows. It’s the only time I see her in the pasture with the cows, but it’s how I determine, at least at the top of the hill country, spring has sprung.
Therefore, I say it is time for an official TFF gardening thread.
Now is the time to get your beds, or garden, ready to plant. If it hasn’t dried up yet, you could actually look into using a raised garden bed, or even growing in containers. If you are fortunate and are able to plant directly into the ground, but have clay, or any poorly draining soils, you can remedy the problem by adding peat moss and/or sandy loam to the soil and tilling it in. I would also take this time to add nutrients such as nitrogen (chicken poo is a GREAT source of nitrogen, but you might want to cut it with brown, or fallen leaves (they add carbon to the soil). Green leaves will add more nitrogen to the soil. For those of you in North Texas and East Texas, due to the rains, you might need to add some gypsum, or limestone, to the soil, especially if you plan on growing healthy tomato plants. I would suggest having your soil tested before adding this, but it‘s a good possibility your ground has been oversaturated and needs replenishing.
Once this is done, you are ready to begin planning your garden. I would suggest plotting out your garden on a piece of paper before planting. If you grow the same vegetables in the same part of the garden every year, rotate them around. Also, leave plenty of room between the rows so that you can either till or hoe the ground throughout the growing season without risking damage to the roots. While the tap roots for the plants are pretty much directly under the plant’s stem, the entire root system is important and damaging it could weaken the plant and make it more susceptible to disease. When making plans on how you want your garden laid out, consider adding plants along the border that will attract bees. If you can get a hive coming to your garden on a daily basis your crop production will increase by approximately 30 percent.
I have had my onions in the ground since January, but it’s still not too late for you to plant yours. Many feed stores still have some available and with the wet weather we should have this spring, it won’t be long until yours make substantial growth. My sweet peas are in the ground now AND I was able to purchase 60 (total) tomato and pepper plants this morning. Although the morning temperatures are going to be too low this weekend for mine to go in the ground, I will be introducing them to the cooler temperatures for the next 7 to 10 days. I will, however, be planting my cucumber, yellow squash, zucchini and okra seeds this weekend .
One more thing, if you do have tomatoes, remember MATURE plants ONLY require .5 to 1 inch of water a week. If the plants are browning up, it might be a pest problem, or a disease, but it’s more than likely they are getting too much water. I would suggest investing in some soaker hoses (at least for the tomato plants), or hand watering, and be certain to keep any sprinklers from hitting them. It’s best to water after the sun has risen in the spring and during the heat of the summer around 4:00 in the morning.
Guys and gals, this is one of my favorite times of the year. The sun stays out longer, baby animals are appearing every day, fish are beginning the spawn, and the vegetation is beginning to sprout or green up.
While I don’t have a degree in horticulture, I do have many, many, many years of experience thanks to my mom and grandfather getting me interested when I was young. It’s a very relaxing hobby for me and if you have any questions or tips, please post them here so we can all gain knowledge from one another.
***One thing I forgot to mention, because of the strong possibilities of hail storms, I would suggest keeping your plastic milk jugs and 2 litter bottles. They can be rinsed out, the bottoms cut off and placed over small, tender plants to protect them. Just leave the lids off when you place them on the plants. They can also be used in case of a freeze, but I seriously think we are for the most part out of the woods (at least down here)...
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My onions were planted 2/29, and they have started sprouting really well after all this rain and sun. The potatoes are also just beginning to sprout, and the lettuce is well on its way as well.
Tomatoes and Bell Peppers are still inside and I'll probably plant them in the next week or so.
I also have a strange looking little sprout that shot up in one of my peat pots that I had a bell pepper in. I'm going to cut it, but it appears to be some type of tiny round-head weed. And that is inside my house. Weird.
Lettuce, and spinach have been in the ground and are growing like gangbusters. 4 new roses picked out and waiting on the back porch to be put in the ground. Peach trees have budded out and are about to pop.
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
My onions were planted 2/29, and they have started sprouting really well after all this rain and sun. The potatoes are also just beginning to sprout, and the lettuce is well on its way as well.
Tomatoes and Bell Peppers are still inside and I'll probably plant them in the next week or so.
I also have a strange looking little sprout that shot up in one of my peat pots that I had a bell pepper in. I'm going to cut it, but it appears to be some type of tiny round-head weed. And that is inside my house. Weird.
I wanted to plant my peppers and tomatoes today, but I know better...Sunday or Monday it's supposed to get to 40, but we'll probably get down to 38 or 35, so I'm not going to risk them since they are so tender. It'd be different if they hadn't been grown in a greenhouse...I'll be buying more tomatoes tomorrow since they had some varieties I hadn't grown before and wanted to do some research before purchasing them...
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
My onions were planted 2/29, and they have started sprouting really well after all this rain and sun. The potatoes are also just beginning to sprout, and the lettuce is well on its way as well.
Tomatoes and Bell Peppers are still inside and I'll probably plant them in the next week or so.
I also have a strange looking little sprout that shot up in one of my peat pots that I had a bell pepper in. I'm going to cut it, but it appears to be some type of tiny round-head weed. And that is inside my house. Weird.
Take a pic and post it before cutting it...Are you sure it's a round-headed weed? It could be a plant that the seed hasn't come off of...
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
I'll try a picture tonight (didn't work last time because it couldn't focus on it.
It's about a 1" tall one stem, and at the top of the stem is a circular "disc" that is kind of brown.
That could actually be a pepper plant that the seed didn't come off before it grew...Try to GENTLY remove the disc without pulling off the leaves or breaking the stem...
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Originally Posted By: TexDawg
just planted two flats of asian jasmine on the side of a slope to help stop a bit of erosion
We have a lot of jasmine growing around some of our Ashe Junipers as a ground covering...I had to remove a flowerbed of that stuff a couple of years ago...It grows fast and takes over everything...We had a sidewalk running beside the guest house we didn't know was there because of the jasmine growth...
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I have to drive back to Meridian to get my Homestead tomato plants I left behind...I had set them aside with the others, but forgot to pick those up...Oh well, I guess I'll go buy another flat of plants so I can save the 8%. That's a good excuse to buy another 48 plants, right?
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Has anyone on here grown the Sweet 100 tomato plant before? I picked up 4 and now that I've done some research, it appears they can grow somewhere between 1 foot to 15 feet depending on the conditions...That's a HUGE difference in size...It's a cherry tomato plant (not what I wanted, but my sisters love them so I guess that's good), but I've never grown them...
If you've grown them, what was your experience like?
Also, has anyone grown the Lemon Boy variety? It's an heirloom plant that is supposed to produce 7 oz to 8 oz tomatoes that are yellowish clear in color...I will be picking up some of those too...
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I just wish my garden would dry out enough to till.
Man I hear ya. This is no lie....I didn't get much from my tomato plants last spring, but had a bunch in the fall. The garden was so muddy, I got what i could one time and left the rest on the vine. My garden has literally been too wet to till ever since! We're talking complete mud pit for at least 4 months now.
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I just wish my garden would dry out enough to till.
Man I hear ya. This is no lie....I didn't get much from my tomato plants last spring, but had a bunch in the fall. The garden was so muddy, I got what i could one time and left the rest on the vine. My garden has literally been too wet to till ever since! We're talking complete mud pit for at least 4 months now.
If I hadn't moved our garden to the lake house a few years back, I'd be in the same ship. The garden area of Joshua is swampy too...There has been a LOT more rain north of us than we've gotten...
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Okay, just got back from Meridian and picked up another 48 plants...Grand total of 108 will be planted in the garden next week after I get them acclimated to the temperatures by setting them out on the screened in porch...
I also met a new fishing buddy...Man it has been a great day today...
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Has anyone on here grown the Sweet 100 tomato plant before?
If you've grown them, what was your experience like?
10' sounds about right. They get big, but they stopped producing when the heat turned up and didn't start again until late September.
Unimpressed.
Oh... and the skins on them are really tough too.
Okay, well I always have volunteer cherry tomatoes, so they can help...But DANG, 10 FEET?
They were all the way up to the eaves of the house. All I know is to hang the hummingbird feeder up there, I've gotta get a ladder. So it may just be 9' ... but doubtful. And that's not counting what decided to make a break for it from the trellises and spread all over my lawn.
Hey, its better than some of the roses I know of. Labeled as grows 5-6 feet.... but had a friend down in Houston fall into her 20' monster and have to go to the emergency room to get all the thorns surgically removed
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Wow...Okay, that's gonna be tall one...I guess my sisters can pick those tomatoes if they want them...
My neighbor had a similar rose over here at the lake, it started pulling down the overhead phone line that's at least 15 feet high...He and the other neighbor got into who actually owned the rose because it was over taking the fence and neither one had lived here long enough to have planted it...It wasn't until the thing was taken out that they knew who actually owned it...
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If the tomatoes are climbing that high, vertically, you might be able to drape it over the other side (if it's growing on a trellis). I haven't done this personally, but I have heard of people doing this.
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onions are coming up nicely, peas are busting through the ground. I put 4 heads of lettuce out and killed the other 10 when they got flooded in the container I had them in. Tomatoes are about 6" tall now and peppers are about 4". My plan is to start hardening up some of the tomatoes by keeping them out for a little each evening here over the next week and have them in the ground by 3/25. Peppers can wait... They're doing in the garage.
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onions are coming up nicely, peas are busting through the ground. I put 4 heads of lettuce out and killed the other 10 when they got flooded in the container I had them in. Tomatoes are about 6" tall now and peppers are about 4". My plan is to start hardening up some of the tomatoes by keeping them out for a little each evening here over the next week and have them in the ground by 3/25. Peppers can wait... They're doing in the garage.
I'm glad your onions are doing well...It's a shame about the lettuce, but you really shouldn't pee in your vegetable containers...
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I'll try a picture tonight (didn't work last time because it couldn't focus on it.
It's about a 1" tall one stem, and at the top of the stem is a circular "disc" that is kind of brown.
That could actually be a pepper plant that the seed didn't come off before it grew...Try to GENTLY remove the disc without pulling off the leaves or breaking the stem...
Well, I got home, and it was dead and shriveled up. So, no picture, lol.
Got to get rid of the winter crop to make room for spring. All greens still producing, haven't dug the parsnips yet, still a few turnips, spinach still doing well where I've kept it cut, gone to seed where I didn't. Three types of leaf lettuce still going strong, as is curly endive. Arugula going to seed as well, that stuff grows like weeds! Planted 9 Celebrity tomatoes in 1 gal. pots on Feb. 10, will keep them there until end of Mar. They are about 6" tall now. Going to put clear plastic around cages this year, and keep it there as long as possible, not for heat units, but to guard against thrips that carry tomatoe wilt virus. Will see what I can squeeze in between fishing trips. * Seven hens from last May are avg. 4 eggs a day.
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Looks good, Madchad...I don't blame you for waiting...Up there, y'all still could have some could nights...
This morning, I dreamed I had peppers ready to pick that had somehow survived the winter...I had foot long banana and bell peppers in this dream...Oh, I can't wait to harvest my first one...
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My garden this year will consists of 2 pumpkins from Halloween. Every year after the goblins leave, I set the pumpkins on the ground in a sunny spot. They sprout and make runners, but never make any punkins.
Seriously, we simply have to much shade for a garden. I do have a spot in the front yard I could plant, just not sure what the neighbors would think of the "Hic" across the street.
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Originally Posted By: RipDaLips
My garden this year will consists of 2 pumpkins from Halloween. Every year after the goblins leave, I set the pumpkins on the ground in a sunny spot. They sprout and make runners, but never make any punkins.
Seriously, we simply have to much shade for a garden. I do have a spot in the front yard I could plant, just not sure what the neighbors would think of the "Hic" across the street.
My garden is in my front yard, but since you enter the house through the back, it's really not an issue...Besides, I like getting my neighbors riled up, I mean at their age, they need to get their hearts a pumping...Peppers, onions, carrots, turnips, beets, potatoes, lettuce, broccoli, cauliflower, watermelons and cantaloupes and okra don't need shade (although the last two do require more water if they don't get some shade), so you might want to look into planting those...
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Would putting a heating pad under the pan holding my seed pots get them growing a little faster? I might start doing that a couple hours a day...
As JDavis wrote it would help. You could also find the room in your house that gets the most sun and stick them in there while you're at work...If it has a massive drop in temperature at night, just bring them back to the main part of the house...
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Would putting a heating pad under the pan holding my seed pots get them growing a little faster? I might start doing that a couple hours a day...
As JDavis wrote it would help. You could also find the room in your house that gets the most sun and stick them in there while you're at work...If it has a massive drop in temperature at night, just bring them back to the main part of the house...
Exactly where we placed our seedlingararium - in the window that gets the most sun. If anybody has an old aquarium that's not in use, just get you a piece of double pane glass cut to fit where the lid goes. Make it 1" short on the length and 1/16" short on the width. Put the lid centered so there's a little gap on either end for freash air and set it in a sunny window and you'll have a nice little green house going. When there's not so much sweat on the inside, add 1/2 cup or so of water. We are having great results. They have all sprouted and the plants are looking super healthy.
The okra sprouts are already 6" to 8" tall and we planted them on Saturday the weekend before last. The pepper plants are all around an inch or two, and the jelly bean tomatoes are a little taller than the peppers. I added 10 peat pots with beefsteak tomato seeds this week (they're for my grandma's garden) and no sprouts in them yet.
Also, I was looking around in the garden and found several peppers (hot banana and cayenne) that had fallen on the ground from last year. The seeds inside looked good so I just mushed them in the dirt a little and we'll see what happens. If they sprout I'll have extra, if they don't there's backups in the seedlingararium.
LSS or anyone else, is there such as thing as "must do" and/or "must not do" on planting different vegetables next to each other? For instance would planting peas next to stringbeans be okay or would there be something in one that inhibits the other? I just pulled those two examples out of the air, but I think you get what I'm asking.
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Well, I'll say this, DO NOT plant cucumbers too close to pepper or tomato plants, unless you are able to control where the cucumbers will climb...I had some cucumbers growing freely on the ground for the first time ever last year...I won't be making that same mistake. Although the plants flourished and produced quite heavily, they also overtook the pepper and tomato plants making it hard to harvest.
Also, you do not want to plant yellow squash right next to zucchini because you can end up with hybrid fruits. I've had it happen to me a couple of years. Although it was okay, it wasn't as good as the zucchini/spaghetti squash hybrid I intentionally created...
As far as one plant being bad for another, I can't think of any, but as I stated previously, you do need to be mindful. Now if you are planting different varieties of corn, make certain you have 25 feet or more between the sections of corn.
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DF, do not plant onions near peas, as well. I don't have firsthand knowledge but I've been told it will make the peas taste terrible. A few feet away should be okay, though.
Did anyone here plant lettuce? I planted mine on 02/01, which makes them in the ground 40 days. They're supposed to be ready in 60 days, but they're still only about 1/2" tall, and only have 2 leaves so far. Strangely enough, the other plants in the garden are growing great.
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
DF, do not plant onions near peas, as well. I don't have firsthand knowledge but I've been told it will make the peas taste terrible. A few feet away should be okay, though.
I've only had my peas next to my onions once and I didn't notice any funky taste to them...Although I do like to eat peas with pearl onions, so maybe that's why?
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Did anyone here plant lettuce? I planted mine on 02/01, which makes them in the ground 40 days. They're supposed to be ready in 60 days, but they're still only about 1/2" tall, and only have 2 leaves so far. Strangely enough, the other plants in the garden are growing great.
Have you checked your soil's PH level? It should be at 6.5 from what I've read. Also, lettuce requires a good amount of water. The two snow days since your planting could have damaged them, but if they are growing, I'd probably look to the soil's PH level (you can buy an electronic soil tester)...
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If using 5 Gallon buckets for planters, what soil mix should you use? I used a potting soil with miracle grow in it last year and it didn't work out too good.
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interesting planters for 5 gallon buckets.. What's interesting to me is that I did this EXACT example on my own last year, and thought I'd come up with something really original.. Not so much.
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my peas are about 2" tall now.. Just rigged up my drip irrigation/mini sprinkler system to my garden. It looks like it's going to work real and won't waste a lot of water.
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I planted my garden last week end. One pack of seeds each cantaloupe and water melon. One place for each, dumped all the seeds in hole and hope for the best, probably get the worst.
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Has anyone on here grown the Sweet 100 tomato plant before? I picked up 4 and now that I've done some research, it appears they can grow somewhere between 1 foot to 15 feet depending on the conditions...That's a HUGE difference in size...It's a cherry tomato plant (not what I wanted, but my sisters love them so I guess that's good), but I've never grown them...
If you've grown them, what was your experience like?
Also, has anyone grown the Lemon Boy variety? It's an heirloom plant that is supposed to produce 7 oz to 8 oz tomatoes that are yellowish clear in color...I will be picking up some of those too...
they didn't produce as much as I would have liked plant only got to about 6 foot.I used wire baskets on these because there cherry tomatos are so heavy on the stem
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LSS or anyone else, is there such as thing as "must do" and/or "must not do" on planting different vegetables next to each other? For instance would planting peas next to stringbeans be okay or would there be something in one that inhibits the other? I just pulled those two examples out of the air, but I think you get what I'm asking.
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LSS or anyone else, is there such as thing as "must do" and/or "must not do" on planting different vegetables next to each other? For instance would planting peas next to stringbeans be okay or would there be something in one that inhibits the other? I just pulled those two examples out of the air, but I think you get what I'm asking.
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Just saw the weather which is saying around the Waco area it could get to the upper 30's tonight and both the D/FW and Waco areas could be in the mid to upper 30's on Sunday night...Watch your most tender plants...2 litter bottles and 1 gallon jugs can be used to cover them (just leave the caps off)...
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
How many more times do you think it'll freeze, LSS?
I don't think it will freeze, I just think there's a chance for a light frost which would damage the tender plants...Especially those plants that don't have any type of protection from the north or west...
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Square foot gardening here. So far my peas, radishes, lettuces and onions are coming up nicely. Still waiting on the nasturtium, marigolds and carrots to make a showing. Last weekend I planted a celebrity and sweet 100 that are being protected from the cold. This weekend I plan to plant bell peppers, jalepenos, cukes yellow squash and butternut squash... Although, the forecast is calling for low to mid 30's in DFW this weekends so I may wait on the pepper transplants. Also, the rain we got yesterday filled my 55 gallon rain barrel so I think I'm set.
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Every last peat pot has sprouted. Last year it was one out of three just using peat pots and seeds. Using the aquarium has made an insane difference. They'll need some potting soil or something added because the okra's already growing roots outside the pots. After Easter we'll put them outside and they'll have a great start.
Square foot gardening here. So far my peas, radishes, lettuces and onions are coming up nicely. Still waiting on the nasturtium, marigolds and carrots to make a showing. Last weekend I planted a celebrity and sweet 100 that are being protected from the cold. This weekend I plan to plant bell peppers, jalepenos, cukes yellow squash and butternut squash... Although, the forecast is calling for low to mid 30's in DFW this weekends so I may wait on the pepper transplants. Also, the rain we got yesterday filled my 55 gallon rain barrel so I think I'm set.
Sounds familiar - we're planting quite a bit of the same stuff.
This is also my first year setting up rain barrels, and WOW, they are great for water conservation
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weather.com is calling for 32 saturday night in the metroplex
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If it does freeze up there, there are a lot of things you can do to protect your plants...If you have tomato cages, put them over the plants and take some large black trash bags and cover the cages with them, tying the bags at the bottom...
2 litter bottles and 1 gallon milk/water jugs can be emptied, rinsed, and have the bottoms cut off then placed over the plants leaving the tops off or poke holes in the tops.
If you have a boat load of leaves, you can pile them over the plants after the sun goes down and remove them as soon as it comes back up...
You can lay down tomato cages on their sides and cover the plants with sheets, or put them strategically around the garden and place a large tarp over them keeping the tarp off the plants...
I'm sure there are other things people on this forum have done in the past, if you have some ideas, please share them...
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Here's what I was planning on doing...let me know if you think it would work.
I have two 4' x 4' raised beds. I put 4 pieces of Rebar in the ground, at each corner. Saturday night I'll take 10 ft. lengths of PVC pipe, put each end on a bar of Rebar, and build a little "hoop house" type-structure. Then take some 1 mil plastic dropcloth and put it over that, and weigh it down by bricks.
I might also put a few sections from the newspaper over each plant.
edit, found a pic: kind of similar to this, but with PVC pipes, not steel. And I'll put plastic dropcloth over the top.
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That should work fine, but I wouldn't do the newspapers...The main thing is to protect them from the wind. I would also do that before sundown to keep some heat in there...Remember to pull it off as soon as the sun is up...
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I've got a similar setup. Raised bed with some PVC over the top that I use to cover the garden while it's still cool at night. I'm not putting plastic over mine, it's just a row cover. It's got about 70% light transmission and protects from a light frost. This bed is 4'x8' and the PVC over the top is a 6' piece of 1/2" PVC.
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i dont feel so bad about not having my garden up and running,with this freeze coming
It's not just the temperature drop that could hurt the plants, but the wind. The cold winter wind can dry those plants out, effectively killing them. I have a guest house blocking the garden at the lake from the north wind, so I don't have to worry about that, but most people, especially in the D/FW area don't seem to have a lot of ways to block the wind. I'm actually more concerned about the wind up there than the temps. I still think the weather morons are wrong, but if it is better to be prepared than to be replanting...
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There is a fence only inches from the north side of my beds so the wind shouldnt be an issue for me but I think I'm still going to cover them with some plastic jugs.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
There is a fence only inches from the north side of my beds so the wind shouldnt be an issue for me but I think I'm still going to cover them with some plastic jugs.
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Need to know what you guys think of this. You know they talk about potatoes you shouldn't eat that are "green" because of the toxin they contain. The toxin comes from the potato being exposed to light when growing.
I wasn't really expecting it, but one of the potatoes had a shoot when I went out there yesterday to check on them. I never saw it (I guess it was there Wednesday or Tuesday). You see, I put the potato seeds in the dead-middle of the square, on my square foot garden. How was I to know nature would not perfectly agree with everything I was doing, and would send a shoot 6" away, completely unforeseen?!
Here's a picture of the potato shoot. I actually covered it a bit up with soil before taking the picture. I'd say there was about 2" of the potato sprout sticking out of the ground. It's in the corner, as you can see, and (at least in the afternoon) it's shielded by the box so the light was not hitting it.
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I haven't grown potatoes before, although my grandfather did and I loved pulling them out of the ground...I think it just goes to show that sometimes things don't go as you planned...
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I think I'd chunk it. One thing about taters is that they don't grow down. They grow shallow so it's important to keep piling dirt/leaves/straw/whatever around the plants until they flower. Some people use old tires...put a tire on the ground ,place the potatoes in the middle and cover them with soil. As they grow add layers of mulch and dirt until you need another tire. Keep this going until they're ready to harvest and then just pull the tires up. No digging required.
Wondering how y'all like your raised beds. After last summer's monsoons I've been considering going that way.
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i had a 30 X 90 for six years near abilene and we had to fight wind in the garden all the time, we buried the tall plants very deep at planting, i was always amazed at the corn stalks- after some windy days they'd be listing badly
Sorry for you fellers that had seedlings out in this weather. We got a little snow on the ground, but all my seedlings are still safe in the seedlingararium. There have been a few additions and today we're going to start some banana peppers and add another couple of cubanelles (Mrs Chad makes some awesome rellenos!). We've also started a couple of zucchini plants. Mrs Chad uses it in fried rice so that'll be nice.
I'm proud of all my kids, but my son (a very industrious 10 yr old) is planning a garden at his mom's house. This weekend we got a box of peat pots and the seeds that he didn't already have stashed back. He's going to do cayenne, sweet banana pepper, jelly bean tomato, strawberry (we'll have to buy the seedlings), and he's considering cubanelle and serrano. He's also gonna make his mom a few flower beds with Mrs Chad's flower seed stash. He's a chip off the old block for sure!
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Sorry for you fellers that had seedlings out in this weather. We got a little snow on the ground, but all my seedlings are still safe in the seedlingararium. There have been a few additions and today we're going to start some banana peppers and add another couple of cubanelles (Mrs Chad makes some awesome rellenos!). We've also started a couple of zucchini plants. Mrs Chad uses it in fried rice so that'll be nice.
I'm proud of all my kids, but my son (a very industrious 10 yr old) is planning a garden at his mom's house. This weekend we got a box of peat pots and the seeds that he didn't already have stashed back. He's going to do cayenne, sweet banana pepper, jelly bean tomato, strawberry (we'll have to buy the seedlings), and he's considering cubanelle and serrano. He's also gonna make his mom a few flower beds with Mrs Chad's flower seed stash. He's a chip off the old block for sure!
Lucky for him he got his looks from his mom!
I haven't been able to find the Cubanelle peppers anywhere... I have Cayenne, California wonder (bell pepper), Tam Jalapeno, Jalapeno, Hot Banana, Sweet Banana, and Serrano, but no Cubanelle
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Well, in hopes of keeping the tomatoes alive, I've covered them with old plastic flower pots then with about a foot worth of hay.
Also, I planted some jasmine last week and I've covered it with a wire cage and I've wrapped towels around it. Inside it's little house I've put in a plastic bottle filled with hot water. I'll change it out tonight. I figure that'll keep it alive. I hope
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Well, in hopes of keeping the tomatoes alive, I've covered them with old plastic flower pots then with about a foot worth of hay.
Also, I planted some jasmine last week and I've covered it with a wire cage and I've wrapped towels around it. Inside it's little house I've put in a plastic bottle filled with hot water. I'll change it out tonight. I figure that'll keep it alive. I hope
I don't know what kind of jasmine you planted but we can't kill the stuff...Seriously, I've tried...Short of ripping it out by the roots, runners and all, it ain't gonna die...At least mine won't...
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Huh. I thought I read it needed to be protected due to it's tropic origins. Well either way, it's extra protected
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Originally Posted By: kodys'papa
i had a 30 X 90 for six years near abilene and we had to fight wind in the garden all the time, we buried the tall plants very deep at planting, i was always amazed at the corn stalks- after some windy days they'd be listing badly
For the last few years I've been planting my corn in small (10' x 10') blocks. Each plant is about 1' from the other. They pollinate really well and the roots grow together so they support each other in case of tornado weather.
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Anybody have any tips on growing Jolakia Bhut (from India)chilis ? I got a bunch of dried ones as a present. They're supposedly 4x hotter than habaneros ( I believe it ! ) but I'm having a beach of a time getting them to germinate.
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finally got the garden tilled the other day, picked up my primary crops as well. They are safely tucked in the garage waiting till the freeze passes us. Its time to grow stuff
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We have ice on the ground, glad I waited as well. Still leary...
I only waited because I was letting my plants adjust to the nightly temperatures since most were grown in a greenhouse...I've been setting them out on the screened-in porch so they won't go into shock...I'm not worried about anymore freezing weather, mine are going out this week...
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Got down to 32 early this morning and it's been snowing (and melting) all day . I'm not worried about the greens or onions but I sure hope my peaches and plums make it.
Picked up 6 Better Boys & 6 Husky Cherry last Wed. Into 1 gal. pots with the rest. That brings the total to 21 plants. Is that too many for a 20'x12' piece of dirt? Roughly 35F last nite and tonite as well. Mesquites have just begun to put on leaves, think we're in the clear around here. Still have to get rid of winter garden, rained 1.5" last week.
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Uncovered everything this morning before work. Now lets hope this cold is over with
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Uncovered everything this morning before work. Now lets hope this cold is over with
I did that as well. Surprised I got up early enough
I keep seeing conflicting weather reports in the D/FW area. Last night the weather channel said it was going to freeze again tonight and tomorrow. Now, weather.com is saying it'll be in the high 40s/low 50s.
Yep, mesquites have finally budded here, should have some leaves shortly.
Ya'll up north probably have to play it a little safe for another couple of weeks and then Spring (the real thing, not the calendar one) should have worked its way up to ya.
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I'm going to go get started planting my over 150 pepper and tomato plants...Yeah, over 150, the final count has NOT been done (primarily because I haven't finished searching for some specific plants)...
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Sorry for you fellers that had seedlings out in this weather. We got a little snow on the ground, but all my seedlings are still safe in the seedlingararium. There have been a few additions and today we're going to start some banana peppers and add another couple of cubanelles (Mrs Chad makes some awesome rellenos!). We've also started a couple of zucchini plants. Mrs Chad uses it in fried rice so that'll be nice.
I'm proud of all my kids, but my son (a very industrious 10 yr old) is planning a garden at his mom's house. This weekend we got a box of peat pots and the seeds that he didn't already have stashed back. He's going to do cayenne, sweet banana pepper, jelly bean tomato, strawberry (we'll have to buy the seedlings), and he's considering cubanelle and serrano. He's also gonna make his mom a few flower beds with Mrs Chad's flower seed stash. He's a chip off the old block for sure!
Lucky for him he got his looks from his mom!
I haven't been able to find the Cubanelle peppers anywhere... I have Cayenne, California wonder (bell pepper), Tam Jalapeno, Jalapeno, Hot Banana, Sweet Banana, and Serrano, but no Cubanelle
We've got cubanelle seeds. How many do ya want and I'll mail them to ya if you'll pm me an address to send to.
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Sorry for you fellers that had seedlings out in this weather. We got a little snow on the ground, but all my seedlings are still safe in the seedlingararium. There have been a few additions and today we're going to start some banana peppers and add another couple of cubanelles (Mrs Chad makes some awesome rellenos!). We've also started a couple of zucchini plants. Mrs Chad uses it in fried rice so that'll be nice.
I'm proud of all my kids, but my son (a very industrious 10 yr old) is planning a garden at his mom's house. This weekend we got a box of peat pots and the seeds that he didn't already have stashed back. He's going to do cayenne, sweet banana pepper, jelly bean tomato, strawberry (we'll have to buy the seedlings), and he's considering cubanelle and serrano. He's also gonna make his mom a few flower beds with Mrs Chad's flower seed stash. He's a chip off the old block for sure!
Lucky for him he got his looks from his mom!
I haven't been able to find the Cubanelle peppers anywhere... I have Cayenne, California wonder (bell pepper), Tam Jalapeno, Jalapeno, Hot Banana, Sweet Banana, and Serrano, but no Cubanelle
We've got cubanelle seeds. How many do ya want and I'll mail them to ya if you'll pm me an address to send to.
I appreciate the offer...My mom has a phone customer that has a feed store and they are supposed to go Wednesday to their suppliers and see if they can get me some Cubanelle and Gypsy peppers...If they can't, I'll take you up on the offer...
There seems to be some fraudulent sales going on with those seeds you're looking for. I'd try and buy them from one of the established companies (I've tried to find them through Google) when they become available...Otherwise you'll end up with the habanero plants...
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Hopefully my garden will try out enough so I can till this week. If not I will be going to Home Depot and buying a lot of soil. So I can make my own mounds and get them going.
My jalapenos and a few of the mater plants are getting huge already. The okra and bannana peppers aren't too far behind them. I need to get them in the ground soon.
Only downside is that it doesn't have everything I planted including different varieties of peppers but I just put in the closest thing they have and then rename it.
I should be getting either 4 or 8 plants of both Cubanelle Peppers and Gypsy Peppers this week...Yeah...I need to find some Habaneros now that I see the list on the screen...
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LoneStarSon. What do you do with everything these plants produce?
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I give some to family and friends, freeze some of the squash, zucchini, and peas. This year, I'll also be setting up a vegetable stand and selling some of the peppers and tomatoes to help offset the cost of the water...
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I'm surprised you dont have a giant rainwater collection unit.
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You using anything to collect rainwater, LSS? While watering yesterday I started to see just how much water I will be using. A bunch is an understatement.
My potato plants are growing well; I think a "Yukon Gold" finally sprouted. Took considerably longer than the "Red Noreland" variety.
Onions are slowly starting to perk back up after that intense wind the other day. Carrots are about an inch tall as well.
Unfortunately I think my experiment with seed-starting is about over. Other Cherry Roma seeds started the same time as mine are about 10" tall now, and mine have not grown above 2.5" in several weeks. The Bell Pepper sprouts have multiple leaves, but are still tiny - maybe 1.5" tall.
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Huh, same here with the potatoes. Red Norelands are going nuts but the Yukon Gold have barely come up.
My Texas sweet onion transplants look like carp. Any advice on these?
Carrots were planted about 2 weeks ago and I've yet to see any green.
However, my bunching onions sprouted up 2 days ago and are already over an inch tall.
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Most are bent over and turning a little brown.. not the healthy green look I was hoping for.
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I'm surprised you dont have a giant rainwater collection unit.
I actually have a water system connected to my gutters for the flower beds that surround the main house...Our water bill gets out of hand for the yard, not the garden...Hopefully this year won't be as bad as the last 2...It's an acre of land and because it has a slightly sloping elevation, water retention for most of it isn't the greatest (makes for great drainage, especially in flooding weather, but not for water retention in droughts)...The garden gets by on fairly little water in comparison because of the Ashe Juniper tree droppings...They, like pine needles, help with the water retention in that area...
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how low shall i cut them?
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I'd probably cut the brown ones about an inch from the ground...Since onions are a single root vegetable, the greens aren't as important to the survival as say potatoes...The good thing is your onions will probably grow a bit larger than before because you won't be as anxious to pull them with shorter greens....
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They could have browned because of the snow or because of the bountiful rain amounts y'all have had recently...If any of the onions have green stalks mixed with brown, just remove the brown ones and keep the green ones on that onion...You might also want to try a little miracle-gro or other plant food because the nutrients might have been greatly diminished because of all the rains...
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Alright, who can make it to the NW side of Lake Whitney by 3:30 this afternoon to help me finish planting? I have 94 plants left to get in the ground...I'll have at least another 30 to plant by this weekend...WTH?!?!?!
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Some of you may know that my 10 yr old son is starting his own garden. He's growing mainly peppers and he's going to try and sell them to make some exta $$$$. He researched on google and boy-howdy! Did he ever! He's breeding a hybrid habanero/cayenne plant. I'm proud of my boy! He gets the mad scientist tendencies from his paw. Anyway, if it works well he's gonna do all hyprids next year and sell peppers that nobody else has.
I have two plants that I have had for a couple years now. Just bring them inside for the winter and set them out now. I should have tons of sprouts this year too. I left a bunch of peppers in the container to dry and sprout.
We call 'em chili pitens - the plant comes back every year from the roots. I dried about two pints worth last year. They are one of the ingrediants in the shake I put on deer jerky.
Yeah, bud! I've got a three year old in the house waiting for warm weather. I like growing 'em in large pots outside. They kinda remind me of mini-serranos.
I noticed you've got horsetail (?) rush growing on the left by the rocks. You got a fish pond over there ? You can't get better water for your chilis than water full of fish poo.
I used to work with a guy that would eat those chili petines by the handful. Seriously. He died of stomach cancer not too long after he retired. I think there was a strong connection with eating them the way he did and the cancer.
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I used to work with a guy that would eat those chili petines by the handful. Seriously. He died of stomach cancer not too long after he retired. I think there was a strong connection with eating them the way he did and the cancer.
That's sad to hear, DF.
I think I'm going to go buy 3 tomato plants today and 3 Bell Pepper plants. I'll have to put "better seed starting" into the "goals for 2011" category, cause that was an failure.
Anyone know where (besides some guy's house in Joshua) I can get some organic Cherry Roma tomatoes and some Bell Peppers?
Awesome, Mansfield Nursery comes in with the win again! I gave them a call (they're across 157 from the Mansfield Feed Mill) and she said they still have some. If I get there, and they're all gone, I'm hunting you goons down...
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Awesome, Mansfield Nursery comes in with the win again! I gave them a call (they're across 157 from the Mansfield Feed Mill) and she said they still have some. If I get there, and they're all gone, I'm hunting you goons down...
If they don't have any let me know and I'll pick some up and meet you somewhere...
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Awesome, Mansfield Nursery comes in with the win again! I gave them a call (they're across 157 from the Mansfield Feed Mill) and she said they still have some. If I get there, and they're all gone, I'm hunting you goons down...
Leave a couple MSR!! I am heading that way after work.
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Don't have a pond, but I would like too. I do have 8 chickens right here in the middle of Dallas and I mix C.poo in and it seems to really work well. That horsetail pops up all over the place.
I wish someone with a green house would start up all the seeds(peppers/tomatoes) next year and sell them to all of us on the TFF!!
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Don't have a pond, but I would like too. I do have 8 chickens right here in the middle of Dallas and I mix C.poo in and it seems to really work well. That horsetail pops up all over the place.
I wish someone with a green house would start up all the seeds(peppers/tomatoes) next year and sell them to all of us on the TFF!!
I might be doing that...I'll let you know later in the year.
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Awesome, Mansfield Nursery comes in with the win again! I gave them a call (they're across 157 from the Mansfield Feed Mill) and she said they still have some. If I get there, and they're all gone, I'm hunting you goons down...
Leave a couple MSR!! I am heading that way after work.
How many do you need? I'll make sure I leave some and tell the lady/guy at the counter to keep some for you. I'll be heading over there at ~5:00 or so.
That's awesome, AdventureTX. I really would like to but the HOA won't permit it. I currently have a rabbit I use for it's manure and have some meat chickens growing at a friends' house. I contemplated raising the meat chickens at my house because they make almost no noise. But, that would suck to get hit with a $500 fine...
I've been thinking about chickens. Thinking hard on getting 1/2 dozen or so, but, between the feral cats, my dogs, and the hawks, I'm not too sure. I dunno if I'd wanna go through the hassle of building a coop. Saw some pre-fab ones in Mother Earth News, but they are outrageously priced.
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I've been thinking about chickens. Thinking hard on getting 1/2 dozen or so, but, between the feral cats, my dogs, and the hawks, I'm not too sure. I dunno if I'd wanna go through the hassle of building a coop. Saw some pre-fab ones in Mother Earth News, but they are outrageously priced.
I'd love to get some chickens, but my dogs would eat them...
Fortunately, my boat mechanic has over 6,000 birds, some chickens in that mess, and I get plenty of free chicken poop from him...And I get Turkey eggs on occasion...Those are GREAT...
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They really are pretty cool birds I've had them about a year and their production just went from 2 a day to 6(more daylight) and I've got 8 birds.
They eat all of our scraps and grass clippings.....and anything else you can give them....I gave them a jar full of grub worms the other day and it was like watching a pack of piranhas. One of them(Toto) will let my 3 year old daughter carry her around in a bucket.
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Say whaaaaatttt????
I think you put up the wrong pic
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That's awesome, AdventureTX. I really would like to but the HOA won't permit it. I currently have a rabbit I use for it's manure and have some meat chickens growing at a friends' house. I contemplated raising the meat chickens at my house because they make almost no noise. But, that would suck to get hit with a $500 fine...
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I've been thinking about chickens. Thinking hard on getting 1/2 dozen or so, but, between the feral cats, my dogs, and the hawks, I'm not too sure. I dunno if I'd wanna go through the hassle of building a coop. Saw some pre-fab ones in Mother Earth News, but they are outrageously priced.
Mother Earth News has building plans for portable chicken coops that you might consider. You can also build a respectable coop with 2 x 4s and bird netting.
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Gonna plant a few peppers and maters today. Hopefully the ground isn't too wet. I have to get them in the ground.
Gonna try to catch some sandies this week. The last two years I have put a sandbass carcass in the hole before I put the plants in. Haven't had to use any fertilizer the last two years. I had jalapeno and cherry mater plants that were taller than my fence. Squash, bell peppers and eggplant went crazy also.
I got a pack of those seeds. They're now 3" sprouts in the seedlingararium. Today I started a habanero, 2 poblano, and 3 sweet banana. i thnk I've already done some sweet banana, but there's no such thing as too many peppers. Right?
I am tilling the garden right now getting ready to plant. Last year I had the soil tested and added everything that was missing(so I thought). My plants still did not produce though. At the end of the season when I pulled the plants the root systems were better but still small to me and the soil still felt to dense. I just got a pick up bed full of compost to add to the soil (7'X14') and have been tilling yesterday and today and still have about 2 more days to go until it really dries out and mixes evenly. I do all organic and hope this year it really produces , the last 2 years sucked. Anyone know where I can find some chicken poop or any other poop that I can add in now while I am tilling? I tried to use bat poop last year but its expensive and would cost to much to try and till in.
Great thread, LSS! My wife always gets frustrated. She tries growing tomatoes and peppers, and as soon as they start to ripen, the birds come along and peck one hole in each of them, as if they are making fun of her. When she grows cantaloupe or squash, she gets fire-ant bit when harvesting. She will not eat anything that has had poison around it, so I couldn't keep the ants out. Netting on tomatoes, meant holes poked in every tomato that touched the netting. This year I decided was going to be her year, so I built her an anti-bird cage, with everything raised up to "no-bending" height for comfort AND so I can keep the ants poisoned away from the growing soil. While building it, she decided that she might want more than it would hold, so I raised some containers for plants the birds tend to ignore outside the cage.
Door is on the back side of this picture, shelves are slanted away from the walkway so watering doesn't leave you with wet feet.
This cage is 8'x8'x8', and I used one 16' cattle panel cut in half to make tomato supports. These panels hang in notches cut in 2x4's, and can be pushed back against the wall if not needed. I put removable "windows" behind the tomato trellis to harvest the hard-to-reach beauties. This year, if we fail to have a good harvest, it will be because of my black thumbs or the weather, birds and ants will not be an excuse! Tomatoes are on the south wall so they don't shade the other plants. There is room for smaller plants on the shelf in front of them. All wood is pressure treated, and bird wire is 1" galvanized. The cost for everything(except plants and containers) was between $200 and $250.
Have six silver lace wyandottes & one production red right now. Got them last May 22 from Ideal Poultry. Avg. four eggs a day right now. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the wyandottes for dissposition, seem more destructive than dominiques we had in the past. Prod. Red is a sweetheart though. I.P. mails them when they are one day old. I was amazed not a single chick perished. Cats do not bother them at all once they get some size on them. Dogs can be a problem, but not as bad as I thought. Can answer many questions about getting started.
Great thread, LSS! My wife always gets frustrated. She tries growing tomatoes and peppers, and as soon as they start to ripen, the birds come along and peck one hole in each of them, as if they are making fun of her. When she grows cantaloupe or squash, she gets fire-ant bit when harvesting. She will not eat anything that has had poison around it, so I couldn't keep the ants out. Netting on tomatoes, meant holes poked in every tomato that touched the netting. This year I decided was going to be her year, so I built her an anti-bird cage, with everything raised up to "no-bending" height for comfort AND so I can keep the ants poisoned away from the growing soil. While building it, she decided that she might want more than it would hold, so I raised some containers for plants the birds tend to ignore outside the cage.
Door is on the back side of this picture, shelves are slanted away from the walkway so watering doesn't leave you with wet feet.
This cage is 8'x8'x8', and I used one 16' cattle panel cut in half to make tomato supports. These panels hang in notches cut in 2x4's, and can be pushed back against the wall if not needed. I put removable "windows" behind the tomato trellis to harvest the hard-to-reach beauties. This year, if we fail to have a good harvest, it will be because of my black thumbs or the weather, birds and ants will not be an excuse! Tomatoes are on the south wall so they don't shade the other plants. There is room for smaller plants on the shelf in front of them. All wood is pressure treated, and bird wire is 1" galvanized. The cost for everything(except plants and containers) was between $200 and $250.
I used rubber snakes in the garden to repel the birds , it worked.
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?
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Originally Posted By: Kattelyn
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?
Thanks guys!!!
I'll see if the store down the road from me still has some and I could maybe be talked into driving somewhere near the metromess to bring them to you...
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Originally Posted By: Henry Hefner
Great thread, LSS! My wife always gets frustrated. She tries growing tomatoes and peppers, and as soon as they start to ripen, the birds come along and peck one hole in each of them, as if they are making fun of her. When she grows cantaloupe or squash, she gets fire-ant bit when harvesting. She will not eat anything that has had poison around it, so I couldn't keep the ants out. Netting on tomatoes, meant holes poked in every tomato that touched the netting. This year I decided was going to be her year, so I built her an anti-bird cage, with everything raised up to "no-bending" height for comfort AND so I can keep the ants poisoned away from the growing soil. While building it, she decided that she might want more than it would hold, so I raised some containers for plants the birds tend to ignore outside the cage.
Door is on the back side of this picture, shelves are slanted away from the walkway so watering doesn't leave you with wet feet.
This cage is 8'x8'x8', and I used one 16' cattle panel cut in half to make tomato supports. These panels hang in notches cut in 2x4's, and can be pushed back against the wall if not needed. I put removable "windows" behind the tomato trellis to harvest the hard-to-reach beauties. This year, if we fail to have a good harvest, it will be because of my black thumbs or the weather, birds and ants will not be an excuse! Tomatoes are on the south wall so they don't shade the other plants. There is room for smaller plants on the shelf in front of them. All wood is pressure treated, and bird wire is 1" galvanized. The cost for everything(except plants and containers) was between $200 and $250.
Great looking project...How's your shark boat doing?
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Excellent work. Your wife's a lucky lady.
My grandfathers used tin pie plates and ribbon ( you string the long ribbon between the posts then "x" it back over itself : birds apparently think it's a trap) . I've had pretty good luck using old cds and cassette/video tape. Rubber snakes and fake owls are decent but , just like everything else , you have to keep moving them around or the birds get used to them.
Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.
I grow cantalopes and small watermelons on my chain-link fence. I cut up old pantyhose and make little hammocks so the fruit doesn't break off the vine. Works really well but I had to start planting them on the outside of the fence as my Huskies developed a taste for 'em.
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Have six silver lace wyandottes & one production red right now. Got them last May 22 from Ideal Poultry. Avg. four eggs a day right now. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the wyandottes for dissposition, seem more destructive than dominiques we had in the past. Prod. Red is a sweetheart though. I.P. mails them when they are one day old. I was amazed not a single chick perished. Cats do not bother them at all once they get some size on them. Dogs can be a problem, but not as bad as I thought. Can answer many questions about getting started.
I have my own flock consisting of RI Reds, Polish Crested, Cochin and Mexican Blues. Makes for some interesting looking chicks. Do you use them for insect control in the garden ? I never had much luck with chickens ( even bantams ) 'cause they tend to scratch up the roots too much. Guineas , on the other hand , just walk down the rows and pick the bugs off.
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?
Thanks guys!!!
I'll see if the store down the road from me still has some and I could maybe be talked into driving somewhere near the metromess to bring them to you...
Oh hon that's the sweetest thing! I'm gonna be in Meridian next weekend.... is it anywhere in that general vicinity?
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Kattelyn
A couple months back, LSS mentioned Heatwave tomatoes. Well, yours truly messed around with a bunch of other projects and didn't get them started in time. So after questing for them all day yesterday, does anyone know where to buy them in the metromess already growing?
Thanks guys!!!
I'll see if the store down the road from me still has some and I could maybe be talked into driving somewhere near the metromess to bring them to you...
Oh hon that's the sweetest thing! I'm gonna be in Meridian next weekend.... is it anywhere in that general vicinity?
Yes...The Ace Hardware in Meridian has the Homestead Tomatoes and Lampman's in Morgan had the Heatwave...I'll be by both places this week and make certain they have them...
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Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.
I grow cantalopes and small watermelons on my chain-link fence. I cut up old pantyhose and make little hammocks so the fruit doesn't break off the vine. Works really well but I had to start planting them on the outside of the fence as my Huskies developed a taste for 'em.
Ellis county fire ants seem to thrive on corn meal, or at least I didn't have luck with it when I tried it. I may try the cantaloupe on the fence, we intended to put them beside the tomatoes, but then she bought too many tomato plants... I think she intends to use the large containers outside for squash.
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Plain old corn meal mix will get rid of fire ants, IME.
I grow cantalopes and small watermelons on my chain-link fence. I cut up old pantyhose and make little hammocks so the fruit doesn't break off the vine. Works really well but I had to start planting them on the outside of the fence as my Huskies developed a taste for 'em.
Ellis county fire ants seem to thrive on corn meal, or at least I didn't have luck with it when I tried it. I may try the cantaloupe on the fence, we intended to put them beside the tomatoes, but then she bought too many tomato plants... I think she intends to use the large containers outside for squash.
You can NEVER have too many tomato plants...Or at least that seems to have been the guiding thought behind my recent purchases/plantings...
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Yes...The Ace Hardware in Meridian has the Homestead Tomatoes and Lampman's in Morgan had the Heatwave...I'll be by both places this week and make certain they have them...
Gone shopping at the Ace hardware a few memorable times when something critical broke unexpectedly and I know exactly where Morgan is and can't help but take note of it as that's my family's name
Have six silver lace wyandottes & one production red right now. Got them last May 22 from Ideal Poultry. Avg. four eggs a day right now. Wouldn't necessarily recomend the wyandottes for dissposition, seem more destructive than dominiques we had in the past. Prod. Red is a sweetheart though. I.P. mails them when they are one day old. I was amazed not a single chick perished. Cats do not bother them at all once they get some size on them. Dogs can be a problem, but not as bad as I thought. Can answer many questions about getting started.
I have my own flock consisting of RI Reds, Polish Crested, Cochin and Mexican Blues. Makes for some interesting looking chicks. Do you use them for insect control in the garden ? I never had much luck with chickens ( even bantams ) 'cause they tend to scratch up the roots too much. Guineas , on the other hand , just walk down the rows and pick the bugs off.
Chickens, at least mine, are way to destructive for the garden. Guineas don't tend to scratch like chickens.
I picked up my Roma tomatoes and California Bell Peppers Friday; probably will plant them tomorrow. I really need to get some mulch for the garden this week...I'll probably get wheat straw or something.
Anyone got a few dozen extra fish heads laying around? I need to put them in the ground before I plant my corn.
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Yesterday I got some pepper plants. Hot jalepeno and California Wonder Bell. Last year when i transplanted my peppers I put em in with the root ball even with the soil but this year I read somewhere to plant them deep like a 'mater and it'll grow more roots from the stem. I could see a couple plants in the nursery starting to develop these roots so I'm thinking it would be beneficial. Advice on how deep to plant my peppers would be great. Thanks
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Yesterday I got some pepper plants. Hot jalepeno and California Wonder Bell. Last year when i transplanted my peppers I put em in with the root ball even with the soil but this year I read somewhere to plant them deep like a 'mater and it'll grow more roots from the stem. I could see a couple plants in the nursery starting to develop these roots so I'm thinking it would be beneficial. Advice on how deep to plant my peppers would be great. Thanks
I plant mine where the first set of leaves are level with the ground...It makes them a bit more sturdy...
I need to go buy some more tomato cages this year...I haven't had to buy cages in over 10 years...
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Thanks LSS. I'm planning to trellis my maters and peppers this year. Last year my hot banana and maters didnt' do well with the stake up method.
oh, and on a side note, my sugar snap peas are about 4" tall and are sending out the little climbing vine things? reaching for the trellis. These peas are by far outgrowing everything else.
Also, the texas sweet onions are still looking bad. I think a couple of em are done for. On the other hand, I planted some bunching onions from seed and they are reaching for the sun. They are almost 3 inches tall....
That brings me to another question. Bunching onions. Do you just plant one seed and they send up several shoots or do you plant multiple seeds per hole and they don't mind the company?
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I don't know about the bunching onions...I just buy onion sets and plant the individual onions in the ground...
Glad to read about the peas, the shoots are there for them to latch onto something to support them...They generally grow straight up and need something to latch onto to support the weight of the plant. I take 4 tomato cages, place them along the row of peas, string lines over them on every rung and let them hang on to those...
I have found tomato cages are perfect for the majority of pepper plants too...That's the main reason why I have to buy more...
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The peas will soon find the trellis.. I have a 6' tall metal trellis with extra twine strung from to to bottom so they can climb at will.
The onions are called evergreen bunching onions and from what I can tell, you are meant to cut the green just below the surface for salads and such and they somehow spread underground and keep producing year after year. We'll see how that goes. So I guess I answered my own question!
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Also, if anyone has ever grown hops in the DFW area any input is appreciated. Got some rhizomes last weekend that I plan to plant very soon.
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The peas will soon find the trellis.. I have a 6' tall metal trellis with extra twine strung from to to bottom so they can climb at will.
The onions are called evergreen bunching onions and from what I can tell, you are meant to cut the green just below the surface for salads and such and they somehow spread underground and keep producing year after year. We'll see how that goes. So I guess I answered my own question!
They will keep coming back that's for sure. Nobody has lived on our farm for 20 years and they are still there. Try mowing them, gives the yard a nice onion smell. They are similar to your regular green onions, small white end and you can chop it up and use a portion of the green as well.
Planted a handful of items this past weekend in really large buckets (some washtubs and some black plastic containers that trees come in, about 3 ft diameter.) We only planted 4 Roma tomatoe plants (I like them best),2 jalapenos (I'm the only one in the house that will eat them), red/yellow bell peppers (4 plants) and yellow onion bulbs (80 bulbs). Obviously I like to make salsas and hot sauce on the weekends. We also planted about 30 cucumber seeds. My wife wanted to make pickles and teach the kids a little about canning.
We always have fresh rosemary, chives and oregano growing too.
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For tomatoes , I let them get tall then dig a small trench and lay them on their sides. Gently bend the upper part straight up (support it with a garden staple, rock, whatever untils it stays in that position) then cover the root ball and most of the stem with soil. The best tomato cage I've come across is hog wire in 2' wide x 5' high cylinders.
I've had good luck "trenching" some of the taller chili varieties such as serrano , pequin , jalapeno and cayenne.
Can't say on the "bunching onions" but if they're the same as Egyptian or Gypsy (grow several bulbs then small bulbs on the crown that fall off and start another plant) I'd appreciate a source.
For tomatoes , I let them get tall then dig a small trench and lay them on their sides. Gently bend the upper part straight up (support it with a garden staple, rock, whatever untils it stays in that position) then cover the root ball and most of the stem with soil. The best tomato cage I've come across is hog wire in 2' wide x 5' high cylinders.
What does this do for the plants???? Curious I am fixing to plant.
It's just black plastic landscape mulch sheeting...You can get it on Amazon.com and I'm sure most plant nurseries will have it...
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Ask for "landscape fabric".
When I looked at Home Depot, they showed me a black "cloth-like" fabric with lots of small holes in it. But the picture I posted above appears to be solid plastic (no holes). I'll check Callaway's at lunch today, but they routinely disappoint, so I may head to the Mansfield Nursery tonight as well.
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It's just black plastic landscape mulch sheeting...You can get it on Amazon.com and I'm sure most plant nurseries will have it...
Originally Posted By: Siberman
Ask for "landscape fabric".
When I looked at Home Depot, they showed me a black "cloth-like" fabric with lots of small holes in it. But the picture I posted above appears to be solid plastic (no holes). I'll check Callaway's at lunch today, but they routinely disappoint, so I may head to the Mansfield Nursery tonight as well.
They showed you something that is to keep weeds from coming through...
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
For tomatoes , I let them get tall then dig a small trench and lay them on their sides. Gently bend the upper part straight up (support it with a garden staple, rock, whatever untils it stays in that position) then cover the root ball and most of the stem with soil. The best tomato cage I've come across is hog wire in 2' wide x 5' high cylinders.
What does this do for the plants???? Curious I am fixing to plant.
Roots will grow out of the buried stems, doubling or tripling the size of your root ball. The more roots the plant has the more nutrients (nitrogen, etc.) it can take up which should result in a stronger/ healthier plant. The better the plant, the better the yield.
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It's just black plastic landscape mulch sheeting...You can get it on Amazon.com and I'm sure most plant nurseries will have it...
Originally Posted By: Siberman
Ask for "landscape fabric".
When I looked at Home Depot, they showed me a black "cloth-like" fabric with lots of small holes in it. But the picture I posted above appears to be solid plastic (no holes). I'll check Callaway's at lunch today, but they routinely disappoint, so I may head to the Mansfield Nursery tonight as well.
As LoneStar said, you were looking at a non-porous black plastic meant for controlling weeds. It's good if you want to cut holes in it and then water each plant individually (drip systems are good) but it doesn't really do the job. Nut grass will grow up through it quite easily. You might as well buy some "painter's plastic" rolls. Plus, you have to stake it down like crazy or it'll take off like a kite. There's some really good/ heavy varieties out there. I bought some made of recycled soda bottles at Wal-Mart and it does pretty well. If you can find it, there's one that's like a light felt and it lasts for years. You need the stuff that'll let water and fertilizer reach the roots but keep the grass and weeds from coming up.
OK, got her tilled up today. Now for tiller questions. I've been fortunate enough to acquire loaners for the past three seasons. Alwyas making sure to return them in better shape than when I recieved them. Seems it's not that hard to do air filters, oil change, clutch cable, they always could use a little work. The ones I've borrowed have both been front tine Craftsman. The smaller one, 2.5 hp?, seems to be the better of the two. With one exception, it seems to run rich if tilted too far forward or back. I'm pretty good with a wrench, but have not been unable to adjust the carburator to remedy this problem. Reviews I've read indicate that this may be particular to this model. Used a 5.5hp this time, and when it's buried to the tine axle the belt begins to slip, even after adjusting the clutch cable. Just seems like too much tine for a belt drive front tine. Have kept the soil in good working condition for two yrs. now, and light tilling is all that is required. Would welcome any comments on front tine tillers that have worked well for the guys on the garden thread. I'm thinking of making an offer on the 2.5hp, even though it's carburator is problematic.
Sorry sputter, I have no advice on tillers; I broke one that I borrowed and ended up spending 2 hours fixing it, lol.
Yesterday I planted tomatoes, peppers, cucumber, rosemary, and green beans. Didn't have time to plant everything, so today I'll be planting corn, more green beans, squash, and strawberries.
Also, I finally found that black plastic landscapers "mulch." Ace Hardware had it
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Bees.... looking for plants and flowers that bees will be attracted to. Last year I had to play match-maker with my cukes...
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Not much help, but the honey hoarders were really working the arugula that had gone to seed. Probably need to look for some sort of perenial, come to think of it Mexican oregano attracts bees. Has lots of lavender trumpet shaped flowers, grows well even in poor soil, and is very drought tolerant. Need to find me some. I've had similar problems with cukes.
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I hear bees can't see red and are most attracted to blue so, I got some nicely colored flowers including several blues. Thanks
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I really hope we get a lot of rain (just a steady rain is fine) today. I created a rain barrel and added a spigot to run water to the garden. I had to dump about 15 gallons of water to drill the hole out, so I hope to at least fill it back up to that point.
It's just black plastic landscape mulch sheeting...You can get it on Amazon.com and I'm sure most plant nurseries will have it...
Originally Posted By: Siberman
Ask for "landscape fabric".
When I looked at Home Depot, they showed me a black "cloth-like" fabric with lots of small holes in it. But the picture I posted above appears to be solid plastic (no holes). I'll check Callaway's at lunch today, but they routinely disappoint, so I may head to the Mansfield Nursery tonight as well.
As LoneStar said, you were looking at a non-porous black plastic meant for controlling weeds. It's good if you want to cut holes in it and then water each plant individually (drip systems are good) but it doesn't really do the job. Nut grass will grow up through it quite easily. You might as well buy some "painter's plastic" rolls. Plus, you have to stake it down like crazy or it'll take off like a kite. There's some really good/ heavy varieties out there. I bought some made of recycled soda bottles at Wal-Mart and it does pretty well. If you can find it, there's one that's like a light felt and it lasts for years. You need the stuff that'll let water and fertilizer reach the roots but keep the grass and weeds from coming up.
Why not just mulch ? That would stop the weeds and keep the moisture in the dirt better than plastic IMO. At the end of the season you can till it into the dirt or rake it off for next season.
I'll still be mulching the rest of the garden (regular mulch), but I had heard the black plastic does wonders for warming up the soil under tomato & pepper plants (also melons).
But why bother? Nothing a few minutes a day with a hoe can't remedy without having to buy a bunch of stuff and worrying about staking it down. Grandma never used plastic or anything like that. Just a hoe and a little sweat equity!
I'll still be mulching the rest of the garden (regular mulch), but I had heard the black plastic does wonders for warming up the soil under tomato & pepper plants (also melons).
Oh ok I got you your not really worried about weeds you want the ground warmed up by the black plastic in cooler temps, i think we are past that phase. IMO I would be careful what you wish for since we live in tx the heat can be brutal... I also remember Home depot haveing different shades of organic mulch. I believe plastic would be cheaper though.
I tried doing this last year but still am not sure If I am doing it right and could use a little insight from those that have. There are some videos on You Tube about this I will look and see if I can pull them up. Do you pinch all growth growing inbetween the main stalk and the big leaves? What if it has blooms?
Do you guys use soaker hoses or drip systems, just spray the whole yard? I used to just water and spray everything but I dont think thats the way to do it right. Last year I went to the depot and made a drip system with water lines going to the base of each plant, pretty cheap. I think i am going to do the same this year but install a timer on the faucet for even more convenience.
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I use plastic sheeting mulch in my flowerbeds. You cut holes for the plants you want and you don't have to worry about stuff growing in unwanted areas.
In the vegetable garden I use compost, oak leaves, hay, etc. to keep the weeds down. I've got some pretty nice tater hills going this year by piling all this stuff on top of the plants. Like you said, I can till it under after harvest and it'll add to the soil.
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Mulch worked good for me last year.
But why bother? Nothing a few minutes a day with a hoe can't remedy without having to buy a bunch of stuff and worrying about staking it down. Grandma never used plastic or anything like that. Just a hoe and a little sweat equity!
BUT.... old black and white newspaper works really well.
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Do you guys use soaker hoses or drip systems, just spray the whole yard? I used to just water and spray everything but I dont think thats the way to do it right. Last year I went to the depot and made a drip system with water lines going to the base of each plant, pretty cheap. I think i am going to do the same this year but install a timer on the faucet for even more convenience.
There ya go. I built a framework in my garden to support a drip system for my tomatoes and chilis. There's a couple of vinyards in Camp County that use the same system on their vines. Sprinklers waste a lot of water (especially in high heat and wind). I also run soaker hoses down the rows during summer.
I've got two Redbud trees that were covered with honeybees this week. Yeah, I know, the flowers are more purple than red.
OK not trying to hijack this thread, but 22 trout and 1 crappie? Where do you Live?
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Here's a question I'm hoping some of you long-time farmers can answer.
Today I built what I consider the "original" type of bed, as opposed to my Square Foot Garden raised beds. I've got about 6 rows, as you can see in the picture. So if I wanted to set up a soaker hose or some type of watering in this bed, would I run the water to the "valleys" or up on top of the hills, where the seeds are planted (corn, beans, & squash)? I'll be throwing quite a bit of hay on top of this in the next few days for mulch, so I want to get the water set up now on it.
Also, I am planning on fertilizing this bed when the corn sets its tassels, so would I put the manure on the hills, or in the valleys?
Do you guys use soaker hoses or drip systems, just spray the whole yard? I used to just water and spray everything but I dont think thats the way to do it right. Last year I went to the depot and made a drip system with water lines going to the base of each plant, pretty cheap. I think i am going to do the same this year but install a timer on the faucet for even more convenience.
What sort of hose did you use to make the drip system? Did you just poke a couple of small holes at each plant?
For soaker hose or drip, run the line on top of th bed. The old school design of bed and furrow was for what today is considered a type of flood irrigation. In this application water is pumped down the rows(valleys). Not very efficient, not only as far as water usage is concerned, but also when adressing cost of fuel to pump the resource. That being said, I'm all about old school. In small plots the lack of efficiency is neglegable. When fertilizing commercial corn, be it for fresh market or grain, I've always applied dry fertilizer before planting, or liquid at no later than knee high. I'm not suggesting you flatten those pretty beds, but manure is best incorporated into the soil. I would certainly side dress the beds with the manure before placing the hay as a mulch. Hope this helps.
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You can get a drip kit with accesories and 1/2" and 1/4" lines and 1-4gph "drippers" that you put on each tentacle you add to the main 1/2" line. They're like $20. I actually have several of those at some plants and then have a couple of small directional sprayers that'll hit an entire 4x4 bed at once.
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Usually once a day, maybe more depending on if I feel like wiping or not.
For soaker hose or drip, run the line on top of th bed. The old school design of bed and furrow was for what today is considered a type of flood irrigation. In this application water is pumped down the rows(valleys). Not very efficient, not only as far as water usage is concerned, but also when adressing cost of fuel to pump the resource. That being said, I'm all about old school. In small plots the lack of efficiency is neglegable. When fertilizing commercial corn, be it for fresh market or grain, I've always applied dry fertilizer before planting, or liquid at no later than knee high. I'm not suggesting you flatten those pretty beds, but manure is best incorporated into the soil. I would certainly side dress the beds with the manure before placing the hay as a mulch. Hope this helps.
Thanks sputterfuss. A few weeks ago before tilling I worked in some compost and manure, but you're right - I probably need to add a little more. I might also try to track down some fish emulsion or another liquid fert. for later on as well.
Hey man, if you've allready incorporated the manure then your good to go! Seriously anything more could be overkill. Never have used fish emulsion though, can't speak to it's virtures. Should make a fine liquid fertilizer at about knee high. Thing with corn is, once the silks are set on the ears and the tassle has emerged from the top of the plant, pollination has begun. At this time fertilizing the soil is unnecessary.
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You can get kits at Wal-Mart , Lowe's and Home Depot. I built a framework of landscape timbers and 1 x 4s (about 7' high) then attached the main line to the top. That way I can move all of the smaller hoses out of the way and have room to till. You poke a hole over the plant and attach a smaller hose with a dripper on the end. I then attach the dripper to the tomato cage or stake with a small zip tie. The vineyards I mentioned run the main line about 2' high and stick the drippers directly into it.
You can get drippers that'll run anywhere from 1 to 10 gallons an hour. Saves a lot of time and water.
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My onions are itty bitty things and the plant portion is stating to grow a flower. What does that mean?
It means the onions believe they have completed 2 life cycles...This can stunt, or 'bolt', the growth of the onion and usually will keep it from getting bigger...I generally remove the flowering stalk and leave the onion...It won't get as big as the others, but will grow some. This is caused because of the temperature fluctuations we have been experiencing...I've had about 20 plants that have done that and I just pinched off the flower before it had a chance to bloom...
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I got some cilantro growing and it has flowers that are poping out. What does this mean? The last time it did that I got no cilantro and about 15 plants out in the yard the next season. Should I cut the part that has the flower, trim down the plant?
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I got some cilantro growing and it has flowers that are poping out. What does this mean? The last time it did that I got no cilantro and about 15 plants out in the yard the next season. Should I cut the part that has the flower, trim down the plant?
I've never grown cilantro, but from what I've just read, I would say it too is bolting...Apparently this can happen quickly, especially in warm weather...I've seen it suggested that once it flowers you take the seeds from there and replant them, harvesting the cilantro every couple of weeks...
Here is a link to a site I found with this info...
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Onions. Still my Texas sweets look like poo and some are totally dying off. I noticed today that my green onions I planted from seed are starting to turn brown at the tips. Could it be that I'm watering too much or too little?
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Onions. Still my Texas sweets look like poo and some are totally dying off. I noticed today that my green onions I planted from seed are starting to turn brown at the tips. Could it be that I'm watering too much or too little?
Stick your index finger into the bed up to the middle knuckle. If it's moist (not wet) at the tip you should be ok. Another way is to grab a hand full of dirt and squeeze. If the dirt falls apart: water. If it stays in place : ok. If you can build a miniature sand castle : let it dry out a few days.
You might want to test your soil. Onions are heavy feeders.
Siber, I was thinking about planting a mater plant like you said, on its side. But also looking at You Tube I got another idea that might complement lying them on their side. You lay it on its side to get more roots, a bigger root system. Planting them deep I guess would be about the same but put the root system "deeper" then laying on its side. But if you plant them deep or on its side instead of staking the plant you can let it go on the ground. Where ever the vine touches the dirt it should start to set roots so you should have a huge plant that half of its mass is roots. More roots, more nutrients, bigger plants, more produce. Has anyone tried this, I have always staked and grown straight up?
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Siber, I was thinking about planting a mater plant like you said, on its side. But also looking at You Tube I got another idea that might complement lying them on their side. You lay it on its side to get more roots, a bigger root system. Planting them deep I guess would be about the same but put the root system "deeper" then laying on its side. But if you plant them deep or on its side instead of staking the plant you can let it go on the ground. Where ever the vine touches the dirt it should start to set roots so you should have a huge plant that half of its mass is roots. More roots, more nutrients, bigger plants, more produce. Has anyone tried this, I have always staked and grown straight up?
Sounds good but I'd use a larger plant (than the average "six-pack" size ) if I was gonna plant 'em that deep. Yes, the vines on the ground will root . That's a good way to clone your plants for a fall garden. You'll have better success by covering the rooting part with some dirt and maybe using a garden staple to keep it in place. When the roots are established you can cut it away from the mother plant and hopefully get another harvest. I'd keep the fruit off the ground , though, to discourage insects and rot.
Finally got the tomatoes in the ground yesterday. The rest will have to wait. Got some fishing to do, and headed to College Sta. this weekend for a little college softball. Ags vs OU, Gig'em Ags Whoop! Brought three tomatoe plants to Rockort with me today to repay a friend for some concrete reinforcement wire that made some dandy cages. Wife's in charge of taking care of the newly planted tomatoes, while I'm fishing for reds and specks!
Hit up local feed stores and small nurseries for their rabbit or chicken manure. Mansfield Nursery has a sign on the wall (don't have the phone number) that says you can have all the rabbit manure you want for free. Might try giving them a call, but that's a bit of a drive for you.
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Well, here's my update...
carrots, bunching onions, cukes, beans, radishes and peas are looking good. It's amazing how fast a bean can sprout.
Texas sweet bulbing onions are looking sad but I've got a friend that said his white onions are also looking bad but his red onions are doing pretty good so maybe it wasn't a good time for white onions around here?
Tomatoes and peppers in the ground and looking fine.
Hops in the ground. The chinooks are starting to sprout and I've yet to see the cascades but it's early yet.
Lettuces, well, they have come up and put on thier two primary leaves but they have been that way for quite some time. I'm wondering if they need more water. I'll wait till after this rain we are supposed to get to see if that jump starts em.
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Anyone have any luck growing sweet corn if so what is the trick?
When you plant the corn, fertilize it with a well balanced fertilizer...Something like a 12-24-12...
What I do is hoe the row, plant the kernels every 3 to 4 inches, then lightly sprinkle with the fertilizer. Cover them up about .5 to 1 inch deep and water...Then water every day and you'll have corn...Now, also, I plant 4 rows of each kind of corn for the best cross pollination. I've planted 6 different kinds before when I had the 10,000 sq. ft. garden, but wouldn't recommend that on most lots...
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Plant your corn in the same place you planted beans or peas the previous year. The beans will "fix" nitrogen into the soil and help the corn. It also helps to plant climbing beans around your stalks. According to Tinker's Garden , you shouldn't plant corn close to tomatoes. (I think the 'maters attract certain corn pests.)
If you have a lot of raccoons in your area try planting any kind of squash in amongst your corn. They don't like climbing through the vines to get to the corn.
Another way to fertilize is to bury all your fish carcasses where you plant. These are all old "First Nations" methods but they had a thriving population going without the use of tractors or any of our modern chemicals.
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Anyone have any luck growing sweet corn if so what is the trick?
When you plant the corn, fertilize it with a well balanced fertilizer...Something like a 12-24-12...
What I do is hoe the row, plant the kernels every 3 to 4 inches, then lightly sprinkle with the fertilizer. Cover them up about .5 to 1 inch deep and water...Then water every day and you'll have corn...Now, also, I plant 4 rows of each kind of corn for the best cross pollination. I've planted 6 different kinds before when I had the 10,000 sq. ft. garden, but wouldn't recommend that on most lots...
Are you planting genetically modified corn or heirloom ? Do you hoe dirt up around the stalks as they grow or just weed ?
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: C-Man
Anyone have any luck growing sweet corn if so what is the trick?
When you plant the corn, fertilize it with a well balanced fertilizer...Something like a 12-24-12...
What I do is hoe the row, plant the kernels every 3 to 4 inches, then lightly sprinkle with the fertilizer. Cover them up about .5 to 1 inch deep and water...Then water every day and you'll have corn...Now, also, I plant 4 rows of each kind of corn for the best cross pollination. I've planted 6 different kinds before when I had the 10,000 sq. ft. garden, but wouldn't recommend that on most lots...
Are you planting genetically modified corn or heirloom ? Do you hoe dirt up around the stalks as they grow or just weed ?
The year that I had 6 different kinds, I had half and half...It really depends on what I can find in the local stores...I'll say this, the Ruby Queen is one of the best growing, best tasting, hybrid corn I have found...I usually try to hoe the dirt around the stocks once they are between 18 - 24 inches tall...Prior to that I just weed...
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I use Sevin dust to keep things like squash bugs at bay...Or if you can catch the bugs before they hatch (they will be on the underside of the squash leaves), you can remove that leaf from the plant. You will, however, need to stomp the adult squash bugs to keep the population under control.
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About 5-6 days ago I planted it, and yes, I added the mulch before seeing seed growth. Probably shouldn't have done that. I used wheat straw.
Take off the mulch and wait until it's at least 6 inches tall before you put it back...Water it tonight and you should see some growth by next Wednesday...
You didn't plant it deeper than an inch did you?
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So, with the temps forcasted to be in the lower 40's tonight in DFW, do we cover any plants?
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I use Sevin dust to keep things like squash bugs at bay...Or if you can catch the bugs before they hatch (they will be on the underside of the squash leaves), you can remove that leaf from the plant. You will, however, need to stomp the adult squash bugs to keep the population under control.
+ 1 . I don't like to use poison but after several years of mosaic virus (transmitted by aphids) on my squash I broke out the Sevin . I tried to keep enough ladybugs around but the dang fire ants kept runnin' em off.
Thats what I am thinking myself siberman. I believe I will have to use some seven . I guess I better start it now while the plants are not in bloom and since I just platted to get a early start with the cheicals and then when everything goes into bloom I will try to stick with organic bug control.
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Thats what I am thinking myself siberman. I believe I will have to use some seven . I guess I better start it now while the plants are not in bloom and since I just platted to get a early start with the cheicals and then when everything goes into bloom I will try to stick with organic bug control.
If you do use Sevin, remember to wear latex or plastic gloves. I also wear a mask, rubber boots and socks...I wash off my rubber boots and through away the mask and gloves after every application...
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I've spent some time in the garden today and I have volunteer cucumber or squash (not sure which because there are only 2 leaves and the cucumbers I planted last year came up looking like squash) and lots of tomato plants...
I have blooms on some of my cherry tomatoes and one early girl plant.
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Thats what I am thinking myself siberman. I believe I will have to use some seven . I guess I better start it now while the plants are not in bloom and since I just platted to get a early start with the cheicals and then when everything goes into bloom I will try to stick with organic bug control.
If you do use Sevin, remember to wear latex or plastic gloves. I also wear a mask, rubber boots and socks...I wash off my rubber boots and through away the mask and gloves after every application...
I remember using this stuff and getting covered in it when I used to put it on my dogs as a kid. I guess that's why I have this weird twitch...
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Thats what I am thinking myself siberman. I believe I will have to use some seven . I guess I better start it now while the plants are not in bloom and since I just platted to get a early start with the cheicals and then when everything goes into bloom I will try to stick with organic bug control.
If you do use Sevin, remember to wear latex or plastic gloves. I also wear a mask, rubber boots and socks...I wash off my rubber boots and through away the mask and gloves after every application...
I remember using this stuff and getting covered in it when I used to put it on my dogs as a kid. I guess that's why I have this weird twitch...
Well, I prefer not to let poisons on me, but then again, I'm weird...
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****POSSIBLE FROST TOMORROW MORNING****
CBS 11 is reporting some areas of North Texas might receive a light frost tomorrow morning...If you have plants you've transplanted within the last 3 days or so, you may want to protect them...Milk bottles are great for this...Most plants that have been in the ground longer than that can withstand a light frost...It's always better to be safe than sorry...
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I remember using this stuff and getting covered in it when I used to put it on my dogs as a kid. I guess that's why I have this weird twitch...
Years ago we had fleas invade our carpet. On advice from another I treated the dog and the carpet with Sevin. I don't remember how long we left it on the carpet, but I know it was at least several days, because you had to treat long enough to affect newly hatching fleas. I never thought of it as strong poison, more along the lines of a medicated powder. I guess I lived through it.
I remember using this stuff and getting covered in it when I used to put it on my dogs as a kid. I guess that's why I have this weird twitch...
Years ago we had fleas invade our carpet. On advice from another I treated the dog and the carpet with Sevin. I don't remember how long we left it on the carpet, but I know it was at least several days, because you had to treat long enough to affect newly hatching fleas. I never thought of it as strong poison, more along the lines of a medicated powder. I guess I lived through it.
My tomato plants were wilting - I was not watering enough apparently, so I gave them a good drink last night, and will continue doing that until they perk back up. I think since I used that black plastic mulch, it dries out the soil faster than the other beds, so I'll just need to water more.
I removed all the mulch from my corn bed and watered thoroughly last night as well.
The green beans and cucumbers sprouted and are looking great. Also, the lettuce has not looked particularly great all year long (it wasn't planted in enough sun) but after mulching the other day, it started growing like crazy. That's cool, I might just get to eat some yet!
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MSR, in the spring, it's best to water in the morning before work...Now it's okay to do it occasionally at night, but it can cause the plants to develop a fungus if they are left wet and cold at night...
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I forgot to ask earlier, but since I'll be planting them today, has anyone had any success growing eggplants? My mom has asked me to plant 4 eggplant plants and the last time I tried it, it didn't turn out so well...That was at another house, with clay soil, so I'm hoping that was the issue...Any suggestions or helpful hints are appreciated...
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I grew them last year but only did one plant. I turned up about 4 large egg plants (squash). Not a very tall pant or wide either but that could of been something I did wrong. The plant only grew to about less than 2' tall and about 16" wide. I guess they wont get to tall since they wont be able to support the weight.
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We have our first tomato!!!!!! My mom was given an Early Girl tomato plant from a friend. I planted it last week and although it already had a few blooms, I didn't know if it would produce. Well, while I was putting out some tomato cages a little while ago, I saw one little tomato starting...Woohoo!!!!
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I forgot to ask earlier, but since I'll be planting them today, has anyone had any success growing eggplants? My mom has asked me to plant 4 eggplant plants and the last time I tried it, it didn't turn out so well...That was at another house, with clay soil, so I'm hoping that was the issue...Any suggestions or helpful hints are appreciated...
Can't really help you there. My wife grew one in a container on the patio, and it produced, but not well. I told her that the fact our patio is covered and the plant only got 3 or 4 hours of sun might have had something to do with it.
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Eggplants : good rich soil and full sun . If they're in full sun during the hotter months be sure and mulch / water well. The can get thick-skinned if you grow 'em in desert conditions so I like to plant mine where they get some shade after about 2:00 pm.
After inspecting the plants today (I really should have been paying more attention over the last few days), I have a myriad of problems. Several plants have holes eaten through the leaves - the potatoes and cowpeas are the worst off. I'm not really sure what to do, but I had heard I can spray with a detergent/water combination. Dang pests.
The tomatoes are still wilting, though I watered them quite a bit last night and this morning. It's not even that hot!? I'll keep giving them lots of water in the mornings before work to help them start perking back up, but so far it's not looking great (it's only been ~24 hours, though).
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After inspecting the plants today (I really should have been paying more attention over the last few days), I have a myriad of problems. Several plants have holes eaten through the leaves - the potatoes and cowpeas are the worst off. I'm not really sure what to do, but I had heard I can spray with a detergent/water combination. Dang pests.
The tomatoes are still wilting, though I watered them quite a bit last night and this morning. It's not even that hot!? I'll keep giving them lots of water in the mornings before work to help them start perking back up, but so far it's not looking great (it's only been ~24 hours, though).
I have some that are wilting as well. It's because I haven't mulched mine yet...Have you mulched yours? I'll be doing that row tomorrow after I finish planting the peppers and tomato plants I bought today...
I'm almost done planting mine. I can finally see a light at the end of the tunnel...
Don't over water your tomatoes, MSR...They need .5 to 1 inch per week and that's it...
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Eggplants : good rich soil and full sun . If they're in full sun during the hotter months be sure and mulch / water well. The can get thick-skinned if you grow 'em in desert conditions so I like to plant mine where they get some shade after about 2:00 pm.
Thank you...I planted mine where they will get some shade, but mostly full sun...
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I "mulched" using that black plastic sheeting, but after speaking with my grandpa, he changed my mind on it. So I ripped it all up (sheesh, what a waste tracking that stuff down last week).
So, now instead of that stuff, I put down my wheat straw mulch. I'm thinking that will: 1) help the plants get more air circulation to the roots and 2) help get more sunshine to the roots. I hope for the best...
I "mulched" using that black plastic sheeting, but after speaking with my grandpa, he changed my mind on it. So I ripped it all up (sheesh, what a waste tracking that stuff down last week).
So, now instead of that stuff, I put down my wheat straw mulch. I'm thinking that will: 1) help the plants get more air circulation to the roots and 2) help get more sunshine to the roots. I hope for the best...
Black plastic sheeting is good early in the season to help sterilize the soil. This time of year I would not think it would be neccesary. Wheat straw will 1. not help the roots get more air circulation, unless tilled in the soil and 2. Will definitely not get more sunshine to the roots, the roots will not tolerate sunshine. The wheat straw as mulch will help keep the soil moist and help with weeds growing but thats about it.
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I remember using this stuff and getting covered in it when I used to put it on my dogs as a kid. I guess that's why I have this weird twitch...
Years ago we had fleas invade our carpet. On advice from another I treated the dog and the carpet with Sevin. I don't remember how long we left it on the carpet, but I know it was at least several days, because you had to treat long enough to affect newly hatching fleas. I never thought of it as strong poison, more along the lines of a medicated powder. I guess I lived through it.
use this for fleas in the yard and house. You can spray the dogs and cats with a diluted orange oil sold everywhere.
I "mulched" using that black plastic sheeting, but after speaking with my grandpa, he changed my mind on it. So I ripped it all up (sheesh, what a waste tracking that stuff down last week).
So, now instead of that stuff, I put down my wheat straw mulch. I'm thinking that will: 1) help the plants get more air circulation to the roots and 2) help get more sunshine to the roots. I hope for the best...
Black plastic sheeting is good early in the season to help sterilize the soil. This time of year I would not think it would be neccesary. Wheat straw will 1. not help the roots get more air circulation, unless tilled in the soil and 2. Will definitely not get more sunshine to the roots, the roots will not tolerate sunshine. The wheat straw as mulch will help keep the soil moist and help with weeds growing but thats about it.
You're right; I worded it wrong. I meant it will get more air circulation to the base of the plant, as opposed to the black plastic which is not permeable by air, water, or light.
I woke up early this morning to water the corn. It was chilly, but didn't freeze.
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I "mulched" using that black plastic sheeting, but after speaking with my grandpa, he changed my mind on it. So I ripped it all up (sheesh, what a waste tracking that stuff down last week).
So, now instead of that stuff, I put down my wheat straw mulch. I'm thinking that will: 1) help the plants get more air circulation to the roots and 2) help get more sunshine to the roots. I hope for the best...
Black plastic sheeting is good early in the season to help sterilize the soil. This time of year I would not think it would be neccesary. Wheat straw will 1. not help the roots get more air circulation, unless tilled in the soil and 2. Will definitely not get more sunshine to the roots, the roots will not tolerate sunshine. The wheat straw as mulch will help keep the soil moist and help with weeds growing but thats about it.
You're right; I worded it wrong. I meant it will get more air circulation to the base of the plant, as opposed to the black plastic which is not permeable by air, water, or light.
I woke up early this morning to water the corn. It was chilly, but didn't freeze.
It was a balmy 49 at 7:00 this morning down here in Paradise...So in the words of The Simpsons' Nelson, 'HA! HA!'
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Make sure you don't breathe in the dust from diatomaceous earth. It's made up of the fossilized shells of micro-crustaceans and every grain is like a little ball of razor blades.
need help with irrigation..i have a 22'x27' garden and its gonna be cramped so i need ideas for watering each plant...56 tomatos,onions,6 peppers,2 cuc's,and 2 okra..thanks
need help with irrigation..i have a 22'x27' garden and its gonna be cramped so i need ideas for watering each plant...56 tomatos,onions,6 peppers,2 cuc's,and 2 okra..thanks
Soaker hose, if things are really packed you might need to thin the herd a little. Too many plants to close could cause a decrease in produce
the plants have enough room to grow but it'll be cramped trying to get to them...i am looking for some thing i can hook up to the sprinkler system so it can be automated
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I would say a drip system but I'm not sure how you'd hook it up to your sprinklers . You'd definitely need to add a pressure regulator between it and the larger system as most drip systems are low flow.
I'd recommend watering at the bases of the plants anyway. That's a lot of tomatoes for a plot that size and you don't want to risk getting any kind of mold or fungus ( possible from sprinkling the foilage) that would spread pretty easily with your plants that close to each other.
I would prefer drip myself but running 66 lines is going to be a big project in itself. Also space is cramped so if the lines are not buried you would be tripping over them. Either way would work just depends on how much money and time you are ready to spend. A soaker hose will take about 1 hour and 20 dollars and a drip would be a whole day and cost 3X as much. Either soaker or drip you can buy a timer for the water faucet for around 20-40 dollars on the cheap. If you want to tap into your sprinkler system that would be easy I would think , Home Depot has every type of connector.
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Just unloaded 2 cubic yards of mulch by the bucketfull. Garden looking good. Will post pictures after wife get the gnomes in.... Gnomes are not German peppers....
thanks,i am so sorry for not being more specific about the information i am requesting siberman..i would like some GOOD(meaning something that you would recomend) other than a generic funny guy answer..this is a great thread and most seem to want to help each other out with info, but it seems thier is always the exception to the rule
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thanks,i am so sorry for not being more specific about the information i am requesting siberman..i would like some GOOD(meaning something that you would recomend) other than a generic funny guy answer..this is a great thread and most seem to want to help each other out with info, but it seems thier is always the exception to the rule
Sorry if I offended you, bud. There's some good sites on that google page. In response to your question: try chicken litter.
My tomatoes aren't dead yet...they're really trying to die though. I'm contemplating just buying 3 more, but who knows - I might kill those too.
The corns, beans, cucumbers, squash, and peas are all growing really well. The peas & potatoes seem to be the woodlice' favorite treat to snack on...little devils. I went outside at like 10:15 Saturday night, and the potato plants were COVERED in woodlice. I grabbed most of them off of there, and many had already fallen to their death in the yeast-water. Hopefully they'll quit coming around. If not, I'll buy some dichotomous earth.
Anyone know what strawberries should look like after about 8 days? I still see nothing.
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Some updates:
My tomatoes aren't dead yet...they're really trying to die though. I'm contemplating just buying 3 more, but who knows - I might kill those too.
The corns, beans, cucumbers, squash, and peas are all growing really well. The peas & potatoes seem to be the woodlice' favorite treat to snack on...little devils. I went outside at like 10:15 Saturday night, and the potato plants were COVERED in woodlice. I grabbed most of them off of there, and many had already fallen to their death in the yeast-water. Hopefully they'll quit coming around. If not, I'll buy some dichotomous earth.
Anyone know what strawberries should look like after about 8 days? I still see nothing.
What do the tomatoes look like?
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Kind of green at the top, but brittle leaves. Several yellow/dead leaves at the base of the plant. And it hasn't grown any since being transplanted, about 12 days ago. Overall, the plant seems fairly dry, unlike when I bought it.
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How often do you water it? It could be that it's getting too much water or not enough...It could also be doodle bugs getting to it...Those suckers are EVIL...
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Evil is right. They ate one of my cowpea's stems - on the inside of the stem! Crazy...it was like a hollow straw with a couple roots.
I water every couple days...If I had to guess the amount, I'd say somewhere about 10-12 oz. of water. I recycled a lot of old glass bottles we used, and fill them up with rainwater, and about 1/2 a bottle on each plant. The soil seems to stay moist for about a day and a half, hence the "every other day" watering.
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Go out about 10 to 20 minutes after you've watered and look for doodle bugs...They like to pop up after the ground has been watered...If you see a bunch of them, that's going to be the problem.
How big are the plants? If they are 3 inches tall, that's too much water...6 - 12 inches, good amount of water...Taller than that, you need to get them a bit more of the liquid life...
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No you're not too late...With Perrin being further north, now is a great time to get those things in the ground...Remember on the Okra seeds to soak them in water for 24 hours before planting them...
The only thing that might not produce as well would be the carrots, but I'd think you're still okay on those...
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Remember on the Okra seeds to soak them in water for 24 hours before planting them...
Never heard of that???? Whats the thought process behind it?
Thanks
It helps them to sprout up sooner...I've done it both without soaking and with and soaking is faster...I put them in a bowl, cover them with some water, put a plate over it and then about 24 hours later, in the ground they go...
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My garden is going in to late because the cool temps stayed around so long, but the main reason, was that it was so wet I couldn't plow/fertilize and get everything ready.
Just planted another row of corn. It's unreal how dry the ground is considering how much rain we had....
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My garden is going in to late because the cool temps stayed around so long, but the main reason, was that it was so wet I couldn't plow/fertilize and get everything ready.
Just planted another row of corn. It's unreal how dry the ground is considering how much rain we had....
I've been there...I think it was 2004 that I planted the garden only to have it flood and then I had to replant the garden... I didn't get my garden in until late last year, but I started preparing in December and January this year...I've had the onions in since 1/11 and they are doing great...
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My tomato leaves are also turning brown on the bottom. I dug down in the soil well beside the plants and it is moist from 2 inches down. Also, I did see a doodle bug out there. So, what do I do? Oh, last time I watered was Thursday.
Other than that, everything else looks good except my basil never sprouted so I just replanted and my lettuces are stuck at half an inch and browning. I'm probably going to till those under and plant some okra and or more bell peppers
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According to the almanac , the 16th and 17th are prime corn/tomato/bean/pepper planting days. All I've got in the ground right now are onions and greens.
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My tomato leaves are also turning brown on the bottom. I dug down in the soil well beside the plants and it is moist from 2 inches down. Also, I did see a doodle bug out there. So, what do I do? Oh, last time I watered was Thursday.
Other than that, everything else looks good except my basil never sprouted so I just replanted and my lettuces are stuck at half an inch and browning. I'm probably going to till those under and plant some okra and or more bell peppers
You need to water a bit more on the tomatoes...
On the doodle bugs, if you're not growing organic, water, then put out the Sevin Dust...That'll take care of them...
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Pill bugs, doodle bugs, rolly polly are most often refered to on insecticide lables as sow beetles. I'm more likely to call an antlion a doodle bug. Had to research this one, turns out the antlion is the larva of a brown flying insect. Looks similar to the green lacewing but much larger, 3" long or more. Green lacewing larvae look similar to lady bug larvae, with larger chewing mouth parts. In both instances it is the larvae that prey on aphids, thrips, whiteflies, and such; not the adults. Sow beetles can be controlled by the same means as slugs and snails. Not sure if the beer in a cup trick would work on sow beetles.
When I water my plants, I typically water around the base of the plant - I don't pour water from overhead. But, I was talking to a friend who said that's how she does it. Since I've always heard opposite, let me ask what do you guys and girls do?
I will say I don't care as much on the onions and carrots. They're too close for me to care that much...and they seem to be fine.
When I water my plants, I typically water around the base of the plant - I don't pour water from overhead. But, I was talking to a friend who said that's how she does it. Since I've always heard opposite, let me ask what do you guys and girls do?
I will say I don't care as much on the onions and carrots. They're too close for me to care that much...and they seem to be fine.
IMO I try to water the base of the plant also. About once a week I will "foliar" feed and spray the leaves with a light solution of nutrients, but only in the early evenings when I know that the moisture will dry off and not sit on the plants for hours and hours. That could lead to fungus growing on the leaves with the moisture just sitting there. Also you can burn the plants by watering them during the day, so I have heard. The water drops sitting on the plant during the day can be like a magnifying glass effect in the sun and burn the leaves. So, normally I will water the base of the plant and once a week foliar feed.
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Wait a minute, you're SUPPOSED to water the plants? Dang it, I knew I was doing something wrong...
MSR, I water overhead and at the base, and it really doesn't matter too much. It depends on the time of the year and the size of the plant...The larger the plants, the harder to hand water without doing it overhead...Thus the reason I'm going to be investing in some soaker hoses...
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Planted a bunch more herbs today - Oregano, basil, thyme, dill... and darnya, LSS, the tomato bug is spreading. Got another 20 more plants to find somewhere to find space for.
Oh, and I sprayed (watered) my garden with Miracle Grow last weekend. I can already see a difference in how much they have grown. Tomatoes plants had 2 yeloow blooms yesterday with about 5-6 more little buds forming. Bell peppers ahd 3-4 little buds. Onions are taking off nicely too.
Was planning on installing 2 more rain barrels tomorrow, until I did a bit looking on the internet. Apparently the runoff from roofs is some nasty, nasty stuff. Contains all kinds of bad chemicals and metals, and you're not supposed to use it for watering vegetables.
Oops.
So, dang. Do you pay for using "clean" water from the tap (which actually contains chlorine) or do you put unhealthy chemicals into your plants?
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I'm using the unhealthy chemicals from the roof Cheaper that way
So last night I decided to do away with all the lettuces I planted since they never did anything. Replaced em with two bell peppers and some okra. Not sure I've ever seen an okra plant before... I'm looking forward to it.
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Was planning on installing 2 more rain barrels tomorrow, until I did a bit looking on the internet. Apparently the runoff from roofs is some nasty, nasty stuff. Contains all kinds of bad chemicals and metals, and you're not supposed to use it for watering vegetables.
Oops.
So, dang. Do you pay for using "clean" water from the tap (which actually contains chlorine) or do you put unhealthy chemicals into your plants?
If you let the water from the tap sit for 24 hours the chlorine will evaporate out of the water. Rain water would be great just have to build some type of rain trap.
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Well I finally finished getting everything in except the watermelons and cantaloupes. Those will go in tomorrow after I make a run into town for some more topsoil...
Kattelyn, I lost count of how many tomato and pepper plants I have, but I'd guess somewhere around 250 total (not including any volunteers)...I do need to replace a couple of pepper plants that some animals got to... I know I have somewhere between 600 and 700 items in the garden (including onions) and that I'm tired...Other than that, I don't know much.
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Was planning on installing 2 more rain barrels tomorrow, until I did a bit looking on the internet. Apparently the runoff from roofs is some nasty, nasty stuff. Contains all kinds of bad chemicals and metals, and you're not supposed to use it for watering vegetables.
Oops.
So, dang. Do you pay for using "clean" water from the tap (which actually contains chlorine) or do you put unhealthy chemicals into your plants?
One of the reasons my watering system hits the flowerbeds and not the gardens is because of the chemicals. I'm not an organic grower, as I use Miracle Gro and Sevin Dust, but I do try to know what is going on, or in, the ground...
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Oh, and I sprayed (watered) my garden with Miracle Grow last weekend. I can already see a difference in how much they have grown. Tomatoes plants had 2 yeloow blooms yesterday with about 5-6 more little buds forming. Bell peppers ahd 3-4 little buds. Onions are taking off nicely too.
I water every Sunday or Monday with Miracle Gro, as long as rain is at least 2 to 3 days away...I found a huge lot of Miracle Gro on craigslist, along with other items, like bug spray, mole traps, etc. and paid well below 50% for it...Otherwise I'd be doing it every two weeks...
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Planted a bunch more herbs today - Oregano, basil, thyme, dill... and darnya, LSS, the tomato bug is spreading. Got another 20 more plants to find somewhere to find space for.
They say basil is a good deterrent for mosquitoes...Have you found this to be true, Kattelyn?
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Went looking for a bird house to see if I can get some birds in to take care of the bugs. i found a blue bird house that I am going to mount close to the garden. Any one have any luck bringing the birds in?
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My aunt hangs bell shaped things that are made out of bird seed...She's done well with that, but then again, some birds will eat, or peck at, your vegetables...It's kind of a danged if you do, danged if you don't situation...
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Anyone know if this works? Save some platic bottles, like 2 liter bottles or so, poke some holes in it, bury it about 1/3 deep and fill it with water so it can do it's own drip irrigation? Seems like a good idea for smaller gardens, which I have. Does it work?
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Anyone know if this works? Save some platic bottles, like 2 liter bottles or so, poke some holes in it, bury it about 1/3 deep and fill it with water so it can do it's own drip irrigation? Seems like a good idea for smaller gardens, which I have. Does it work?
I bought some deals that allow you to screw on bottles, but I never used them. I wanted them for the heat of the summer, when I leave for a few days. Some plants can't make it a day without water around here.
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Anyone know if this works? Save some platic bottles, like 2 liter bottles or so, poke some holes in it, bury it about 1/3 deep and fill it with water so it can do it's own drip irrigation? Seems like a good idea for smaller gardens, which I have. Does it work?
Yes , it works. Gallon milk jugs are good for keeping newly planted trees watered.
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Pill bugs, doodle bugs, rolly polly are most often refered to on insecticide lables as sow beetles. I'm more likely to call an antlion a doodle bug. Had to research this one, turns out the antlion is the larva of a brown flying insect. Looks similar to the green lacewing but much larger, 3" long or more.
Wow, you learn somthin' new every day.
Green lacewing larvae look similar to lady bug larvae, with larger chewing mouth parts. In both instances it is the larvae that prey on aphids, thrips, whiteflies, and such; not the adults.
I think adults eat some aphids, just not nearly as much as the larvae.
Sow beetles can be controlled by the same means as slugs and snails. Not sure if the beer in a cup trick would work on sow beetles.
Yeah , that's what I tell my fellow Baptists when we meet at the beer store. "I'm just buying snail bait."
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Was planning on installing 2 more rain barrels tomorrow, until I did a bit looking on the internet. Apparently the runoff from roofs is some nasty, nasty stuff. Contains all kinds of bad chemicals and metals, and you're not supposed to use it for watering vegetables.
Oops.
So, dang. Do you pay for using "clean" water from the tap (which actually contains chlorine) or do you put unhealthy chemicals into your plants?
I use the roof runoff for the flowers and the water from a 1900 gallon fish pond for the veggies. I have used the roof water on chilis grown in containers with no ill effects. If you're worried you can always put a few barrels out in the yard someplace.
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Went looking for a bird house to see if I can get some birds in to take care of the bugs. i found a blue bird house that I am going to mount close to the garden. Any one have any luck bringing the birds in?
Went looking for a bird house to see if I can get some birds in to take care of the bugs. i found a blue bird house that I am going to mount close to the garden. Any one have any luck bringing the birds in?
Did you see my cage to keep birds OUT? Actually, we have a feeder near the house, and it doesn't take long for the birds to find it. The problem with birds is as soon as tomatoes or peppers start to show any red, the birds peck at them...
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Went looking for a bird house to see if I can get some birds in to take care of the bugs. i found a blue bird house that I am going to mount close to the garden. Any one have any luck bringing the birds in?
Did you see my cage to keep birds OUT? Actually, we have a feeder near the house, and it doesn't take long for the birds to find it. The problem with birds is as soon as tomatoes or peppers start to show any red, the birds peck at them...
Some birds ( mockingbirds, chickens , etc.) do peck at red fruits. Bluebirds and Purple Martins don't (IME).
Went looking for a bird house to see if I can get some birds in to take care of the bugs. i found a blue bird house that I am going to mount close to the garden. Any one have any luck bringing the birds in?
Did you see my cage to keep birds OUT? Actually, we have a feeder near the house, and it doesn't take long for the birds to find it. The problem with birds is as soon as tomatoes or peppers start to show any red, the birds peck at them...
Some birds ( mockingbirds, chickens , etc.) do peck at red fruits. Bluebirds and Purple Martins don't (IME).
Went looking for a bird house to see if I can get some birds in to take care of the bugs. i found a blue bird house that I am going to mount close to the garden. Any one have any luck bringing the birds in?
Did you see my cage to keep birds OUT? Actually, we have a feeder near the house, and it doesn't take long for the birds to find it. The problem with birds is as soon as tomatoes or peppers start to show any red, the birds peck at them...
Some birds ( mockingbirds, chickens , etc.) do peck at red fruits. Bluebirds and Purple Martins don't (IME).
I have faith that the dog will keep them away if need be, if not I will take care of them,lol. I have birds in the garden all year long. The only problems I ever had from birds was in the dead heat of summer when they are looking for water. Most times I have seen them they were pecking at the plants but they were taking bugs. Birds picking peppers are some bad ars birds,lol, theres not much that will mess with peppers. Ill watch it and if it turns into a problem Ill move it away.
Birds picking peppers are some bad ars birds,lol, theres not much that will mess with peppers. Ill watch it and if it turns into a problem Ill move it away.
It was just bell peppers they were getting into, not jalapeños. My wife wanted to let them fully ripen and change colors on the vine, but had to start picking them green.
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Tomatoes are really starting to look bad. After doing some research I believe the pH of my mix is too low due to the amount of peat I used. Although, the peas and peppers are looking good. So, what can I ammend my soil with? Also, would it be beneficial to add some chicken or cow poo compost as well as some fertilizer specific for tomatoes?
This is the first year for my raised beds so I'm sure it needs some tinkerin
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Tomatoes are really starting to look bad. After doing some research I believe the pH of my mix is too low due to the amount of peat I used. Although, the peas and peppers are looking good. So, what can I ammend my soil with? Also, would it be beneficial to add some chicken or cow poo compost as well as some fertilizer specific for tomatoes?
This is the first year for my raised beds so I'm sure it needs some tinkerin
I'm in the same boat, DH, and I'll bet it's for the same reason. I was actually going to add some fertilizer tonight around the tomato plants. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Tomatoes are really starting to look bad. After doing some research I believe the pH of my mix is too low due to the amount of peat I used. Although, the peas and peppers are looking good. So, what can I ammend my soil with? Also, would it be beneficial to add some chicken or cow poo compost as well as some fertilizer specific for tomatoes?
This is the first year for my raised beds so I'm sure it needs some tinkerin
I'm in the same boat, DH, and I'll bet it's for the same reason. I was actually going to add some fertilizer tonight around the tomato plants. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Tomatoes are really starting to look bad. After doing some research I believe the pH of my mix is too low due to the amount of peat I used. Although, the peas and peppers are looking good. So, what can I ammend my soil with? Also, would it be beneficial to add some chicken or cow poo compost as well as some fertilizer specific for tomatoes?
This is the first year for my raised beds so I'm sure it needs some tinkerin
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Tomatoes are really starting to look bad. After doing some research I believe the pH of my mix is too low due to the amount of peat I used. Although, the peas and peppers are looking good. So, what can I ammend my soil with? Also, would it be beneficial to add some chicken or cow poo compost as well as some fertilizer specific for tomatoes?
This is the first year for my raised beds so I'm sure it needs some tinkerin
I'm in the same boat, DH, and I'll bet it's for the same reason. I was actually going to add some fertilizer tonight around the tomato plants. I'll let you know how it goes.
I would suggest both of you add some gypsum to the soil...
DH, you may want to get a general fertilizer...Something along a 15-15-15 and add that as well to the soil...
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I'll try the gypsum, limestone and fertilizer.
Last year I grew a couple tomatoes in a pots with a generic soil and they didn't really take off until I dug a hole and slid a fish carcass underneath the plant....
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Man , I have got a cutworm in the tomatoes. When do they feed , at night? I know the best way is to put a cut plastic cup at the base. What else can I do since I have a soaker hose running through the middle of each plant and will have to raise the soaker hose in order to put the cups. I am trying tostay organinc but If need be the chemicals will have to come out.....
If it is the cutworm, I see them in the afternoon. If it's the hornworm, I see them in the morning...I kill them by knocking them off and stomping them...Or if I have my gloves on just squish them in my fingers...
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No , its the cutworm. I had a branch cut day before yesterday and thought it was the kids that did it by accident. I just walked thought the garden and theres another on the same plant. I read they do their dirty work at night....To control climbing and army cutworms, dust plants with Sevin according to label directions. Black cutworms are harder to control because they don’t climb on the leaves. The best way to protect plants against them is to create a barrier around the plant. You can cut out the bottom of a 6- or 8-ounce plastic cup and trim the top down so that all you have left is a ring about 3 inches tall. Slip it over the plant and push it an inch or so into the ground so that it is firmly fixed. The result is a little fence that protects the transplant from the worm.
I am going out there right now to dig that little critter up and take care of him......LOL
Now I need to apply some chemical agent . If theres one there is room for others. I have sprayed the garden with Neem Oil and rotenone pyrethisis ( I think thats how its spelled) seven days ago. The label says to apply every seven days so today would be time to do it again. The problem is I dont see it working at all, didnt last year either. While I was digging for the cutworm I found a doo doo bug and a small milipede I guess its time for seven dust... I have introduced about 20 plants into my garden though in the last week
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Need to find tobasco plants near Lewisville/Flower Mound area. Can anybody help.... Have tried Lowes/Home Depot and the local nurseries...no luck. Thanks fellers....
Need to find tobasco plants near Lewisville/Flower Mound area. Can anybody help.... Have tried Lowes/Home Depot and the local nurseries...no luck. Thanks fellers....
If all else fails try the farmers market in downtown Dallas. While your there eat all the free samples also,lol.
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Have you tried a Wal Mart yet ? They usually carry them for a couple months . If you don't have any luck you can always direct-seed outside. They grow pretty fast.
I'll keep a lookout and if I find any we can meet in Sulpher Springs or thereabouts if you want.
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You can cut the cup / toilet paper roll / paper towel roll down the side and open it up enough to go around the base of the plant then make sure it's closed when you bury it.
The wood ashes spread around the plant (described on that "cutworm" link ) work pretty well too.
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Does anybody grow their tomatoes in the same place every year ? I usually do but last year they didn't perform very well. Soil was ok but we had a really wet summer. Think I ought to move 'em this year ?
Somebody hurry up and answer. I'm planting tomorrow.
My grandpa grew his in the same year every year. Technically it isn't supposed to be done thanks to disease and soil nutrients, but I bet you could get by with it, with close inspection for disease and adding some compost to the soil.
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Does anybody grow their tomatoes in the same place every year ? I usually do but last year they didn't perform very well. Soil was ok but we had a really wet summer. Think I ought to move 'em this year ?
Somebody hurry up and answer. I'm planting tomorrow.
I will grow mine in the same spot for no more than 3 years in a row. Then I rotate the whole garden...It's one of the reasons I have a map drawn out of where everything will go before I start planting...
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I rotate everything else but I've always heard that maters will do well in the same place. Think I'll put 'em around the asparagus this year.
You ever had any problems growing them near corn ?
I don't remember ever planting them near corn...I do know according to that companion guide posted earlier in the thread, tomatoes are a bad companion for corn...
Hey LSS, here is that image I was telling you about earlier.
Here's the question:
You can see the corn, right next to the beans, on the lower left/right and top left/right. The question is the blades of "grass" in the middle. I am a bit confused because, though they have a seed at the bottom of the root, they were no where near where I planted anything. For this reason, I assume they're weeds. I would just like to know what they are before I hoe them up. I couldn't get a picture of the seed, but it was about 3 mm long, a dark-yellow-ish color. Didn't really look like corn, though.
Just picked up a few habenaro and jalapeno plants today. How far do these need to be apart? Anything else I need to know about them? This is the first time I have grown anything at all.
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18 - 24 inches apart in rows that are 24 - 36 inches apart...Plant them to where the bottom leaves are on the ground (should be about 3 or 4 inches deep)...Water them when you plant them and then give them a little drink every day or every other day...Not with a heavy spray, but a light spray, for 5 to 10 seconds...They like mostly sunny to full sun areas...
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Just picked up a few habenaro and jalapeno plants today. How far do these need to be apart? Anything else I need to know about them? This is the first time I have grown anything at all.
Did you get these from Laurie's Garden? I was there and wanted to look, but it was overrun with kids and their parents both times I went...
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She actually has some really nice plants, and if you pay attention, you can get a good deal...Some are a bit pricey, but overall I like it...I'm going to go there and to the other plant store on Hwy 22 (headed back towards the dam) tomorrow...
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MSR, I think that 'grass' is coming from the straw. I also have straw or hay or whatever it is and it started growing those same blades of 'grass'
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MSR, I think that 'grass' is coming from the straw. I also have straw or hay or whatever it is and it started growing those same blades of 'grass'
DH, you may be onto something....I wonder if it could be wheat, since I am using wheat straw. That would explain the spotty locations of the "grass blades," and would explain the "seed" at the bottom of each blade.
Well I think you nailed it; that is a little aggravating, though - the whole reason I bought wheat straw was so it would not go to seed. Oh well, time to hoe!
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MSR, I think that 'grass' is coming from the straw. I also have straw or hay or whatever it is and it started growing those same blades of 'grass'
DH, you may be onto something....I wonder if it could be wheat, since I am using wheat straw. That would explain the spotty locations of the "grass blades," and would explain the "seed" at the bottom of each blade.
Well I think you nailed it; that is a little aggravating, though - the whole reason I bought wheat straw was so it would not go to seed. Oh well, time to hoe!
If you're going to hoe, the garden isn't always the most profitable place, but it is the moral choice...
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None of mine grew any taller than what I see in your pic. The bale started growing in the fall and never got any bigger. I also used it in the garden as mulch and when I see the occasional blade I just pull it up. Not much harm done.
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If it turns out to be nut grass (chufa) you need to dig down and remove every little bit of the plant . Tilling doesn't do any good but I've had moderate success with Round-Up. At the main plant there will be a 1/2" tuber that looks like a small shriveled nut (which is edible if you're reallllly hungry) and all the others spread out from it. Try to get rid of it in the winter before it starts spreading.
If it's wheat I wouldn't worry about it. Texas summer will take care of the problem.
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Just finished planting seven rows of corn, fifteen chilis, six Early Girl tomatoes , 3 rows of black-eyed peas and twelve hills of crook-neck squash. Hope I can get out of bed in the morning to catch the Sandy/Crappie on Sandlin.
I am in need of some hard core chemicals,lol. I have a problem with snails at my Moms place and they are every where. I have started putting ashes to make a border around the yard but what do you guys recommend to get rid of them in the yard, either spray or granules will work? I am WAY past the beer in the saucer thing. These snails are everywhere.... Hopefully you can recommend something I can get from the home depot. Thanks.
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I am in need of some hard core chemicals,lol. I have a problem with snails at my Moms place and they are every where. I have started putting ashes to make a border around the yard but what do you guys recommend to get rid of them in the yard, either spray or granules will work? I am WAY past the beer in the saucer thing. These snails are everywhere.... Hopefully you can recommend something I can get from the home depot. Thanks.
Do as siberman suggested or get some snail bait and put it out...It comes in a shaker can...
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Wow...I don't know...If it stops it will mean you won't have to water for a week or so...If it doesn't, it might mean you'll need to replace them...It really depends on what type of soil you have and if it has good drainage...
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Wow...I don't know...If it stops it will mean you won't have to water for a week or so...If it doesn't, it might mean you'll need to replace them...It really depends on what type of soil you have and if it has good drainage...
I thought so. On the good news side, there is no water standing in the area, it all seems to be soaking in or draining off. I just watered/miracle growed them yesterday before the rain
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Wow...I don't know...If it stops it will mean you won't have to water for a week or so...If it doesn't, it might mean you'll need to replace them...It really depends on what type of soil you have and if it has good drainage...
I thought so. On the good news side, there is no water standing in the area, it all seems to be soaking in or draining off. I just watered/miracle growed them yesterday before the rain
If they aren't standing in water, they'll probably be just fine...
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I noticed some bubblegum lookin stuff in the garden today. After some research I think it is pink slime mold. From what I can tell, it's harmless, right?
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I noticed some bubblegum lookin stuff in the garden today. After some research I think it is pink slime mold. From what I can tell, it's harmless, right?
I noticed some bubblegum lookin stuff in the garden today. After some research I think it is pink slime mold. From what I can tell, it's harmless, right?
Well we ended the weekend with right at 7" of rain in 48 hours. I was late getting my garden in this year as my tractor got stuck twice while plowing. Finally got it plowed and some things in. Now I still have okra to go. How much longer do I have to get okra, squash and pepper seeds in the ground. It will probable be a week before it is dry enough to get into the garden.
I have a small strawberry patch that is growing good in my backyard... I didn't plant it.. it just started growing. The problem is the ants get to the strawberries before they get big enough to pick. What can I do to keep the ants off without making the strawberries harmful to eat?
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Well we ended the weekend with right at 7" of rain in 48 hours. I was late getting my garden in this year as my tractor got stuck twice while plowing. Finally got it plowed and some things in. Now I still have okra to go. How much longer do I have to get okra, squash and pepper seeds in the ground. It will probable be a week before it is dry enough to get into the garden.
Okra and pepper plants love the heat, so you're fine there...The squash is the only thing that's iffy...You'll probably be okay, just don't expect a heavy crop...If you can keep them shaded during the hottest parts of the day, you'll be good to go...
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I just put a picture of you in the garden and no more pests...
creepy...but probably accurate.
I've got to put up my trellises either today or tomorrow. The Kentucky Wonder Pole Beans (Green Beans) are growing extremely well and are getting ready to start climbing. Problem is, I need to make sure they're bolted down well - don't want all that falling over in one of our sporadic storms.
I sure wish it would quit hovering around 56* at night...I'm ready to plant my Charantais melons.
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I think coffee grounds deter ants.
I just put a picture of you in the garden and no more pests...
creepy...but probably accurate.
I've got to put up my trellises either today or tomorrow. The Kentucky Wonder Pole Beans (Green Beans) are growing extremely well and are getting ready to start climbing. Problem is, I need to make sure they're bolted down well - don't want all that falling over in one of our sporadic storms.
I sure wish it would quit hovering around 56* at night...I'm ready to plant my Charantais melons.
I tried to grow those once and I think I got one bean...I'm still not sure what the problem was with those...I do well with peas and such, but those beans just didn't do squat for me...
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Question about squash bugs : do they eat other insects ? I had a nice crop of catawba worms on my tree last summer. I left 'em alone as they were about 1.5". Came back a week later and they were all gone but the tree was thick with squash bugs.
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Question about squash bugs : do they eat other insects ? I had a nice crop of catawba worms on my tree last summer. I left 'em alone as they were about 1.5". Came back a week later and they were all gone but the tree was thick with squash bugs.
I don't know if they eat other pests. They destroy squash crops, therefore I have made it my mission to destroy them (at least on my own property)...You can keep better control of them if you remove the eggs from the underside of the leaves...They are brown and make a pattern on the bottom of leaves...If you cut that part of the leaf out and kill the bugs, it's easier to not use pesticides to control them...
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New pics of the pink stuff
and now this is here. Wasn't there the other day. Different area
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Just kidding, are you sure some one is not messing with you? Take it out of there and keep a close eye out. What is your area like? wooded, water, open plains? Thats weird for sure, I have never seen anything like that. Take it out and see if it poops up again.
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New pics of the pink stuff
and now this is here. Wasn't there the other day. Different area
It looks like a fungus of some sort...Where did you get your mulch from? When I got some mulch from the recycling center about 5 years ago, I had a BOAT load of mushrooms pop up...My guess is that wherever that mulch came from had some sort of fungus and now you're getting to enjoy it...
Either that or you have gnomes flipping boogers in your garden...
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Did those 2 days of rain cause you any trouble? I was panicking because all my plants started to yellow , then I go out today and everything is greening up again. I guess with all the water the plants were not getting any nutes just rain water. Like I said though with nothing different added the garden is greening up again.
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The only mulch I've added to the garden is the straw. I did mix and match a good amount of different composts from Lowes and I remember a bag had a good amount of mulchy woody parts in it so that's probably the stuff...
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Did those 2 days of rain cause you any trouble? I was panicking because all my plants started to yellow , then I go out today and everything is greening up again. I guess with all the water the plants were not getting any nutes just rain water. Like I said though with nothing different added the garden is greening up again.
We needed the rain here...I've got extraordinarily good drainage thanks to a number of things...The main being the yard has a gentle slope to it. The garden sets on the edge of a hill, NO clay, and there is some pea gravel mixed in with the soil...Okay, there are some shells, very little true gravel and lots of tiny limestone pebbles, but you get the idea...I could get 7 inches of rain and in 2 days it will be dry enough to walk on without getting mud on my shoes...I wish my garden in Joshua was like this. It would have made my garden a lot more manageable...
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The only mulch I've added to the garden is the straw. I did mix and match a good amount of different composts from Lowes and I remember a bag had a good amount of mulchy woody parts in it so that's probably the stuff...
That would be my guess...
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The only mulch I've added to the garden is the straw. I did mix and match a good amount of different composts from Lowes and I remember a bag had a good amount of mulchy woody parts in it so that's probably the stuff...
That reminds me , earlier in the thread some one mentioned black plastic. I read the black plastic was good to use in dec,jan. Cover the garden with it for a few weeks and the heat from the sunshine would kill everything in the garden soil to start the season off with "clean" soil. I will do this next year.
Did those 2 days of rain cause you any trouble? I was panicking because all my plants started to yellow , then I go out today and everything is greening up again. I guess with all the water the plants were not getting any nutes just rain water. Like I said though with nothing different added the garden is greening up again.
I have not noticed any negative efects as of yet. But, I planted peppers and squash 3 days prior and they still have not come up. My garden is on a slope and I fear my seed may have washed out.
I doctored my corn, peas, bell peppers and tomatoe plants the day before the rain with Miracle Gro plant food and everything doubled in size in just a few days. That stuff is amazing.
I finally got a third of my box filled, bigger than I thought when I built it, but easy to manage, I have 50 yellow onions, 35 pruplr, three Rutgers tomatoes, twelve sugar cherry tom. , a large yellow cherry tom. and 6 Celebrity bigger tom. I also have spinach, blackeyed peas , six Broccoli plants , and I threw in two types of Sunflowers for the birds....should keep me busy, will be setting out Zuccini and Yellow squashes next week , I just got them hardened up good and it rained three inches in one afternoon. I have a couple rows of Radishes and Garlic chives also started. Adding in a sweet Italian pepper plant and some Cilantro....should keep me busy for a while...
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I doctored my corn, peas, bell peppers and tomatoe plants the day before the rain with Miracle Gro plant food and everything doubled in size in just a few days. That stuff is amazing.
I agree, what ever is in miracle grow IT WORKS... I am doing all organic so i wont use miracle grow in MY garden but have set up my father in law and my Mom with miracle grow in theirs. The miracle grow is looking great and easy. I will be sure to do a taste test......
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That reminds me , earlier in the thread some one mentioned black plastic. I read the black plastic was good to use in dec,jan. Cover the garden with it for a few weeks and the heat from the sunshine would kill everything in the garden soil to start the season off with "clean" soil. I will do this next year.
It'll be sterile soil. You won't have any weeds (until the wind blows 'em in there) but you also won't have any beneficial bacteria, nematodes, earthworms, etc.
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Btw, y'all wear good shoes or boots in the garden. Snake weather is here. Almost stepped on a baby copperhead this afternoon.
I've killed 2 cotton mouths the last few weeks, but they weren't in the garden...One was about 10 feet away, but not in the garden...I'll be wearing my big rubber boots when things get to really growing...
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Update: The strawberries are doing the best with 4-5 ripening each day and they're a lot bigger than last year 2". I've been going out there about 5min. each night with a headlamp and removing the small slugs and it's made all the difference.
Corn has doubled in size since the rain and I'm already getting several small tomato's budding, all the pepper plants look good with some flowering! Let's hope it rains at least once a week.
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Last week before the rains I planted some okra seeds and they are already sprouting. I also used miracle grow before it rained and the tomatoes are starting to grow and get green. However, they look kinda leggy. Everything else is lookin good. Which reminds me. I have to put up the twine for the hops. The chinook is almost 2 feet long
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got 8 tomato plants going in 5 gallon buckets and they really don't seem to be doing much. I have about 3" gravel in the bottom, and have it to where it drains adequately.(i think) Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I think I need to move them to where they get as much evening sun as possible now. That my be part of my problem.
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Does anyone know how to get rid of voles / field mice??? I'm told that's what my problem might be. I've had strawberries missing as soon as they turn red and my first little tomato that turned red had a big chunk missing out of it yesterday. I've noticed several holes in the ground about 1" to 1-1/4" in diameter and was told it might be vole / field mice? I built a fence 6' tall all the way around it (22' x 25') and bought the bird netting and stretched it out over the top so I don't know what else might get in there? Any suggestions would be appreciated, this is my first year to do a garden.
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"Still absolutely nothing on the strawberries - I guess I'll try to go get more. What a failure."
Strawberries take a couple of years to get established and they like some sand mixed in. We have been impressed with the amount this year. Give them some space and a hall pass for the first year.
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I was worried because I bought them back in January, and thought it was seeds. Then when I pulled them out to plant them in late March, I found out it was more like a bulb/vine/root type seed, and I wasn't sure if they had died in the bag they came in.
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"Still absolutely nothing on the strawberries - I guess I'll try to go get more. What a failure."
Strawberries take a couple of years to get established and they like some sand mixed in. We have been impressed with the amount this year. Give them some space and a hall pass for the first year.
Those look great...I need to get some pics of my garden and post them...
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got 8 tomato plants going in 5 gallon buckets and they really don't seem to be doing much. I have about 3" gravel in the bottom, and have it to where it drains adequately.(i think) Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I think I need to move them to where they get as much evening sun as possible now. That my be part of my problem.
Can you take a picture and post it? That'd help me...
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Does anyone know how to get rid of voles / field mice??? I'm told that's what my problem might be. I've had strawberries missing as soon as they turn red and my first little tomato that turned red had a big chunk missing out of it yesterday. I've noticed several holes in the ground about 1" to 1-1/4" in diameter and was told it might be vole / field mice? I built a fence 6' tall all the way around it (22' x 25') and bought the bird netting and stretched it out over the top so I don't know what else might get in there? Any suggestions would be appreciated, this is my first year to do a garden.
If you're trying to keep rabbits or rats out you'll have to bury the bottom of the fence about 6" or more. Voles and mice can get through a hole the size of a dime (and smaller) so you're best bet is to either go herbal (mint seems to work but it'll take over a garden PDQ) or get you a poison bait station or traps.
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Have 3 apple trees 1 Granny Smith, 2 Red Delicious. They do very well when we get a good freeze in the winter, 3 steady weeks of cold really helps. We also have 1 pear tree that has done well in the past. Picked up some NewMexico Big Jim peppers, gonna try something new this year...
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I've got one apple left and it ain't doin' too well. The main trunk has died and it's all suckers. I keep the suckers pruned off all my trees so it's not a case of neglect , they just started growing when the main part went down. Should I just go ahead and mow it down or let the shoots grow for smokin' wood ?
I've got a 3 yr old plum tree (Santa Rosa , I think)whose flowers were starting to fade when that last frost hit. It has 1/2" plums on it but they look like small candied sweet potatoes. All the other varieties as well as the peaches look fine. Any ideas ?
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got 8 tomato plants going in 5 gallon buckets and they really don't seem to be doing much. I have about 3" gravel in the bottom, and have it to where it drains adequately.(i think) Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I think I need to move them to where they get as much evening sun as possible now. That my be part of my problem.
Can you take a picture and post it? That'd help me...
I think the problem with everything I have is it's too dang wet. I have this 4 in 1 garden tester and pretty much every where I stuck it showed to be too wet.
How can I make my raised beds drain better? Drill holes in the sides of the walls?
My peas are almost 3' tall now and doing well. The onions and lettuce are doing well also. My maters are stuggling a bit and my okra, cukes and squash are just getting started.
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got 8 tomato plants going in 5 gallon buckets and they really don't seem to be doing much. I have about 3" gravel in the bottom, and have it to where it drains adequately.(i think) Wonder what I am doing wrong?
I think I need to move them to where they get as much evening sun as possible now. That my be part of my problem.
Can you take a picture and post it? That'd help me...
I think the problem with everything I have is it's too dang wet. I have this 4 in 1 garden tester and pretty much every where I stuck it showed to be too wet.
How can I make my raised beds drain better? Drill holes in the sides of the walls?
My peas are almost 3' tall now and doing well. The onions and lettuce are doing well also. My maters are stuggling a bit and my okra, cukes and squash are just getting started.
Drill some holes on the sides at the bottom and add some pea gravel to it...Not a lot, bu a little will make a HUGE difference in drainage...
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Anyone have any tips to lower PH with out disturbing the soil? Is there some thing I can add to the top of the soil. I know that mixing in the soil would be best but its not going to happen at this point.
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Anyone have any tips to lower PH with out disturbing the soil? Is there some thing I can add to the top of the soil. I know that mixing in the soil would be best but its not going to happen at this point.
Why are you wanting to lower it? Do you know the current PH level of your soil? What are you growing there?
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Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up. The first test is showing about 7.5 ph. I am growing tomatoes, peppers, squash, okra, cucumbers. I think I need to come down to 7.-6.5. I am going to recheck right now. Be back
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Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...
New growth is always a lighter green...
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Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...
New growth is always a lighter green...
lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...
New growth is always a lighter green...
lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.
It can be, it depends on how old the growth is...
You can add chicken poo, that's great for nitrogen, but adding too much can be damaging...If you're not trying to go organic, you can buy some Miracle Gro in granular form and hoe it around the plants. Or just take a high nitrogen fertilizer and put it about 3 inches AWAY from the stem of the plant...The danger with this is nitrogen should really be added around the root system (the root system will go out as far out as the leaf growth)...
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Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...
New growth is always a lighter green...
lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.
It may be coincidence but, I buried a fish carcass under my 'maters a couple weeks ago and they have started to green up nicely.
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Plants are still not as green as they should be. Things are looking better , new growth is light green. Old growth is still what I would call yellow. I know that I have nutes in the soil. I have compost from "Rons Organics" and a mixture organic nutes I have been feeding with. I have checked my PH with a liquid soil tester, but going to recheck in a different area today and see what pops up.
Gypsum will help with tomato plants and will lower the PH, but you need to shoot for a general PH of 7 for most plants, because when you fertilize that's going to change it again...DON'T use vinegar or you'll change it so fast you'll kill most plants...
New growth is always a lighter green...
lighter green is also a sign of nitrogen depletion. I know this because I am experiencing it. Trying to figure out how to raise it.
It may be coincidence but, I buried a fish carcass under my 'maters a couple weeks ago and they have started to green up nicely.
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I am going to get a soil test done by a lab to be sure. I have rechecked with the liquid testers and seem to be getting different readings. The first is 7.5 and the second seems to be 8.5. I did get the soil tested last year and added what the lab said I needed. This season I added about 50% compost, so its 50% compost and 50 % last years soil. I also read that compost would be best to bring ph down to nuetral but that woul take time. I have to get the soil tested to be sure. The yellowing that I am claiming could also be from the plants that I got were raised in high nitrogen and 2 weeks later after planting the high nitrogen has been used up and the organinc levels are not that great.
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I am going to get a soil test done by a lab to be sure. I have rechecked with the liquid testers and seem to be getting different readings. The first is 7.5 and the second seems to be 8.5. I did get the soil tested last year and added what the lab said I needed. This season I added about 50% compost, so its 50% compost and 50 % last years soil. I also read that compost would be best to bring ph down to nuetral but that woul take time. I have to get the soil tested to be sure. The yellowing that I am claiming could also be from the plants that I got were raised in high nitrogen and 2 weeks later after planting the high nitrogen has been used up and the organinc levels are not that great.
I hate to read the problems you are having...I know how frustrating it is when you have such high hopes for the garden and things just don't seem to be working out right...2004 was that way for me...I had to plant the garden twice due to 10 inches of rain in less than 12 hours...Then I ended up with cucumber plants (among others) all over the yard...I had some beautiful cucumbers 25 feet from the garden...
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I have blooms on 90% of my tomato plants and another 8% will be blooming within the next 3 days...The last 2 percent are about 7 - 10 days from blooming...I do have some tomatoes coming on already...
I also have some pepper plants already blooming which surprises me, but I'm not complaining...
I spanked all the tomato plants that were in bloom this morning...I'm praying for a bumper crop...
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#1 does anyone dump lawn clippings in your garden
You take a big chance of introducing grass and weed seeds that way. If you're cutting short enough to eliminate any seeds it might be ok but your best bet is to compost your clippings. The heat should kill any undesireables.
#2 i have clay for soil..i have dumped mushroom compost and pro mix 40-40-20 and mixed it in but still have too much clay what would you add to help with clumping and drainage,i have spent alot of money on dirt and still need more even with all the good dirt i still cant grow radishes onions or carrots
You'd probably do better looking into raised beds (not necessarily the "frame" type. You could use a harrower to make your rows several inches taller than the surrounding soil). From what I've heard , carrots like a really deep bed but if you're having trouble with radishes you might want to get a soil test kit. Somethin' ain't right.
#3 how tall do you let your tomatos get before trimming
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Corn, squash , cucumbers and black-eyes are up. Been eating asparagus and turnip greens for a while now. Planted okra Thursday . Gonna start planting icebox watermelons , eggplant and cantalopes Monday.
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thanks siberman,i have had 8ft tall tomato plants so i have decided to trim them at 5ft this year
You probably have indeterminate (vining plants like cherry tomatoes ) that keep growing / setting fruit throughout their life cycle. Determinate plants usually grow up to a certain size and produce their fruit all at once.
Wondering what good it does to trim them (anybody) ? Does it help the fruit reach a larger size more quickly or are you just pruning to keep the plants under control ?
thanks siberman,i have had 8ft tall tomato plants so i have decided to trim them at 5ft this year
You probably have indeterminate (vining plants like cherry tomatoes ) that keep growing / setting fruit throughout their life cycle. Determinate plants usually grow up to a certain size and produce their fruit all at once.
Wondering what good it does to trim them (anybody) ? Does it help the fruit reach a larger size more quickly or are you just pruning to keep the plants under control ?
Wondering what good it does to trim them (anybody) ? Does it help the fruit reach a larger size more quickly or are you just pruning to keep the plants under control ?
I don't know about helping the fruit, but if you trim the tops they will tend to put out more limbs sideways for a bushier plant. This can help you REACH the fruit if you are looking at 8 foot plants!
By the same token, if you are crowding many plants on one trellis, if you will pinch out the limbs that grow sideways, it will encourage upwards growth and keep the different plants from crowding/shading each other.
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I'm 6'1" so 8' plants aren't a problem. I can see where making the plants bush out more could be helpful, though. Do the side branches set as much fruit as the upper ones ?
I'm 6'1" so 8' plants aren't a problem. I can see where making the plants bush out more could be helpful, though. Do the side branches set as much fruit as the upper ones ?
From what I've read, size of the fruit is partially determined by how many fruit are growing on the plant, so if you have a great number of fruit, they will all be smaller than if you prune back "extra" branches. Looking at it from common sense instead of book learning, I can see that the roots can only handle so much plant and fruit. If you give it less plant to support, there will be more energy and food for fruit. Here is an interesting article written by someone who knows more than I do: http://www.finegardening.com/how-to/articles/pruning-tomatoes.aspx
In the top pic could be aphids that have been hit by a parasitic wasp. Have you had aphids? If so, you have an unseen accomplice in your corner. Bottom pic looks like empty egg casings of some sort, possibly some type of beneficial insect. I'm pretty sure it's all good news, but keep an eye out for aphids. Have you used any insecticide at this point? What type of leaf sample is this?
Thanks ,I have not noticed any aphid activity but I will keep a eye out. this was on a okra leaf and I did spray about 2 weeks ago and will be spraying again tomorrow.
Went out a couple nights ago and found a ton more woodlice (pillbugs/rollie pollies/etc.) I really hate these things. I have killed thousands and yet, there are so many mroe.
The potato leaves of one of my plants are turning all yellow and the leaves are dying quickly. Anyone know why? It might be the slugs/bugs.
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Went out a couple nights ago and found a ton more woodlice (pillbugs/rollie pollies/etc.) I really hate these things. I have killed thousands and yet, there are so many mroe.
The potato leaves of one of my plants are turning all yellow and the leaves are dying quickly. Anyone know why? It might be the slugs/bugs.
It could be...I've had them suck the moisture out of some of our landscaping plants before...It could be any number of pests doing that...
I have to treat my pepper plants because those and the dang slugs/snails are out and about chewing on the leaves...It was too windy yesterday, so I'll do it today...I hate those dang pests...
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I did not plant a garden this year for one basic reason-I am tired of battling Johnson Grass. I removed some old cattle pens several years ago and started my garden in this area. However, I cannot keep up with the persistent Johnson Grass. This area is the only place on the entire ranch that has Johnson Grass. How do you guys handle Johnson Grass problems aside from a hoe?
I used a tiller and a hoe. The garden is a little bigger than the pic but not much, 7'X14'. I am having a few issues right now with nutrients. I think??? I planted some other plants at my father in laws and his plants are a little bigger and "GREENER". It could be that he is using chemicals and I am using organics. The nutrient levels are not as high as chemicals so that could be the reason. I am going to send off a soil sample to a lab to make sure thers nothing bad happening. I bought 4 different soil testers and guess what 4 different readings,lol, with distilled water. Oh ya, even though his plants are greener and taller than mine , mine have more flowers and fruit. A little confused but the soil test should say it all, to bad it takes weeks....
I did not plant a garden this year for one basic reason-I am tired of battling Johnson Grass. I removed some old cattle pens several years ago and started my garden in this area. However, I cannot keep up with the persistent Johnson Grass. This area is the only place on the entire ranch that has Johnson Grass. How do you guys handle Johnson Grass problems aside from a hoe?
Maybe you could lay a black sheet of plastic over it for a week or so maybe that will kill the grass with no chemicals?
I round up my whole garden every year before I plow. Its 50' by 125'. Then a week later, I spread 13-13-13 fertilizer and plow it under, followed by a harrow to smooth. Then it's just maintenance with a hoe.
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Anybody tried "Soil Moist" ? It's a polymer that absorbs water and then slowly releases it over time. I've been planting gourds , cukes and melons on the fence for the past few years and it's really helped during the dry months. Don't think it would be economical to use for an entire garden but it's great for those hard-to-reach-with-the-hose places.
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Squash just came up in several places from my compost I guess? I've got a few pepper plants and two tomato plants that just popped up and doing great.....I couldn't grow a tomato outside(on purpose) from seed if I tried.
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Squash just came up in several places from my compost I guess? I've got a few pepper plants and two tomato plants that just popped up and doing great.....I couldn't grow a tomato outside(on purpose) from seed if I tried.
I had over 100 volunteer tomato plants...However, due to the fact that I had already planted about 100 on purpose, I've cleared those to about 20...I went through the ones that were small and wouldn't be in production till the fall...I don't know how or why I have so many volunteer cucumber plants as I cleared the land of all the left over cucumbers before tilling...I guess I missed one... Oh well, they were the best tasting/producing cucumbers I'd ever planted before...
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Early Girl Plant, top view. The plant was about 1 foot tall when my mom's friend gave it to her...It's now about 3 feet tall...
Watermelons:
Some pepper plants:
One of the things you may notice about my garden is the amount of gravel. When I first tilled the soil, I was told by several neighbors I'd never be able to grow anything because of the rocky soil. However, the house sits on a hill that has a large concentration of limestone. If I dig more than 8 inches in most areas, I'm going to hit limestone. I have great drainage and very good soil in 80% of the garden. The area that does have the most rocks, I have been adding a lot of topsoil to the rows for the plants to get plenty of nutrients. Amazingly, in years past, the best tomatoes were produced in the rocky area without adding topsoil. 3 of my neighbors have started to garden on their own lots since they saw how successful my venture has been...
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We've convinced the boss at work that we need to put in a couple tomatoes and a couple pepper plants. The only place we can find is a nice little patch covered in bermuda. Will it even be worth it and if so what are your suggestions?
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We've convinced the boss at work that we need to put in a couple tomatoes and a couple pepper plants. The only place we can find is a nice little patch covered in bermuda. Will it even be worth it and if so what are your suggestions?
I'd suggest digging down about 11 inches and removing the Bermuda grass...Then plant and make certain you mulch the area...You might even get some weed cloth and cut holes out for the plants and then planting them. Bermuda is a nasty, nasty grass that takes over everything in site...It took me 2 years to get it out of a triangle with 25 foot long sides that is now our largest flower bed...
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Cucumbers in the row next to the fence...
I've mulched several rows with live oak leaves and have to add some more mulch to a few of the rows...I still need to hoe the weeds out of one row that didn't get mulched...
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LSS. Your garden looks great. It looks like you get a bunch of shade, or was that just due to the time of the pictures?
Thank you very much...
Both...I get some shade in the morning (I took the pictures this morning) from the trees. Then from about 10:30 through 4:00 they get a lot of sun...After that, they get shade from the guest house when the sun has moved...It helps the plants recover from the heat faster and retain the moisture longer...It's one of the reasons my tomato plants stay healthy from March through November...
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We've convinced the boss at work that we need to put in a couple tomatoes and a couple pepper plants. The only place we can find is a nice little patch covered in bermuda. Will it even be worth it and if so what are your suggestions?
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Do you mulch between corn rows?
I never have, but I know some people do. Corn is more heat tolerant than say tomatoes or squash, so the main benefit would be to keep the weeds down in corn rows...Of course the water retention would be helped, but they aren't as water needy as some plants...
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I had some squash come up yesterday adter I had given up on them and replanted in another area. It took the 17 days to come up. Why in the world would it take so long?? Now Im really gonna be screwed because I just planted cucumbers in that row on Sunday since I had given up on the squash......
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Numerous things can cause that...Being planted a bit too deep, lack of water, God showing you He has a sense of humor, etc.
You can transplant them to another area if need be...Just remember to dig a large enough, and deep enough hole when excavating the plant...Then transplant it and water thoroughly...
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Numerous things can cause that...Being planted a bit too deep, lack of water, God showing you He has a sense of humor, etc.
You can transplant them to another area if need be...Just remember to dig a large enough, and deep enough hole when excavating the plant...Then transplant it and water thoroughly...
Here's one picture of mine. I need to get a closer picture and a picture of the corn/beans/squash bed. The squash is doing terrible, like the tomatoes. Though, I put down some Diatemaceous earth last night. Hopefully that will help..
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Here's one picture of mine. I need to get a closer picture and a picture of the corn/beans/squash bed. The squash is doing terrible, like the tomatoes. Though, I put down some Diatemaceous earth last night. Hopefully that will help..
I figured out that I wasn't watering my maters enough and the fish carcass has done wonders!
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Here's one picture of mine. I need to get a closer picture and a picture of the corn/beans/squash bed. The squash is doing terrible, like the tomatoes. Though, I put down some Diatemaceous earth last night. Hopefully that will help..
I figured out that I wasn't watering my maters enough and the fish carcass has done wonders!
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Buried a fish carcass under each tomato plant. Two weeks later one grew an inch overnight and has never looked better.
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Here are a couple more pics. There are four rows 75 yards long. The 2 outside rows are black eyed peas and the two inside are corn. Haven't came up all the way yet, but everything this year has been really slow about coming up.
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Fish remains are a great source of nutrients , especially nitrogen. Every time I clean fish I bury what's left in the garden. If you clean lots of catfish, clip off the spines or bury 'em pretty deep. You don't want to step on one of those.
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I buried em about a foot down. I dug down beside the mater and made a uturn under the plant and stuffed the fish in there.
Also, I have a confession, I was checking the moisture in my container potatoes and felt a tater so I pulled it up. Nice little red Norland. Picked my biggest pea too. That pea was sweet as all get out and the tater was the best raw tater I've ever had!
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I buried em about a foot down. I dug down beside the mater and made a uturn under the plant and stuffed the fish in there.
Also, I have a confession, I was checking the moisture in my container potatoes and felt a tater so I pulled it up. Nice little red Norland. Picked my biggest pea too. That pea was sweet as all get out and the tater was the best raw tater I've ever had!
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how deep do you bury them,wont you have ants and bugs and stinky dirt
About a foot but I don't dig under any plants. I just plant 'em as close to the rootball as possible. "Stinky" is subjective, I suppose. The smell of freshly-manured ground reminds me of all the good stuff that'll be growing there. Then again, I don't roll up my windows when driving by a dead skunk.
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I have a few blooming.. My bucket plants are about half-arsed. I'm going to start fertilizing with dead fish.. My problem is wanting to grow too many things in the limited space I have.
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i just scored a hookup on free chicken poop all i want..question is how do i know how much to use..i dont want to burn the veggies..god my truck stinks right now
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i just scored a hookup on free chicken poop all i want..question is how do i know how much to use..i dont want to burn the veggies..god my truck stinks right now
A little bit goes a LONG way...Also, keep it away from the stems of the plants and water it in very well...
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i just scored a hookup on free chicken poop all i want..question is how do i know how much to use..i dont want to burn the veggies..god my truck stinks right now
Put about 1 cup in a gallon milk jug , fill it up with water and let it set a few days. If you've got a whole lot , pile it up with leaves / vegetable scraps / mulch and let it rot down a while or get a good-sized rain barrel and make "chicken chum". Fresh chicken litter is really high in nitrogen and will burn plants (as you know). I might scatter a half cup or less out past the drip line (the farthest point that the plant's branches/leaves horizontally reach) and dig it in really well. And remember: it doesn't stink. It smells like cheap groceries.
thanks fella's i have 3 shi tzu's and a basset hound that are in love.. they love to roll in the scent and then try to come thru the doggie door...nay nay..i am guessing to poop to be 6-8 mths old its broken down into dirt looking stuff but still stinks to the max..i guess i will till the rows and then spread it and re till i guess we will see
I have to watch out for my dog cause this sucker will eat all the frogs in the area also. I like the frogs in the garden so they can take care of the bigger and flying bugs.
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Well, I've given in to the fact that the onions aren't going to make it. Any suggestions on something I can put in their place? Whatever it is won't be able to crawl or sprawl. It's a square foot garden and whatever I put there can't be very tall and I don't want to wait for the fall.
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It's not to late for okra and it does really well in the heat.
Yes, but in the type of garden he is talking about, there really isn't enough room for okra...Unless he can find a dwarf plant...Most okra plants get between 4 feet tall and 9 feet tall...Not to mention the width...
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I've got a special spot for the okra. It's a couple inches tall at the moment
I was thinking about some more bush beans. The Roma II beans that I have only get a couple feet tall. That's one option. The other option is a smaller pepper plant but I don't know what kind would be smaller. I already have bells and jalapenos.
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Came home Saturday and went to throw some rotten fruit in the compost bin. I had a swarm of bees on the lid, which I did not know until I threw the lid on the ground. Thank goodness they didn't sting me. They were pretty docile, actually. Fascinating creatures. Most of them are gone now, but it was nice while they were here.
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I've got a special spot for the okra. It's a couple inches tall at the moment
I was thinking about some more bush beans. The Roma II beans that I have only get a couple feet tall. That's one option. The other option is a smaller pepper plant but I don't know what kind would be smaller. I already have bells and jalapenos.
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Came home Saturday and went to throw some rotten fruit in the compost bin. I had a swarm of bees on the lid, which I did not know until I threw the lid on the ground. Thank goodness they didn't sting me. They were pretty docile, actually. Fascinating creatures. Most of them are gone now, but it was nice while they were here.
Probably looking for a good nest site. Keep checking to make sure they don't start building. Had a colony set up in my water meter last summer. The meter reader was not amused.
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I'm in the process of getting a hive on purpose and becoming a bee keeper.....don't know what I'm doing but a local in the area is going to help me get started. a block from the house is a elementary school with thousands of wild flowers so I'm thinking they will have plenty to eat.
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Well, I've given in to the fact that the onions aren't going to make it. Any suggestions on something I can put in their place? Whatever it is won't be able to crawl or sprawl. It's a square foot garden and whatever I put there can't be very tall and I don't want to wait for the fall.
Do you have carrots or lettuce yet? Those would probably both work.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Well, I've given in to the fact that the onions aren't going to make it. Any suggestions on something I can put in their place? Whatever it is won't be able to crawl or sprawl. It's a square foot garden and whatever I put there can't be very tall and I don't want to wait for the fall.
Do you have carrots or lettuce yet? Those would probably both work.
Carrots are doing ok and the lettuce never got bigger than the first couple leaves after a month so I turned em under and planted more peppers.
On another note, my roma II bush beans put on about 20 blooms yesterday and they are about a foot tall. I might try more of those.
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It's not to late for okra and it does really well in the heat.
Yes, but in the type of garden he is talking about, there really isn't enough room for okra...Unless he can find a dwarf plant...Most okra plants get between 4 feet tall and 9 feet tall...Not to mention the width...
I bought some okra before I read this. It's so small in the pot. I can't believe it will get that big!
Does it grow like a bush?
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It's not to late for okra and it does really well in the heat.
Yes, but in the type of garden he is talking about, there really isn't enough room for okra...Unless he can find a dwarf plant...Most okra plants get between 4 feet tall and 9 feet tall...Not to mention the width...
I bought some okra before I read this. It's so small in the pot. I can't believe it will get that big!
Does it grow like a bush?
It really depends on the variety...You can trim it back, okra is almost impossible to kill, to keep it in more of a bush form...
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Thanks. I'm planting this in a small raised bed. I got scared imagining something 9' tall in there!
They start producing when they are about 1' tall. The first year I planted okra, it was over 8' tall and over 6' wide...They were like trees...
Just dawned on me, I must have seen okra peeking over my neighbors fence last year. I've been wondering what that was for a while!
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WTH is wrong with me? I went to a local nursery today looking for some sweet potato vines for one of the flowerbeds...However, what did I do? I made the mistake of going into the veggie greenhouse and found 2 more pepper plant varieties that haven't made it into my garden yet...So what did I do? That's right, I bought 12 more pepper plants... Now I have to figure out where they are going to go...
I guess I'll take out a row of onions, but dang it I need HELP!!!!!!!!
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Might be castor beans. They kinda remind me of okra. I have some as a screen that are about 12' high. They reseed freely and alledgedly repel gophers but all parts are very poisonous (especially the "beans").
They're also an annual and leave a huge woody stem to remove.
My Red Noreland potato plants are all but dead. I haven't posted it up here, but it started a couple weeks ago. A few leaves started turning yellow, then brown, then dead, then they just kept dying. They've been in the ground for ~65 days.
The weird part is, it's only the Red Noreland that are dying. The Yukon Gold, which are between the Red potatoes, are perfectly fine.
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
My Red Noreland potato plants are all but dead. I haven't posted it up here, but it started a couple weeks ago. A few leaves started turning yellow, then brown, then dead, then they just kept dying. They've been in the ground for ~65 days.
The weird part is, it's only the Red Noreland that are dying. The Yukon Gold, which are between the Red potatoes, are perfectly fine.
Any idea why?
Stop peeing on them? I have no idea. I've never grown potatoes...
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I think you should do a little diggin around in there to see if the Red Norelands have produced. I dug around in mine a week ago and found a perfect potato about the size of a large egg. I would guess the container is crammed full of em. Also, just so you know, my Red Norelands are also turning brown and my Yukon Golds are just fine. If my Reds keep turning brown, I'm gonna harvest, maybe it's that time....
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Also, I just read that sometimes the Reds don't bloom and they mature early. Dig one up. It's probably time to harvest.
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Something to note. When I dug in to get my Red, the skin peeled off very easily so if you aren't going to eat them immediately, be gentle.
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Did they already flower? It's probably good to go ahead and dig 'em up . Red taters are usually early. I've got Yukons and a blue tater that are just starting to flower. I dug down and found a nice-sized blue near the plant base. I'll probably be digging them all up pretty soon.
This year I hilled up a row to about 1' ,laid the sets on top of the dirt then covered them with oak leaves and hardwood mulch. Don't know yet how the fruit has done but the plants have thrived.
i just got a rear tine tiller "THEY ROCK" so as i am tilling 15x25 more of my back yard i am saying to myself ...SELF what am i going to plant... i assume water melon is too late yes or no maybe squash..i have never had any luck with squash any help would be great..i now have tomato,onion,okra and peppers
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Originally Posted By: ROOKIE 07
i just got a rear tine tiller "THEY ROCK" so as i am tilling 15x25 more of my back yard i am saying to myself ...SELF what am i going to plant... i assume water melon is too late yes or no maybe squash..i have never had any luck with squash any help would be great..i now have tomato,onion,okra and peppers
Watermelon may be a bit late, but probably worth a shot...I'd try the bush sugar baby melons...Squash is late...I'd be leaning more towards peppers and okra...Then get ready for things you'd like to plant for your fall garden...
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Where do you people live that it is too late for squash and watermelon?????
Well squash takes 56 days on average to produce...It can burn up before that time if there's not enough shaded area...Watermelons really depend on the variety...Some are more heat tolerant than others...Thus the reason I suggested the Sugar Baby...
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Alright, will do DH. It can't hurt, because if they didn't grow then I can plant some more stuff there
I'm curious to know if you got any taters
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I have zucchini squash doing well in the beds, but a couple I planted in 3-gallon pots are barely surviving. I used miracle-gro potting soil, put it in partial shade (gets afternoon sun) and water it daily. Any ideas for successful container gardening?
Second problem is the tomatoes are growing up really nicely but have no fruit! I see lots of flowers but they never grow into fruit. What should I do?
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LSS is going to tell you to spank your 'maters
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Plus later summer squash seems to be more susceptible to pests and diseases (IME). + 1 on the Sugar Baby melons. They mature faster and fit in the refridgerator a whole lot easier than those 80 pound suckers.
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3 gallons seems a bit small for a squash plant but you might try giving them more sun. What kind of pots do you have them in ? Clay needs more water since it evaporates faster but this also keeps the roots cooler. Plastic holds water better but can also get too hot.
If you're against spanking, get a small (watercolor size) paintbrush. Twirl it around inside a flower then repeat with all the other flowers.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
3 gallons seems a bit small for a squash plant but you might try giving them more sun. What kind of pots do you have them in ? Clay needs more water since it evaporates faster but this also keeps the roots cooler. Plastic holds water better but can also get too hot.
If you're against spanking, get a small (watercolor size) paintbrush. Twirl it around inside a flower then repeat with all the other flowers.
Very good advice in this post...
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
3 gallons seems a bit small for a squash plant but you might try giving them more sun. What kind of pots do you have them in ? Clay needs more water since it evaporates faster but this also keeps the roots cooler. Plastic holds water better but can also get too hot.
If you're against spanking, get a small (watercolor size) paintbrush. Twirl it around inside a flower then repeat with all the other flowers.
3 gallons might be okay with regular squash, but Zucchini plants are going to need something much larger...
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Here's my update
First the bad news. The lower leaves of my yellow squash and butternut are starting to turn brown. Thoughts?
Also, I found a dern itty bitty green worm on the underside of my cuke leaves. I pinched him and I'm considering the Sevin dust....
Cantaloupe seems to be stuck in the two leaf phase.
On the positive side... The peas are producing like mad but for some reason they don't ever seem to make it all the way inside the house Ill be sure to plant more this fall and next year.
Roma II bush beans are about a foot tall and are flowering like mad.
Tomatoes and peppers are nice and green
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I water by hand from a watering can using rain water. I suppose the leaves get splashed but so does everything else. Are squashes particularly sensitive to wet leaves?
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If you're watering in the evening. Stop...At least until it gets above 95...It's like sending the plants to bed wet and they can't dry out, causing fungus...It looks like a lack of nitrogen...
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If you're watering in the evening. Stop...At least until it gets above 95...It's like sending the plants to bed wet and they can't dry out, causing fungus...It looks like a lack of nitrogen...
I got my lab report for the soil from the lab today. Pretty quick less than a week to do, probably because most have all ready done this earlier in the season. It was pretty much what I suspected. All the nutrients were high, expect for almost no nitrogen. The PH is high at 8.1 but I need to get it down to 7.-7.5
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I hear what you're sayin about watering at night. Usually I water at about 530p because I don't have the time in the morning but I'll see what I can do.
Nitrogen huh... maybe I'll bury some more fish
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There is still one more red potato plant I need to pick, but it's still looking pretty strong so I will let it keep growing, and keep on watering it. Hopefully they'll get a little bigger.
Also, both of my squash plants now have a big yellow flower. Neat
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I picked 14 red potatoes this morning
There is still one more red potato plant I need to pick, but it's still looking pretty strong so I will let it keep growing, and keep on watering it. Hopefully they'll get a little bigger.
Also, both of my squash plants now have a big yellow flower. Neat
You may need to get some paint brushes (like for painting a picture, not a wall) and take the pollen from the flower that's not attached to a squash and put it in the flower attached to a squash...
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I hear what you're sayin about watering at night. Usually I water at about 530p because I don't have the time in the morning but I'll see what I can do.
Nitrogen huh... maybe I'll bury some more fish
About 10 seconds per plant in the morning (early morning, like 5:00 a.m. is okay) will go a long way to sustain it, especially in the heat...
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There is still one more red potato plant I need to pick, but it's still looking pretty strong so I will let it keep growing, and keep on watering it. Hopefully they'll get a little bigger.
Also, both of my squash plants now have a big yellow flower. Neat
You may need to get some paint brushes (like for painting a picture, not a wall) and take the pollen from the flower that's not attached to a squash and put it in the flower attached to a squash...
I have no squash yet. To be honest I thought the squash were dead, which is why I was surprised to see the flower. Part of the problem appears to be a lack of nitrogen, which is why I'm going to get some fish emulsion today.
This is my first year to have a garden. Everything seems to be doing good best I can tell. The problem I am having is my some of my tomatoes (still green) have a brown hole. I looked it up on the internet and it says it is possibly a caterpillar, but I haven't found how to treat it. Any suggestions? I haven't actually seen them though, just what I read it might be?
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Brown hole in the fruit? You can put out Sevin dust if you're not trying to be organic (just remember to wash the fruit when you pick it before eating)...The tomato will still be good to eat, you'll just need to cut out the brown area (and if you find a worm when slicing it, I'd throw it out...
Now if it's brown on the bottom, that's another problem entirely...
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It's brown on the fruit, not on the bottom. It's a brown hole, maybe a 1/4" to 1/2" deep in the fruit, about a 1/4" in diameter. Do I just sprinkle the Sevin Dust around the base of the plant or on the leaves? Thansk for your help.
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I hear what you're sayin about watering at night. Usually I water at about 530p because I don't have the time in the morning but I'll see what I can do.
Nitrogen huh... maybe I'll bury some more fish
About 10 seconds per plant in the morning (early morning, like 5:00 a.m. is okay) will go a long way to sustain it, especially in the heat...
Is it possible that I have to water more than usual because of my raised beds. You talkin 10 seconds per plant every morning?
I'm using something like this...
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I picked 14 red potatoes this morning
There is still one more red potato plant I need to pick, but it's still looking pretty strong so I will let it keep growing, and keep on watering it. Hopefully they'll get a little bigger.
Also, both of my squash plants now have a big yellow flower. Neat
Congrats on the taters. I'm gonna have to dump my container soon!
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I hear what you're sayin about watering at night. Usually I water at about 530p because I don't have the time in the morning but I'll see what I can do.
Nitrogen huh... maybe I'll bury some more fish
About 10 seconds per plant in the morning (early morning, like 5:00 a.m. is okay) will go a long way to sustain it, especially in the heat...
Is it possible that I have to water more than usual because of my raised beds. You talkin 10 seconds per plant every morning?
I'm using something like this...
I have something similar, it's a 2 gallon watering pot, that I use for my plants in a larger flower bed...It is raised as well, and 10 seconds does seem to be about right...Part of it also depends on how compacted the soil around the plant is. It is VERY important to aerate the ground so the roots can get the water...I hoe my rows at least once per week...
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I picked 14 red potatoes this morning
There is still one more red potato plant I need to pick, but it's still looking pretty strong so I will let it keep growing, and keep on watering it. Hopefully they'll get a little bigger.
Also, both of my squash plants now have a big yellow flower. Neat
You may need to get some paint brushes (like for painting a picture, not a wall) and take the pollen from the flower that's not attached to a squash and put it in the flower attached to a squash...
I have no squash yet. To be honest I thought the squash were dead, which is why I was surprised to see the flower. Part of the problem appears to be a lack of nitrogen, which is why I'm going to get some fish emulsion today.
I prefer being lied to...Honesty is overrated...
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Well anyways , check out this site for a quick exact report of whats happening in your soil. I got the results in a week and for 15 dollars the soil is tested for PH and macro nutrients and micro nutrients. If the PH is not what your plants are recommended to have you can have all the nutes in the world and the plants wont feed. The PH testers at the local nursery are junk and not accurate. http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/
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Well anyways , check out this site for a quick exact report of whats happening in your soil. I got the results in a week and for 15 dollars the soil is tested for PH and macro nutrients and micro nutrients. If the PH is not what your plants are recommended to have you can have all the nutes in the world and the plants wont feed. The PH testers at the local nursery are junk and not accurate. http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/
Thanks for the link. I've been wondering what some of the procedures are for testing soil. I know I can do pH at work and possibly more.
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I'm new to this forum. I just skimmed some of the most recent posts. It'll take your squash awhile to start making reak fruit. I'll pick some tomorrow. The brown on the bottom of the tomatoes could be blossom end rot. Nothing you can do about it this year. Your red potatoes will die out and quit growing around the end of May.
Here's a picture of vegetables from my last years garden;
This is my first year to have a garden. Everything seems to be doing good best I can tell. The problem I am having is my some of my tomatoes (still green) have a brown hole. I looked it up on the internet and it says it is possibly a caterpillar, but I haven't found how to treat it. Any suggestions? I haven't actually seen them though, just what I read it might be?
Get a flash light and go out after dark. You'll find them. When you do, well..... You'll know what to do. Good luck.
I have a very large bush covered in aphids, and it is about fifteen feet from my garden! YIKES>>. What is best to kill them with that wont kill the bush? any ideas?
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I have a very large bush covered in aphids, and it is about fifteen feet from my garden! YIKES>>. What is best to kill them with that wont kill the bush? any ideas?
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LSS,
I am about to put a few peppers in my raised beds. I am not planning on tilling anything because I have other stuff growing up around them right now. I was wondering if adding any sand to each hole I dug would make any difference or not.
What say ye?
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I always freeze mine with some kind of tomato sauce. I add it to my homemade marinara, which I freeze in the summer, and make spaghetti primavera. Try stir frying it with peppers and onions, then add a stir fry sauce. The twice cooked pork sauce is good.
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Originally Posted By: bill oxner
What do all you guys do with all your yellow squash, and zucchini when it comes in?
Coat in cornmeal batter and fry, bake whole or in a casserole and eat smaller ones raw in salads. I also try to pick the prettier ones ,let them mature then slice thin and air-dry for next year's seeds.
We batter and freeze our extra for frying and then when the freezer's got plenty of that we start giving away the surplus.
Here's a recipe I invented to use on some yellow squash.
Cut several yellow squash into 1/2" thick slices and throw them in a deep casserole dish.
Cut an equal amount of white onions into quarters and throw the whole quarters on top of the squash.
Take a pack of sliced bacon and cut the entire slab into 1" pieces. You'll wind up with 1" squares of bacon. Sprinkle the bacon on top of the other stuff and pop a lid on it.
Bake it at 375 for 35 to 45 minutes. Check and see if the bacon's cooked good and if it is pop the dish back in without the lid so the bacon gets crispy.
The bacon grease goes through the onions and into the squash and you just can't believe how good this stuff is. It's a stand alone so no sides needed. You'd think that this recipe would feed several folks, but no. Two people will eat the entire dish every time.
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Originally Posted By: JDavis7873®
LSS,
I am about to put a few peppers in my raised beds. I am not planning on tilling anything because I have other stuff growing up around them right now. I was wondering if adding any sand to each hole I dug would make any difference or not.
What say ye?
Yes it will make some difference...In some of the areas where I had too much gravel mixed in, I back-filled the rows with top soil I had purchased...
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Well, I normally give some to family and friends...If I have an overabundance, I will wash it, slice it and freeze it...
do you blanch it before you freeze it? Does that even matter?
No, I do not blanch...I simply wash them, let them air dry, then slice them. I take a ziploc bag, get it close to being sealed and stick in a straw. I then suck out the remaining air, seal it, and freeze it...It's my own redneck vacuum sealer...
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Well, I normally give some to family and friends...If I have an overabundance, I will wash it, slice it and freeze it...
do you blanch it before you freeze it? Does that even matter?
No, I do not blanch...I simply wash them, let them air dry, then slice them. I take a ziploc bag, get it close to being sealed and stick in a straw. I then suck out the remaining air, seal it, and freeze it...It's my own redneck vacuum sealer...
I do the same thing, just without the straw. Zip it up until there's about enough left to stick your finger through, pinch it with both hands to make the opening stay, and bottabing.
Oh, strawberries! The strawberry plants from last year are several times larger and we've pulled about 2 dozen so far. The ones we've gotten have been small, but they're starting to get bigger. We moved them to an old oval shaped wash tub and the whole setup is real nice. It pretties up the front yard.
Also, there's two little grape tomatoes already. During the summer we keep a plate on the counter in the kitchen and EVERYBODY snacks on them. Good stuff.
My squash has taken off faster and earlier than any of my other plants so far. It's growing like crazy.
What do you guys mean when you talk about spanking your tomatoes? Mine are growing tall and leafy, but are only producing just a few so far.
I also need major help with my strawberry plants. I have them planted in containers hanging from my fence so they don't touch the ground. But they are getting full sun. Do I need to move them to shade or what?
This is our first attempt at gardening and it is so much fun that I go out and "check" on everything twice a day.
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I can't tell you about the strawberries, but can explain the 'spanking' of one's tomato plants...
I go out and give mine a good shake (not so hard as to break anything, but to give a good vibrating jolt)...This will help the plants pollinate...Now I have over 100 tomato plants, and I dance at retirement homes for older ladies in the evening so I'm a bit too busy for the other way...However, you can also thump the back of each yellow flower when they are showing and help get the pollination process on the road...
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Also, congratulations on starting a garden...My mom and grandfather started us on gardening when I was 4. I can only remember a couple of years where we didn't have a garden of some sort growing...It's a good hobby...
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It is a good hobby. I find myself thinking about the dang thing, while I am at work. truthfully, I am thinking, "I wonder if i could make a living as farmer or produce man". Probably not.
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I don't spank the plants. What I do, I call diddling (vulgar, I know ). Diddling is when you go to a flower cluster and cup your fingers around it and twiddle your fingers. After you do do the first cluster, go to the next, and on and on until you've diddled every flower cluster, then got back to the first one and diddle it. The result is that you pollenate the flowers and almost every one will fruit.
Is this perverse? Maybe. But the maters will be worth the act. Just try not to think about how your act helped father the maters and you'll have no problem eating them.
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My Red Norland potato plant was totally brown so I dumped the container yesterday only to find 6 taters. I was sure there would be more. I ammended the soil and planted some beans.
Also, I 'planted' some fish under my squash plants that are starting to turn brown and I started my early morning watering routine per LSS.
I could probably look back on this thread to find out when I 'planted' fish under the maters but I'm lazy. Anyway, since I did that the tomatoes have grown more than a foot, probably closer to two feet. My sweet 100 is darn near as tall as the peas that are still going nuts by the way. Fresh peas for a snack today!
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
My Red Norland potato plant was totally brown so I dumped the container yesterday only to find 6 taters. I was sure there would be more. I ammended the soil and planted some beans.
Also, I 'planted' some fish under my squash plants that are starting to turn brown and I started my early morning watering routine per LSS.
I could probably look back on this thread to find out when I 'planted' fish under the maters but I'm lazy. Anyway, since I did that the tomatoes have grown more than a foot, probably closer to two feet. My sweet 100 is darn near as tall as the peas that are still going nuts by the way. Fresh peas for a snack today!
Glad to read your tomatoes are doing well...As the plants get larger, you'll need to increase the watering just a bit...Like 1 or 2 seconds more per plant...Since you have a smaller garden, one thing you could do is get a board, nail some big nails through it and then aerate the ground around the plants with it...
One thing to keep in mind, ESPECIALLY with the high winds, wind can be very drying and you may need to water more to counteract it...I had to turn on the sprinklers for the first time this year, after hand watering the garden, so it could soak into the ground...The 30 and 45 mph winds the day before dried my garden...
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
My Red Norland potato plant was totally brown so I dumped the container yesterday only to find 6 taters. I was sure there would be more. I ammended the soil and planted some beans.
Also, I 'planted' some fish under my squash plants that are starting to turn brown and I started my early morning watering routine per LSS.
I could probably look back on this thread to find out when I 'planted' fish under the maters but I'm lazy. Anyway, since I did that the tomatoes have grown more than a foot, probably closer to two feet. My sweet 100 is darn near as tall as the peas that are still going nuts by the way. Fresh peas for a snack today!
Glad to read your tomatoes are doing well...As the plants get larger, you'll need to increase the watering just a bit...Like 1 or 2 seconds more per plant...Since you have a smaller garden, one thing you could do is get a board, nail some big nails through it and then aerate the ground around the plants with it...
One thing to keep in mind, ESPECIALLY with the high winds, wind can be very drying and you may need to water more to counteract it...I had to turn on the sprinklers for the first time this year, after hand watering the garden, so it could soak into the ground...The 30 and 45 mph winds the day before dried my garden...
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Something I forgot to mention... When I was digging down to 'plant' my fish yesterday, I noticed the first 2-4 inches of soil was dry to semi-moist then the next say 6 inches was moist but not wet then at about 10" to a foot down the next 2 inches were pretty wet, like almost standing water wet. My beds have probably 14 inches of soil total. The last time I watered before that was Friday (light watering) and we got only a sprinkling of rain saturday night. Is this something I should be concerned with?
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If you're referring to the standing water, not really...Very few vegetable plants have a long tap root...Most are less than 4 inches in length...Just continue the watering and watch the winds and temp...Both can affect the watering needs of the plants...Also, high nitrogen can be very drying, so watch the ground...You seem to have a good idea of how your garden is doing and that's the first step...My family laughs at me because I know exactly how many plants I have, where they are and how many vegetables on the plants...I KNOW when I've been robbed by a squirrel, or human, of my vegetables...
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Well, I normally give some to family and friends...If I have an overabundance, I will wash it, slice it and freeze it...
I thought I had all the bases covered on the zuccs, but I've already started giving some away. I've read some recipes of dump cake made from zuccs. I might try that next.
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Well, I normally give some to family and friends...If I have an overabundance, I will wash it, slice it and freeze it...
I thought I had all the bases covered on the zuccs, but I've already started giving some away. I've read some recipes of dump cake made from zuccs. I might try that next.
I found a recipe in a cookbook called 'White Trash Cooking' (I don't remember which volume) for Squash Pie...I must admit, it was pretty tasty...
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Well, I normally give some to family and friends...If I have an overabundance, I will wash it, slice it and freeze it...
I thought I had all the bases covered on the zuccs, but I've already started giving some away. I've read some recipes of dump cake made from zuccs. I might try that next.
I found a recipe in a cookbook called 'White Trash Cooking' (I don't remember which volume) for Squash Pie...I must admit, it was pretty tasty...
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Squash.... Why?
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Fungus or squash bugs would be my guess...Might be too much water, but I'm leaning towards the other two...If they died faster, I'd say you had a pest boring into the roots, but since they are still alive, I'm going with the fungus or squash bugs...
Check the underside of the remaining leaves for brown spots in a cluster...If that's the cause, it's going to be the squash bugs...
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I think it's lack of nutrients in the soil and it's suffering just like the tomatoes did but I'm workn on that. Aren't these plants a little young/small to flower and should I let em go or should I snip the flowers?
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I think it's lack of nutrients in the soil and it's suffering just like the tomatoes did but I'm workn on that. Aren't these plants a little young/small to flower and should I let em go or should I snip the flowers?
No. They are not too small to flower...They are larger than some of mine that are already producing some squash that should be able to be picked in about a week...
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Huh. Ok. I'll leave em. Are they like cucumbers in that they rely on bees to pollinate? Cause I ain't seen a single bee, butterfly or moth.
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Huh. Ok. I'll leave em. Are they like cucumbers in that they rely on bees to pollinate? Cause I ain't seen a single bee, butterfly or moth.
They do need help to pollinate...If you don't have bees, you can do it yourself...Take a small paintbrush (like you'd use to paint with watercolors) and first spin it in the male flower (the one NOT attached to a squash). Then take it and spin the pollinated brush into the female flower (the one attached to the squash)...
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Guys and gals, with the south winds we've endured the last few days, if you haven't watered, you need to. It is very important to keep the plants hydrated, especially with these drying winds...
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I noticed this morning that the squash flowers are both males so it's a bit of a sausage fest out there for now. Hopefully some ladies show up to the party soon.
And yes, these winds dried up the beds pretty good. Eventhough I did put some grass clippings and straw down as mulch, the soil was dry.
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DHFisher, what were you trying to show on your squash picture above?
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Well, last week I had pics showing how some of the leaves were browning so I thought it was not doing too well, then yesterday I came out to these two giant flowers. I was just showing that the plant is still pretty small with kinda brown leaves (but I buried a fish under it so we'll see what happens) and is throwin out these huge blooms. I was wondering if I should pinch em or not. You can see more flowers starting to form down there so, eh, I'll just let em go.
Oh, and I have another question. I think my sugar snap peas are about done, or at least they will be in the next couple weeks. The bottom leaves are starting to turn brown and production has slowed a bit. What can I replace the sugar snaps with when they bite the dust? I'm thinkin a southern pea because there is trellis there and tamu suggests planting as late as may 25th. Any suggestions on which southern pea is most productive in the Ft Worth area?
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Let's just say I've helped the corn along....
Last year I didn't get but a few strawberries and had squash bugs and other killers take over I think because I waited until they got established. This year I've been putting out DE and it got rid of the slugs...doodle bugs and hopefully the rest of them and we harvested a couple hundred strawberries.
Huh. Ok. I'll leave em. Are they like cucumbers in that they rely on bees to pollinate? Cause I ain't seen a single bee, butterfly or moth.
Bees work cucumbers for the nectar. Which is a trade off for the cucumbers for the bees to pollinate at the same time. Cucumbers produce nectar only a couple hours a day. 1-3 I think. Could vary with the species. Bees will learn the time and only work them during those couple hours. So you may have to check a few times a day to spot them.
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Huh. Ok. I'll leave em. Are they like cucumbers in that they rely on bees to pollinate? Cause I ain't seen a single bee, butterfly or moth.
Bees work cucumbers for the nectar. Which is a trade off for the cucumbers for the bees to pollinate at the same time. Cucumbers produce nectar only a couple hours a day. 1-3 I think. Could vary with the species. Bees will learn the time and only work them during those couple hours. So you may have to check a few times a day to spot them.
I asked because last year with my cukes I had to pollinate them myself. I waited forever before I researched it and started self pollinating. A q-tip worked well for me.
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OK guys, I built my wife a garden this year, it is a 16 X 32 plot with a concrete border around it, I put about 20 yards of what they call premium garden fill in it, looked pretty much like mulch, I then put miracle grow down for fertilizer, my okra came up right away but has done nothing in about 3 weeks, the green beans came up really nice and now they are yellow looking, the spinach, carrots and lettuce are pretty weak, the tomatoes have fruit but they look weak, the onions look terrible, the peppers are fair, the potatoes and squash are growing really well and look the best out of all plants, I water when needed and have good drainage, do I need to put some more fertilizer or plant food out ? My plants are setting in 12 inches of prime garden soil, any help for this rookie would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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How often are you watering? Here's the thing about good draining soil, you need to water more often then you'd think...When you dig down, how deep is the moisture?
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I have been checking it lately and the moisture is atleast 3 inches down, I did not dig any further thinking it was plenty good. I know ever since I put this garden in we have had very little rain, with very good drainage can you water too much ?
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I have been checking it lately and the moisture is atleast 3 inches down, I did not dig any further thinking it was plenty good. I know ever since I put this garden in we have had very little rain, with very good drainage can you water too much ?
Watering too much with good draining soil is a bit difficult...You need to water more often if it takes three inches before you're hitting moisture...If it's moist from the top down 3 inches you're probably okay...
My soil drains really well and I water at least every other day, and with the winds lately, I've had to turn on the sprinklers for an hour after hand watering...The southerly winds we've been experiencing have really dried out the soil...
The tap roots on most veggie plants are not going to be longer than 4 inches and most of the supporting roots are much closer to the soil. With pepper plants, they begin just under the soil...
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I have a tomato plant that is growing like crazy, prolly 3ft high and 4ft across. Problem is, it barely has a couple flowers, and only 1 pitiful fruit. It's green and healthy but just not makin' babies. Any ideas? (Please don't tell me it is ghey)
Does anyone think soaker hoses work best in gardens?
It's seeming to make a difference for me this year.
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Does anyone think soaker hoses work best in gardens?
It's seeming to make a difference for me this year.
One of the reasons they work better is because they are closer to the root system and deliver the water in a drip rather than a flood, allowing the plants to absorb the water.
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Okra - two inches tall, turning brown and getting limp.
I'm pretty sure I know whats wrong. I remember I had a half bag of peat this spring and I used that for the top couple inches of my beds. Well, peat = acidic, duh.
The plants that are able to get below that, such as, the tomatoes and peppers are doing fine but the plants that are young and have a shallow root system are failing... squash, cucumbers and okra.
So, the question is, can I ammend the soil with plants already started to counteract the peat? I think I'm gonna start over with the okra but the other plants are sorta established.
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CUCUMBER BEETLEFeed on Cucumbers, cantaloupes, winter squash, pumpkins, gourds, summer squash and watermelons are preferred by adult striped cucumber beetles. They also feed on beans, peas, corn and blossoms of several wild and cultivated plants. Larvae develop on these and related cucurbits. The spotted cucumber beetle has a wider host range and, in addition to cucurbits, may be found on beans, peas, potato, beet, tomato, eggplant and cabbage. The larvae is the well-known southern corn rootworm which feeds on the roots of corn, peanuts, small grains and many wild grasses
If you see this guy in your garden or yard , KILL HIM IMMEDIATELY They look like lady bugs but are not. The next time you see him he will have a lot of friends with him. They eat leaves and new growth and also eat the insides/pollen of the blossoms . When they eat the inside of the blossoms you will not get any cucumbers or squash. They also carry a disease called bacterial wilt.
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Okra - two inches tall, turning brown and getting limp.
I'm pretty sure I know whats wrong. I remember I had a half bag of peat this spring and I used that for the top couple inches of my beds. Well, peat = acidic, duh.
The plants that are able to get below that, such as, the tomatoes and peppers are doing fine but the plants that are young and have a shallow root system are failing... squash, cucumbers and okra.
So, the question is, can I ammend the soil with plants already started to counteract the peat? I think I'm gonna start over with the okra but the other plants are sorta established.
You'd probably be better served by getting a container and filling it with some sort of garden soil and then transplanting the plants to the container for a week or so...Then amend the soil and replant them where you want them...Do this in the earlier part of the day and give them plenty of water to offset the shock of transplanting...
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CUCUMBER BEETLEFeed on Cucumbers, cantaloupes, winter squash, pumpkins, gourds, summer squash and watermelons are preferred by adult striped cucumber beetles. They also feed on beans, peas, corn and blossoms of several wild and cultivated plants. Larvae develop on these and related cucurbits. The spotted cucumber beetle has a wider host range and, in addition to cucurbits, may be found on beans, peas, potato, beet, tomato, eggplant and cabbage. The larvae is the well-known southern corn rootworm which feeds on the roots of corn, peanuts, small grains and many wild grasses
If you see this guy in your garden or yard , KILL HIM IMMEDIATELY They look like lady bugs but are not. The next time you see him he will have a lot of friends with him. They eat leaves and new growth and also eat the insides/pollen of the blossoms . When they eat the inside of the blossoms you will not get any cucumbers or squash. They also carry a disease called bacterial wilt.
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Holy smokes! I saw about 10 of those yesterday crawling on the corn leaves and wondered what they were. Also, my peas were eaten to the ground by what I assumed was cut worms. Wonder if if was these little suckers.
You should be able to nuke them with sevin, I am going organic so I am using retenone and neem oil. These little suckers are bad news. The larva from them go under the soil and attack the roots of the plant. If you dont want to nuke everything get a spray that has a stream on it and hit each one with a spray. There quick and more active in the mornings/ealry. Dont forget though the eggs and larva will be harder to see and treat. I am going to drench the soil at the plant base once all this rain passes with neem oil. Once there gone dont stop treating, they have about 3 generations through out the growing season. Ladybugs should take care of their eggs. Be careful if you nuke everything with sevin because sevin kills EVERYTHING it will also kill bees which are the plants pollinators.
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Had 4 more flowers on my sad looking yellow squash plants today. They were all males so I pinched em.
I can't wait to harvest some squash!
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I've got some impatiens going nuts. They get morning sun then full shade all day.
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Tried tomatoe sandwiches for the first time last year. Plain white bread, lots of mayo, thick sliced tomatoes, salt & fresh cracked black pepper. Could not believe how good it was. I'm country plain and simple, how I missed out on this for 40+ years is an injustice! Had to have a long talk with my momma!
Well, everything in my garden was looking good until I got 5" of rain Saturday. Now my green beans are looking bad, along with several other plants. Will they be ok once they dry out some, or was it just too much rain in one day and I'm going to lose them?
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Looks like we will be doing some pickling by this coming weekend, the cucumbers are going crazy. But, my Mom's pickle recipes call for 10% vinegar but all I can find at the grovery store is 5%. Does anyone else have problems finding the higher proof vinegar or how do you get around it?
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Run your hoe around individual plants or between rows so the plants are higher than the surrounding soil. This should help drainage. Be careful not to cut any roots.
Wish I had your problem. Maybe 1/2" of rain in the last two weeks. Looks like my water bill's gonna be a booger this summer.
Run your hoe around individual plants or between rows so the plants are higher than the surrounding soil. This should help drainage. Be careful not to cut any roots.
Wish I had your problem. Maybe 1/2" of rain in the last two weeks. Looks like my water bill's gonna be a booger this summer.
There isn't any standing water, it all drained that afternoon. The plants just don't look good now, I guess from too much water. Maybe they will perk back up in a few days?????
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Run your hoe around individual plants or between rows so the plants are higher than the surrounding soil. This should help drainage. Be careful not to cut any roots.
Wish I had your problem. Maybe 1/2" of rain in the last two weeks. Looks like my water bill's gonna be a booger this summer.
There isn't any standing water, it all drained that afternoon. The plants just don't look good now, I guess from too much water. Maybe they will perk back up in a few days?????
They probably had the nutrients washed away...I'd hoe up the dirt around the plants and fertilize them with some Miracle Gro in a few days (if you're not going organic)...
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My squash, zuchini and potatoes started looking bad last week with lots of foilage damage. After reading your post - I was concerned.
A few days ago I found several of the spotted beetles. There were also small flea-like insects moving up and down the stalks of my squash and zuchini.
Ove the past few days, I've tried all the organic tricks from neem oil to a home brew of garlic/onions/pepper and soap - each morning, there were more insects than the night before... Tonight I gave in and bought a large can of sevin dust and it just went on all the squash/zuchini and potatoes. My peppers have also had some minor damage so it went on them as well. The directions say to reapply after a rain or in 6 days. I plan to fertilize on sunday and give them another dusting...
Any thoughts on if this will work? I wonder if I already have the bacterial blight....
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It should work...I rarely have to reapply unless the rains wash the Sevin Dust off within a couple of days...
You need to read the directions on when to harvest after applying Sevin Dust...I believe you can not harvest for 3 days after you have applied Sevin Dust...You'll still need to wash the veggies after you do harvest...
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Looks like we will be doing some pickling by this coming weekend, the cucumbers are going crazy. But, my Mom's pickle recipes call for 10% vinegar but all I can find at the grovery store is 5%. Does anyone else have problems finding the higher proof vinegar or how do you get around it?
I use the store brand, and still delute it with 2 parts water.
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It should work...I rarely have to reapply unless the rains wash the Sevin Dust off within a couple of days...
You need to read the directions on when to harvest after applying Sevin Dust...I believe you can not harvest for 3 days after you have applied Sevin Dust...You'll still need to wash the veggies after you do harvest...
Sevin dust did the trick.... Applied it last night, as of this morning, no critter activity at all!
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Hoeing some of the wet dirt from around the plants should help them recover from being waterlogged by allowing the dirt near their bases to dry out some. Of course, you'd want to replace the soil as it dries.
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Do you think the lack of nutrients would be evident in just two days ? Not questioning your experience , LoneStar-San , but this sounds more like a case of overwatering than nutrient deprivation.
As I said, this is my first garden. I didn't realize how far out the watermelon and cantoloupe(sp?) would spread out. Would it hurt the growth or the melons to trim the vines of these or should I just let them take over??? Thanks for all of the advice.
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Do you think the lack of nutrients would be evident in just two days ? Not questioning your experience , LoneStar-San , but this sounds more like a case of overwatering than nutrient deprivation.
Depends on the nutrient balance at the time of the water log...Yes, I've seen it happen very, very quickly...June 2004, I lost about half my tomatoes because of a flood that washed all the nutrients out...Not to mention having plants start in odd places because of the seeds being moved...Soil make up also plays a huge part in how well a plant can absorb nutrients and whether nutrients can be wiped out quickly...It's a very delicate balance...
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Thanks Siberman.
As I said, this is my first garden. I didn't realize how far out the watermelon and cantoloupe(sp?) would spread out. Would it hurt the growth or the melons to trim the vines of these or should I just let them take over??? Thanks for all of the advice.
Just let them take over...You can move them around until they start producing fruit...
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I use the store brand, and still delute it with 2 parts water.
Thanks. I went online and found other recipes for comparison and some even mentioned the acidity %. My Mom found some 9% at HEB in Temple where she lives and another place out in the country near my aunt that sells 10%. We were just going to adjust our recipe for the 5% but it looks like I won't have to now. Thanks
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Thanks Siberman.
As I said, this is my first garden. I didn't realize how far out the watermelon and cantoloupe(sp?) would spread out. Would it hurt the growth or the melons to trim the vines of these or should I just let them take over??? Thanks for all of the advice.
Yeah, they do tend to spread, don't they.
I've mowed over some vines that had grown out of the garden and it didn't hurt the rest of the plant. After the first few tries I now grow melons on my chain-link fence . I use strips of pantyhose to make little hammocks for each one (I grow cantalopes and the smaller "Icebox" watermelons) so their weight is supported and they don't break off the vine too early. I also don't have to deal with weeding around all those vines.
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Interesting. Was the 2004 garden raised bed or on a slope ? My garden space is on an extremely flat piece of land so most of the water stays in the general area when I get a flood. I did have okra grow about 30' from where I planted it last year , though.
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Interesting. Was the 2004 garden raised bed or on a slope ? My garden space is on an extremely flat piece of land so most of the water stays in the general area when I get a flood. I did have okra grow about 30' from where I planted it last year , though.
Depends on which part of the garden you are talking about...I ended up expanding it to 10,000 square feet because of the flooding...Part was on a slope, part was flat...I tried to leave about 10 inches of dirt as a sort of levee between the garden and yard...It didn't seem to help...That's just another reason why I moved it to the lake house when we bought this place...Much better soil, better drainage, better nutrients (we sit on a limestone cliff) and relatively flat on top (the draining soil does drain down the hill...You'd have to see it...
I REALLY like how you grow the melons on the fence...I've got a PERFECT location to do that next year...WOOHOO!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
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Lol. You're welcome , dude. Chain link works really well for any type of vine. I've grown gourds, cucumbers, morning glory / moonflower , beans , climbing roses, even squash (you have to tie 'em to the fence).
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Blue potatoes , green tomatoes, small cayennes and the habaneros are flowering.
Quick question on the potatoes:
I planted the red/new potato (seed potatoes) on 15 APRIL. I have decent bushes now, about 12" tall. When do I harvest or start to dig and check? Will the red potatoes flower?
Thanks in advance.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
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Blue potatoes , green tomatoes, small cayennes and the habaneros are flowering.
Quick question on the potatoes:
I planted the red/new potato (seed potatoes) on 15 APRIL. I have decent bushes now, about 12" tall. When do I harvest or start to dig and check? Will the red potatoes flower?
Thanks in advance.
They'll make some flowers. Blue I think. You can dig around the base of your plants and see if there are any potatoes. They're usually done around 6/1 in my area. They will wilt.
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Update:
My sweet 100 is almost 3 feet tall and has 14 little maters started as of yesterday. I can't believe how that thing took off. The celebrity tomatoes are starting to do well but nowhere near the 100.
Sugar snap peas are still producing but the older set is starting to brown. I planted some a couple weeks after the first set and those are going mad. Note to self, for a continued crop, plat sugar snap peas a week apart over a months time.
Spacemaster cucumbers are really starting to come alive. Although it's not a very big plant yet, the leaves are close to 8 or so inches in diameter. I wish I could say the same about my pickling cucumbers. They are only a few inches tall.
Squashes. The butternut is going ape and keeps growing in the wrong direction so I'm going to have to figure a way to make it grow in the direction I want. Zuchs are starting to come into their own. Still small plants but very nice and green. The yellow crookneck however are still yellowing and not looking great. I just worked in some fresh compost around those guys so we'll see what happens.
Bush beans grew like crazy till they hit about a foot tall then started to turn light green. They've put out some beans but they look to be struggling. I planted some more bush beans about two weeks ago in a container that I pulled my red norland potatoes out of and they have grown four inches in a week. We'll see if they produce.
Okra = sad. They turned yellow then died. So last night I turned em under and mixed in some fresh compost and replanted.
Peppers are looking good. Although they are not growing very tall, they are a nice dark green color. I've got bell and jalepenos and both have 3 to 4 fruits per plant with the jalepeno in the lead with the biggest at about an inch long.
Hops - A friend and I brew beer so we decided to try growing hops this year. I'm using a smallish container so I'm having to water every day. The chinook is about 3 feet tall with the cascades not far behind.
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UPDATE FROM ROCKWALL AREA:
Red Potatoes: Couldn't resist - did a little scooping around one plant and found the roots LOADED with golf-ball sized taters
Celebrity Maters: Marble and golf ball sized tomatoes - loaded with blooms. Did some pruning and it really seemed to help.
Cherry Maters: Loaded with pea and marble sized maters - also prolific blooming. Also did trimming and this seemed to help.
Jalepenos: Recovering from squash beetle attack. Dark green again, lots of new growth. should be fine, just need some hot weather.
Egg Plant: Small fruit - tons of blooms.
White Onions: Awesome - baseball sized - some tops starting to fall over.
Purple onions: very bad. Some plants dead - all small - some bolting to bloom. I think I planted to late or they don't do well here - will stick to texas sweet's from now on.
Zuchini- recovering from aforementioned beetle outbreak. Lots of new growth - just waiting for another round of blooms.
summer squash: Recovering as well - small and still pale - but new growth showing up. Hopefully will recover with hot weather.
Thanks to all for the help!
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I harvested 2 yellow squash and 2 sugary grape tomatoes last week...
This is this week's harvest...
I should have harvested the 2 large zucchinis last week, but they were apparently hiding from me... Oh well, that just means I can have some fried zucchini (and that's NEVER a bad thing)...
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Oh and if your zucchini ever gets like 18" to 36" (or bigger) you can always cut it in half lengthwise and then scoop out the seeds...You can then slice the remaining meat and boil it...Then add some boiled potatoes and mash it all together...Really good...
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My first tomatoes are precious. I'm beyond that stage. I'll start giving some away next week, then I'll start canning some salsa. I put up 24 pints each summer. My jalapenos, and onions are waiting. After that, I'll freezen around 30 pints of marinara, then maybe a little creole sauce.
Most recipes call for cooking the tomatoes down for a couple of hours. I don't do that. I cook about 20 to 30 minutes, and then add tomato paste.
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I have some empty room in my garden. What can I plant right now? I want to fill in the area. Thanks
We've got at least three months' growing season left. Melons , chili peppers ,tomatoes ,okra , purple-hulled and black-eyed peas do well in the heat as long as you keep 'em watered. You might want to give the melons and tomatoes a little afternoon shade.
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Don't know about marinara or creole but for my canned salsa I just put everything in a blender then heat it to boiling before putting it in hot jars.
Why freeze marinara ?
I freeze because I have more room in my freezer than I have room to store jars. It's also quicker, and cheaper. I also make stuffed bell peppers and freeze them, and green beans.
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Don't know about marinara or creole but for my canned salsa I just put everything in a blender then heat it to boiling before putting it in hot jars.
Why freeze marinara ?
I freeze because I have more room in my freezer than I have room to store jars. It's also quicker, and cheaper. I also make stuffed bell peppers and freeze them, and green beans.
Ever tried canning green beans?
I got my butt whupped more than once over not eating green beans so you'll understand that they're not my favorite veggie, ok? My grandmother used to can them in a pressure cooker and I remember the jars bursting when they got too hot. I understand the ease of freezing versus canning but being from East Texas (where the electricity goes out every time it storms) I prefer a non-refridgerated preservation method. I've been experimenting with the dehydrator the last few years and I must say that those "store-bought , sun-dried" tomatoes are waaaaaaaay overpriced.
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Second batch of string beans with some grape tomatoes. Peppers starting to do well. Already picked a batch of Cubanel peppers, waiting on the hot stuff....
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Those green beans look great. Some people pick fresh green beans and boil them until they taste like they came from a can. I blanch mine for around 8 minutes and then stir fry them, in butter, then add lemon juice, or lemon pepper.
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Second batch of string beans with some grape tomatoes. Peppers starting to do well. Already picked a batch of Cubanel peppers, waiting on the hot stuff....
nice.. I need to come see what a good garden looks like, because mine ain't it. It's ok, but nothing like what you are producing. I have about a dozen tomato plants, but only have a total of 6 tomatoes on the vine.
Speaking of, do you prune your tomato plants, and if so, how? I understand the process, but not sure what gets pruned and what doesn't.
Also, Cubanelles are becoming my favorite pepper. Can't seem to find them in the markets anywhere though. I grew a few last year, but don't have any planted this season.
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Have never pruned our tomatoe plants, just let 'em go. I think the key to good growing is good dirt. I know you know about Dyno dirt, we talked about it last season. Since I've added it to my garden things have really grown better, fuller and produced more than previous years.
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I used dyno dirt, and that's it in my raised beds, and they just didn't do great. I think my problem had been drainage related. It's better, and I have better plant spacing, but still needs work.
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What about fertilizing ? I was told to put down the required amount, I think it was miracle grow time release type, my garden is fair at best, I bought select garden dirt that pretty much looked like mulch, it is about 12 inches deep and has good drainage, should I be fertilizing more ?
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What about fertilizing ? I was told to put down the required amount, I think it was miracle grow time release type, my garden is fair at best, I bought select garden dirt that pretty much looked like mulch, it is about 12 inches deep and has good drainage, should I be fertilizing more ?
I always use fertilizer. The mulch could still be composting which will take up the nitrogen.
The place I bought the garden fill from did mention to put nitrogen down and then after 30 days use whatever fertilizer you want, would some more miracle grow be a good choice ?
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What about fertilizing ? I was told to put down the required amount, I think it was miracle grow time release type, my garden is fair at best, I bought select garden dirt that pretty much looked like mulch, it is about 12 inches deep and has good drainage, should I be fertilizing more ?
I always use fertilizer. The mulch could still be composting which will take up the nitrogen.
Well, the cucumbers are doing great. Got to do a little pickling this weekend and the vines are loaded with little 1" to 1 1/2" cucumbers so later this week will be a busy time. Jalapenos are looking great and I picked enough to can this weekend too. The bell peppers are doing nicely as well. Picked a couple of good sized ones this weekend. Odd story. I "thought" I had purchased red and yellow bell peppers. I have 1 bush that produced a purple bell pepper. Never seen antyhing like it so I looked them up. Yep, they exist. I guess someone put the plant in the wrong container. Oh well. But my roma tomatoes are ticking me off. I had blooms like crazy and about 20 little ping pong ball size tomatoes growing. Then I noticed the bottoms were turning brown and looked to be rotting. Hmmm. I ended up picking most of them off, some still looked okay. I researched a bit and the thing I read said it could be from uneven watering, letting the soil get too try then too wet instead of a consistent moisture content. I water about every 4 days unless we get rain so that seemed odd. It also mentioned having a ph imbalance, sorry not a chemist so I'm not sure how to check that. Could also be too much nitrogen and mentioned using fertilizer with more phospherous. These are growing in big pots (tubs) and I used a gardening soil from the nursery and mixed in some cow manure. Have sprayed with Miracle grow once, about a month ago. Maybe the manure had too much nitrogen but it hasn't seemd to bother the other plants, just my tomatoes.
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Sounds like you have blossom end rot on your tomatoes. Not much you can do this year. You need a source of calcium. I put lime in there for that before I plant. It seems to work.
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With all the heat we've been experiencing recently, it is time to start watering early in the morning or late in the evening...You will also need to increase the watering time to help keep the plants from burning up...
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It honestly depends on the kind of cucumbers you planted...I'd assume 10" is plenty ready (I pick some at 6" to 8" and another variety at 10" to 12")...Some can get bigger and not be too seedy (the seeds get harder the larger the cucumber gets)...I'd pick one now and then let one or 2 grow to the size you would consider 'ready' and see which one is better...
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Good job on the early harvest! I'm getting banana peppers, tomatoes and blackberries right now and everything else is looking good. I found a mulberry tree about 3 blocks away and asked if they minded me harvesting them(side of the house).....been there 3x so far and they're awesome my 3 yr old is painted purple.
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With all the heat we've been experiencing recently, it is time to start watering early in the morning or late in the evening...You will also need to increase the watering time to help keep the plants from burning up...
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If it don't start raining in Northeast Texas soon I'm gonna lose my corn (or have a $100 water bill).
With all the heat we've been experiencing recently, it is time to start watering early in the morning or late in the evening...You will also need to increase the watering time to help keep the plants from burning up...
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If it don't start raining in Northeast Texas soon I'm gonna lose my corn (or have a $100 water bill).
Went out to water the garden yesterday evening and my potatoes looked llike a hurricane had moved through, almost all the leaves were gone, they were full of bugs, I put dust on them, will they be ok ?
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I had a green worm attack on my potatoes too. I dusted em right away. We shall see...
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I just built my wife a nice flower bed in the front yard. How do I keep my labs out of it? It's in the shade with fresh tilled dirt so they want to lay in it. They have mashed all of her newly planted flowers and dug.
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I just built my wife a nice flower bed in the front yard. How do I keep my labs out of it? It's in the shade with fresh tilled dirt so they want to lay in it. They have mashed all of her newly planted flowers and dug.
How can i keep them out?????
Cayenne pepper will work on some dogs...I have a Shih Tzu that loves to eat the flowers off of marigolds and zinnias..
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I just built my wife a nice flower bed in the front yard. How do I keep my labs out of it? It's in the shade with fresh tilled dirt so they want to lay in it. They have mashed all of her newly planted flowers and dug.
How can i keep them out?????
Cayenne pepper will work on some dogs...I have a Shih Tzu that loves to eat the flowers off of marigolds and zinnias..
Seems like Wal Mart use to carry a powder you could sprinkle in. Anyone know if it works?
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That's a tough one...I'd say about an hour a day...Tomato plants, if actively growing fruit take about 1 inch of water per week...Squash is the same...Corn is the only one that can take a little less...I'd go with an hour and adjust accordingly...
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That's a tough one...I'd say about an hour a day...Tomato plants, if actively growing fruit take about 1 inch of water per week...Squash is the same...Corn is the only one that can take a little less...I'd go with an hour and adjust accordingly...
Ok. That's where I will start.
Funny thing is, my smallest tomatoe plants have the largest fruit, albeit only 1 per plant. And I'm not joking either. These are better boy plants that are no more than 10" tall. The fruit is big enough to fill the palm of my hand.
I know alot of it has to do with my soil. It is very high clay content and turns into concrete quickly after a heavy rain.
AdventureTX, I lived on a farm of which the south border was a river. My grandad would have me go down by the river where there were a lot of wild mulberry trees and pick all I could in the spring. Didn't gripe because I could eat as many as I wanted. With the rest my grandma made fabulous rhubarb-mulberry cobbler and my grandad would keep enought to make a batch of mulberry wine.
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It's odd, the one in the first pic looks more like a Spaghetti Squash...However, the second one looks like a pumpkin...Are they on the same plant? Spaghetti Squash plants put off a similar odor to that of yellow squash, but a bit nuttier, sort of like Zucchini...
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LOL...I've had that happen before...It's great, isn't it...Squash and pumpkins have similar plants and Spaghetti Squash is usually more oblong than round...It's a tough call...
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My largest harvest thus far...
15 Zucchini Squash, 6 Yellow Squash, 1 Early Girl Tomato, 8 Sugary Grape Tomatoes (2 weren't ripe, but they came off when I pulled the others), 9 Sweet Banana Peppers, 4 Cayenne Peppers, 5 Anaheim Chili Peppers, and 5 Cubanelle Peppers.
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What caused what the blackish/brownish/purple color or the utensil laying across the stem...? I'd say manmade global warming caused the utensil to try and have it's way with the stem...
I'm not sure what causes the discoloration...We have it on occasion and it's never been a problem...Eat away, just stop when you get to the utensil or else you'll have to buy new teeth...
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That's awesome!!!!!
I had one similar to that and it was like a zucchini/spaghetti squash hybrid...VERY good...If that's what it is, they take longer than the other squash to mature, usually about 20 days...
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I've had a BOAT load of lady bugs...First time it's been this way since 2007...We had them EVERYWHERE including the house that year...They've stayed in the garden this year...
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Okra is usually ready when it's 2 - 4 inches long...Some varieties are okay longer, but the majority get too difficult to eat when they are longer...Be prepared to pick okra everyday...Oh and take a knife or pair of scissors to cut it from the plant...You may need to wear gloves as well depending on the variety and if it makes you itch or not...
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One more thing, Edge, watch the flowers when you're picking...You might see a bumblebee instead of your more friendly honey bee...Bumblebees can sting more than once...NOT a pleasant experience...
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The first pic shows how my sweet 100 is starting to turn brown from the bottom up. The top half still looks great and it's still putting off little maters but if this keeps up I'm afraid the whole plant will die before I harvest. Thoughts?
Second pic is of my cuke. Went out this kiting and it's got those white spots all over it. Thoughts?
Good news bad news thing. There are little wolf/jumping spiders eating those foe beetles I showed you. Spiders good beetles bad
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The spots on the cucumber leaves look like those that happen after putting out Sevin dust or when fertilizer hits the leaves...
The tomatoes aren't getting either enough water or nitrogen...Or it could be getting wind burned...I've got some that are having the same issue because of the southerly winds...I can block the winds from the north, but the south winds are just a PITA....
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Anybody ever grow asparagus ? Mine is 3 years old and I thought it was a male (I got a decent harvest this year) but now the fronds have what look to be berries (seed sacs ?) on them.
Got my garden in a little late but everything seems to be going well. In the last week I have had an invasion of grasshoppers. These things are tiny but there are 100's of them. They have eat the tops of my leftover radishes and are now working on my okra and pea plants. Put sevin dust out today , but the directions did not list grasshoppers as one of the insects it controls. Anyone have any suggestions if the sevin does not work? THANKS!
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Got my garden in a little late but everything seems to be going well. In the last week I have had an invasion of grasshoppers. These things are tiny but there are 100's of them. They have eat the tops of my leftover radishes and are now working on my okra and pea plants. Put sevin dust out today , but the directions did not list grasshoppers as one of the insects it controls. Anyone have any suggestions if the sevin does not work? THANKS!
Here is an interesting read on grasshoppers...It is written by someone in Colorado, but has some very good information...Oh, and like women, grasshoppers are the debil...
Well the first tomatoe horn worm was a bit of a novety, even thought about feeding it up to become a lunar moth. 14 worms later... I'm pizzed! Used mechanical means of control...splat!!! Then found the stink bugs . Not happy about it, but malathion should do the tick.
You are correct on the Sphinx moth Siberman. My entymology slipped up on me. Double checked the label before application, Malathion has a 7 day harvest interval for tomatoes at the rate I applied. I understand your concern, I might should have included a disclaimer with my post. I've kept a private pesticide applicator license for 30+ yrs. and even held a commercial lic. for 8 yrs. Also have access to an entymologist w/Phd. that I consult with before application. Certainly didn't wish anyone else to take my lead on chemical applications.
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We always grow okra and this year we added Red Velvet to the list because we hadn't ever seen it before here's the first harvest, it is producing on very small plants.
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Cha-ching! 3rd qt of pickles hit the counter today. Should have at least 2 more qts worth of cucumbers by Thursday of this week. I also have 6 bell peppers on one plant 7 on another. 12 roma tomatoes just about full size and starting to turn colors finally. Probably need to pick those today so the birds don't start pecking at them. Seems like that little "bottom rot" issue I had with the tomatoes worked itself out as these all look fine. Jalapeno bushes looking great, loaded with blooms and about 12 little peppers growing... Onions failed though, I don't think they are getting enough sun where I planted them.
So I may have screwed up. I have some kind of bug/worm getting my tomatoes just as they are ripening. It leaves a nasty black rotted chunk in the mater. Also, I have never done well with corn. The plant have always grown really well, but worms get in and 95% of the harvest is trashed (im not eating wormy corn).
Anyhow, I have never doen well with tomatoe plants, but this year my plants have a ton of fruit growing and the plants themselves are extremely healthy.
So, here is where I screwed up. I decided I was going to have wormless corn and I wanted rid of whatever is eating my tomatoes. So I bought a bottle of liquid Sevin and mixed it up in my sprayer and sprayed every veggie plant I had, even the fruits themselves.
I have used Sevin powder all my life for a pesticide, but I've never been a big veggie garden guy until the last few years.
Now, 12 hours later, I am regretting using the stuff after all of the reading I have done on other gardening forums.
So how bad have I screwed up here. Some stuff I read said I can't eat the fruits for two weeks. I will lose a ton of tomatoes and peppers and squash if that is the case.
Growing up, we always picked field corn at my Grandpa's farm (think 60's thru mid-80's). In those days, there were very fews ears of corn that didn't have a worm on the end and maybe an inch or so of the corn gone. We always just cut that piece off and kept the rest, no big deal. Of course, nowadays, they have all of these hybrid varieties that are "roundup ready" and "worm-free". I can't remember the last worm I saw in an ear of corn from the fields, but then again, I'm talking field corn, not sweet corn. The field stuff is still edible but I would thing with all of the hybridization it's not nearly as good for you now as it once was. Anyway, most of that stuff is used for cattle, hog and chicken feed (not to mention deer corn).
Read the label/booklet attached to the product. Just happen to have a bottle of liquid sevin on hand. The number of days to wait between last application and harvest (PHI pre-harvest interval) for tomatoes and corn is 0 days. That is assuming you used the proper rate. You should be able to rinse thoroughly and consume. PLEASE DO NOT take this as advice to act upon. Read the label, check the rate, call the number provided on the label, 800-332-5553. By the way, never use any product that is not accompanied by a label for that product. Pesticides with no lable should be dissposed of properly.
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Cool. I bow to your knowledge. I've used malathion on ornamentals ( you can't beat it for killing bugs) but never on produce. That, and the fact I got a face-full of diazinon (sp?) one year keeps me from using anything stronger than Sevin.
I try to plant "trap" crops that either draw the bad bugs away or attract beneficial insects. (Sunflowers attract squash bugs, btw.) With the population of aphid-loving fire ants in my area I finally had to break down and start nuking the squash.
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I must live in a micro-climate. All y'all have tomatoes , squash and peppers ready but mine are still green / small. I just put up 14 half-pints of "Alberta" peach preserves this weekend.
Maybe I ought to quit waiting to plant 'til after Easter....
I must live in a micro-climate. All y'all have tomatoes , squash and peppers ready but mine are still green / small. I just put up 14 half-pints of "Alberta" peach preserves this weekend.
Maybe I ought to quit waiting to plant 'til after Easter....
Don't worry. I'm in the same boat as you and have been wondering about all these "harvest" post.
All I've harvested so far are 3 banana peppers and one half eaten, half ripe tomato.
Read the label/booklet attached to the product. Just happen to have a bottle of liquid sevin on hand. The number of days to wait between last application and harvest (PHI pre-harvest interval) for tomatoes and corn is 0 days. That is assuming you used the proper rate. You should be able to rinse thoroughly and consume. PLEASE DO NOT take this as advice to act upon. Read the label, check the rate, call the number provided on the label, 800-332-5553. By the way, never use any product that is not accompanied by a label for that product. Pesticides with no lable should be dissposed of properly.
Mine says 2 days on corn (which I am fine on, I assume it will be another week before I have any ready) and on tomatoes it says 3 days. But I did use the concentrate.
I must live in a micro-climate. All y'all have tomatoes , squash and peppers ready but mine are still green / small. I just put up 14 half-pints of "Alberta" peach preserves this weekend.
Maybe I ought to quit waiting to plant 'til after Easter....
Don't worry. I'm in the same boat as you and have been wondering about all these "harvest" post.
All I've harvested so far are 3 banana peppers and one half eaten, half ripe tomato.
And don't get too worried, my cucumbers and okra just came up yesterday (which may be way too late).
I'm with you guys on the harvest. All that's ready so far are the green beans I planted last. As posted earlier, wasn't happy about using malathion, esp. this early, but I'm well over a week from any thing being ready. Started the tomatoes as transplants in 1 gal. pots waaay back in the middle of Feb., in the ground mid March and nothing ready yet. Maybe cucumbers by the end of the week... just seems like things aren't maturing as fast as they should.
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I'm there with ya on the late harvest. So far I've only had sugar snap peas which did really well. Tomatoes are green, squash are blooming but not going, I've got one cuke started and a couple small peppers on very small plants. My excuse is this is the first year of my raised bed so the nutrients are probably all wrong.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
I'm there with ya on the late harvest. So far I've only had sugar snap peas which did really well. Tomatoes are green, squash are blooming but not going, I've got one cuke started and a couple small peppers on very small plants. My excuse is this is the first year of my raised bed so the nutrients are probably all wrong.
I'm doing better this second year with my raised beds, but I think mine was more of an issue with drainage. I'm not breaking any records, but I've got 12-15 peppers going and about 20 or so peppers scattered over 8 or plants. I did much better last year in the fall though. It was a tough summer watching my maters plants grow tall but not produce anything, but when September rolled around they did quite well.
I've found myself with room for a few more things to plant, but can't decide what I want to put there. It'll probably be a couple of nice mature cubanelle pepper plants. Those are the best tasting peppers.
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will it kill the plants?
I'm sorry, dude. I didn't read your post right. I thought you were talkin' about an un-planted plot.
Yes, Round-Up will kill all plants it gets on. I've used it to kill locust trees. It doesn't stay in the ground though, so if you're a really good shot (and there's no wind) you can use it to spray just the plants you want to kill.
Other than that , about the only way I know is to get a hoe or spend an hour or so every day bent over pullin' up grass.
i had watermelon or pumpkin growing from my compost pile, a few tomato, and some trampled on cucumber plants, and a fruit laden peach tree destroyed last night by some severe storms last night in san antonio. luckly i had just brought in my 3 week old chickens from there chicken run which is a 10x15 chain link dog run, it was thrown across the yard by the winds.
I'm sorry, dude. I didn't read your post right. I thought you were talkin' about an un-planted plot.
Yes, Round-Up will kill all plants it gets on. I've used it to kill locust trees. It doesn't stay in the ground though, so if you're a really good shot (and there's no wind) you can use it to spray just the plants you want to kill.
Other than that , about the only way I know is to get a hoe or spend an hour or so every day bent over pullin' up grass.
For what it's worth, I was reading an article last week about Roundup. Roundup was found to cause extreme harm to reproductive cells, including destroying cells and DNA damage.
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Many different ways to get rid of weeds.
Boiling water
vinegar/salt
and DE has REALLY helped out to control bugs and my harvest ratio is up. With DE I've found it works as a preventive...once you got bad bugs it's usually to late and then the best thing to do is remove the infected plants and either burn them or put them in a plastic bag......DON'T COMPOST!
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Hey Adventure, I've got another plan for spring next year
I'm going to see about getting 1 or 2 chicks, and letting them go ape-crazy in my garden before planting in the early spring. That should wipe out a little bit of the bug population, albeit for a little while.
Just not sure what to do with the chicks after that. I can't keep them, lol.
I have a ton of fruits on my tomato plants. I have 6 plants with roughly 10 fruit per plant. About 5 or 6 nice big suckers, the kind you can put in the palm of your hand and not be able to fully close your hand. Why will these little boogers not ripen? They have been this way for over a week. I've never had tomato plants before, but didn't expect it to take this long for them to ripen.
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Glad you're ok, man.
I had the wind pick up and drop my chicken house ( an 8 x 10 portable building that wasn't secured) with all the chickens and chicks in it. Took me all day to round all those little suckers up.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Originally Posted By: Crappie&CatfishDudes
will it kill the plants?
I'm sorry, dude. I didn't read your post right. I thought you were talkin' about an un-planted plot.
Yes, Round-Up will kill all plants it gets on. I've used it to kill locust trees. It doesn't stay in the ground though, so if you're a really good shot (and there's no wind) you can use it to spray just the plants you want to kill.
Other than that , about the only way I know is to get a hoe or spend an hour or so every day bent over pullin' up grass.
For what it's worth, I was reading an article last week about Roundup. Roundup was found to cause extreme harm to reproductive cells, including destroying cells and DNA damage.
Anyways, just worth noting.
Gotta link to the article? RoundUp is supposed to break down into non-detrimental salt compounds. Although I don't really want to reproduce any more, I'd like to know I still can. I may just start filling the sprayer with vinegar. It's certainly cheaper.
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Many different ways to get rid of weeds.
Boiling water
vinegar/salt
and DE has REALLY helped out to control bugs and my harvest ratio is up. With DE I've found it works as a preventive...once you got bad bugs it's usually to late and then the best thing to do is remove the infected plants and either burn them or put them in a plastic bag......DON'T COMPOST!
Vinegar works on the nut grass and other weeds that grow up in the middle of my walkway so I'm sure it'd be fine for the garden. Don't know if I'd use salt. It's gonna stay in the ground and eventually leach over into other plants.
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The ants are attracted to the sugar in the peas. If you plant sweet corn harvest it before it gets too ripe or you'll have fire ant bites all over your hands.
Things are looking pretty good in my garden. I was happy to see my first jalapeno starting to grow but went out today to discover it missing. I can only assume it was a bird or a squirrel - I put up a fence to keep the dogs out. Not sure if birds or squirrels can feel the heat but I hope they can so they'll think twice next time.
Any ideas to keep them out? I hear scarecrows don't do much. What works? Rubber snakes? I read something about reflective objects (like CDs) that twirl might work.
Also, my green bean plants are producing a pretty good amount of beans but the plants themselves don't look big enough to me. Should I remove all of the existing beans and then remove the blooms as they form for a while so the plant has a chance to grow? Or should I just let them go?
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Thanks Siberman it's better this year than the previous 4 so hopefully it keeps improving.....I knew nothing when I started and still know very little. Are there professional gardeners that you can rent for the day? Mine keeps going in stages with improvements each year, but I really think it could be much better.
I'm surprised that there isn't a company that sets up "your" garden on timers and all the planting and then maybe a once a month maintenance????
I think that would get a lot of lazy people gardening!
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The ants are attracted to the sugar in the peas. If you plant sweet corn harvest it before it gets too ripe or you'll have fire ant bites all over your hands.
Will they harm the peas? I noticed I had actual sprouts forming of the shells the peas will be in, this morning. I hope they don't eat the peas before I ever get to harvest them.
Originally Posted By: Siberman
Gotta link to the article? RoundUp is supposed to break down into non-detrimental salt compounds. Although I don't really want to reproduce any more, I'd like to know I still can. I may just start filling the sprayer with vinegar. It's certainly cheaper.
I read it in Mother Earth News magazine, who got it from the Toxicology journal.
I'm getting only a couple nanner peppers a day (only have two plants). I cant eat them every day and they are spoiling before I get enough to pickle. I have them just sitting on the counter top. Is there a better way to store them until I get enough?
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Will they harm the peas? I noticed I had actual sprouts forming of the shells the peas will be in, this morning. I hope they don't eat the peas before I ever get to harvest them.
The peas haven't matured but they're sprouting ? Got a pic ? I'm not sure about that. Open a few pods up and see what's going on inside. As far as the ants , I'd be more wary of aphids sucking the juice out of the plants since the pea pods should keep the ants out. If they're harvester ants they could do some damage but I have "sugar" and "fire" ants build at the bases of my chili plants every year with no real damage done.
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I'm getting only a couple nanner peppers a day (only have two plants). I cant eat them every day and they are spoiling before I get enough to pickle. I have them just sitting on the counter top. Is there a better way to store them until I get enough?
Put 'em in the vegetable crisper of your refridgerator. Low humidity will keep 'em longer.
Is this from a horn worm or is this from something else like a squirrel?
It's starting to really tick me off. I've looked the plant over and can't find a horn worm but that doesn't mean there isn't one there.
I'd be inclined to vote squirrel. Tomatoe horn worms, and I had a bunch, prefer the leaves and are usually easy to spot. You would most certainly be seeing damage to the leaves as well. You may be looking at rabbit damage. I've got a lot of squirrels, and they have never bothered the garden.
Anyone here grow berries (in North Texas, anyways)?
I am looking at ordering 10 berry plants - 5 blackberry & 5 raspberry. Was going to do 15, with the other 5 being Golden Anne Raspberries, but since I can only order them in multiples of 5s, I decided to hold off. Still not sure how those golden raspberries would do here.
I staked out my 2011 garden yesterday. Need to spend the next few weeks going around finding free lumber to build 4 more raised beds.
Also, one of my tomatoes finally turned orange-red. Should be just a few more days until it's ready to harvest. How do you tell when it's ready to pick?
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what is the biggest you will still use okra..i guess fried okra and gumbo would allow for the biggest to be used is the diameter of a C battery too big
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Here's what I added last weekend and after using it for a week it's one of the few things I would recommend. This is after going through 3 plastic ones that always leaked.
Finally used the quail my dad gave me years ago and after installing it I had to take it off and replace all the inner seals.
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what is the biggest you will still use okra..i guess fried okra and gumbo would allow for the biggest to be used is the diameter of a C battery too big
Sort of depends on the variety. Most okra on bushes need to be harvested no bigger than 3"-4". However, we gre some years ago that my step-father called "German okra" and you didn't even pick it until it was 5"-6" long and you could let it get to about 7" without it getting too hard. That variety is a lighter green color than most okra and it doesn't grow on short, knee to thigh high bushes. It grows more on stalks, sort of like corn. Our plants were about 5'-6' tall, lol..
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Now this it what I have been waiting for and a friend told me the time was right so we moved these Italian pollinators behind my garage late last night and I woke up to bees on every flower!
This hive just has the bottom box and will soon have the upper box where they start storing the honey. We won't get a harvest this year.
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It is a little tilted. Probably going to get some cinder blocks and really get it permanently settled. Was out this morning watching them and they look a little different than our natives I'll try and get a pic of one.
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Anyone here grow berries (in North Texas, anyways)?
I am looking at ordering 10 berry plants - 5 blackberry & 5 raspberry. Was going to do 15, with the other 5 being Golden Anne Raspberries, but since I can only order them in multiples of 5s, I decided to hold off. Still not sure how those golden raspberries would do here.
I staked out my 2011 garden yesterday. Need to spend the next few weeks going around finding free lumber to build 4 more raised beds.
Also, one of my tomatoes finally turned orange-red. Should be just a few more days until it's ready to harvest. How do you tell when it's ready to pick?
I planted 4 thornless blackberries last spring (2009) and this year they're covered ( "Apache" seems to do well here). Both my granddads always grew the thorned variety and I must say it's nice to be able to pick 'em without needing a blood transfusion.
If you're having problems with critters eating your ripe tomatoes go ahead and pick 'em while they're pink. Put them in a bright window and they'll ripen up just fine.
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Originally Posted By: ROOKIE 07
what is the biggest you will still use okra..i guess fried okra and gumbo would allow for the biggest to be used is the diameter of a C battery too big
3" to 4" for boiling / stewing. Up to 6" for frying. Anything bigger I'd keep to dry and save the seed.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Mine has started turning red too but the birds are getting to em before I am. When it looks like you want to eat it, pick it.
Same here. Darn birds get more of the blackberries than we do....
2 words: bird netting. It's a pain to work with but it'll keep critters off your food. I even use it to keep snakes out of the bird and chicken houses.
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This is the harvest from this morning...I'm sorry I was too sick to take pics last week and post them. I harvested 1 day, but had my mom and niece harvest when they were down here the other days...
13 Cubanelle Peppers, 7 Gypsy Peppers, 7 Tam Jalapeno Peppers (Mild), 6 Cucumbers (1 of these is too large and will have to be grilled, yes, grilled), 6 Zucchini Squash (2 of these will be turned into Zucchini bread), 4 Yellow Squash, 13 Tomatoes (Mixture of Early Girl, Beefsteak, and Heatwave), 23 Cherry Tomatoes, 1 Jalapeno Pepper (Hot), 5 Anaheim Chili Peppers, 26 Sweet Banana Peppers, 6 Hot Banana Peppers, 8 Cayenne Peppers...
I'll be going out later and checking to see if I missed anything, but dang it's HUMID this morning...
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Thanks guys...I'm upset about the wind damage my tomatoes and squash have seemingly suffered...I moved the tomatoes this year and they aren't protected from the south winds...They are fine on the other 3 sides, but not the south...Coupling that with the high heat so early and it's basically a blast furnace. This will be the first year I've had to replant the tomatoes for a fall garden...
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Does anyone know where I can get small cukes ? I need two bushels and do not want anything over 3 inches, I am going to a Farmers market in NRH to see what they have, I have bought them there for the past 3 or 4 years but cannot seem to get them small enough.
whats wrong with my tomatos? are they getting to hot? i know they are getting pleny of water. i have sprayed a few times in the last month for different insects. lss whats the deal.
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I can't tell you whats wrong with them, but I can tell you that out of fear of it being a fungus, I immediately break those off at the stalk assuming those branches are not flowering.
Besides, you dont care about leaf growth so much. You want fruit growth.
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Originally Posted By: SFAbassguy
whats wrong with my tomatos? are they getting to hot? i know they are getting pleny of water. i have sprayed a few times in the last month for different insects. lss whats the deal.
Most likely insect activity...I'd cut back on the water just a bit and see if that helps them...Mine are windburned and I'll be replacing them after I make the large harvest in a few weeks...
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Does anyone know where I can get small cukes ? I need two bushels and do not want anything over 3 inches, I am going to a Farmers market in NRH to see what they have, I have bought them there for the past 3 or 4 years but cannot seem to get them small enough.
Saw them at costco about 5 months ago for about $8 for a 5-6lb bag.
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Today's harvest: 14 tomatoes (mixture of Big Boy, Better Boy, Early Girl and Homestead), 14 Roma Tomatoes, 4 Yellow Squash, 1 Zucchini Squash, 2 Tam Jalapeno Peppers, 3 Carmen Peppers (they are supposed to be red when ripe, but I am impatient and wanted to spur on growth), 1 Green California Wonder Pepper, 1 Purple Bell Pepper (on a plant that produces...Cubanelle Peppers), 2 Sweet Banana Peppers, 1 Gypsy Pepper, 2 Cubanelle Peppers, 9 Hot Banana Peppers, 2 Hot Jalapeno Peppers, and 7 Cayenne Peppers...
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I am lagging behind on my tomatoes and peppers but my squash has gone crazy this year. I have been picking about 6 to 8 a day on about 8 plants. They didn't do good at all last year but this year it is amazing. Cucumbers are starting to produce pretty good. Okra, tomatoes and peppers are coming along and will be doing really good soon. Melons are also really growing. Most of all I am trying corn for the first time and my 8 plants look great and have about 12 to 14 cobbs growing. Looks like my first attempt at them are going to work out fine. Can't wait to get me some fresh corn going on the smoker. Took some squash and put some Habenero Olive Oil, Lime juice, garlic herb and lemon pepper on them and put them on the grill the other night. They were awesome.
Awesome TBass. If you do pull the corn to grill it, pull it right before you throw it on the grill. It will taste amazing...
Spread a lot of DE yesterday. The peas are being bombarded by pests.
No cobs yet for me, but I am pleased that the corn is about 2.5' tall now. The Kentucky Wonder Pole beans are flat out ridiculous - some have crawled taller than me.
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Excellent.
Finally got some rain last night. About 5" in a couple hours. Went out to the garden this afternoon and I'm estimating about 5 lbs of blackberries , 20 squash , 15 or so serrano and cayennes (the habs are still green), and beaucoup green tomatoes. Looks like a busy weekend.
Y'all really need to try the "Apache" thornless blackberries. 1.5" long and just the right flavor. Not too sweet, not too sour.
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you guys ever get mislabeled vegatables? I have a plant that was supposed to be an anaheim pepper plant. Pulled two peppers today, and they are peppers, but they are not anaheims. Anaheims are typically a deep green, and these things are basically big yellow colored banana peppers. The anaheims I had last year were green all the way through there development, so I know these things weren't going to turn green like that.
Maybe I'll post a picture later.
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you guys ever get mislabeled vegatables? I have a plant that was supposed to be an anaheim pepper plant. Pulled two peppers today, and they are peppers, but they are not anaheims. Anaheims are typically a deep green, and these things are basically big yellow colored banana peppers. The anaheims I had last year were green all the way through there development, so I know these things weren't going to turn green like that.
Maybe I'll post a picture later.
Yeah, Anaheim Peppers start out dark green...I'll post my pics from today's harvest in a few minutes and show you...
I did get a purple bell pepper off a plant that also grows Cubanelles...It might be a second plant I didn't see when I planted it and just happened to have the purple bell instead...Either way, it makes me happy...
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Today's Harvest:
June 12, 2010 Harvest (Picture 1 of 2): 24 Sweet Banana Peppers, 7 Zucchini Squash, 2 Yellow Squash, 1 Carmen Pepper, 9 Cubanelle Peppers, 5 Cucumbers, 16 Cayenne Peppers, 2 Gypsy Peppers, 21 Tam Jalapeno Peppers, 19 Anaheim Peppers and 11 Hot Banana Peppers.
June 12, 2010 Harvest (Picture 2 of 2): 18 Tomatoes (mixture of Homestead, Early Girl and Heatwave), 11 Large Cherry Tomatoes (I don't remember their name, but they are from a volunteer plant), 35 Sweet 100 Cherry Tomatoes and 1 Lemon Boy Tomato.
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This morning's harvest. The little red ones are Thai peppers..can't wait to see how hot they are....
They should be somewhere between a cayenne and a pequin. They're hotter green . The red ones kinda remind me of chipotli. Can't wait 'til mine are ripe.
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Just fyi for any newbie chili eaters:
Don't drink water-based liquids like tea to take the burn out. Drink milk , eat cheese or starchy foods like bread/ tortillas/pasta . The heat-producing chemical in chilis (capsicum ? ) is oil based. Water will only spread it around more. Dairy and grain products actually absorb the oil.
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Today's Harvest:
June 12, 2010 Harvest (Picture 1 of 2): 24 Sweet Banana Peppers, 7 Zucchini Squash, 2 Yellow Squash, 1 Carmen Pepper, 9 Cubanelle Peppers, 5 Cucumbers, 16 Cayenne Peppers, 2 Gypsy Peppers, 21 Tam Jalapeno Peppers, 19 Anaheim Peppers and 11 Hot Banana Peppers.
June 12, 2010 Harvest (Picture 2 of 2): 18 Tomatoes (mixture of Homestead, Early Girl and Heatwave), 11 Large Cherry Tomatoes (I don't remember their name, but they are from a volunteer plant), 35 Sweet 100 Cherry Tomatoes and 1 Lemon Boy Tomato.
The first pic shows how my sweet 100 is starting to turn brown from the bottom up. The top half still looks great and it's still putting off little maters but if this keeps up I'm afraid the whole plant will die before I harvest. Thoughts?
Second pic is of my cuke. Went out this kiting and it's got those white spots all over it. Thoughts?
Good news bad news thing. There are little wolf/jumping spiders eating those foe beetles I showed you. Spiders good beetles bad
Did you ever get the powdery mildew disease under control?
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The first pic shows how my sweet 100 is starting to turn brown from the bottom up. The top half still looks great and it's still putting off little maters but if this keeps up I'm afraid the whole plant will die before I harvest. Thoughts?
Second pic is of my cuke. Went out this kiting and it's got those white spots all over it. Thoughts?
Good news bad news thing. There are little wolf/jumping spiders eating those foe beetles I showed you. Spiders good beetles bad
Did you ever get the powdery mildew disease under control?
Nope. It's pretty much taken that tomato plant and some leaves of that cuke are dying.
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My watermelon had been doing really good. Then I went to check on it yesterday and several of them had black spots on the end and a couple had fallen off of the vine. It's fenced off all the way around so nothing is getting in the garden. Any ideas what could be the cause of this? Overwatering???? I appreciate any advice.
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The first pic shows how my sweet 100 is starting to turn brown from the bottom up. The top half still looks great and it's still putting off little maters but if this keeps up I'm afraid the whole plant will die before I harvest. Thoughts?
Second pic is of my cuke. Went out this kiting and it's got those white spots all over it. Thoughts?
Good news bad news thing. There are little wolf/jumping spiders eating those foe beetles I showed you. Spiders good beetles bad
Did you ever get the powdery mildew disease under control?
Nope. It's pretty much taken that tomato plant and some leaves of that cuke are dying.
Use neem oil, Its a organinc "fungicide" (which is what powdery mildew is) ,miticide and pesticide. Also make sure you have good air circulation. I usually cut off about the first foot of leaves at the ground up. Also google powdery mildew and there are some inexpensive methods to treating. There is one I remember with butter milk ,or regular milk. I think the lactic acid in the milk kills the bacteria. Powdery mildew is caused by too much humidity/moisture. Most times because we get to much water on the plant leaves. Its does not do any good to water the plants leaves . Especially in the evening , the water will sit on the leaves for hours causing powdery mildew and other bad things. I have very little powdery mildew problems . I always use a soaker hose and try to water early morning and early after noon about 7am and 5-6 pm. The main thing is not to let the water sit. The problems with powdery mildew that have are caused by the morning dew. I will usually cut the 1-2-3 leaves off and treat with neem oil on a weekly schedule.
First off In no way am I claiming to be a expert , just want to pass on what is working for me. Not for everyone,or every situation. Last year I had to kill off my garden because It got over whelmed with pest. This year (knock on wood) problems are minimal. First thing is knowing your enemies. Also, I do not use sevin dust, even though its been used for years, I just cant bring my self to use it in my garden. It kills all your beneficial bugs also, bees, lady bugs,frogs ,snakes, EVERYTHING. I do have a bottle of sevin dust but its not for my garden I put it on bushes and on the ground around the perimeter of the garden. Places where bugs will hide and cross on their journey to my garden. I use Neem oil(mix a teaspoon of dish washing liquid with it), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil its organic and has been used for many more years than sevin dust. Neem oil does not affect or has little effect on your benefecial bugs, bees lady bugs etc. Neem oil kills the plant eaters and thats it. Ladybugs, bees ,and ants are not plant eaters. One thing thats most important to remember is to use it as a "preventative" , its not a kill all when your overwhelmed with pest or fungus. Rotenone , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotenone , Now this is bad stuff Its about as bad as sevin dust but "organic". I use this for a kill all on the spot. BUT I NEVER SPRAY IT ALL OVER THE PLANTS. I put it in a sprayer bottle and spray on the bugs when I see them so very little ever gets on the plant itself. Here lately I bought some of the ecosmart brand beetle (kills cucmber BEETLES)spray they have for sell at the depot. I mixed some rotenone in the bottle and it kills even cucmber beetles on the spot. I keep the bottle in the garden area and pick it up when I am walking around the garden , see a bug spray him , dead bug. STINK BUGS, these are tough bugs to kill with the chemicals I use. But instead of getting out the sevin dust I got a small vacuum vacuum them off the plant and destroy else where. If a stink bug is not on your plant he cant reproduce in your garden. In fact you off course could walk around with the dust buster and vacum up all bugs and use even less pesticides. If you dont keep up with the bugs this year they will be back in full force next year since most over winter in the dirt. I did loose some squash plants this year but it could of easily been different If I knew what I was looking at. I got the squash vine borer on some plants and since the pest over winter I just pulled them and planted new plants. I have heard of people in injecting rotenone in the stem, slicing the stem and pulling the worm and useing a small wire in the hole and scraping the in side of the stem to kill the worm but I pulled them. If I would of kill these flying bugs when I seen them I might not of had the problem with the vine borers.
rotenone? Really.. I'd only seen that in association with trying to poison ponds and kill off all the fish.
Off course , its natural, there has been arguments but I'll leave that up to you to do your home work. Sevin will kill and do more damage than rotenone in your pond setting. I use it but only spray the bugs and what maybe 1 leaf at a time. I have heard of folks also using rotenone to get fish to eat. Heres some reading that has to do with rotenone. Use it wisely and read the directions..... http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_br_t3200_77.pdf
This stuff kinda compares to the killing power of sevin but its organic so I believe it breaks down in 3 days and does not affect ground water. Sevin is great stuff also, plant and roots do not absorb it and there might be a time where I have to use sevin . On the home garden basis I dont think I need sevin, a big scale garden might prove otherwise. But , I will try organic stuff first just because. I dont like using sevin in the garden just because it kills everything it get in contact with including all the good bugs. Then you have to do things like manually pollinate your plants. Birds eat caterpillars/bugs , frogs eat flying bugs, etc, etc. You will see more activity of natural bugs and animals taking care of your bug problem. With organic gardeing you let things kinda take care of themselves and get in when things get out of hand.
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It's only about 1000 or 1200 sq. ft. It's not as big as I used to grow, but I have the pepper rows 25 inches apart and the plants in each row 18 inches apart. Then I have the tomato plants between 32 and 36 inches apart and the plants 18 inches apart...Keeping the rows straight really helped this year...I'll probably be expanding it just a bit in the winter to make room for more cucumber and melon plants...
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Dont know what part of Tx your in , has the heat started to affect your plants?
I'm in NE Bosque County (about 1.5 hours SW of you...YES...Primarily the tomatoes and squash. I moved the tomatoes this year (it was time to rotate) and they have been affected by the wind/heat...It's been like a blast furnace so I'll be planting a fall garden and replacing my tomato plants for the first time...Oh well, now I need to design something to block the wind before next spring...
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Dont know what part of Tx your in , has the heat started to affect your plants?
I'm in NE Bosque County (about 1.5 hours SW of you...YES...Primarily the tomatoes and squash. I moved the tomatoes this year (it was time to rotate) and they have been affected by the wind/heat...It's been like a blast furnace so I'll be planting a fall garden and replacing my tomato plants for the first time...Oh well, now I need to design something to block the wind before next spring...
The season is pretty short here it seems. I'll be looking into getting my "summer" crop started a little sooner next year, maybe a green house . I just replanted some squash and want to see how it will do going into fall. I read a second crop should do pretty good , so I will see. Keep us updated with planting a fall crop as I want to do so also. I will be working on my soil over the winter. Its not what I want and have added whats recommended after soil test. Its still to clay like but twice as good as last year but It could be better.
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Dont know what part of Tx your in , has the heat started to affect your plants?
I'm in NE Bosque County (about 1.5 hours SW of you...YES...Primarily the tomatoes and squash. I moved the tomatoes this year (it was time to rotate) and they have been affected by the wind/heat...It's been like a blast furnace so I'll be planting a fall garden and replacing my tomato plants for the first time...Oh well, now I need to design something to block the wind before next spring...
The season is pretty short here it seems. I'll be looking into getting my "summer" crop started a little sooner next year, maybe a green house . I just replanted some squash and want to see how it will do going into fall. I read a second crop should do pretty good , so I will see. Keep us updated with planting a fall crop as I want to do so also. I will be working on my soil over the winter. Its not what I want and have added whats recommended after soil test. Its still to clay like but twice as good as last year but It could be better.
If you can get your hands on some Sandy Loam and a bunch of horse poo or quail poo, I'd add that to the soil. It'll make a world of difference...
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everything is pretty much turning brown except the peppers and cukes but I have to self pollinate those
talk me out of never gardening again
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everything is pretty much turning brown except the peppers and cukes but I have to self pollinate those
talk me out of never gardening again
I will do no such thing...Now then, the peppers and okra should be doing pretty well in this heat...They need fertilizer, sun and water...Oh and to get the peppers to produce shake them like you do the tomato plants...EVERY day...
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LSS ????
what kind of fertilizer you using?
I've never re-planted tomatoes. When should we do that? It might be to hot and dry right now? I've got tons of tomatoes on the vine but all the plants are drying out and turning brown BUT I did get the best, biggest and most tomatoes ever this year for some reason?
Second year in a row bugs(small ants this year) got my corn. I went ahead and harvested it and got about 30 ears but had to cut the tops off...what do you do?
This year I want to be prepared for "fall-winter" gardening?
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I just use Miracle Gro...This next spring, I will be adding a large amount of quail poo and leaves to the soil before planting...
I'd really suggest adding earthworms right after the next good rain. They do a lot...
This has been my best year for tomatoes as well...Every variety of tomato Neil Sperry and other gardening experts say can't be grown in my area have produced beautifully...I have a lot of limestone in my soil (since the house sits on a limestone cliff) and that does help with production. It also helps that I was living here full time and able to spank the tomato plants every day or every other day...
With the ants, there's not a lot you can do except put out grits or pour boiling hot water on the mound (if they aren't too close to a large amount of plants)...
I'd get the tomato plants in no later than mid-July...
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everything is pretty much turning brown except the peppers and cukes but I have to self pollinate those
talk me out of never gardening again
I will do no such thing...Now then, the peppers and okra should be doing pretty well in this heat...They need fertilizer, sun and water...Oh and to get the peppers to produce shake them like you do the tomato plants...EVERY day...
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problem I see are maybe some over crowding , How many plants do you have in this 24 square feet? 1 zucchini squash plant can use all that space by itself. Plants are funny like that , if there over crowded they will slow in growth and production. 2. having to self pollinate. you have to make sure you get the plant pollinated and this could be a daily thing.
everything is pretty much turning brown except the peppers and cukes but I have to self pollinate those
talk me out of never gardening again
I will do no such thing...Now then, the peppers and okra should be doing pretty well in this heat...They need fertilizer, sun and water...Oh and to get the peppers to produce shake them like you do the tomato plants...EVERY day...
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problem I see are maybe some over crowding , How many plants do you have in this 24 square feet? 1 zucchini squash plant can use all that space by itself. Plants are funny like that , if there over crowded they will slow in growth and production. 2. having to self pollinate. you have to make sure you get the plant pollinated and this could be a daily thing.
What soil have you used and what ferts?
Last year around Oct I build a few beds that are pretty spread apart. I put down a mixture of composts, leaves, coffee grounds, peat, soil, grass clippings... The cukes and squash are planted on the sides of the beds to give them plenty of room to roam off the sides so I don't think that's an issue.
After thinking about the whole situation for a good while last night, I think I've come to two conclusions as to why my garden is failing.
1. I think I used too much peat 2. Last night I dug down a foot or so to check moisture and about 6 inches down the soil is very wet and there's no way it's from the amount of watering I'm doing. I think the beds are on an area that doesn't drain at all.
So I think I need to ammend the soil and somehow get better drainage.
I'm not giving up just yet but I do need to know what I should do to get some drainage. I was thinking about pulling the soil out then removing a foot or so of dirt and replacing that with something that will drain and/or drilling holes in the side of the bed.
Thoughts
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Peat is excellent stuff to use , when needed. I recall that its not neutral and will lower the PH of the soil. If you have high ph and clumpy soil it would be fine to use.I posted a link a few pages back on where to get soil test done for 15 dollars and that will tell you exactly whats going on. This time of year it would probably take a week for results. The extra peat could of caused a shift in PH. When you go to work the soil again use something that will counter act against the peat. When your soil is right , it will do wonders for veggies. correct soil consistency and PH is one of the most important things to have for flourishing plants. Also I am not saying that this is your problem , just a possibility. A soil test will give you the info your looking for. It also test for nutrients in the soil, except for Nitrogen.
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If it makes you feel any better , my dang dog took a gallop through the garden and broke 2 pepper plants yesterday.
I feel your pain but no, it doesn't help. I love my cayennes and it was the only one I planted this year. If that sucker gets anywhere near my Thais I'm gonna hire a sniper.
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My garden is done. I just put up 5 pints of chow-chow (green tomato relish). I have 30 pints of spaghetti sauce in the freezer, along with 16 pints of creole sause, and 8 stuffed bell peppers. I canned 24 pints of salsa.
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June 19, 2010 Harvest: 50 Tam Jalapeno Peppers, 12 Cucumbers, 11 Sweet Banana Peppers, 7 Lemon Boy Tomatoes, 17 Tomatoes (mixture of Big Boy, Early Girl, Better Boy, and Homestead), 5 Large Cherry Tomatoes, 2 Gypsy Peppers, 3 Cubanelle Peppers, 55 Roma Tomatoes, 5 California Wonder Peppers, 12 Anaheim Chile Peppers, 2 Hot Banana Peppers, 11 Cayenne Peppers and 5 Hot Jalapeno Peppers...
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I bought a miniature yellow bell pepper plant this spring and wish I could remember the name. They're excellent.
Got my first Japanese eggplant today as well as 5 lbs of blackberries, 1 ear of sweet corn, 1 okra pod, several cayennes (thanks to the rodent) thais and serranos , early girl tomatoes and more squash than I care to eat (thinking sbout making pickles).
Right now I'm boiling down about 10 pounds of red plums for jelly.
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My garden is done. I just put up 5 pints of chow-chow (green tomato relish). I have 30 pints of spaghetti sauce in the freezer, along with 16 pints of creole sause, and 8 stuffed bell peppers. I canned 24 pints of salsa.
I'm tired of it.
Got a good recipe for chow-chow ? The one I have requires brining the veggies in a ceramic crock for 24 hours, etc. Anything simpler ?
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I think they have a club on the forum that you can join...
I'm starting to dislike me too...It's HUMID in the mornings and it takes about an hour to harvest...I'll be replacing the tomato plants after everything has ripened...
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had to yank a couple of squash plants today... they were overran with squash bugs.. decided to pull them before they started jacking with the other plants.. sucks too.. one had 5 fruits and the other had 3 starting to develop.
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I'm starting to dislike me too...It's HUMID in the mornings and it takes about an hour to harvest...I'll be replacing the tomato plants after everything has ripened...
Tell me about it. I went fishing before sunrise (nada!) , mowed the church yard and my own then hoed and picked blackberries. I was sweatin' like a pig before 9:00.
Do you buy new 'maters or do you take rootings from your existing plants?
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
I'm starting to dislike me too...It's HUMID in the mornings and it takes about an hour to harvest...I'll be replacing the tomato plants after everything has ripened...
Tell me about it. I went fishing before sunrise (nada!) , mowed the church yard and my own then hoed and picked blackberries. I was sweatin' like a pig before 9:00.
Do you buy new 'maters or do you take rootings from your existing plants?
I usually just buy new plants...I like to see the different varieties available and I've been very blessed this year to be able to grow so many varieties...
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had to yank a couple of squash plants today... they were overran with squash bugs.. decided to pull them before they started jacking with the other plants.. sucks too.. one had 5 fruits and the other had 3 starting to develop.
I've got to put some Miracle Gro and then put some Sevin dust on mine...Doodle bugs and squash bugs have been my biggest problems with the squash plants, but mainly it's been the doodle bugs...
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I make 4 to 6 pints of chow-chow. That's a green tomato relish for those of you who don't know. I chop up green tomatoes, red and green bell peppers, jalapenos (one per pint) and onions, cover with vinegar and bring to a boil. I end up with about half the volume, after straining and putting the chow-chow into pint jars. I don't hot bath those. They always seal. I keep the chow-chow in my frig.
I only use salt and sugar in there. It takes about 30 minutes if you have a food chopper. You could use a blender, and put your vinegar in for the liquid. You can make as little as a couple of pints at one time. Some people use cabbage.
had to yank a couple of squash plants today... they were overran with squash bugs.. decided to pull them before they started jacking with the other plants.. sucks too.. one had 5 fruits and the other had 3 starting to develop.
I've got to put some Miracle Gro and then put some Sevin dust on mine...Doodle bugs and squash bugs have been my biggest problems with the squash plants, but mainly it's been the doodle bugs...
I made a huge dent in the doo doo bugs by laying some boards on the ground. Let the boards collect a lot of moisture , water around the boards. The doo doo bugs and snails will collect in this area in about a day or 2. lift the board and spray them with some insecticide.
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Originally Posted By: JDavis7873®
had to yank a couple of squash plants today... they were overran with squash bugs.. decided to pull them before they started jacking with the other plants.. sucks too.. one had 5 fruits and the other had 3 starting to develop.
I've got to put some Miracle Gro and then put some Sevin dust on mine...Doodle bugs and squash bugs have been my biggest problems with the squash plants, but mainly it's been the doodle bugs...
I made a huge dent in the doo doo bugs by laying some boards on the ground. Let the boards collect a lot of moisture , water around the boards. The doo doo bugs and snails will collect in this area in about a day or 2. lift the board and spray them with some insecticide.
Thanks for the info. They have been HORRIBLE this year...
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I make 4 to 6 pints of chow-chow. That's a green tomato relish for those of you who don't know. I chop up green tomatoes, red and green bell peppers, jalapenos (one per pint) and onions, cover with vinegar and bring to a boil. I end up with about half the volume, after straining and putting the chow-chow into pint jars. I don't hot bath those. They always seal. I keep the chow-chow in my frig.
I only use salt and sugar in there. It takes about 30 minutes if you have a food chopper. You could use a blender, and put your vinegar in for the liquid. You can make as little as a couple of pints at one time. Some people use cabbage.
Ahh, ok. I was thinking of the cabbage-based version. I don't hot-water bath my salsa , pickled peppers or tomato juice either. They're all high acid content so pressure cooking or hot water isn't necessary. I do keep the jars hot in the oven and the lids/ caps in simmering water until I have the food ready.
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Well. My butternut, zucchini, squash and cukes are all dying and showing the same 'sore'. I'm guessing it's those darn squash bugs you guys are talking about?
so now I've been reduced to peppers, okra and believe it or not my carrots are still going. I'm ready to yank everything and start over
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thought i would show yall a few pics of my garden. i got it in late due to tiller issues but i fixed that by buying me a new troy built! i have tomatoes (mr. stripey, celebrity, big beef, and lemon boy). jalapenos, sweet banana, and bell peppers, okra, yellow and zuchinni squash, and a watermelon plant that my wife requested. come to find out she was kidding about the watermelon after i planted it! enjoy
Well. My butternut, zucchini, squash and cukes are all dying and showing the same 'sore'. I'm guessing it's those darn squash bugs you guys are talking about?
so now I've been reduced to peppers, okra and believe it or not my carrots are still going. I'm ready to yank everything and start over
looks like squash vine borer to me. They will some times attack cucumbers. If you slice the stem open you will find a big ol fat worm. You can slice the stem and cut it out and mend the cut under soil. Stick a wire in the hole and try and kill him that way or another way I heard is to inject some rotenone in the stem to kill. Have you seen these in the past If you dont kill them they will bury themselves in the dirt at seasons end and over winter and be waiting for you next year. http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/M1209.html
bb gun, netting, a dog. Probably netting would be easiest, chicken wire. Are you sure there attacking the plants or are they eating the bugs on your tomato plants. I have only had a problems around this time of year. with no water around and the heat they are forced to hydrate themselves with the maters.
thought i would show yall a few pics of my garden. i got it in late due to tiller issues but i fixed that by buying me a new troy built! i have tomatoes (mr. stripey, celebrity, big beef, and lemon boy). jalapenos, sweet banana, and bell peppers, okra, yellow and zuchinni squash, and a watermelon plant that my wife requested. come to find out she was kidding about the watermelon after i planted it! enjoy
its kinda under a huge pecan tree but the dirt is full of trash. therres no telling whats gonna come up when you till. that area has always produced really awesome bounties! i love it
its kinda under a huge pecan tree but the dirt is full of trash. therres no telling whats gonna come up when you till. that area has always produced really awesome bounties! i love it
OOOPPPSSS!!!!!killed a few of these bugs today . I thought these were a growing stink bug but there actually assasin bugs
and these I seen them under the leaves and I thought they were eating leaves but they were working on Aphids. They are the begining of a lady bug, lady bug larva. Oh well, live and learn.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Well. My butternut, zucchini, squash and cukes are all dying and showing the same 'sore'. I'm guessing it's those darn squash bugs you guys are talking about?
so now I've been reduced to peppers, okra and believe it or not my carrots are still going. I'm ready to yank everything and start over
looks like squash vine borer to me. They will some times attack cucumbers. If you slice the stem open you will find a big ol fat worm. You can slice the stem and cut it out and mend the cut under soil. Stick a wire in the hole and try and kill him that way or another way I heard is to inject some rotenone in the stem to kill. Have you seen these in the past If you dont kill them they will bury themselves in the dirt at seasons end and over winter and be waiting for you next year. http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/M1209.html
I haven't seen those guys in the garden but I'm pretty sure that's what it is given the descriptions. I'll see what I can do tonight. Tonight might be a 'rip it all out' fest at the DHFisher house.
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Also, do you guys think that drilling holes in my beds will be enough to keep the moisture levels under control or do you think I should go through the effort of taking all the soil out, digging out a bunch of dirt and refilling with sand or something that will help drainage then putting the soil back in?
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Also, do you guys think that drilling holes in my beds will be enough to keep the moisture levels under control or do you think I should go through the effort of taking all the soil out, digging out a bunch of dirt and refilling with sand or something that will help drainage then putting the soil back in?
I'd drill the holes and add a SMALL amount of pea gravel to the bottom...
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When you say a small amount, are you talking like 1/2 inch or 3 inches. My beds are between 12 to 15 inches tall
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Also, do you guys think that drilling holes in my beds will be enough to keep the moisture levels under control or do you think I should go through the effort of taking all the soil out, digging out a bunch of dirt and refilling with sand or something that will help drainage then putting the soil back in?
I'd drill the holes and add a SMALL amount of pea gravel to the bottom...
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LSS, what are your plans for a fall garden?
If you mean what will I be planting, I'll be replacing the tomato and squash plants. The cucumber, pepper and watermelon plants seem to be okay...Last year everything continued to produce until the first hard freeze.
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well there ya go. Little bassteds
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Little bastage.... You can replant. I replanted some zucchini 2-3 weeks ago and they are blooming all ready. I bought the plants all ready started from the depot of course.
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I found a worm in the zucchini, cucumber, squash and butternut. I'll be replanting all and hope those little basteds don't come back... can I prevent these little bastages?
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I found a worm in the zucchini, cucumber, squash and butternut. I'll be replanting all and hope those little basteds don't come back... can I prevent these little bastages?
It's hard to do...I'd put out Sevin Dust...It's really the only pesticide that's fairly safe on veggies...You do need to read the preharvest information so you know how long to wait after applying it before harvesting...
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I found a worm in the zucchini, cucumber, squash and butternut. I'll be replanting all and hope those little basteds don't come back... can I prevent these little bastages?
I believe they MIGHT be gone for the year. I say might because in Southern states 2 generations are possible. The flying bugs I posted are the ones that lay the eggs. The eggs are little brown disk shaped single egg that is attached to the lower part of the stem by the flying bugs, keep a sharp eye out for the eggs and the flying bugs. Remove those and you will remove the worm from hatcing and digging into the stem. They sell some netting that will keep the flying bugs from landing on the squash. If you use sevin be prepared to manually pollinate since it will kill bees also.
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June 22, 2010 Harvest (Picture 1 of 2): 14 Lemon Boy Tomatoes, 50 Tomatoes (mixture of Homestead, Heatwave, Big Boy, Better Boy, and Early Girl), 45 Roma Tomatoes, 1 Brandywine (my first SUCCESSFUL attempt to grow them), 28 Large Cherry Tomatoes, 5 Zucchini Squash, and 13 Cucumbers.
June 22, 2010 Harvest (Picture 2 of 2): 6 Gypsy Peppers, 11 Tam Jalapeno Peppers, 18 Sweet Banana Peppers, 3 Hot Jalapeno Peppers, 2 Pimento Peppers, 2 Carmen Peppers, 3 Cubanelle Peppers (these seem to be a hybrid of purple bell peppers and Cubanelle), 7 Anaheim Chile Peppers, and 13 Cayenne Peppers.
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Next year I am going to be making & using some of the big tomato cages that apparently work well for many tomato gardeners. They're the ones that are 5' tall, ~20-22" in diameter, and have a 6"x6" mesh so you can reach through and pull tomatoes. If I buy a 150' roll though (way too much for me) I can make some for anybody here that wants what I have left.
I only grew Roma and they turned out very well (after I initially thought they died). I talked to a guy who said some variety with "giant" in the name grew really well for him.
LSS should have some info on his, he grew a ton of varieties.
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
what tomato verities did good for you this year?
I had great luck with Heatwave, Homestead, Lemon Boy, Better Boy, Big Boy, Beefsteak, and Early Girl...I also did well with a large cherry tomato variety (I don't know their name, I planted them 3 years ago and have had volunteers the last 2 growing seasons)...The Brandywine didn't do very well for me. I only planted one plant and actually did get some tomatoes on the plant, but only about 6.
The Sugary Grape cherry tomato did produce, but the plant didn't do well from early on. The Mountain Pride didn't do well at all...
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LSS, what part of Tx are you in? I am in Mesquite east of Dallas by about 10 miles,lol. I think the early girl did , is doing, best for me. I only did 3 varieties though, early girl, better boy and celebrity. This is the first year I "got serious" with tomatoes. Of the 3 varieties I did 2 of each. I pulled all the suckers from one of each plant and I do not like how they turned out. The plant still produced ok , but the foliage was minimal. I know the goal is to produce produce and not branches and leaves but I dont think I have enough leaves from the pulled sucker plants to support good tomato growth. I think I could of done better if the plants had more leaves on them. I'll save the sucker pulling for plants that are crowded, or maybe try pulling every other sucker. For the most part i am going to leave the suckers from now on.
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
LSS, what part of Tx are you in? I am in Mesquite east of Dallas by about 10 miles,lol. I think the early girl did , is doing, best for me. I only did 3 varieties though, early girl, better boy and celebrity. This is the first year I "got serious" with tomatoes. Of the 3 varieties I did 2 of each. I pulled all the suckers from one of each plant and I do not like how they turned out. The plant still produced ok , but the foliage was minimal. I know the goal is to produce produce and not branches and leaves but I dont think I have enough leaves from the pulled sucker plants to support good tomato growth. I think I could of done better if the plants had more leaves on them. I'll save the sucker pulling for plants that are crowded, or maybe try pulling every other sucker. For the most part i am going to leave the suckers from now on.
I'm down by Lake Whitney in the NE corner of Bosque County...I've always just planted and watered/fertilized the plants. I don't trim them or anything. They need to leaves to help protect the fruit and to promote good production...
I did also do very well with Roma tomatoes...In fact those have done better than anything else I've planted. I've always been told due to the fact we get so hot so fast, the plants that produce the larger fruit won't do well. However, if you plant them early enough and if they are shaded, then they will produce. Also, you must remember to shake them once the flowers are there...
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I've been thinking a lot about shading mine next year. I'm going to grow 2 half-rows of beans in front of them, which should shade them in the evenings. The fence will shade them until about 7-8am. I think that should be enough (if not too much) sun as is.
I am with you guys on the shading but reading on the net I think the plants stop, or slow production because of the temps, nt so much because of sunlight. Never the less, I am going to plant okra or similar in my garden next year that will block the sun from about 3-4pm till sundown.
How are the Heat wave plants doing, should they still be producing more in the middle of summer? TEXAS SUMMERS ARE BRUTAL!!!!
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June 26, 2010 Harvest: 6 Yellow Squash, 2 Carmen Peppers, 5 Cubanelle Peppers, 4 Zucchini Squash, 3 Gypsy Peppers, 1 California Wonder Pepper, 1 Cayenne Pepper, 1 Hot Jalapeno Pepper, 6 Hot Banana Peppers, 5 Anaheim Chile Peppers, 12 Lemon Boy Tomatoes, 1 Watermelon (fell off the vine when I tried to move it so I could pull a squash), 1 Eggplant (... See Morelittle yellow thing. It went from green to yellow, so I pulled it...), 22 Sweet Banana Peppers, 29 Sweet 100 Tomatoes (little cherry tomatoes), 39 Roma Tomatoes, 7 Cucumbers, 17 Large Cherry Tomatoes, 1 Brandywine Tomato, 50 Tomatoes (mixture of Super Fantastic, Homestead, Heatwave, Early Girl, Big Boy and Better Boy)...
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Just finished canning my 7th quart of dill pickles last Friday and there's enough out there now to make another qt in the next day or so (just letting them get a tad bigger). Popped open the first jar last week. I think my boy found a new favorite, he just about wiped out the jar of pickles in a couple of days. He's only 7 yrs old.
Our garden flooded last night and today there are hundreds of these white bugs on the squash plants. Anybody know what they might be? The kind of look like blister bugs, but all white except for a little black on the feet. Some of the squash have started rotting on the plant. Connection?
If so, they are squash bugs and yes, that would be why you're squash is dying on the vine...Water early in the morning, then about 10 minutes later, go out there and put Sevin Dust on them...You can't harvest the squash for a few days, and you'll need to wash it when you do pick it...
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If so, they are squash bugs and yes, that would be why you're squash is dying on the vine...Water early in the morning, then about 10 minutes later, go out there and put Sevin Dust on them...You can't harvest the squash for a few days, and you'll need to wash it when you do pick it...
Yup, that's the critters. I'm gonna kill every last one of them. A few years back I declared war on the ants. It was ANTPOCOLYPSE! Time for SQUASH BUGEDDON!
Id like to know myself. Best I can do is pick the grass when I see it pop up. For starters you could lay some weed guard or black plastic over the area. It should kill the grass thats there all ready. Mulching usually prevents grass from coming up also besides retaining moisture which is also a plus. You dont have to go and get expensive mulch , mulching with wheat straw should do and its about 7-8 dollars a bail.
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ditch witch it down about a foot or so, line it with a thick plastic, cover most of the way with soil, add boards, rocks, etc. (like rail road ties if you can) so that those are partially exposed but mostly buried on top of the plastic liner.
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We have harvested over 75 pounds of tomatoes in the last 6 days. This is the best tomatoes we have grown. we don't have time to can so our friends are eating well. Today we picked close to 50 pounds. It is unbeliveable.
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Don't use railroad ties in a vegetable garden. They can leach creosote into the soil.
never had a problem with them (it's the large scale use and production of them that leads to problems)...just around the border is fine...the amount leached into the soil is insignificant on such a small scale...but don't use them as mulch.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Don't use railroad ties in a vegetable garden. They can leach creosote into the soil.
never had a problem with them (it's the large scale use and production of them that leads to problems)...just around the border is fine...the amount leached into the soil is insignificant on such a small scale...but don't use them as mulch.
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Originally Posted By: Frank I
Todays harvest: huge cucumbers, eggplant,tomatoes regular,grape and Roma and Big Jim New Mexico peppers.....
Very, very nice...I harvested on Saturday and Tuesday. I'm hoping I can harvest again tomorrow...It's awful wet and I hurt my back the last time when I slipped and twisted the wrong way...
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Don't use railroad ties in a vegetable garden. They can leach creosote into the soil.
never had a problem with them (it's the large scale use and production of them that leads to problems)...just around the border is fine...the amount leached into the soil is insignificant on such a small scale...but don't use them as mulch.
Think they'd be safe for raised beds?
probably wouldn't use them on a raised bed just because of the size (may be too concentrated)...large areas only
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Are those Anaheim peppers?
Those are Big Jim New Mexico peppers. Never heard of them before we found 'em at the Wal-Mart over in South lake, figured we'd give them a try this year. Glad we did.....
I have a single MexiBell that is doing wonderfully in my raised bed. My quwstion is,,, when do I harvest the peppers? They are about 3 inches across and about two inches tall..and the plant is loaded...i used humus top soil and tree branches chopped in the bottom of my raised beds and just potting soil on top..also have a little mulch mixed in , but everything is growing great. First time I have ever built a bed from scratch. Put 19 tomatoes in the other end from peppers and blackeyed peas...and I have some Broccoli I have been babying , but overall it worked very well. Thanks in advance for any tips on the peppers...
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I have a single MexiBell that is doing wonderfully in my raised bed. My quwstion is,,, when do I harvest the peppers? They are about 3 inches across and about two inches tall..and the plant is loaded...i used humus top soil and tree branches chopped in the bottom of my raised beds and just potting soil on top..also have a little mulch mixed in , but everything is growing great. First time I have ever built a bed from scratch. Put 19 tomatoes in the other end from peppers and blackeyed peas...and I have some Broccoli I have been babying , but overall it worked very well. Thanks in advance for any tips on the peppers...
I've never grown those, but with the California Wonder bell peppers, I usually pull them at about that size the first couple of times to help spur production...Then I let them grow bigger...
From what I've read about Mexibells, they are supposed to be ready for harvest when they turn red...I usually don't wait for peppers to turn red, but that's just me...
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I know its late , Is it to late for me to plant anything to get started --- Be nice
It's not late...I'll be planting tomatoes for the fall garden in the next couple of weeks...Now would be a good time to start preparing to plant squash, tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, etc. There are two times to plant/harvest, spring and fall...You usually plant a couple of weeks before spring and a couple of months before fall...
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2- grand marconi peppers 8 sweet banana peppers 2 japs 3 okra 3 anaheim 2 small maters squash bugs are getting bad, but I am still getting 1-2 every other day or so. I'm going to try to bust their arse with liquid sevin once it quits raining.
I'm also attempting to clone a tomato plant.. We'll see how that goes, but I am expecting failure.
Time to start thinking about the fall garden and how and what I want for it.
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I tried the cloning just like in the video that was posted here , and even with no root hormone I have been able to do two different plants...those little swell up when you water them peat pots work great...hope yours works well...Thanks for the help on the peppers LSS, I have decided it wasnt as big as I thought and I will give it a few more days...just put out Zuccini, Yellow straight neck , some more Broccoli and another 19 tomatoes that should have been out before now, but they should do good. Have some okra seed on the way too...
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no there's still time to grow about anything that's already been harvested this year (plenty of time till freezes start coming...i don't get a round 2 this year because i'll be moving so i'm just about done for the year
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Anybody ever had any luck controlling Bahaia grass (thank you, A&M ) in the yard ? I'm surrounded by miles of it and although it's a great pasture grass, I kinda get tired of mowing the lawn every other day.
RoundUp will kill it but who wants huge dead patches all summer ?
I need some help trying to find out what is doing this: My Mom in New England planted some pole lima and pole green beans. These have been in the ground for about 3 months. Something is cutting the plants 3-4 inches from the ground. What can cut the plants just like someone is cutting them with a knife. Any ideas? The stock is about the size of a pencil.
Thanks for the info. She went to a local farm in the area and they told her cutworms are active only in the spring. I think it's the cutworms no matter what they say. She ended up wrapping the bottom 6" of the plant stem and no more cutting. Thanks again
Just went and bought a Tiller , Much work ahead of me , I live in Cedar Hill Tx , Very rocky here . I have to start from ground zero here . Wish me luck
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Just went and bought a Tiller , Much work ahead of me , I live in Cedar Hill Tx , Very rocky here . I have to start from ground zero here . Wish me luck
good luck.. I cheated and built above ground beds. The Acme Brick plant is here for a reason. South Denton clay is like concrete in the summer.
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Question to all the gardening Gurus --- To keep cost down , I would like to plant from seeds if possible what do you recommend
I'd probably stay away from growing peppers and tomatoes from seeds...I'd plant squash, cucumbers, watermelon or cantaloupe seeds...I'd get pepper and tomato plants from a local nursery or small hardware store...Most sell 4 packs for $1.50 or less...
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Hey everyone.. I have been trying to find some plants to put outside of my apartment in a plant box I'm going to attach to the balcony railing.. It will get a LOT of sun, and I'm very forgetful at times when it comes to watering regularly.
Any advice on something that wont die, wont grow all over the place, and does not need a lot of love?
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Took the family to a community garden at Our Saviour Church off Jim Miller and Hwy 175. This was a really nice one with chickens and all, but was most impressed with these tomatoes 12' tall!! Don't know exactly what the jugs of water do? they had no holes.
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Hey everyone.. I have been trying to find some plants to put outside of my apartment in a plant box I'm going to attach to the balcony railing.. It will get a LOT of sun, and I'm very forgetful at times when it comes to watering regularly.
Any advice on something that wont die, wont grow all over the place, and does not need a lot of love?
Bag of miracle grow soil, vermiculite and perlite, to help keep aerated and retain moisture. Something with a woody stem will be a hardy plant and might do better . With a little love and care most anything will do.
Okay guys , I think I am done tillin ,Everything is comin up like powder behind tiller, I tilled racked grass, tilled and cleared grass rock whatever for the last 6 hours . Fixin to lay borders, and Figure out compost bin--Any other suggestions??
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Hey everyone.. I have been trying to find some plants to put outside of my apartment in a plant box I'm going to attach to the balcony railing.. It will get a LOT of sun, and I'm very forgetful at times when it comes to watering regularly.
Any advice on something that wont die, wont grow all over the place, and does not need a lot of love?
There's a product called "Soil Moist" at Lowe's. It's a polymer that absorbs water then releases it as the plant's needs dictate. Don't use too much. It'll swell up and push your plants out of the ground. You're gonna have to water until the plants get established but portulaca (rose moss) , cacti and succulents like "hen and chicks" will all do well with minimal watering.
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Just finished canning my first pickles. Tomorrow's agenda includes blackberry jelly and salsa. One bad thing , though, my serranos aren't hot this year. What's the deal ? Are they breeding a "heatless" serrano now or have I finally burned out my pain receptors ?
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Just finished canning my first pickles. Tomorrow's agenda includes blackberry jelly and salsa. One bad thing , though, my serranos aren't hot this year. What's the deal ? Are they breeding a "heatless" serrano now or have I finally burned out my pain receptors ?
I don't know...I haven't eaten any yet...My uncle has said the same thing about the cayenne peppers...Neither his nor the ones I grew taste 'right' according to him...
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Just finished canning my first pickles. Tomorrow's agenda includes blackberry jelly and salsa. One bad thing , though, my serranos aren't hot this year. What's the deal ? Are they breeding a "heatless" serrano now or have I finally burned out my pain receptors ?
I don't know...I haven't eaten any yet...My uncle has said the same thing about the cayenne peppers...Neither his nor the ones I grew taste 'right' according to him...
I remember reading somewhere that different pepper varieties can cross pollinate; meaning that if you grow jalapenos next to say... sweet banana peppers, and they happen to cross pollinate, you can have milder jalapenos and/or hotter banana peppers. But unless you have trained pollinators, it is difficult to control the result.
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supposedly it's all organic. Not sure what kind of corn, but it was about 3x the size of mine. I was thinking maybe early in the season they put plastic around the whole cage to make a mini greenhouse and then they just leave them there?
supposedly it's all organic. Not sure what kind of corn, but it was about 3x the size of mine. I was thinking maybe early in the season they put plastic around the whole cage to make a mini greenhouse and then they just leave them there?
I still have 2 acres to mow and weedeat and the Hill of **** is only half mowed...So it can rain tomorrow...
I just through down some Nitrogen rich fertilizer and a layer of wheat straw over that. Hopefully with all this rain I can get more green growth to help push me through the hottest summer months. Come on rain......
supposedly it's all organic. Not sure what kind of corn, but it was about 3x the size of mine. I was thinking maybe early in the season they put plastic around the whole cage to make a mini greenhouse and then they just leave them there?
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Okra. I've only got two plants this year as an experiment to see if it'll grow. Anyway, when they start producing, what's the best way to store them until I get enough for a meal?
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Okra. I've only got two plants this year as an experiment to see if it'll grow. Anyway, when they start producing, what's the best way to store them until I get enough for a meal?
Wash them and then freeze them...You can also boil them for about three minutes and then freeze them...Either way will work...
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Been a while since I last posted, mainly due to the frustrating loss of my battle with stink bugs. Had a late crop of tomatoes, lots of production, sure hope the #!@% stink bugs enjoyed them. Squash continues to bloom, not a single piece of squash to date. There are some winners in the garden, apparently stink bugs prefer tomatoes to cucumbers, green beans, and peppers. Just discovered that the habaneros that had long since been written off are producing quite handily. What do you guys use the habanero's for. I'm a chilie head, but my past experiences with these have been just short of apocolyptic.
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Been a while since I last posted, mainly due to the frustrating loss of my battle with stink bugs. Had a late crop of tomatoes, lots of production, sure hope the #!@% stink bugs enjoyed them. Squash continues to bloom, not a single piece of squash to date. There are some winners in the garden, apparently stink bugs prefer tomatoes to cucumbers, green beans, and peppers. Just discovered that the habaneros that had long since been written off are producing quite handily. What do you guys use the habanero's for. I'm a chilie head, but my past experiences with these have been just short of apocolyptic.
I like eating them raw with a little salt and lemon but I know that isn't for everybody. Pickeling them takes some of the heat out or you can fry them mixed with onions and hamburger meat for tacos. They make good salsa as well, just adjust the amount according to your pain tolerance.
Been a while since I last posted, mainly due to the frustrating loss of my battle with stink bugs. Had a late crop of tomatoes, lots of production, sure hope the #!@% stink bugs enjoyed them. Squash continues to bloom, not a single piece of squash to date. There are some winners in the garden, apparently stink bugs prefer tomatoes to cucumbers, green beans, and peppers. Just discovered that the habaneros that had long since been written off are producing quite handily. What do you guys use the habanero's for. I'm a chilie head, but my past experiences with these have been just short of apocolyptic.
If your using seven dust you will have to manually pollinate. Sevin Dust kill everything including your beneficial bugs like bees which are needed to pollinated your squash blooms.
Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).
Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.
I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.
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Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).
Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.
I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.
When I was growing it, I would grow it in blocks of either 4 or 6 rows, depending on the variety (I like some more than others). The rows were spaced 24" to 32" and were typically 25 feet long...
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Alright. And I assume it did pretty well for you? That's about how I have it mapped out right now: 3 rows, 25' long, spaced 24" apart.
You're better off doing it with an even number of rows (don't ask me why, I'm not sure, it's just what worked for me)...Yes, I would usually get a couple thousand ears of corn...One more reason I no longer have a 10,000 square foot garden...Corn plants aren't like most vegetable plants and you can space the seeds 3 to 6 inches apart and they will do fine...
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Cool. Yea, I have seen them spaced over a foot and seen them spaced 6", and the closer spacing always seems to do better, because they don't blow over, and they pollinate better. I spaced mine 8" apart this year, but will probably do closer next year.
Have not had the need to use any sort of pest control on the squash, and it is in a separate bed removed from the rest of the garden. Pollination seems to be the problem though. I've never had to manually pollinate before but that may be what is required. These plants get full sun from first light till around 3 o'clock. Have'nt seen any squash bugs. Can't see what else would cause poor production. Healthiest squash PLANTS I've ever had. I'll have to man up and try the lemon and salt Siberman. Will get back to ya!
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Originally Posted By: sputterfuss
Have not had the need to use any sort of pest control on the squash, and it is in a separate bed removed from the rest of the garden. Pollination seems to be the problem though. I've never had to manually pollinate before but that may be what is required. These plants get full sun from first light till around 3 o'clock. Have'nt seen any squash bugs. Can't see what else would cause poor production. Healthiest squash PLANTS I've ever had. I'll have to man up and try the lemon and salt Siberman. Will get back to ya!
Are they only producing male flowers?
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Have not had the need to use any sort of pest control on the squash, and it is in a separate bed removed from the rest of the garden. Pollination seems to be the problem though. I've never had to manually pollinate before but that may be what is required. These plants get full sun from first light till around 3 o'clock. Have'nt seen any squash bugs. Can't see what else would cause poor production. Healthiest squash PLANTS I've ever had. I'll have to man up and try the lemon and salt Siberman. Will get back to ya!
Wow , habeneros lemon and salt. Might be ok going down but coming out is what worries me. I stopped growing habeneros they were just to hot to enjoy with anything. I make hot sauce with them and only use 1 pepper which kind of defeats the use of peppers in sauce for me. I like the texture you get from the peppers skin in sauce. With Habeneros the hot is there but no texture since I only used 1 pepper. How far are your squash from the other plants? If there close and you have dusted like crazy to get rid of the squash bugs it would still kill bees in the whole area. I have been using Neem Oil this year, last year I had to kill entire garden because of squash bugs. It does not effect bees either. This year I have had one squash bug . Neem oil will not kill them on contact but will repel them when they come to your garden to eat. But for now you will have to manually pollinate. Unless , you got some weird strain with male flowers only.
Have not used Sevin at all. Did have a go round with Malathion for stink bugs waaay before harvest. Funny thing is cucumbers growing into the tomatoes now, are having no problems w/ pollination. Saw some disscusion about male blooms on squash awhile back, guess I'll ask...how is a male squash bloom different from any other. I thought the flower had both male and female parts.
How old are they? Younger plants will produce males until it matures then it will start to produce females. the female has a little squash behind the flower the male has a stem behind the flower. You will see what looks like a squash starting to grow (female) but if it does not get pollinated it will die and fall off at about 2 inches. It is a little off that cucumbers are fine and squash is not producing. Have you seen any other pest on your squash? I had cucumber beetles eating the insides of the blooms last year also.
Squash was planted in April. I've seen both types of blooms, nothing ever comes of the females. Have never noticed any insects, particulary in the blooms. The plants are about to succumb to squash vine borers, in the past seasons that has happened long after a successfull harvest. Most of the plants are still healthy, but the damage is evident. Probably one for the books at this point. Tried the habanero! Fresh, no lemon or salt. Kinda lazy today. I was careful to avoid the seeds. Did'nt send me into orbit. Still prefer a good serrano.
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Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).
Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.
I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.
Pick your corn when the silk turns brown.
I learned a few things from some "south of the border" friends about corn. Try planting in 12' x 12' blocks with 1' spacing between plants and rows. The roots will grow together and help support the plants. Pollination will be easier and the plants will shade out weeds. You can also plant climbing beans or Morning Glory around the corn stalks to aid with nitrogen ( make sure you really want Morning Glory before you plant it ). Squash and pumpkin vines growing around the base of your corn will discourage raccoons.
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Tried the habanero! Fresh, no lemon or salt. Kinda lazy today. I was careful to avoid the seeds. Did'nt send me into orbit. Still prefer a good serrano.
Squash was planted in April. I've seen both types of blooms, nothing ever comes of the females. Have never noticed any insects, particulary in the blooms. The plants are about to succumb to squash vine borers, in the past seasons that has happened long after a successfull harvest. Most of the plants are still healthy, but the damage is evident. Probably one for the books at this point. Tried the habanero! Fresh, no lemon or salt. Kinda lazy today. I was careful to avoid the seeds. Did'nt send me into orbit. Still prefer a good serrano.
If you have seen both then they are not getting pollinated and you will have to manually polinate. I posted a vid from you tube a while back I see if I can find it. The bee population from what I have read is declining and it could be you just dont have them in the area.
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Wow , habeneros lemon and salt. Might be ok going down but coming out is what worries me. I stopped growing habeneros they were just to hot to enjoy with anything.
Wuss.
I make hot sauce with them and only use 1 pepper which kind of defeats the use of peppers in sauce for me. I like the texture you get from the peppers skin in sauce. With Habeneros the hot is there but no texture since I only used 1 pepper.
Don't skin/ core your tomatoes and use the green part of the onions as well as the cilantro stems.
You are right about the tomatoes they do have the male and female parts in each blossom. Squash is a little different.I have done it like this.
The Flower-to-Flower Technique
This is one pollinating technique where no tools are necessary; all that's needed are the flowers themselves. To hand-pollinate using the flower to flower technique, a male flower is picked off a vine. The petals should be gently pulled off and the middle part of the flower (stamen) should be rubbed all over the female flower’s middle part (pistil). The flower is now pollinated.
Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).
Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.
I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.
Pick your corn when the silk turns brown.
I learned a few things from some "south of the border" friends about corn. Try planting in 12' x 12' blocks with 1' spacing between plants and rows. The roots will grow together and help support the plants. Pollination will be easier and the plants will shade out weeds. You can also plant climbing beans or Morning Glory around the corn stalks to aid with nitrogen ( make sure you really want Morning Glory before you plant it ). Squash and pumpkin vines growing around the base of your corn will discourage raccoons.
Be sure to plant plenty of fish heads.
on the fish heads! I just got a new free cast net, and will hopefully be pulling them in, in the spring.
Man I've got a lot of carp to add to the soil. Literally and figuratively.
Any of you guys grow corn? My corn should be "done" in 10 days (at 95 days right now).
Next year I'll be growing ~75-185 corn plants. I know how far to space them in the row, but I'm not sure how far I should space the rows apart. I have heard from many people that you want to plant them in a "block" so the pollination rate is better.
I've got a 6' x 75' block of the garden sectioned out for corn.
Pick your corn when the silk turns brown.
I learned a few things from some "south of the border" friends about corn. Try planting in 12' x 12' blocks with 1' spacing between plants and rows. The roots will grow together and help support the plants. Pollination will be easier and the plants will shade out weeds. You can also plant climbing beans or Morning Glory around the corn stalks to aid with nitrogen ( make sure you really want Morning Glory before you plant it ). Squash and pumpkin vines growing around the base of your corn will discourage raccoons.
Be sure to plant plenty of fish heads.
on the fish heads! I just got a new free cast net, and will hopefully be pulling them in, in the spring.
Man I've got a lot of carp to add to the soil. Literally and figuratively.
I need some help with the weeds in my garden. How are people controlling them? I am going to start from scratch after this planting season. Thanks for the help.
My peppers are still green...guess I am glad I didn't pull them last week...going to wait another few days and see if I get any color....anybody make anything special with Mexi-Bells? Or just use them to cook normal bell pepper dishes ? Just curious...
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I usually just walk around and pull them when I see them pop up. You could mulch which will block the weeds from growing and retain moisture in your soil during our hot months. I just bought some wheat straw as mulch it does not affect ph and will not absorb nutrients sprayed on garden like wood will. Also at the end of the season you can till it into the soil for next year. Wheat straw is 7 dollars a bail at the feed store. You can also try this http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/VinegarKillsWeeds.html . You might be able to use what you have at home if not I have seen the garden grade vinegar at lowes.
Gonzz I've got a bale of wheat straw if you want to buy it for a few bucks. I'm not too far from you. Might be cheaper to just buy it from a feed store, though.
WOOO HOOOO that past week of rain and cool weather did great in the garden. I had some maters that got so juiced up they popped,lol. I love when it rains you can see plants grow a few inches in hours. Just did a lot of trimming and cutting off older growth.
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WOOO HOOOO that past week of rain and cool weather did great in the garden. I had some maters that got so juiced up they popped,lol. I love when it rains you can see plants grow a few inches in hours. Just did a lot of trimming and cutting off older growth.
Love what it did for the garden but the bahaia grass grew about 2 feet.
WOOO HOOOO that past week of rain and cool weather did great in the garden. I had some maters that got so juiced up they popped,lol. I love when it rains you can see plants grow a few inches in hours. Just did a lot of trimming and cutting off older growth.
Love what it did for the garden but the bahaia grass grew about 2 feet.
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The rain did wonders for mine too.. Actually got a few new fruits showing up on the maters. Had uproot a squash plant today though, as it had got wiped out by friggin rollie polleys. bastages didn't like the 1/2 gallon of sevin I just sprayed on them though.
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The rain did wonders for mine too.. Actually got a few new fruits showing up on the maters. Had uproot a squash plant today though, as it had got wiped out by friggin rollie polleys. bastages didn't like the 1/2 gallon of sevin I just sprayed on them though.
Will be canning my 10th quart of pickles tonight. Almost starting to look like my Grandmas ole pantry (not really, she had a 6x10 ft pantry with shelves and stocked to the ceiling with all varieties of stuff). By the looks of things, there will be another quarts worth of cukes ready by Thur or Fri. It's been fun!
No idea what I did wrong on the cucumbers. I didn't get any. Lots of vines and flowers, and I went and gave the flowers a little "shake" every few days, but only 3 cucs or so, and they shriveled up and died. One had pillbugs in it. Stupid pillbugs...
Sorry, I can't help with any ideas on what could have gone wrong. This was my first time to mess with cukes but they have grown like crazy and produced a lot so far considering I only have them planted in those big black tree buckets/tubs with about 5 plants per bucket. I built a little trellace(sp) for them to climb on and they are now about 5 ft tall and spread out. My jalapenos have been a disappointment this year though. They are making fine, but they have no heat to them at all. You can eat them like bell peppers, lol. Not even hot enough to make hot sauce. My bell peppers have done very good too, green, red, yellow and purple (first time I had seen that variety so I was a little surprised when they showed up).
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Sorry, I can't help with any ideas on what could have gone wrong. This was my first time to mess with cukes but they have grown like crazy and produced a lot so far considering I only have them planted in those big black tree buckets/tubs with about 5 plants per bucket. I built a little trellace(sp) for them to climb on and they are now about 5 ft tall and spread out. My jalapenos have been a disappointment this year though. They are making fine, but they have no heat to them at all. You can eat them like bell peppers, lol. Not even hot enough to make hot sauce. My bell peppers have done very good too, green, red, yellow and purple (first time I had seen that variety so I was a little surprised when they showed up).
Those tubs probably keep the bugs from climbing up onto the plants. I've got some plastic whiskey barrel liners that I was gonna use this year but never got around to it. Don't feel by yourself on the peppers. I haven't had a hot thai or serrano yet. My habs were rabbit-chewed but they're making a comeback. I'm hoping the hot weather will help the situation. Are you sure you didn't plant TAM (heatless) jalapenos ?
According to the label, they are supposed to be hot. Can't see a purpose in planting any that aren't! But then again, those little plants get all moved around and sometimes you're not sure what you end up taking home (I didn't plant from seed on the jalapenos). That's how I ended up with purple bell peppers too! lol All I had planned on growing was red and yellow but ended up with 4 different colors. I guess someone moved them around at the store too..
Oh, and I had a similar issue with the jalapenos last year. They all started out mild or no heat but after the temps got up, they ended up getting hotter and hotter. So I will let them ride along and keep taste testing.
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
No idea what I did wrong on the cucumbers. I didn't get any. Lots of vines and flowers, and I went and gave the flowers a little "shake" every few days, but only 3 cucs or so, and they shriveled up and died. One had pillbugs in it. Stupid pillbugs...
Cucumbers, unlike tomatoes and peppers, don't need a shake or spanking...There are male and female flowers on a cucumber plant. If the bees don't pollinate the female flowers on the small cucumbers, they wilt and die...You can take a small paint brush (like for water colors) and dip it into the male flower (on a stem without a cucumber) and then take the pollen and put it in the female flower...
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Will be canning my 10th quart of pickles tonight. Almost starting to look like my Grandmas ole pantry (not really, she had a 6x10 ft pantry with shelves and stocked to the ceiling with all varieties of stuff). By the looks of things, there will be another quarts worth of cukes ready by Thur or Fri. It's been fun!
Whats needed to can? I have some cucumbers (regular size) and a bunch of peppers I would like to pickle. Is there a seasoning kit?
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I'd like to learn how to do this too. It would be for peppers only as my cucumbers were non existent this year.. I too got a big fat ZERO. I've had 4 plants that were 3 ft tall and stretched along for about 10'. Had bees working the garden, but no cukes.
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Go to Wal-Mart and look for the "Ball Blue Book of Preserving" or : Try Here .
I can peppers by washing them, packing them in hot jars with garlic/onion/sage/whatever then covering them with boiling vinegar. Screw the (hot) lids and caps on and let 'em cool overnight. After they've cooled down, press on the lids to make sure they're air-tight. If the lid doesn't pop back up they're sealed. If it does, put 'em in the refrigerator ASAP.
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Go to Wal-Mart and look for the "Ball Blue Book of Preserving" or : Try Here .
I can peppers by washing them, packing them in hot jars with garlic/onion/sage/whatever then covering them with boiling vinegar. Screw the (hot) lids and caps on and let 'em cool overnight. After they've cooled down, press on the lids to make sure they're air-tight. If the lid doesn't pop back up they're sealed. If it does, put 'em in the refrigerator ASAP.
thought that book said "Blue Ball....."
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Don't give up on your peppers just yet. Mine usually do their best after the summer heat. Last year I was picking jalapenos and tobascos well into November....
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You can also self pollinate the cukes with a q-tip. I've been doing this on top of the bees doing their thing. i've noticed the bees are there in the mornings and I pollinate at night.
As for the peppers, I also got 'hot' jalapenos and they are freakin HOT! but I like torturing myself
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This is my Grandmas recipe and it's what I use as well. For canning pickles, I use 10% vinegar (hard to find in the DFW area so my Mom bought me a gallon where she lives). I guess you can use 5% but change the ratio of water to vinegar to 2 qts water and 2 qts 5% vinegar. Anyway, it calls for 3 qts water, 1 qt 10% vinegar and 1 cup pickling salt. Put in a big pot to boil until the salt is dissolved. Pick your cukes, wash really good to get any little "spines" off. Get qt jar (sterilize if it's been used before). Put a head of dill in the bottom (dill weed/seed works okay too but be sure to put plenty), 1 garlic clove and a few peppercorns (I use 5 or 6). You can adjust the amount of garlic or pepper to see what you like best. Now stuff the cukes into the jar as tightly as possible till full, just below the neck of the jar. Spoon in 1 teaspoon of sugar (you can put 2 if you like them a tad sweeter) but you need to add some as it aids in making the pickles crunchy. Now fill the jar to the bottom of the neck with the water/vinegar solution. Put the lid on loosely. Have a bigger pot with boiling water ready to go and place the jar into that pot making sure it's at least halfway up the jar. Allow this to sit in the boil, water boiling for approx 15 minutes. You will see the cukes begin to change color and little air bubbles rise to the top. After 15 minutes, use a good towel or pot holder and remove the jar to the counter top. Tighten the lid down as tight as you can, I use those rubber lid removers because they aid in getting a grip on it plus the lids are usually hot by now. The lid will have a little "nipple" in the center, sticking up slightly. Usually the jar will seal and "burp" within 30 minutes but sometimes longer. You can always tell if it sealed properly because the little nipple I mentioned will be gone and the lid will be slightly sunken in. Let this sit on the shelf for about 30 days to get the flavors all happy. Then enjoy.
Once you gallon of the water/vinegar/salt mixture cools, I put it into a big gallon jug and refrigerate so that next time I have a mess of cukes ready for pickling, my mixture is ready to go. No need to boil it again before filling the jar. Just pour it on top of a jar full of cukes and complete 15 minute boiling process. This really speeds up the process on the next go around, especially if you're getting home from work and need to make a quick quart or 2.
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"thought that book said "Blue Ball....." "
Nah. I'm gonna leave that one alone.
It's a good book , though. My family skipped a generation in the food preservation area. (Born in 1960 when refridgeration became the norm.) I remember my grands putting up all sorts of stuff . My granddaddy raised/slaughtered/smoked his own pork , chickens, acres of veggies, etc.
You ain't lived until you've had a thick slice of real no-preservatives-allowed ham with eggs , churned butter on top of home made biscuits and peach preserves on the side for breakfast , son!
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This is my Grandmas recipe and it's what I use as well. For canning pickles, I use 10% vinegar (hard to find in the DFW area so my Mom bought me a gallon where she lives). I guess you can use 5% but change the ratio of water to vinegar to 2 qts water and 2 qts 5% vinegar. Anyway, it calls for 3 qts water, 1 qt 10% vinegar and 1 cup pickling salt. Put in a big pot to boil until the salt is dissolved. Pick your cukes, wash really good to get any little "spines" off. Get qt jar (sterilize if it's been used before). Put a head of dill in the bottom (dill weed/seed works okay too but be sure to put plenty), 1 garlic clove and a few peppercorns (I use 5 or 6). You can adjust the amount of garlic or pepper to see what you like best. Now stuff the cukes into the jar as tightly as possible till full, just below the neck of the jar. Spoon in 1 teaspoon of sugar (you can put 2 if you like them a tad sweeter) but you need to add some as it aids in making the pickles crunchy. Now fill the jar to the bottom of the neck with the water/vinegar solution. Put the lid on loosely. Have a bigger pot with boiling water ready to go and place the jar into that pot making sure it's at least halfway up the jar. Allow this to sit in the boil, water boiling for approx 15 minutes. You will see the cukes begin to change color and little air bubbles rise to the top. After 15 minutes, use a good towel or pot holder and remove the jar to the counter top. Tighten the lid down as tight as you can, I use those rubber lid removers because they aid in getting a grip on it plus the lids are usually hot by now. The lid will have a little "nipple" in the center, sticking up slightly. Usually the jar will seal and "burp" within 30 minutes but sometimes longer. You can always tell if it sealed properly because the little nipple I mentioned will be gone and the lid will be slightly sunken in. Let this sit on the shelf for about 30 days to get the flavors all happy. Then enjoy.
Once you gallon of the water/vinegar/salt mixture cools, I put it into a big gallon jug and refrigerate so that next time I have a mess of cukes ready for pickling, my mixture is ready to go. No need to boil it again before filling the jar. Just pour it on top of a jar full of cukes and complete 15 minute boiling process. This really speeds up the process on the next go around, especially if you're getting home from work and need to make a quick quart or 2.
Do you use a rack on the bottom of the boiling water pot ? I've always heard it was best to so the jars won't break from the heat.
I don't use a rack but I guess it would be fine. This is sort of old school canning I guess and Granny didn't have the best of the best on the farm so they made do with what they had. But I also put the jars in before the water starts boiling so they can come up to temp a little if I use the vinegar mixture right out of the fridge (cold). If you want to heat the mixture up before putting it in the jars, then you are basically heating the jar up (tempering) so it wouldn't matter. Maybe I've just been lucky though but I did finish my 10th qt on Tuesday and none have caused any problems. If you want to spend a little extra money, I beleive they actually make a little canning "system" that has a rack, pot and even some fancy tongs to put the jars in and remove them. Since my garden is small and I'm only canning 1 or 2 jars at a time, I didn't see the need for it. If you have a bigger garden and end up canning a lot at one time, I would invest in it since you can boil multiple qts at once.
I think my beds have too much nitrogen. Tomatoes and squash are huge and leafy but hardly bearing any flowers. I use lots of compost which I think is too high in nitrogen, not enough carbon. Anyone have suggestions for a remedy?
I think my beds have too much nitrogen. Tomatoes and squash are huge and leafy but hardly bearing any flowers. I use lots of compost which I think is too high in nitrogen, not enough carbon. Anyone have suggestions for a remedy?
What are you using for fertilizers now?
When was the last time you applied nitrogen? Nitrogen dissapears very quickly in the soil ,are you using organic or chemical? For flowers you need to concentrate on the middle of the 3 NPK levels. Phosphorous, the second number is what makes your plants bloom. Nitrogen the first is for as you know foliage growth. Eliminate all nitrogen ferts and concentrate on the second number. Example 0-10-6,(example only). APPLY NITROGEN ONLY WHEN YOU SEE LOWER LEAVES START TO YELLOW, THE PLANT WILL TELL YOU WHEN IT NEEDS NITROGEN. When plants get mature I usually try and concentrate in the second number adding nitrogen when needed , or at lower levels then the other 2. Too much nitrogen will keep plants growing foliage instead of veggies, and I want veggies not green leaves,lol. Its a balance, with too much nitrogen you end up feeding/growing/supporting the lush green foliage instead of supporting the veggies. You do as your example, grow plants and not veggies. Some just run a even number of the three npk levels which will work also 30-30-30.
trying anything with a higher middle number will work. feeding with some thing like 4-10-6 will work fine also , just keep the first number(nitrogen) down.
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I don't use a rack but I guess it would be fine. This is sort of old school canning I guess and Granny didn't have the best of the best on the farm so they made do with what they had. But I also put the jars in before the water starts boiling so they can come up to temp a little if I use the vinegar mixture right out of the fridge (cold). If you want to heat the mixture up before putting it in the jars, then you are basically heating the jar up (tempering) so it wouldn't matter. Maybe I've just been lucky though but I did finish my 10th qt on Tuesday and none have caused any problems. If you want to spend a liBut I also put the jars in before the water starts boiling so they can come up to temp a little ttle extra money, I beleive they actually make a little canning "system" that has a rack, pot and even some fancy tongs to put the jars in and remove them. Since my garden is small and I'm only canning 1 or 2 jars at a time, I didn't see the need for it. If you have a bigger garden and end up canning a lot at one time, I would invest in it since you can boil multiple qts at once.
I use racks since my water bath and pressure cooker came with them and I remember grandmom using them when she pressure-cooked jars of green beans. This : "But I also put the jars in before the water starts boiling so they can come up to temp a little " makes a lot of sense , though. I'll try a bare bottom water bath next time. I'm tired of trying to balance all those pint jars on a rack.
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It appears as though my previous statement concerning high heat indexes' effect on the heat level of chili peppers was correct. I just went out and harvested a double-handfull of thais and pequins.
Horned tomato worms are now out.. I got one the other day, and 6 just now.. those things will eat up a plant in no time.
What's the best way to get rid of them? Just sprayed a bunch of liquid Sevin on the plants..
I am about to clone what I have in the ground now anyway, and pull the big plants, if there's anything left worth cloning.
Liquid sevin should take care of them if not try Thruicide (organic) to kill them. Let the birds do what they do and they will take care of them also. I am having problelm with grasshoppers but I am shooting them off with a bb gun,lol. Probly the most important thing to cloning is to make sure the soil around them stays moist at all times. You could start them in a tray the sell at wally world for starting plants. I believe it has 20 or so plugs . If not this route just make sure the soil stays moist around them. Also dont leave to much leaves on your clones. The plant will stress much more trying to feed the leaves instead of growing roots. If you fertilize you could use a lower first number NPK fert(example only,4-8-6). The second number helps in root and flowering growth. Also , dont kill/pull your existing plants trim them down to a couple feet 2-3 feet(leave some foliage) and in a few days you should see some new shoots coming up from gound level. You will be way ahead of the game with these since the root system has allready established it self. With this stick with a higher first number nutrient ,since your looking for lush plant growth.
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I pick 'em off and feed 'em to my chickens. Don't know if this has been discussed here but if you see a hornworm with small white cocoons on it , leave it alone. They're from a parasitic wasp that'll help control the population of caterpillars.
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[color:#000099] It appears as though my previous statement concerning high heat indexes' effect on the heat level of chili peppers was correct. I just went out and harvested a double-handfull of thais and pequins.
My peppers typically do better in the fall. Last year I was plucking tobascos and jalapenos until November. Having a good crop so far this year.
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Man those vine borers are bad! They killed all my original squash and now they've taken hold of my second round of squash. I think I got to em early enough but man, I love squash and they are really pissin me off! Are there any varieties of squash that are resistant?
Pickling cukes are going mad.
I have a celebrity tomato plant and every tomato it puts off cracks like crazy when it starts to turn.
Any advice on the SVBs and the cracking tomatoes?
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Man those vine borers are bad! They killed all my original squash and now they've taken hold of my second round of squash. I think I got to em early enough but man, I love squash and they are really pissin me off! Are there any varieties of squash that are resistant?
Pickling cukes are going mad.
I have a celebrity tomato plant and every tomato it puts off cracks like crazy when it starts to turn.
Any advice on the SVBs and the cracking tomatoes?
I have the same issues with celebrities also. I will not grow them next year, just didnt like them overall. I believe its due to irregular waterings also. A dry spell then a heavy shower all of a sudden ,like we have been having, will cause them to crack. You can still eat them. Mulching will also help to keep the soil consistently moist.
I had to replant my squash also and have seen the adult moth to the svb buzzin around the squash. Kill the moth if possible, I sprayed the base of the plant with thuricide. Its a organic worm killer. Check the base of the plant for very small disc shaped eggs on the base. If you find one pull it off, dont throw it into the soil. If you miss one the thuricide should kill it when it hatches and tries to burrow in the stem. I also used some hay and pilled it up at the base to hopefully block access the the moth so she cant get in there to lay eggs. It seems to be working. I read some have wrapped the base of the squash plant with tin foil. Another thing I learned also, give the plants a hard spray of water every now and then. Dont kill the plant with the water spray. What you want to do is knock off the any bugs from your plants. Concentrate the water on the stem and branches and under leaves.
Well, I finally after watching my Mexi Bells turn a really nice chocolate brown , cut them and brought them in. After two days the brown turned to the most nrilliant red. Question: they are about half the size they are suppose to be according to the tags with it and what I have read..so do I need miracle grow? or should I just enjoy my lil peppers?
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I use the granulated miracle grow , mix it up in my watering can and do it according to the package schedule,,, we will see if it helps me , have only been doing it for two applications but I hope , cuz Hubby really lookin forward to those mater's
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This mornings harves: mucho habaneros,Japanese eggplants,jalapenos cucumbers and a nice cantelope. Many more cantelopes just starting to get the netting.....
Eggplant cut thin, dipped in egg yolks and then rolled in cracker crumbs. Fried in crisco. Served hot with a liberal amount of butter melted over the top.
Just doesn't get any better than these two.\!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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There was one last year too
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Looks great, Frank...I haven't photographed my harvests lately, but I'm still getting a ton of peppers and cucumbers...My tomato plants are somewhat trying to make a comeback. Looks like I might only have to replant 20 or so...
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I am having problems with ants and grasshoppers in the garden. This stuff is supposed to kill all crawlies in the garden and be organic. It looks like seven and goes on like seven but is 4lbs for l2 dollars. I guess the cost is the same as seven.Its supposed to be like glass and get in their crevices and cut them up.
Whats have you guys used besides sevin to get rid of grasshoppers and ants? I know most ants in the garden are harmless unless the are herding aphids and eating my okra like they are.
In laws live in recharge zone in Edwards Aquifer, and they can pnly use this product. They have very good luck with it, and I have used it in the past, and it does the job for sure. Hope you get rid of those aphids..I had too wasn't an easy task...
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In laws live in recharge zone in Edwards Aquifer, and they can pnly use this product. They have very good luck with it, and I have used it in the past, and it does the job for sure. Hope you get rid of those aphids..I had too wasn't an easy task...
Ants were gone 10 minutes after I put it on the okra. Now if they can just stay gone...
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Originally Posted By: curvytxfish
In laws live in recharge zone in Edwards Aquifer, and they can pnly use this product. They have very good luck with it, and I have used it in the past, and it does the job for sure. Hope you get rid of those aphids..I had too wasn't an easy task...
Ants were gone 10 minutes after I put it on the okra. Now if they can just stay gone...
I've noticed ants on my okra as well. I haven't noticed any distress, markings, holes or otherwise on the okra. Are they harmful to the plant?
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Originally Posted By: curvytxfish
In laws live in recharge zone in Edwards Aquifer, and they can pnly use this product. They have very good luck with it, and I have used it in the past, and it does the job for sure. Hope you get rid of those aphids..I had too wasn't an easy task...
Ants were gone 10 minutes after I put it on the okra. Now if they can just stay gone...
I've noticed ants on my okra as well. I haven't noticed any distress, markings, holes or otherwise on the okra. Are they harmful to the plant?
I've never had them do much damage, but they have gotten to a couple of pieces of okra before...Grasshoppers and other pests seem to do the most damage...
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In laws live in recharge zone in Edwards Aquifer, and they can pnly use this product. They have very good luck with it, and I have used it in the past, and it does the job for sure. Hope you get rid of those aphids..I had too wasn't an easy task...
Ants were gone 10 minutes after I put it on the okra. Now if they can just stay gone...
I've noticed ants on my okra as well. I haven't noticed any distress, markings, holes or otherwise on the okra. Are they harmful to the plant?
The ants on the okra are a different species than the ones that are farming the aphids. The Okra ants are bigger and I believe they are carpenter ants. They are only getting a few okra true so I am not overly concerned with these but they have covered 2-3 okra and are eating it. Not a big problem with okra as fast as it produces. The other ants ,smaller and black, on the other hand are NOT eating none of the plants what they do is move aphids to good eating spots and let them get their fill then go in and feed on the aphids. Once the ants are done feeding they will move the aphids to another good spot and do the same. So I have been trying to kill the aphids and do about a 98% kill on the aphids but the ants take the live ones and start them back up again. Dang smart ants,lol..... Ants (depending on species)in the garden are not a bad thing if you have everything in check , they will actually eat bugs that fall of your plants and are responsible for other beneficial things. I did not catch the aphids soon enough so I am going to get rid of the ants at this point. Plus this DT earth stuff should work for other pest like grass hoppers also. I let you guys know how the stuff works in a few days.
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
The ants on the okra are a different species than the ones that are farming the aphids. The Okra ants are bigger and I believe they are carpenter ants.
Do they have red heads/bodies with black tails? That's what I call carpenters and they'll get in the wood frame of your house if you're not careful.
Plus this DT earth stuff should work for other pest like grass hoppers also. I let you guys know how the stuff works in a few days.
Grasshoppers are great fish bait. (Just sayin'.) Be careful with the DT. It's made of the fossilized shells of micro-crustaceans and every little dust particle has a lot of sharp edges on it. The edges puncture the exoskeleton of insects so they lose liquids and die. Wear a dust mask when using it.
The ants on the okra are a different species than the ones that are farming the aphids. The Okra ants are bigger and I believe they are carpenter ants.
Do they have red heads/bodies with black tails? That's what I call carpenters and they'll get in the wood frame of your house if you're not careful.
Plus this DT earth stuff should work for other pest like grass hoppers also. I let you guys know how the stuff works in a few days.
Grasshoppers are great fish bait. (Just sayin'.) Be careful with the DT. It's made of the fossilized shells of micro-crustaceans and every little dust particle has a lot of sharp edges on it. The edges puncture the exoskeleton of insects so they lose liquids and die. Wear a dust mask when using it.
Could be carpenter ants , I do not know species and just through that out there since it came to mind. On the dusting stuff I will definitely do as I do with spreading of all powders and use a mask.
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That DT is perfect for getting rid of pests everywhere. and its not harmful to people at all.. i remember the first time we bought some the guy actually ate some just to show i was safe. hope he is still alive lol
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Looks great, my garden has come to a screatching halt. I got attacked by aphids and the heat is not helping. Looks good.
I'm feelin' ya Tin Head. Nothin' but peppers left. Lost the war with stink bugs. Whats the trick to getting the orange habaneros. Mine have stayed green.
Looks great, my garden has come to a screatching halt. I got attacked by aphids and the heat is not helping. Looks good.
I'm feelin' ya Tin Head. Nothin' but peppers left. Lost the war with stink bugs. Whats the trick to getting the orange habaneros. Mine have stayed green.
You might have to leave the Habs. longer and let them ripen a little. Stink bugs are some tough little critters to eliminate.
What makes tomatoes crack or bust? I'm assuming it is the rain we had this last week.
Everyone of my ripe ones split down the side. They are rather little too.
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When a tomato begins to ripen, the outer flesh begins more fragile. When cooler water hits it, it causes it to split. One more reason to water EARLY morning before the sun has had a change to raise the temp of the tomato...
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What makes tomatoes crack or bust? I'm assuming it is the rain we had this last week.
Everyone of my ripe ones split down the side. They are rather little too.
infrequent watering would be the main cause like LSS said. The soil gets dry then a heavy watering. Using a good mulch will help out to keep the soil at a more consistent moisture level also. Ideal would be for the soil to stay moist, not wet, 100% of the time. This time of year i like watering in the evenings, it works for me. The water has about 12 hours to soak in the soil before the sun and heat come up. And the plants have the same 12 hours to enjoy the moisture with out the Texas summer beating them up during the day. Mulch helps through out the day to retain the moisture.
The DE stuff posted above does work but i think it would be best with one of those "puffers", I forget the name. The deals where you put the powder in the can and it has a pump to distribute the powder in a cloud, anyone know the name and where to find one?
EDEIT: and a face mask. I wonder how much DE the guy was selling that he felt the need to eat it?
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check other gardening websites seen some there.
I've had fire ants on my okra for about two weeks. Pizzed me off enough that I got the machete after them on Friday. No worries though, I have more dang okra than I need already, and still have 5 plants in the ground...
time to do some weeding today and put together the plan for the fall garden.
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According to the the recommended planting dates for North Texas, I'm a couple weeks late for planting peppers and tomatoes. Does anyone know if planting these (in the next couple days) is a worthless attempt, or might I get something out of it?
Also, does anyone know where I can get seed potatoes at this time in the year? All the local places seem to stop carrying them after the Spring (that I can find).
It's been a while since I've been in here. Here's my latest work:
This:
Transformed into this:
Which has now transformed into this:
Later on, I'll finish the top half. It's a little too warm right now.
When a tomato begins to ripen, the outer flesh begins more fragile. When cooler water hits it, it causes it to split. One more reason to water EARLY morning before the sun has had a change to raise the temp of the tomato...
I use soaker hoses. We did have some good solid later afternoon rains about a week and half ago. I guess that is what did it.
I water in the evening when I get home.
What type of mulch should I use?
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When a tomato begins to ripen, the outer flesh begins more fragile. When cooler water hits it, it causes it to split. One more reason to water EARLY morning before the sun has had a change to raise the temp of the tomato...
I use soaker hoses. We did have some good solid later afternoon rains about a week and half ago. I guess that is what did it.
I water in the evening when I get home.
What type of mulch should I use?
depends on a few things as far as what kind of mulch, main thing is you dont want something that is going to throw your ph level off. I used wheat straw. Theres a organic place close by that sells cedar mulch for 22 dollars a bobcat scoop. I use a soaker hose also and one thing I learned is to give the garden a good spray of water ,concentrating on the stems, do this atleast once a week. This will help keep pest from getting out of control.
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Yup, looks like you got the fever. Time for an intervention.
Buy some taters and put a few under your sink for a couple weeks. You should have some sprouts and I believe you have enough time to try this if you can't find any "ready to plant" anywhere. I wouldn't bother with Russets but Yukon Gold and Reds (if you can find 'em) should sprout ok (plus, they'll be more amenable to cooler temps).
Nice garden patch. Now where you gonna put the hot tub?
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I've got a really nice serrano plant this year. Must be three feet tall with deep green foilage and was covered with flowers. I've gotten one chili off of it so far.
What's the deal? Is it better for serranos to be planted in pairs for pollination ? I've always had good yields from single plants.
I've got a really nice serrano plant this year. Must be three feet tall with deep green foilage and was covered with flowers. I've gotten one chili off of it so far.
What's the deal? Is it better for serranos to be planted in pairs for pollination ? I've always had good yields from single plants.
Dang , dont do a serrano image search on google , scary. Mine seem to do fine as long as their not bothered by pest. On these pepper plants you should flick each flower and you should see a little puff of pollen, then the flowers should set fruit. I think LSS posted earlier in the year the importance of spanking the plants.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
I've got a really nice serrano plant this year. Must be three feet tall with deep green foilage and was covered with flowers. I've gotten one chili off of it so far.
What's the deal? Is it better for serranos to be planted in pairs for pollination ? I've always had good yields from single plants.
Start spanking it like a tomato plant...
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Do any of you guys make your own compost? I took over the compost making from my wife and I really enjoy it. Plus it is a good mini work out the way I do it, chopping and blending the stuff with a hoe. We are always on the look out for free ingredients.
Nice garden patch. Now where you gonna put the hot tub?
In the middle of the garden of course...
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Do any of you guys make your own compost? I took over the compost making from my wife and I really enjoy it. Plus it is a good mini work out the way I do it, chopping and blending the stuff with a hoe. We are always on the look out for free ingredients.
Yes, I compost. Finding the "ingredients" has sort of become a game - I'm always keeping an eye out for someone throwing out bags of leaves, grass clippings, companies throwing away coffee grounds, etc.
In related news, I need like 10 more cubic yards of cow/horse/chicken/rabbit manure. That's a lot of truckloads of carp.
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Do any of you guys make your own compost? I took over the compost making from my wife and I really enjoy it. Plus it is a good mini work out the way I do it, chopping and blending the stuff with a hoe. We are always on the look out for free ingredients.
Stop in any starbucks and ask them for coffee grounds. They'll bag em up and give em to ya.
I need to add another compost pile to my already full gardening area because I don't want to add stuff to the pile that's almost done. I need more space.
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In related news, I need like 10 more cubic yards of cow/horse/chicken/rabbit manure. That's a lot of truckloads of carp.
If you need to cheat a little check your organic places. The same place that sells the mulch by the bobcat scope full also sells compost. If I remember correctly its 11 dollars a scope. 2 scopes and your truck bumpber will be on the ground,lol. This should have all the organic matter and some nutrients to make your plants do good.
Also dont for get to do a soil test before you start adding stuff. For the 15 dollars you will get all the info on whats happening in the soil so you know what to add to make your plants do great. The soil test that are sold in stores are junk and a waste of money.
I am going to try and see if I can find the link but I remember reading some where that chicken poop had the highest level of nutrients.
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Chicken poop is really high in nitrogen. You need to let it rot down (till it under during winter,compost,or make "tea"). Fresh can burn your plants up.
It's good stuff , really. I keep chickens and move their pen every 5 years or so. I then plant where the chickens were the year before.
Do any of you guys make your own compost? I took over the compost making from my wife and I really enjoy it. Plus it is a good mini work out the way I do it, chopping and blending the stuff with a hoe. We are always on the look out for free ingredients.
Stop in any starbucks and ask them for coffee grounds. They'll bag em up and give em to ya.
I need to add another compost pile to my already full gardening area because I don't want to add stuff to the pile that's almost done. I need more space.
Yes, we have been using Starbucks coffee grounds for a couple of years. I will probably add several more piles in the fall, now that we have the room. My wife said the compost is ready much quicker for me than it was for her. But at our last location it was in a shady spot and now it is in full sun, plus I am more active with it than she had time for. Another thing I have been doing(especially since grass clippings(N) have been sparse lately), is saving my urine(N) to put on the pile. Have been mixing it with 3 parts water.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
Originally Posted By: lws6772
Do any of you guys make your own compost? I took over the compost making from my wife and I really enjoy it. Plus it is a good mini work out the way I do it, chopping and blending the stuff with a hoe. We are always on the look out for free ingredients.
Stop in any starbucks and ask them for coffee grounds. They'll bag em up and give em to ya.
I need to add another compost pile to my already full gardening area because I don't want to add stuff to the pile that's almost done. I need more space.
Yes, we have been using Starbucks coffee grounds for a couple of years. I will probably add several more piles in the fall, now that we have the room. My wife said the compost is ready much quicker for me than it was for her. But at our last location it was in a shady spot and now it is in full sun, plus I am more active with it than she had time for. Another thing I have been doing(especially since grass clippings(N) have been sparse lately), is saving my urine(N) to put on the pile. Have been mixing it with 3 parts water.
I did read that peein on your pile was good for it but saving it is too much for me! LOL
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Do any of you guys make your own compost? I took over the compost making from my wife and I really enjoy it. Plus it is a good mini work out the way I do it, chopping and blending the stuff with a hoe. We are always on the look out for free ingredients.
Stop in any starbucks and ask them for coffee grounds. They'll bag em up and give em to ya.
I need to add another compost pile to my already full gardening area because I don't want to add stuff to the pile that's almost done. I need more space.
Yes, we have been using Starbucks coffee grounds for a couple of years. I will probably add several more piles in the fall, now that we have the room. My wife said the compost is ready much quicker for me than it was for her. But at our last location it was in a shady spot and now it is in full sun, plus I am more active with it than she had time for. Another thing I have been doing(especially since grass clippings(N) have been sparse lately), is saving my urine(N) to put on the pile. Have been mixing it with 3 parts water.
I did read that peein on your pile was good for it but saving it is too much for me! LOL
For those close enough to Colorado City that want tomato plants, Neff's greehouse north of Colorado City heading towards Snyder, Texas on the west side of the road has some apprx. 3 inch plants for 40 cents each. These are pretty small, the man there said leave them on the back porch in the shade for about a week and they would be more than ready to plant. Just thought anyone passing thru that area might be interested as those tomato plants are very, very hard to find for fall gardens out in this neck of the woods. Varieties are BHN444 and Celebrity - he said they should be ready to start pulling tomatoes by mid-October.
I went out today to pick peas, and found that I have several blooms dead and several more turning yellow to follow I am sure. I think they got water on them , but there are a few on my three biggest plants that are ok, would it be good to fertilze now to help them re-set ? I planted purple hull peas three days ago and have about 7 that came up already...they should do goo where I out them...Thanks in advice or help with tomatoes...hubby really likes them and Iam just not doing good in the suppling department this year....
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Are aphids those little whiteish yellow lookin bugs that totally cover the bottom of leaves? I noticed yesterday I had a bunch of ants and small bugs and what looked like larvae on a few leaves.
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Are aphids those little whiteish yellow lookin bugs that totally cover the bottom of leaves? I noticed yesterday I had a bunch of ants and small bugs and what looked like larvae on a few leaves.
For you aphids you need to attack now!!!! Those things multiply fast in a day they will take over your garden. Get a sprayer hose and give the underside of the leaves and stems a blast of water. This will knock a lot of the aphids loose and most will not make it back to the plants as the will get eating up by other bugs on the ground. I dont like sevin cause it will kill everything in the area , including bees that pollinate some plants. After this I went organic are their arse and used a solution of vegetable oil and liquid soap. The soap helps the oil mix with the water more evenly and the oil does a number on the their exoskeleton. It disolves their outer body. It works BUT do over do with the oil and wash it off after a few minutes.
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i'll check it tonight. i put sevin on em last night
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i'll check it tonight. i put sevin on em last night
I have been trying some organic stuff and am finding out vegetable , mineral, oil and soap will kill a lot of things. Including your plants if you over do it. I tried this solution on some ants and they literally stopped in their tracks dead.
If the sevin does not seem to be working , give them a blast of water. This helps a lot. They multiply so fast though that to get rid of them its gonna take a few times before there all gone.
Have you fertilized lately? Aphids are attracted to plants with high nitrogen. The sap coming out of the leaves is what there after and if its rich with nitrogen they go crazy, or the ants go crazy also. Their loving the sap.
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Nope, haven't fertilized lately.
I did just learn that ants suck the sap out of the buttt of the aphids. Click
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There are literally thousands of species of aphids so color isn't a good way to tell. They all have pretty much the same body shape, though. If the ants are all around and not killing them I'd say it's a pretty good chance that they are aphids.
Are the "larvae" black with orange or yellow stripes ? They might be ladybug larvae that eat a ton of aphids. When I have them I put Sevin around the base of the plant (to discourage the ants) and let the ladybugs go to town.
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Have you fertilized lately? Aphids are attracted to plants with high nitrogen. The sap coming out of the leaves is what there after and if its rich with nitrogen they go crazy, or the ants go crazy also. Their loving the sap.
Might explain why ants get in peas and beans so much. All the legumes "fix" nitrogen into the surrounding soil.
I've used "trap crops" for aphids before. You plant something they like a week or so earlier than your main crop so they'll be drawn away. Maybe could try planting some greens and pour on the Miracle-Gro to keep 'em away from the other stuff ?
Have you fertilized lately? Aphids are attracted to plants with high nitrogen. The sap coming out of the leaves is what there after and if its rich with nitrogen they go crazy, or the ants go crazy also. Their loving the sap.
Might explain why ants get in peas and beans so much. All the legumes "fix" nitrogen into the surrounding soil.
I've used "trap crops" for aphids before. You plant something they like a week or so earlier than your main crop so they'll be drawn away. Maybe could try planting some greens and pour on the Miracle-Gro to keep 'em away from the other stuff ?
Well from what I have read ants dont go after the plants. Probably some one from up north wrote the article. BUT, from what I have seen , a ant will dip their chops into the plants. After I killed most of the aphids I seen the ants running like crazy all over the leaves. I think they were in search of aphids to farm. They seemed to also be biting into the leaves, unless there was some microscopic bug they were attacking, they were getting there "sap" fix themselves. I was thinking of using those fly glue strips and wrap it around the stem at the base of each plant. No ants bugs should make it up to the foliage. But for aphids mix a spray bottle with vegetable oil, soap ,and water,spray it directly on them and check back in a hour or so they will be dead. It works. But again for those mainly that use soaker hoses, spray the plants at least once a week or when you see bugs getting out of control. On the stems and under the leaves. This works good to get the numbers down on aphids.
I like to push the limit on nitrogen when getting lush green foliage so I will always be dealing with aphids. When I want the plants to start producing I concentrate more on the second of the N-P-K level. Its a balance.
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The sevin took care of the issue for me. It was on the plants for about 24 hrs and last night I sprayed the plant off really well. Seems to be good now.
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The sevin took care of the issue for me. It was on the plants for about 24 hrs and last night I sprayed the plant off really well. Seems to be good now.
I think I am going to get some liquid seven also to keep in a spray bottle. I dont want through it all over the garden. Just to spot check things.
Hey Tin Head, finally started getting orange habaneros! Just needed more time to ripen, as suggested. #@!$% stink bugs are showing up in the peppers now. Thinking about trying some liquid Sevin. Problem is my sprayer is tied up with material for Cut Ants. I'm sure it would take care of the stinkers, but it would be WAAAY off label!
Another trick to keeping aphids away, as Siberman pointed out, is to grow companion plants that repel or "trap" aphids (2 different approaches). Here's a good link:
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Another trick to keeping aphids away, as Siberman pointed out, is to grow companion plants that repel or "trap" aphids (2 different approaches). Here's a good link:
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Those are AWESOME!!!! I had one that ripened and the freaking bugs got to it the morning I went to pick it... My watermelons are doing okay still, so we'll see...
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That's AWESOME! My tomatoes gave up in early July, except the cherry tomatoes...They are making a comeback now, well most of them...Depending on where you are located, you may want to try the Lemon Boy tomatoes next spring...Those things are GOOD and less acidic than the standard varieties...
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Originally Posted By: PayneTHF
Those are cherry 100's and celebrity. I bought a couple of heirlooms and neither made a thing. I'm in Lavaca county about 2 hours from the coast.
You could probably get away with planting them earlier than I can...As long as you protect them from a late frost...The heirlooms and larger tomato plants won't set fruit once you hit the 90's for more than 2 to 3 weeks...So they need to go in as early as possible...
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Now that I'm at the lake, I wait for a particular doe to make her appearance. She's an odd one and she eats with cows on a farm between my house and Morgan, TX. When she comes to graze in March, it means spring is here and there won't be a late frost. Whether or not spring is on the calendar, if the doe is there, the time has come...Also, spanking the plants everyday once the blooms showed yielded great results for me. Although it was a bit time consuming...
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I was in there everyday at the beginning, they just didn't take off. I was going to plant like I do every year, the day after Easter but the forecast was in my favor so I planted a week earlier. I had great rain this year and had one of my best garden to date. The ash from my wood burning heaters did the trick.
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Originally Posted By: PayneTHF
I was in there everyday at the beginning, they just didn't take off. I was going to plant like I do every year, the day after Easter but the forecast was in my favor so I planted a week earlier. I had great rain this year and had one of my best garden to date. The ash from my wood burning heaters did the trick.
Well, I know how you feel, I planted some Brandywine tomatoes a couple of years ago and didn't get squat...The plants were HUGE, just no tomatoes...Very frustrating...This year, I did get to try a Brandywine and they are good and big, but I won't plant more than 4 ever again...
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
For those of you who run soaker hoses, do you run them in the furrows (between the rows) or on top of the row?
I'm confused how watering several inches below the base of the plant, and 6" to the left/right, will be able to get water to the plant's roots.
Well, you do know that roots grow out, not just down right? The root system should mirror the plant's leaf canopy...So however far the leaves spread the roots should spread as well...
I tried soakers, but they didn't put out enough water, so I now run a sprinkler that I purchased at TSC when it was on sale...
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For those of you who run soaker hoses, do you run them in the furrows (between the rows) or on top of the row?
I'm confused how watering several inches below the base of the plant, and 6" to the left/right, will be able to get water to the plant's roots.
I run them on top of the rows and let gravity pull the water down. Most plants seem to have the main roots down deep but a lot of feeder roots at the surface or below the surface a inch or so. My squash has the roots pretty shallow and My maters have the roots a little deeper. If your plants are in a area that has flat soil the roots will spread out a little further. If they are in rows/hill/mounds the roots will obviously spread out but angled down instead of straight out. With a set up like LSS's it would be difficult to use soaker hoses. You would need a lot more water pressure to water 1000 square feet with a soaker hose. What I like about soaker hoses though is theres no wasted water. If your worried about getting enough water you can always run 2 lines down the row. Gravity usually pulls the water down and fills the bottom of the rows. Instead of running one long line , water pressure is 0 by the time it get to the end of the line. Try using a spliter and your regular hose and from there split into 2-3-4 individual hoses , might help.
LSS - with using a sprinkler, do you have any problems with fungi on the leaves? The garden is in my backyard and I have the whole yard already set up with sprinkler lines. I was going to turn them off in that area, though, next year, because of the fear of fungi (hence the soaker hoses which are below the mulching and foliage).
If fungi isn't a problem, I might just leave the sprinklers as-is, and save a few hundred bones.
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Um, the only fungus comes from between my toes...I probably should have that looked at...
No, there's not a fungus problem. However, I don't put my plants to bed wet at night...Okay, I do, but just in the summer when it's still 93 degrees at midnight...
As long as you water at the appropriate times for the season, there shouldn't be a problem.
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During this summer heat there is no worries for fungus. But , its really up to your situation on what you will need to do. During the spring I could not keep Powdery mildew from forming with just the humity and morning dew, watering in the morning.When you use water, try to concentrate it in the plants' ROOT ZONE. Water from a sprinkler won't all reach the soil surface because of evaporation--a loss of up to 25%. BUT, using sprinklers can help also in this EXTREME summertime heat but the roots are where the water should be concentrated.Remember , plants dont take up much water through its foliage, so watering these areas is not that efficient. Concetrate watering on the root zone. I have learned to do both use soaker hoses and hit the foliage with water once a week. Plants do best when the root zone is kept moist ,not wet, 100% of the time. For that reason I like to water this time of year in the evenings, so less water is evaporated compared to the daylight hours. Another reason I use soaker hose is because the water is let out slowly, very slowly, "SOAKING" the soil. To keep these areas consistently moist is a challenge, thats why I like to use a timer.
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Payne Awesome place and harvest!!!
My wife would love those grapes. What county are you in? It looks sandy.
LSS - Great harvest.
Do you know why my peppers(bells) would have one bad spot on some of them?
I haven't even been on here in a month. We found this huge umbrella and just had to put a new rope through it. We put up several fence poles so we can move it around and this has really helped out.
ALL the peppers and okra are really popping. I've been watering at night for the last month.
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Things are looking great
I get those brown spots too...I think they are caused by pests...Either squash bugs or grasshoppers and I'm not certain which...I had about 4 peppers I had to throw away because of those stinking spots...They were probably edible, I just prefer to be the first one to bite into my food...
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I haven't even been on here in a month. We found this huge umbrella and just had to put a new rope through it. We put up several fence poles so we can move it around and this has really helped out.
I think next year I am going to plant the okra spaced all around the garden to help block the extreme summer sun. If they are planted early they get pretty tall. Nice place you got there.
If need be you can foliar feed a calcium solution through the leaves. Spray the plants down with your nutrient solution.This will get the calcium in the plants quicker. If using chemical nutrients use half or quarter strength. Get the calcium in the ground also at regular strength.
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You could be successful with peas, carrots and/or lettuce...Most everything else won't be successful...If you can find some squash plants at a nursery, you would probably get some fruit off those as well...
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Half of mine are brown, tops of them are green, but only one tomato on the plants.
Should I rip them up and plant a fall garden like m5ash?
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Originally Posted By: Bass_Bustin_Texan
Has everyone given up on your tomato plants?
Half of mine are brown, tops of them are green, but only one tomato on the plants.
Should I rip them up and plant a fall garden like m5ash?
The majority of mine are okay (but then again, I planted approx. 200), but I did have to rip up some. I do have some that are beginning to produce again. It's probably too late for you to plant new tomato plants, unless you can find some in the store that are already showing blooms and even then, it might not be enough time...
It's really a personal call, but if the lower half aren't green, it's probably best to replace them with something else...
Peas will survive a light frost better than most things, so that might be a viable option for you...
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Originally Posted By: Stink Bait Steve--
We have Rabbits in the Area here , Besides the Obvious how do you keep em out of the garden , They have been eatin my squash
Plant more squash?
I'd probably erect some chicken wire cage things to keep the rabbits out...Or get a dog...I'd suggest a cat, but their urine will kill the plants and make it stink...
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1) Chicken or other narrow-spaced wire with the bottom buried about one foot deep. Rabbits can dig.
2) Bird netting.
3) A low voltage electric fence with wires at 1" , 4" , 7" and 12" high.
4) Blood meal or red/black pepper around / on the plants. You'll have to reapply after very rain.
5) Mix habaneros , onions ,garlic, Ivory liquid and water. Strain into your sprayer then spray it on the plants. Be sure and wait a few days before harvesting and wash the veggies really well.
6) Get a cat or a small Terrier .
7) Pellet gun.
I was kinda suprised by the rabbits this year. They chewed down several pepper plants but didn't touch the squash , melons or thornless blackberries. Maybe they're so used to the thorns on the dewberries that they didn't bother. Are you sure it's rabbits ?
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Originally Posted By: Stink Bait Steve--
We have Rabbits in the Area here , Besides the Obvious how do you keep em out of the garden , They have been eatin my squash
Plant more squash?
I'd probably erect some chicken wire cage things to keep the rabbits out...Or get a dog...I'd suggest a cat, but their urine will kill the plants and make it stink...
Don't know how dog pee affects veggies but I know for a fact that Chow pee will kill a climbing rose pdq.
It will burn them for sure. I could not figure out for the longest what was happening to some plants that should of been fine . Until I seem my dog come by and hike up his leg on them . Erect a chicken wire fence around the entire garden. A chicken wire fence that encases the entire vegetable garden is probably the most effective, yet labour-intensive way to prevent rabbits from munching the garden down to bare stems. When erecting the fence, remember that rabbits are diggers, so the chicken wire must penetrate the soil level about eight inches deep. Create chicken wire cages or cloches for individual plants. Roll a piece of chicken wire into a tube, being careful to clip off or trim any sharp edges. Twist one end of the chicken wire tube into a point, creating a cloche. Cloches can be placed around individual plants to protect them from being eaten. Ensure the cage/cloche is installed several inches into the ground, or mound soil around the base. Sprinkle chili powder around the base of plants. The powder will need to be reapplied following any rainfall. Use blood meal around plants. A commercially available product such as Plant Skidd, which contains blood meal, can be spread around the base of vegetable plants. It does not have an unpleasant smell to humans, but animals will steer clear of the scent of blood. Place oven racks around plants. Some vegetable gardeners have reported that placing wire or metal oven racks around the targeted plants in their gardens have helped to prevent rabbits fromhelping themselves to the vegetables growing there. The rabbits reportedly do not like to step among or stand upon the racks, and will look for food elsewhere. Apply a Liquid Fence® product. Spray one of Liquid Fence’s natural animal repellent products around the edges of vegetable beds. These products are biodegradable, rain-resistant and pet friendly. Trap and release. Trap rabbits humanely in the garden and release them quickly into a habitat that matches closely that from which they were removed. Ensure that the animals are not left in the trap any longer than is absolutely necessary, and keep them out of extreme heat or cold. Plant rabbit-resistant perennials. The University of Nebraska, Lincoln, recommends planting rabbit-resistant perennials in areas they frequently visit. Interspersing some of these plants among vegetable plants may help deter them from eating the veggies nearby. Place branches over small seedlings. Protect small, tender vegetable plants by gently pushing branches into the soil surrounding the plants. The branches should make it too difficult for the rabbits to enjoy the food contained within. Mix a rabbit repellent tea. Homemade, organic mixtures that can be sprayed onto the surface of plants is often helpful. Place 2 tablespoons of cayenne pepper and 2 tablespoons of garlic powder into a coffee filter and twist it closed. Place this makeshift teabag into a jug or pitcher and pour about 32 ounces of warm water over it. Allow the mixture to steep overnight. It may be preferable to allow the mixture to steep outdoors, as it has a potent smell! Squeeze the filter gently when removing it from the water, being careful not to rip or tear it. Pour the resulting brew into a spray bottle, adding a squirt of dish soap, which allows the spray to adhere to plants’ leaves. Spray the concoction liberally onto the plants that are most targeted by rabbits. This mixture will need to be reapplied following a heavy rain.
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Lowe's has 'mater plants. I picked "Early Girl" since it was the fastest producer (50 days). I'm going to plant them in the flowerbeds close to the house so (hopefully ) the brick will provide radiant heat when it starts getting cooler. Y'all wish me luck.
Well, my wonderfully producing cukes gave up a few weeks ago after in infestation of aphids combined with high temps. That's okay, those 2 big tubs produced 15 qts of pickles. So we decided to see what would happen with a Fall garden of sorts. We replanted cuke seeds Sunday afternoon (Aug 28). Might be a little late but we will see. As of Tuesday afternoon, I already had 22 little sprouts about 1 inch tall coming up. Now we will wait to see if they make it to maturity and produce before any freezes. Hope to put up more pickles and give away a few qts at Christmas. Also planted a couple tomotoe plants we picked up from Home Depot. They were already about 1 ft tall and as of yesterday they had grown a couple more inches (no telling after this rain). Still had a couple of other tomatoe plants hanging on from the summer, green stalks and bushy but not setting any blooms lately. Of course, a couple of tomatoe worms got on the bushes and started stripping the leaves. A healthy dose of sevin dust took care of that but still waiting to see if they produce anything else. I think the rain and cooler temps will get things started.
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Originally Posted By: scott01
Well, my wonderfully producing cukes gave up a few weeks ago after in infestation of aphids combined with high temps. That's okay, those 2 big tubs produced 15 qts of pickles. So we decided to see what would happen with a Fall garden of sorts. We replanted cuke seeds Sunday afternoon (Aug 28). Might be a little late but we will see. As of Tuesday afternoon, I already had 22 little sprouts about 1 inch tall coming up. Now we will wait to see if they make it to maturity and produce before any freezes. Hope to put up more pickles and give away a few qts at Christmas. Also planted a couple tomotoe plants we picked up from Home Depot. They were already about 1 ft tall and as of yesterday they had grown a couple more inches (no telling after this rain). Still had a couple of other tomatoe plants hanging on from the summer, green stalks and bushy but not setting any blooms lately. Of course, a couple of tomatoe worms got on the bushes and started stripping the leaves. A healthy dose of sevin dust took care of that but still waiting to see if they produce anything else. I think the rain and cooler temps will get things started.
It should...I don't think this will be as harsh of a fall/winter as last year, so hopefully you will get to harvest some...I have plenty of peppers and a lot of my tomato plants are producing once again. The Lemon Boy plants are still producing even in 100+ degree weather...Which was a HUGE surprise to me...
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According to the Farmer's Almanac, it will be much colder this year, but much less snow. Usually here in N. Texas though, the really cold temps don't hit until late Jan. - early Feb.
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
According to the Farmer's Almanac, it will be much colder this year, but much less snow. Usually here in N. Texas though, the really cold temps don't hit until late Jan. - early Feb.
You are right, it is supposed to be colder in the northern part of Texas...I don't garden there anymore and rarely pay attention to y'alls forecast...Good catch you knucklehead...BTW, how's the foot?
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Um, MSR, if you tick your wife off bad enough to have her put your bed outside, you should share the story...
In 2002, I had to use a cane to get around and fell when I went outside to look at a garden my mom had planted...It took a few hours for me to be able to crawl back into the house...My dog, Preema, was laughing at me when I got back...Okay, she can't laugh, but with her under bite, she looks like she's laughing...
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Well, the newest update is that I'm still getting lots of peppers and my tomatoes are making a very strong comeback...I've also decided to plant okra in the spring...I'm going to use it as a windbreak, and to produce food...
How is everyone else doing?
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Very poor year, here. Have some peppers still growing, and planted more beans and squash a few weeks ago. I bought a yard of professional bedding soil from Living Earth in Lancaster, and even with regular fertilizing I think there is something lacking in it. Next year I will have to have the soil tested to see what it needs.
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I have a question for people who've grown sweet potato vines in the past...I planted 6 in 2008 and had 1 come back in 2009 (these are supposed to be annuals). This year, we planted a bunch in planters (about 24 plants in 6 planters) and I'd like to know if you've been able to keep them alive year round...I can put them inside if need be and they'd receive plenty of sun. I just don't want to waste my time...I'm tired of spending $2.00/plant (and sometimes more) and then having them die off...
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You should be able to put them inside with no problem. Lighting I think would be the biggest factor but they should be all right indoors. If you really want to get crazy get a indoor light for your plants. I believe that going into winter the days get shorter so this could trigger the plant to do something funny ,like die,lol. Keep the light ( cheap fluorescent ) on a lighting time limit like you would in the spring ,summer,longer days. I would just bring them inside though if you notice them not looking to good add a light. Should really be no different than any other indoor vine plant. My mom has had a vine plant growing indoor for about 10 years now. Edit: The vine seems to put out sweet potatoes at early fall through early winter. If you dont pick and eat its likely the potato will reroot in spring.
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Uh, we are talking about the real sweet tater vines (not the ornamentals), right ? If you have a good south-facing window they should be fine . Tin Head is right about the photo-period as well. If you're gonna use Regular Output flourescents, get at least two 48" shoplights and keep the plants as close to the middle as possible(ROs lose intensity on either end).
You can also start sweet potato vines by suspending the tater with toothpicks in a glass of water (kinda like you sprout avacado seeds).
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Have never posted here before but thought I would. I have a 4x8 back porch. I started tossing bird seed on it and the birds went nuts. Its great watching them fight over the seed. Some days I see cardinals, blue jays, and doves all at the same time. Even got a squirrel that gets in on the act. And one day I even had one or our two local rabbits sitting on the porch with the birds and the squirrel eating that bird seed.
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I had no idea how much okra a single okra plant could produce.
Okra, pickling cukes, jalapenos and sugar snap peas were my best producers this year. Everything else was marginal at best.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Uh, we are talking about the real sweet tater vines (not the ornamentals), right ? If you have a good south-facing window they should be fine . Tin Head is right about the photo-period as well. If you're gonna use Regular Output flourescents, get at least two 48" shoplights and keep the plants as close to the middle as possible(ROs lose intensity on either end).
You can also start sweet potato vines by suspending the tater with toothpicks in a glass of water (kinda like you sprout avacado seeds).
They are the ones you buy and Lowe's and other places...However, I did find a couple potatoes at the root this spring from where one was planted in 2008 and returned in 2009...
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I was under the impression the "real" sweet potato vines are the ornamental type also. I mean there both one in the same, no difference . They just have nice foliage,could be wrong though. You can buy a fluorescent light that will be specifically for plants , not the home depot light. Fluorescents should do the job with out using much electricity, all though there are better lights. I will be bring in some pepper plants , I want fresh peppers in the middle of winter.
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Have never posted here before but thought I would. I have a 4x8 back porch. I started tossing bird seed on it and the birds went nuts. Its great watching them fight over the seed. Some days I see cardinals, blue jays, and doves all at the same time. Even got a squirrel that gets in on the act. And one day I even had one or our two local rabbits sitting on the porch with the birds and the squirrel eating that bird seed.
Invest in a hanging feeder when you can and keep the seeds off the ground where they'll also attract mice and rats which in turn attract snakes. If you want a real show get one of them cheap hummingbird feeders and set it out now. They're fixin' to start their migration to Mexico and Central / South America.
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I was under the impression the "real" sweet potato vines are the ornamental type also. I mean there both one in the same, no difference . They just have nice foliage,could be wrong though. You can buy a fluorescent light that will be specifically for plants , not the home depot light. Fluorescents should do the job with out using much electricity, all though there are better lights. I will be bring in some pepper plants , I want fresh peppers in the middle of winter.
Ok , my bad. I thought they were just an ornamental. You might want to try Very High Output or Power Compact flourescents or even Metal Halides for growing inside. Try to get bulbs in the red / violet end of the spectrum (for plant growth). Halides will grow a tree in your house but they ( as well as Halogens) run HOTand your meter will be spinning like a ceiling fan !
you can use t-5 flouresent set up that runs as much light as a metal halide but way less heat and the bulbs last longer. good reflectors will make it much better. (most flouresents are t-12 size, t-5 are smaller and alast longer that compact flouresents.)
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you can use t-5 flouresent set up that runs as much light as a metal halide but way less heat and the bulbs last longer. good reflectors will make it much better. (most flouresents are t-12 size, t-5 are smaller and alast longer that compact flouresents.)
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I had no idea how much okra a single okra plant could produce.
Okra, pickling cukes, jalapenos and sugar snap peas were my best producers this year. Everything else was marginal at best.
My peppers are still kicking arse and taking names. I have a few okra plants producing about 8 fruit a week. My tomatoes are back to being lush and green, and tons of flowers, but only a few tomatoes developing.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
I had no idea how much okra a single okra plant could produce.
Okra, pickling cukes, jalapenos and sugar snap peas were my best producers this year. Everything else was marginal at best.
My peppers are still kicking arse and taking names. I have a few okra plants producing about 8 fruit a week. My tomatoes are back to being lush and green, and tons of flowers, but only a few tomatoes developing.
Get to spanking the tomato plants...You might be able to get a harvest of green ones before the first bad freeze (depending on the variety)...You can get them to ripen by placing them in a box lined with a newspaper...Or put them on the window sill...
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I had no idea how much okra a single okra plant could produce.
Okra, pickling cukes, jalapenos and sugar snap peas were my best producers this year. Everything else was marginal at best.
My peppers are still kicking arse and taking names. I have a few okra plants producing about 8 fruit a week. My tomatoes are back to being lush and green, and tons of flowers, but only a few tomatoes developing.
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This is a good time of the year to make chow-chow with your green tomatoes. Mine are all gone.
I planted mustards, turnips, carrots, broccoli, and cauliflower in my fall garden. The mustards and turnips are a good good way to keep the weeds under control.
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This is a good time of the year to make chow-chow with your green tomatoes. Mine are all gone.
I planted mustards, turnips, carrots, broccoli, and cauliflower in my fall garden. The mustards and turnips are a good good way to keep the weeds under control.
Cilantro is comming up all around the edges.
I've never had a successful fall garden.
Did you plant all that from seeds?
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OK I have a whole bunch of really tall tomato plants with blooms all over them...and not a freakin tomato...truly, I left these tomato's in their little pots they came in way longer than I should have when i bought them , but I was getting tomato's...I grow everything else...but cant get diddly outta them. So my question is , do I chop them down and forget them, or do something else? and what would that be exactly? Can you sense my exasperation...I toasted my waterbill all summer to water correctly, and now I got nothing but questions ..and I have never had a problem growing them before...just don't get it....
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Originally Posted By: curvytxfish
OK I have a whole bunch of really tall tomato plants with blooms all over them...and not a freakin tomato...truly, I left these tomato's in their little pots they came in way longer than I should have when i bought them , but I was getting tomato's...I grow everything else...but cant get diddly outta them. So my question is , do I chop them down and forget them, or do something else? and what would that be exactly? Can you sense my exasperation...I toasted my waterbill all summer to water correctly, and now I got nothing but questions ..and I have never had a problem growing them before...just don't get it....
I would definitely spank them everyday...To spank them just means giving them a good, vigorous shake...You should be able to harvest some good green tomatoes before the first freeze...We're a little farther south so we generally can keep them a bit longer...If you don't have anything on them by the end of this month, it's going to be a lost cause...
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OK going to try the spanking, just have tons o bees and thought it was being taken care of, but no tomato's would sure mean ya'll are right and I shouldn't assume ...ha ha....well I am going to try this and I will let you kow how it goes...Thanks for helping
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Killed a 4 inch long cut worm Sunday...Be sure to watch for those nasty little critters...
Also, for those of you who have added fish guts to the soil, have any added it before planting? I was considering adding it late this fall after the first freeze. I was wondering if adding the fish guts and letting them break down for a few months would be beneficial...
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Cucumber plants are full of blooms and small (1") cukes. Saw a bunch of little black dots on the leaves and the small cukes yesterday, assumed they were aphids. Got out the insecticidal soap (really just Dawn liquid and water) and gave them a good soaking, especially the back side of the leaves. My yellow bell pepper plant is loaded (only 1 plant made it thru summer). Counted 11 peppers on it yesterday. That is the tallest pepper plant I have ever seen. it is almost 5 ft tall. Not sure about the tomatoes yet. My 2 summer plants came back and full green growth but only 2 blooms. My other tomatoe plant I put in back in August is growing nicely but only a couple of blooms there too. I shook them good so we will see if they set.
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Also, for those of you who have added fish guts to the soil, have any added it before planting? I was considering adding it late this fall after the first freeze. I was wondering if adding the fish guts and letting them break down for a few months would be beneficial...
I do it all year long. I figure it'd probably be better to give the fish time to break down so the nutrients would be immediately available for young plants. Keep the area mulched and weeded so nothing undesireable uses up the fertilizer. I have a beautiful patch of Bermuda over a catfish graveyard in my garden spot right now. Think I'm gonna start using fish in the yard. One more excuse to hit the water.
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Thanks for the insight...I need to go pull some cats out of a pond at my uncle's property and figured I'd rather use the guts to fertilize my garden, rather than feed them to the hogs...
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Originally Posted By: curvytxfish
OK going to try the spanking, just have tons o bees and thought it was being taken care of, but no tomato's would sure mean ya'll are right and I shouldn't assume ...ha ha....well I am going to try this and I will let you kow how it goes...Thanks for helping
I now have around 5 dozen green tomatoes, far and away more than at any time in the past two years. Sucks to think my plants are over 6 months old and aside from a few tomatoes I got in May, these are all I have, but I'll take what I can get. I have to learn to time it better for a good spring harvest with them.
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Originally Posted By: curvytxfish
OK going to try the spanking, just have tons o bees and thought it was being taken care of, but no tomato's would sure mean ya'll are right and I shouldn't assume ...ha ha....well I am going to try this and I will let you kow how it goes...Thanks for helping
I now have around 5 dozen green tomatoes, far and away more than at any time in the past two years. Sucks to think my plants are over 6 months old and aside from a few tomatoes I got in May, these are all I have, but I'll take what I can get. I have to learn to time it better for a good spring harvest with them.
You may also need to try different varieties...I will do some research by then and see what would probably work best for you...
You can ripen those tomatoes by placing them in a box lined with newspaper, or by placing them on the windowsill (if a freeze comes before the ripened harvest)...
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I completely missed the boat on planting blackberries & strawberries - I was thinking you planted in the spring, but apparently you're supposed to plant in late September/early October. Wouldn't be a problem but, I've already put down about 6" of manure and 6" of hay to compost over the winter on my garden. If I tried to plant them, would the manure kill the plants?
I might just be outta luck as far as next year's berries
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Would like some of y'alls advice...
I completely missed the boat on planting blackberries & strawberries - I was thinking you planted in the spring, but apparently you're supposed to plant in late September/early October. Wouldn't be a problem but, I've already put down about 6" of manure and 6" of hay to compost over the winter on my garden. If I tried to plant them, would the manure kill the plants?
I might just be outta luck as far as next year's berries
I've never purposefully grown berries, but I would think you could plant them in a large container (say 1 foot tall and 1 foot, or 1.5 feet in diameter) and then transplant them later...That should give them enough room for good root development...
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Originally Posted By: mysavioreigns
Would like some of y'alls advice...
I completely missed the boat on planting blackberries & strawberries - I was thinking you planted in the spring, but apparently you're supposed to plant in late September/early October. Wouldn't be a problem but, I've already put down about 6" of manure and 6" of hay to compost over the winter on my garden. If I tried to plant them, would the manure kill the plants?
I might just be outta luck as far as next year's berries
I planted my thornless as soon as Lowe's set them out (February?). Last year they didn't do well but this year they were loaded. I'd let the compost break down for a while since you've got 4-5 months to go and they probably won't produce much that first year anyway. .
Finally got my Fall garden in last week right before the rain. Turnips, turnip greens, rutabagas, mustard greens and some more radishes. I really like cold weather radishes.
Could I plant some cabbage now? Never have tried it in the Fall.
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We're having family over tonight for a big fall harvest dinner. Our daughter gathered these up.
You have the makings of some good chow-chow (green tomato relish) there. Chop up some of everything you have with green tomatoes, and onions. Cover with vinegar, add salt and pepper, and bring to a boil. Dip it into pint jars with a slotted spoon, and place in the frig. It'll keep a year.
I went out to my garden yesterday afternoon for the first time in a while and couldn't believe how many peppers I had to pick. My habenero's made a great comeback and I picked about 25 of them along with about 40 from my other plants. Gonna do some good pickling and sauce making this weekend while rooting on the Rangers. Had a so so year but did good on our first corn plants and had some great okra and cucumbers. Melons did fairly well for the first time but didn't have a good year with the tomatoes.
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Could I plant some cabbage now? Never have tried it in the Fall.
Are you starting from seed or sets? I've had young cabbage plants take a freeze in early spring. Go for it. Worst possible scenario is that you'll find out when not to plant.
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Nice LSS.
What are those on the bottom row? I have a plant of Santa Fe Chile pepper that went the entire summer with nary a bloom, but now it's covered up. I'm up to about 100 tomatoes on the vine, but most of them a cherry or some kind of red delicious I got from Chickenman.
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Nice LSS.
What are those on the bottom row? I have a plant of Santa Fe Chile pepper that went the entire summer with nary a bloom, but now it's covered up. I'm up to about 100 tomatoes on the vine, but most of them a cherry or some kind of red delicious I got from Chickenman.
That's nuts Clown! I planted from those same seed and its been a failure. I'd post pics of my "garden" but I don't want to cry.
Next year she'll water it during early morning hours or I'll take away sex.
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You ever heard of "Gypsy" onions ? They grow little bulbs on the top of the stalks and when the stalks fall over they re-plant themselves. My dad called them "shall-owes" (maybe a French pronunciation of "shallot" ? ) but they're not shallots.
Mine died out and I've been trying to find them for years. Good strong onion flavor without the bother of seeds.
You ever heard of "Gypsy" onions ? They grow little bulbs on the top of the stalks and when the stalks fall over they re-plant themselves. My dad called them "shall-owes" (maybe a French pronunciation of "shallot" ? ) but they're not shallots.
Mine died out and I've been trying to find them for years. Good strong onion flavor without the bother of seeds.
I googled them since I have never heard of them, and found they are called by other names, maybe you can find them under one of these names. Here is a quote from another site:
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Walking onions, they're sometimes called. Or topset onions. Or tree onions. As they mature, an odd growth appears at the top of the stem, encased in a shroud that peels back like a snakeskin, revealing a clutch of small, dark-skinned bulblets that send out thin green scapes to dance on the breeze like a many-armed Indian goddess. As the bulblets grow, the weight of them bends the stem toward the soil. Where it touches, the little bulbs sprout, making a new garden for themselves, slowly but purposefully moving away from where I planted them, wandering in search of something better, or maybe just different.
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Perennial white topset onions, walking onions, Egyptian onions, winter onions, shallots, multiplier onions and scallions are common names for these onions. These onions can be planted and left in the ground year round.
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I remember reading somewhere to plant annual ryegrass in the garden over the winter to promote a more nitrogen rich soil for the spring. Any truth to that? Experiences?
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I remember reading somewhere to plant annual ryegrass in the garden over the winter to promote a more nitrogen rich soil for the spring. Any truth to that? Experiences?
Nitrogen from what I read breaks down rapidly. Thats one reason they dont test for it in a soil test. I believe the key to a nitrogen rich soil is organic decaying matter. Instead of adding a grass to your garden that you might be fighting to kill when spring comes along just add a good compost and you will get the same affect.
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I remember reading somewhere to plant annual ryegrass in the garden over the winter to promote a more nitrogen rich soil for the spring. Any truth to that? Experiences?
put some fish in the garden. I'd have to go buy them though, as I can't catch any.
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I remember reading somewhere to plant annual ryegrass in the garden over the winter to promote a more nitrogen rich soil for the spring. Any truth to that? Experiences?
put some fish in the garden. I'd have to go buy them though, as I can't catch any.
We are having our annual family get together next weekend at my uncle's land. I will be spending a lot of time (hopefully) pulling cats out of the pond. Using the meat for the annual fish fry and the remains for the garden...
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Thats a better idea IMO (decaying organic matter), adding rye grass or other type of grass may have you fighting to kill the grass all season long while your plants are growing.
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I remember reading somewhere to plant annual ryegrass in the garden over the winter to promote a more nitrogen rich soil for the spring. Any truth to that? Experiences?
put some fish in the garden. I'd have to go buy them though, as I can't catch any.
We are having our annual family get together next weekend at my uncle's land. I will be spending a lot of time (hopefully) pulling cats out of the pond. Using the meat for the annual fish fry and the remains for the garden...
Make sure and clip the fins. You don't want to step on one.
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I remember reading somewhere to plant annual ryegrass in the garden over the winter to promote a more nitrogen rich soil for the spring. Any truth to that? Experiences?
put some fish in the garden. I'd have to go buy them though, as I can't catch any.
We are having our annual family get together next weekend at my uncle's land. I will be spending a lot of time (hopefully) pulling cats out of the pond. Using the meat for the annual fish fry and the remains for the garden...
Make sure and clip the fins. You don't want to step on one.
Will do...
I pulled about 40 tomatoes and hundreds of peppers yesterday. My mom ended up taking them back to my sisters and some friends before I was able to take pictures... It's always good to see my mom, but I had planned on making pepper jelly today and that will now be put off a few more days...At least she left me 4 tomatoes for my salad...
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Possible frost advisory for Thursday night. Please watch the weather and take precautions to protect your plants. I thought this was just for the northern parts, but apparently Waco news outlets are saying it could get down to 38 around here...
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Guess it's time to pluck the rest of those peppers! Mmmm stuffed jalepenos
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Originally Posted By: txfour
I never pulled up my summer tomato plants after they quit producing. I now have about 60 tomatoes about the size of golf balls on 3 plants.
Will they ripen? How do I protect them from frost (they are 5 feet tall)?
They should. If nothing else, you can pull them, place them in a newspaper lined box and they should ripen. You can protect them by putting a sheet, blanket, tarp, etc. over the plants, just don't let them touch the plants. However, the plants are the most at risk. I was able to get vegetables after a couple of frosts last year. It was the hard freeze that took the vegetables I hadn't harvested. I just know the further north you are, the worst it seems to be...
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With the possibility of a light frost overnight, I decided to do some harvesting a day earlier than planned. We are having a huge family and friends function at my uncle's land Saturday and Sunday. These beauties will be part of the festivities...
An overhead view of the entire table:
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This morning temps got down to 38 degrees around here...I know in Joshua there was ice on the windshields and rooftops. Overnight it temperatures are once again expected to dip into the low 30's (34 is the predicted low). Some of you who have tender crops will need to cover them. I use empty 1 gallon milk/water jugs for this. Cut off the bottom and place them over the plants with the lid off. Remove them in the morning...
I will once again plant tomatoes, squash, peppers, okra, onions and cucumbers. Does anyone have any suggestions for okra? I have grown several varieties over the years and was thinking about switching things up. The soil where they will be planted is a little more rocky and they will be used as a wind break to protect the tomato plants...
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I planted 2 okra plants this past season. They got in late but still produced like mad. I believe they are Clemson Spineless The got to about 7-8 feet tall and I was harvesting everyday.
Question - Are there any summer squash varieties that can't or are less likely to be attacked by those darn vine boreres? I love me some squash and zucchini but all plants were destroyed this year and I ended the season with ONE zucc.
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I planted 2 okra plants this past season. They got in late but still produced like mad. I believe they are Clemson Spineless The got to about 7-8 feet tall and I was harvesting everyday.
Question - Are there any summer squash varieties that can't or are less likely to be attacked by those darn vine boreres? I love me some squash and zucchini but all plants were destroyed this year and I ended the season with ONE zucc.
Same here, I planted three times during the season. They were ALL lost to vine borers.
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I planted 2 okra plants this past season. They got in late but still produced like mad. I believe they are Clemson Spineless The got to about 7-8 feet tall and I was harvesting everyday.
Question - Are there any summer squash varieties that can't or are less likely to be attacked by those darn vine boreres? I love me some squash and zucchini but all plants were destroyed this year and I ended the season with ONE zucc.
Nope. The best way to deal with them is to check the back of the leaves. You will see little brown spots like those in the picture...
You can then remove the eggs from the leaf by cutting them out, or remove the whole leaf. To treat the adults, I use Sevin Dust...They are a pain in the rump...
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I've planted Clemson Spineless before and the plants got over 8 feet tall and almost as wide. That's fine, and I'll probably plant a few plants of those, but they take up a lot of space. I've also planted the Red Dwarf Okra plants and the Longhorn Okra...I just want to plant a couple of other varieties and am looking for some that worked for y'all...
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I planted 2 okra plants this past season. They got in late but still produced like mad. I believe they are Clemson Spineless The got to about 7-8 feet tall and I was harvesting everyday.
Question - Are there any summer squash varieties that can't or are less likely to be attacked by those darn vine boreres? I love me some squash and zucchini but all plants were destroyed this year and I ended the season with ONE zucc.
Nope. The best way to deal with them is to check the back of the leaves. You will see little brown spots like those in the picture...
You can then remove the eggs from the leaf by cutting them out, or remove the whole leaf. To treat the adults, I use Sevin Dust...They are a pain in the rump...
I believe what you posted is the squash bug/stink bug and not the squash vine borer. The vine borer eggs are mainly on the stems close to the dirt. If you remove them dont just flick them in to the dirt, they will still hatch. They usually feed on the plant for a while then exit the stem and go into the ground a few inches and make a cocoon and overwinter.
This is what lays the eggs. They are the debil....
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That vine borer is the little bastéd I saw flying around my garden. I shall declare war on those little bastages next year.
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Originally Posted By: DHFisher
I planted 2 okra plants this past season. They got in late but still produced like mad. I believe they are Clemson Spineless The got to about 7-8 feet tall and I was harvesting everyday.
Question - Are there any summer squash varieties that can't or are less likely to be attacked by those darn vine boreres? I love me some squash and zucchini but all plants were destroyed this year and I ended the season with ONE zucc.
Nope. The best way to deal with them is to check the back of the leaves. You will see little brown spots like those in the picture...
You can then remove the eggs from the leaf by cutting them out, or remove the whole leaf. To treat the adults, I use Sevin Dust...They are a pain in the rump...
I believe what you posted is the squash bug/stink bug and not the squash vine borer. The vine borer eggs are mainly on the stems close to the dirt. If you remove them dont just flick them in to the dirt, they will still hatch. They usually feed on the plant for a while then exit the stem and go into the ground a few inches and make a cocoon and overwinter.
This is what lays the eggs. They are the debil....
Thank you for posting that...I haven't seen those before. I have the squash bugs I posted...I'll keep my eyes open for the other suckers...Then I'll send them to JDavis...
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I wanted to let y'all know a way to freeze some of your access peppers...
Slice the peppers into strips and rinse them off. Dab them dry with a paper towel and then place them on a paper plate in the freezer for 15 - 20 minutes. Then take the individual strips and stick them in freezer bags. This should keep the slices separated and good for use in the future...
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vacuum sealer works good for me.
Hey LSS, I decided to pull all remaining vegetables today and now have a sink full of green tomatoes. How long will it take them to ripen in cardboard boxes or whatever?
Will all green tomatoes eventually ripen?
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Hey LSS, I decided to pull all remaining vegetables today and now have a sink full of green tomatoes. How long will it take them to ripen in cardboard boxes or whatever?
Will all green tomatoes eventually ripen?
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I believe they should , it might help also if you put them into some paper sacks. I remember reading that it helps to put some ripe veggies in also. Something about the chemicals coming off the ripe ones will help push the green ones along. BUT, dont forget fried green tomatoes . Man , my mouth is watering thinking about them,lol. I think some one also posted a recipe for "chow chow" made with green tomatoes.
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Anyone know how to get rid of aphids??? Little suckers have invaded my peas and butterbeans. I had a bunch of ladybugs out there at one time but now they are gone. I guess the birds finally got them all.
Anyone know how to get rid of aphids??? Little suckers have invaded my peas and butterbeans. I had a bunch of ladybugs out there at one time but now they are gone. I guess the birds finally got them all.
Ladybugs again, that's the best way. Unless you have a HUGE garden where they can breed and hide, you have to put ladybugs out at least twice a year.
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Anyone know how to get rid of aphids??? Little suckers have invaded my peas and butterbeans. I had a bunch of ladybugs out there at one time but now they are gone. I guess the birds finally got them all.
Do you have ants all over the place, they will farm the aphids. Aphids are attracted to plants with a lot of nitrogen , peas and butterbeans being nitrogen producing plants. Best treatment will be this IMO.
1 cup vegetable or white mineral oil 2 cups water 2 teaspoons dish soap (without bleach) or Murphy’s soap
Spray this homemade aphid control mixture ("ON THE APHIDS"), NOT THE ENTIRE PLANT, every few days until the aphids recede. This home remedy to get rid of aphids will suffocate the aphids. Make sure that plants that are treated with this solution are keptout of direct sunlight as the oil may magnify the sunlight and burn the plants.
Also, spray the plants with a blast of water , concentrating on stems and under leaves. Spray the plants with enough pressure to knock the bugs off but not to kill the plant. This will help greatly... This will eliminate Aphids with out harsh chemcials.
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Okay, this year is almost winding down...I'm starting to plan my garden for next year...I'm not sure if I'll plant onions for the upcoming growing season, but I am looking at putting some different varieties of cucumbers in the space normally reserved for onions...I like the heirloom Lemon Cucumbers and the Crunchy Munchers...Both of these grow on the standard vine. I'd like to try some bush plant cucumbers. Has anyone grown these, and if so, which ones turned out the best for you?
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Okay, this year is almost winding down...I'm starting to plan my garden for next year...I'm not sure if I'll plant onions for the upcoming growing season, but I am looking at putting some different varieties of cucumbers in the space normally reserved for onions...I like the heirloom Lemon Cucumbers and the Crunchy Munchers...Both of these grow on the standard vine. I'd like to try some bush plant cucumbers. Has anyone grown these, and if so, which ones turned out the best for you?
I love lemon cucumbers. I helped my grandparents grow these up in the Panhandle and they were probably my favorite veggie out of the garden.
Just moved to the North Texas area and I'm ready to grow some things down here. I'm limited in backyard space so it looks like I'll have to research doing some container gardening.
Okay, this year is almost winding down...I'm starting to plan my garden for next year...I'm not sure if I'll plant onions for the upcoming growing season, but I am looking at putting some different varieties of cucumbers in the space normally reserved for onions...I like the heirloom Lemon Cucumbers and the Crunchy Munchers...Both of these grow on the standard vine. I'd like to try some bush plant cucumbers. Has anyone grown these, and if so, which ones turned out the best for you?
I love lemon cucumbers. I helped my grandparents grow these up in the Panhandle and they were probably my favorite veggie out of the garden.
Just moved to the North Texas area and I'm ready to grow some things down here. I'm limited in backyard space so it looks like I'll have to research doing some container gardening.
I did a little experiment this season with some containers and I was impressed. In the summer though it would not hurt if you could bury the container to insulate the roots from the extreme heat. Heres a good link on soil. http://www.organicgardeningguru.com/soil-care.html
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Well guys and gals, this is my final harvest from 2010. Well, I still have some Tabasco peppers, but I'm not picking them tonight...
I had to stand in a chair to get that picture...That's the chain from the ceiling fan dangling there in the picture, not some new variety of lighted peppers (although how cool would that be?).
In addition to the peppers, there were 6.5 plastic bags (like what you get at the grocery store) full of tomatoes harvested today...I didn't wash or photograph those because I'm tired...It took 2 hours just to wash the peppers...
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Very nice, Frank...
My mom was down this weekend and with the upcoming freeze at the end of the week, I decided it was time to just do a final harvest and be done with it...I am very grateful she was here to help, because there is no way I would have been able to get it all done by myself...At least not in one day...Almost 14 grocery bags full of vegetables came out of there...Hours were spent picking them...Besides, our water bill reset on Friday, so this way, I won't have any water usage that isn't for the household...
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I'm going to try putting the "Wall of Water" (vinyl tubes full of water in a cone shape) over my tomatoes I planted in September. They may not produce but I just might get a good jump on next year. I've had pepper plants survive late freezes with sleet so it's worth a shot.
I'm going to try putting the "Wall of Water" (vinyl tubes full of water in a cone shape) over my tomatoes I planted in September. They may not produce but I just might get a good jump on next year. I've had pepper plants survive late freezes with sleet so it's worth a shot.
Try making a small green house around the plants. A few sticks and some clear plastic sheeting should work. Doesnt need to be fancy.
I tilled my soil last night and added a few bails of hay. Also got some soil to send off for a soil test to try and get a head start on the new season.
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That's basically what these are. It's a 24" tall ring of 2" diameter soft vinyl tubes. You know those "popsicles" (plastic bags of colored sugar water)you put in the freezer? Think of 30 of those glued together. You fill the individual tubes with water . Fill 'em up all the way and it closes over the plant, let some water out and the "teepee" opens up. The water warms up in the sun and slowly releases it's heat overnight.
I've been using them in the spring for years. Excellent for late frosts. I've had tomato plants get bit down to where the plastic starts but everything inside is fine ; even with sleet or snow. The only problem is that warm, humid interior attracts fire ants.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
That's basically what these are. It's a 24" tall ring of 2" diameter soft vinyl tubes. You know those "popsicles" (plastic bags of colored sugar water)you put in the freezer? Think of 30 of those glued together. You fill the individual tubes with water . Fill 'em up all the way and it closes over the plant, let some water out and the "teepee" opens up. The water warms up in the sun and slowly releases it's heat overnight.
I've been using them in the spring for years. Excellent for late frosts. I've had tomato plants get bit down to where the plastic starts but everything inside is fine ; even with sleet or snow. The only problem is that warm, humid interior attracts fire ants.
where do you get those "walls of water" things? I've seen them, but they looked kind of expensive, $3-4 a piece.
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where do you get those "walls of water" things? I've seen them, but they looked kind of expensive, $3-4 a piece.
I believe I ordered my first ones from "Gardener's Supply Inc." (?) but I've found them at Home Depot and local plant stores. They last several years as long as you don't leave 'em out in the heat of summer (the glue seperating the tubes tends to break down in high UV light).
You could probably get the same effect by making a Saran Wrap cover and putting several milk jugs full of water inside.
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Looks like there could be a hard freeze tonight/tomorrow morning further south and east than the last one...Y'all may want to cover/harvest your plants and remember to protect your pipes...
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That's not too bad. Earlier they were saying 23 to 26...Not that they are ever right, but still...
If one gets out of the concrete jungle that holds heat, 23 to 26 is probably more realistic.
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It was 29 at 10:00 last night in Hillsboro and 30 in Burleson...I am thankful I drained the pipes at the houses down at the lake...I know they got a hard freeze down there...
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Since Christmas is around the corner, those of you who do a lot of gardening/yard work may want to ask for some Radius Garden tools. I have the shovel and I LOVE it...I've used it for digging holes for large trees and crepe myrtles and for removing the pepper and tomato plants from my garden...The handle is at a great height for me so I can use it as leverage when I have to bend down to pick up plants.
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My broccoli and cauliflower is in. I had maybe a half pound of frozen shrimp, and some kind of pasta shells. I just boiled it all together for a around whatever, and poured in store bought Alfredo sauce. It was great. I make my own marinara in the summer when my tomatoes are in. It's great, but what-the-heck, so is store bought. I think they're about as cost effective. Do you use them? Which ones?
I know I'm way early here and this may be somewhere in the 55 pages of the thread so far, but when do you guys start your tomato plants indoors? I read somewhere that you should have 6 - 8 week old tomato plants in the ground by march, covered by row covers to protect from late frosts. That would mean starting them indoors in late Jan or early Feb. That seems too early to me.
Where would a guy take his soil to be tested ? I started a new garden last year and it did not do to well.
I would go with the link LSS gave you. The soil test you buy at the store are a waste of money IMO. I have bought about 5 packs and got different readings everytime. If you send the soil off you will have it LAB tested and results back to you in about a week.
I have a 16 feet by 32 feet raised garden and was wanting a very small tiller, I checked into the Mantis but they are expensive, anyone have one or know of one for sale ?
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I have a 16 feet by 32 feet raised garden and was wanting a very small tiller, I checked into the Mantis but they are expensive, anyone have one or know of one for sale ?
There's several makes of those small tillers that are cheaper. Look at Sears , Tractor Supply and Wal-Mart when the sales are on if you want a new one. Better get busy though 'cause gardening season is right around the corner ( and the prices will go up). Isn't there a huge flea market in Grand Prairie ? You might also try "First Sunday" in Canton.
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Originally Posted By: Happykamper
I have a 16 feet by 32 feet raised garden and was wanting a very small tiller, I checked into the Mantis but they are expensive, anyone have one or know of one for sale ?
There's several makes of those small tillers that are cheaper. Look at Sears , Tractor Supply and Wal-Mart when the sales are on if you want a new one. Better get busy though 'cause gardening season is right around the corner ( and the prices will go up). Isn't there a huge flea market in Grand Prairie ? You might also try "First Sunday" in Canton.
Some of those have some pretty poor reviews, so read the user reviews before buying one...
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Some of those have some pretty poor reviews, so read the user reviews before buying one...
I really don't remember which one I have . Some friends borrowed it a few years ago . I know I got it mail order so it might be the Mantis. It got a short in it where it would shock just a bit and it's not powerful enough to break up new plots but other than that it was fine for the type of application Happycamper is talking about. I used it for tilling in compost/ whatever in flowerbeds and weeding the veggies.
If you want a hoss , now, get a Craftsman 6 HP rear-tine. That sucker will dig up wet clay.
Thanks for the input guys, I do not need anything big, the soil in my raised garden is not compacted at all, I am sure I could just rake it by hand but I thought one of those miniature tillers would be the ticket.
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Hi gang. I am new to this thread. I have not had a garden or so much as aflower bed for nearly 5 years. To make a long story short I've been in a rent house. It was too painful to think about planting stuff and then moving on. An I am a houseplant killer. (There are wanted dead or alive signs of me up at the postoffice in Plantland.) We move in two weeks and I can't wait! Ya see I'm really a planthead. I was a perennial grower for a big plant farm in East Texas for years. I loved it. Our new place has plenty of room for gardening and some nice beds for perennials and it will be my home for years and years so I am ready to get after it. Perennials are my first love and I love herbs nearly as much. (I'm sure to do some simple veggies too.) If anybody has any extra seed or plant starts I would truly be grateful. I used to thin my perennials out every spring so I hope you don't think I'm being greedy or anything. I'll pass along anything I have coming up in my beds when spring hits. Anyway, I look forward to spending some happy hours in this thread. Happy growing!!
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Good to have you in the nieghborhood! I do'nt know exactly where Boyd is, but I'm assuming the Dallas area. I've found winter crops to be more "friendly". I still garden year around, but each summer I get more discouraged with the insect wars. Stink bugs, squash bugs, aphids, white flies... you get the picture. Then about the time I get a good crop of tomatoes set, it turns off hot aaargh! I gotta stop before I talk myself out of a spring garden. If starting from seed, it's time for tomatoes and peppers. I usually put transplants in 1 gal. pots as soon as good specimens show up at the nurseries, mid Feb. Then plant in the ground around Spring break. I'm located on a line with San Antonio and Del Rio, so right now I've got spinach, turnips, beets, english peas, carrots, dill, and parsley. Even pulled some green beans through a couple of the first frosts and had them for X-mas dinner. I've got a few white flies but, they are'nt doing any significant damage. All of the se crops, with the exception of the beans, are cold hardy crops. May be a little late or early for these depending on where your at. Lots of good information here. Been kinda slow lately, but things should heat up soon.
Had a question for chipper/shredder owners or anyone that might know. I have been making good amounts of compost with just a hoe and a big kitchen knife. And this winter I have been using my mower to cut up all the bags of leaves I collect each week, with good results. But I have been considering getting a used chipper/shredder just so I could make more/faster compost. Do any of you guys use a chipper/shredder in your compost making and if so, would you recommend one or not? Thanks very much for any thoughts.
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Congratulations ! I love burying my hands in freshly turned dirt. If you ever come to Sandlin , Monticello or Cypress Springs gimme a holler. I've got a good variety of daylillies , cannas and iris that I'll be glad to divide .
Hi gang. I am new to this thread. I have not had a garden or so much as aflower bed for nearly 5 years. To make a long story short I've been in a rent house. It was too painful to think about planting stuff and then moving on. An I am a houseplant killer. (There are wanted dead or alive signs of me up at the postoffice in Plantland.) We move in two weeks and I can't wait! Ya see I'm really a planthead. I was a perennial grower for a big plant farm in East Texas for years. I loved it. Our new place has plenty of room for gardening and some nice beds for perennials and it will be my home for years and years so I am ready to get after it. Perennials are my first love and I love herbs nearly as much. (I'm sure to do some simple veggies too.) If anybody has any extra seed or plant starts I would truly be grateful. I used to thin my perennials out every spring so I hope you don't think I'm being greedy or anything. I'll pass along anything I have coming up in my beds when spring hits. Anyway, I look forward to spending some happy hours in this thread. Happy growing!!
If you want some vegetable seeds I got some you can have. PM me your address and I'll put them in the snail mail sometime soon. It's seed I've got left over from last years garden so it should still be good.
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Question for container gardeners or algebra brains. I've got several whiskey barrel liners and other really large pots. How do I figure how much soil goes in each one by measuring the pot?
Most pots are cylinders or are cylinder-ish, and there is a simple math equation to figure out the volume of a cylinder: volume of cylinder= pi * radius squared * height Let's break that down: you first figure out the area of a circle, which is pi (3.14) multiplied by the radius squared. Containers are generally sold by diameter - so an 18" pot is 18" diameter at the top, and it is that circle whose area we'll calculate. Most containers taper so that the bottom is smaller than the top, but for the sake of estimating, it's easiest to pretend your container is the same diameter throughout. The radius is half of the diameter, so the radius of an 18" pot is 9". That means the radius squared - 9" multiplied by 9" - is 81". We'll multiply that by pi, rounded to a convenient 3.14 which gives us 254.34 square inches - that's the area of the circle, or the surface, of the container. Now we need to multiply that by the height of the container. Let's say that our 18" pot is 14" high:
254.34 square inches x 14 inches = 3560.76 cubic inches
When we multiplied by the height, we went from square inches to cubic inches, so the volume of our 18" wide, 14" high pot is 3560.76 cubic inches.
But potting mix isn't sold in cubic inches - it's sold in dry quarts or cubic feet. So we need to convert our result into a relevant number by dividing it by the number of cubic inches contained in one:
quart - 67.2 cubic inches per dry quart or cubic foot - 1728 cubic inches per cubic foot
(you can use this handy site to do the converting for you if you'd like)
So to fill one 18" wide, 14" high container, we'll need 52.98 quarts or 2.06 cubic feet of potting mix.
If you have a square or rectangular container, just find the area of the top surface by multiplying the length times the width, then multiply that result by the height of the container.
Add up the volumes of all the containers you need to fill to know how much potting mix you'll need to buy. Remember that estimates are on the generous side, especially for tapered containers, and that they don't allow for the space that the roots will take up or the 1-2" space you'll leave at the top for watering.
Buy a small amount and fill one of the containers. Take note how much soil it took to fill. Then if the other containers are the same size you should be able to figure how many bags you need.
Is it time to plant onions? I figure it should be close.
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Is it time to plant onions? I figure it should be close.
That's a tough call for your area. I'd probably wait until after Valentine's Day. The reason being if we get a couple more cycles of freezing/warm/freezing/warm, it's going to hinder their growth and it would be difficult for you to get any good sized onions...
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i just put some peas, beets, and radishes out yesterday but it got pretty cold at night so they are suffering a little. my mother in law has a friend who gave me 20 blackberry cuttings and root sets so i planted them all over the place on fence lines. i guess next month i will start some other vegies.
Sure, Turning the dirt wont hurt anything. If you have some critters that have burrowed in the soil , tilling and the next cold blast should take care of them. Try tilling in some organic matter also.
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Like Tin Head, stated, it won't hurt to turn the soil. I plan on turning the soil tomorrow before the rains and letting the worms go back down before the next freeze...
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LSS, what tomato brand do you recomend for a garden area that sees little sun. I had very healthy plants last year, but very little fruit. I assume it is due to the lack of sun.
95 percent of my yard is coved by shade from Live and Red Oak Trees.
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Homestead (medium to large tomatoes), Early Girl, Lemon Boys and the Texas 100 (small cherry tomatoes) would probably do okay. It's probably not just from a lack of sun, but a lack of movement. You need to shake those plants every day, or every other day, and thunder really helps to get things going...
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Shake the plants? Never heard of that. I'll keep that in mind this year, thanks.
Most people call it spanking 'em. Basically, I grab the tallest vine and shake it. Not too hard, as you don't want to break the vine. Both tomato and pepper plants need vibration, either by the wind, a lost honey bee, thunder, or someone shaking them, to pollinate.
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I'm sold. Now that I think about it, I did not hand water much last year. I had the sprinklers back there set to go off every other day because I was lazy. Most years I hand water with a rain head sprinkler, which moves the plants around some what. The sprinkler system does not.
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Yep. I hand water early in the spring until the plants and tomatoes are too big for me to walk through. I spank the plants every other day while I'm watering. I use an overhead sprinkler after that to keep the plants alive and the tomatoes growing. It gets awful hot awful early come summer, but that sprinkler doesn't seem to mind.
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i lost the beets and radishes due to freezing but i have lettuce and onions doing nicly under a blanket of much. i need to start some carrots, cucumbers, beets and radishes agin this weekend. my garden is small becaus it is fenced in to protect it from goats, chickens and others but after i get rid of the goats i will make it larger.
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Gonzz, welcome to the Gardening Thread. North Haven Gardens in Dallas should have the expanded shale. I would be willing to bet if they don't have compost, they can tell you how to get your hands on it...
Gonzz, welcome to the Gardening Thread. North Haven Gardens in Dallas should have the expanded shale. I would be willing to bet if they don't have compost, they can tell you how to get your hands on it...
I picked up a Ellis County Master Gardener Calender at a local rock place and started to read it. It say you should add expanded shale and compost. I looked it up and it help if your soil sticks to itself like my mud sticky soil. It's like cut up rock that let's the plant roots get more air and get bigger and better plants.
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What's "expanded shale" ?
Well, it's the opposite of contracted shale.
It's something you can add to the soil to help maintain air in the soil. Say you have a flood or a massive brain belch and forget to shut off the water, expanded shale will still maintain an air pocket of 30% that the plants' roots can draw needed air to keep from drowning...It's similar to vermiculite, except it starts off like rounded rock and keeps it's smooth round appearance, but it expands...
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What's "expanded shale" ?
Well, it's the opposite of contracted shale.
Thanks, smart a$$.;)
It's something you can add to the soil to help maintain air in the soil. Say you have a flood or a massive brain belch and forget to shut off the water, expanded shale will still maintain an air pocket of 30% that the plants' roots can draw needed air to keep from drowning...It's similar to vermiculite, except it starts off like rounded rock and keeps it's smooth round appearance, but it expands...
Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
What's "expanded shale" ?
Well, it's the opposite of contracted shale.
Thanks, smart a$$.;)
It's something you can add to the soil to help maintain air in the soil. Say you have a flood or a massive brain belch and forget to shut off the water, expanded shale will still maintain an air pocket of 30% that the plants' roots can draw needed air to keep from drowning...It's similar to vermiculite, except it starts off like rounded rock and keeps it's smooth round appearance, but it expands...
Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?
Not really. I've lost a couple of gardens in the past to heavy floods. Although sand can help with draining, sometimes, there's just too much water. I remember getting over 10 inches of rain in a matter of hours in 2005. I had to replant that garden and I was not happy...
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I'm trying container gardening this year. I built a small plywood deck in a corner of the back yard that gets sun all day and loaded it up with the biggest pots I could find ( whiskey barrel liners, rubbermaid containers , large planters , etc.) , filled them with Stay-Green and Miracle-Gro mixes for veggies and planted onions, spinach , lettuce , icicle radishes and turnip greens today. We'll see how it goes.
I plan on growing all my chilis in containers since I like the shorter varieties such as habs and thais and it's a lot easier to keep the weeds / fire ants out when they're potted.
The main garden will be dedicated to squash , corn , tomatoes and maybe some purple hulls or black-eyes this summer. I'm hoping the asparagus really takes off as I buried several fish carcasses around it this last year.
I always leave a few watermelons and cucumbers on the fence so they've been pretty good about re-seeding themselves for the past couple of years. Hoping the cantalopes will "volunteer" as well.
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Ist time gardener, what do i plant and when,, small 4x 10' double 4x4 area.
But i do have good soil,, it is in a built up area pm me please
You're describing a raised bed 4' x 8' x 8" high, right ? I've yet to do raised beds but my understanding is that you can really pack the plants in there as long as they don't shade each other and you supply plenty of water and fertilizer.
I plant onions and greens in anything but blizzard conditions. I generally wait until after Easter to plant the tender veggies like corn, tomatoes, peppers, squash, etc. but Easter is April 24th this year so I'll probably move that up a couple of weeks .
I direct-seed melons and okra around the first of May.
I have a huge problem with Johnson grass in my garden area. What do y'all suggest for control of this invasive species? Is there any pre-emergent that can be applied to aid in the prevention of Johnson grass?
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I have a huge problem with Johnson grass in my garden area. What do y'all suggest for control of this invasive species? Is there any pre-emergent that can be applied to aid in the prevention of Johnson grass?
I've never used pre-emergents in a vegetable garden but I was a fan of Round Up *tm until I did some heavy reading on it this past summer. You could always cover the plot with clear plastic and let the sun kill everything (including weed seeds/ roots , beneficial bacteria and nematodes , etc. ) in the soil but sterile earth isn't the best way to grow food (IMO). Try a spray bottle full of 5 % white vinegar. The warmer and drier it is , the better it works (and there's no residual toxins in your garden).
So I planted a bunch of seeds in one of those Jiffy greenhouse trays you can get from wal-mart. Things have sprouted. When do I take them from the green house and put them in a pot in the sun in the house?
So far my cucumbers and cherry maters have come up with about 1" stems.
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Lowe's has several varieties of peppers now. I bought serranos, habaneros and cubanelles today. They carry a "mexibell" that's a small hot bell pepper. Really good stuffed.
The "greens" garden (in containers) is doing really well. I'm eating fresh turnip greens , lettuce and spinach . The onions are about 8" high and the potatoes are starting to break the surface. Freakin' rabbits haven't figured out how to get up in the containers so this may become an annual practice.
Hope everybody covered all their stuff up tonight. Looks like we may get a freeze.
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Cubanelles are my favorite pepper. Sucks I didn't get many last year. I'm trying to start some of them from seeds, but of all the peppers I've tried, those are the most stubborn about sprouting.
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Cubanelles are my favorite pepper. Sucks I didn't get many last year. I'm trying to start some of them from seeds, but of all the peppers I've tried, those are the most stubborn about sprouting.
Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?
I am expanding the garden this year, and needed something to break up this clay soil I have. I was at Ace Hardware the other day, and saw expanded shale in bags for sale, these bags were about the size of two loaves of bread, and they were over $6.00 apiece!!
I went to Living Earth in Lancaster, and asked the guy about sand to improve the drainage in clay soil, and he had a mixture that looks to be about 50/50 expanded shale/compost, for $50 a yard. That sounded a lot better to me. Yes, they will sell it in half yards, which makes it easier on my Dodge Dakota. (I think you actually get more than a yard when you buy it by the half yard, I think the bucket they used was 1 yard, and it was well over half full each time they loaded my truck.) The info he has on it was written by a guy at the Dallas Arboretum, and recommends about a 4" depth of this mixture tilled into the clay. Ask me at the end of the year how it worked out, I just finished tilling it in.
I also put compost and expanded shale in my garden this year. It changed the feel of the soil right away after tilled.
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Kinda like the water absorbing crystals in reverse , huh ? Cool. How much is it ? Wouldn't it be just as effective to add more organic matter or sand ?
I am expanding the garden this year, and needed something to break up this clay soil I have. I was at Ace Hardware the other day, and saw expanded shale in bags for sale, these bags were about the size of two loaves of bread, and they were over $6.00 apiece!!
I went to Living Earth in Lancaster, and asked the guy about sand to improve the drainage in clay soil, and he had a mixture that looks to be about 50/50 expanded shale/compost, for $50 a yard. That sounded a lot better to me. Yes, they will sell it in half yards, which makes it easier on my Dodge Dakota. (I think you actually get more than a yard when you buy it by the half yard, I think the bucket they used was 1 yard, and it was well over half full each time they loaded my truck.) The info he has on it was written by a guy at the Dallas Arboretum, and recommends about a 4" depth of this mixture tilled into the clay. Ask me at the end of the year how it worked out, I just finished tilling it in.
Anybody ever used any of the Topsy Turvy carp? My kid has been bugging me the last few years to get one and the HEB in Burleson had Topsy Turvy Hot Pepper Planters clearanced out at $2 so I bought a couple. I am going to try putting some sugar snap peas in them for him.
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Anybody ever used any of the Topsy Turvy carp? My kid has been bugging me the last few years to get one and the HEB in Burleson had Topsy Turvy Hot Pepper Planters clearanced out at $2 so I bought a couple. I am going to try putting some sugar snap peas in them for him.
I never had much luck with the ones that had the single hole on the bottom but I tried the one made for peppers last year. I planted a six-pack of habs in the sides and they didn't do well at all but the cucumbers I planted in the top did really well. It might be due to location but I'm betting that you'd probably do better with a large planter .
Anybody ever used any of the Topsy Turvy carp? My kid has been bugging me the last few years to get one and the HEB in Burleson had Topsy Turvy Hot Pepper Planters clearanced out at $2 so I bought a couple. I am going to try putting some sugar snap peas in them for him.
I never had much luck with the ones that had the single hole on the bottom but I tried the one made for peppers last year. I planted a six-pack of habs in the sides and they didn't do well at all but the cucumbers I planted in the top did really well. It might be due to location but I'm betting that you'd probably do better with a large planter .
So am I but the Kiddo wanted these. I figured peas would be about the fastest grown thing in them for him. If they stay watered I am thinking 6'-7' of peas hanging down will at least look impressive. Kinda interested to see how they do with gravity feeding water to the pods instead of capillary action. I am also putting out some in the ground climbing a stake.
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i thought this got deleted...i'll be having my first year of not growing anything thanks to a move to a shallow rocky area and no desire to do any small gardening type stuff, so i may have to live vicariously thru y'all.
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i thought this got deleted...i'll be having my first year of not growing anything thanks to a move to a shallow rocky area and no desire to do any small gardening type stuff, so i may have to live vicariously thru y'all.
Spend 1 summer taking out a loan and buying the stuff at the grocery store. You will find a way to make it work next year.
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i'll have some property by the end of this year (i hope)...just temporarily in town till i can find a place...or i'll be moving elsewhere. living in town for 6 months is about all i can handle.
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i thought this got deleted...i'll be having my first year of not growing anything thanks to a move to a shallow rocky area and no desire to do any small gardening type stuff, so i may have to live vicariously thru y'all.
You'd be suprised how many turnip greens you can grow in a 50 gallon container.
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I haven't tried the expanded shale but I've heard it's pretty good. I second the compost suggestion. If you've got access to plenty of leaves,wood chips , manure (watch the nitrogen levels) , a truckload of topsoil , pretty much anything organic , you can till it in and help build up the soil.
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DF, Canadian Peat Moss will also help quite a bit...At the end of the growing season, till in some leaves and add a bunch of red worms, or night crawlers....
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clay is good...it holds a lot of nutrients and a lot of fruits and vegetables will grow very well in clay soil especially if you've been adding compost, other materials, or just sand to lighten the texture.
adding compost or other materials is not a one time thing...you will need to do it 1 to 2 times a year (at least once deep plowed). the reason for this is not that clay soil causes problems for root growth, but it does form shallow compaction zones more easily than sandier textures, which do restrict root growth. in fact, potatoes can do exceptionally well in clay soil.
most soils are ammended with compost to help add nutrients and water holding capacity, but since you have clay those things are already there.
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I have some old dry leaves I can rake up and add in. Sand helps how? I've added in some top soil and some other stuff I had to in a couple of places, but this stuff really holds moisure. I watered probably going on 3 weeks ago and as I turn it over, from about 2 inches down, it still clumps together.
It's tough turning it over and braking the clods. If I don't break them up, once they are in the sun, for a couple of days, the clods practically turn into rock. These things are fist size and very, very solid.
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sounds like you've probably got a vertisol. clay that heavy can be hard to work with (easy to mess up i.e. letting get to wet or to dry can ruin a crop). sand will take your texture from clay to sandy clay, sandy clay loam, clay loam, loam, loamy sand, etc. depending on how much you add. and organic matter can always help the incorporation. once this is done you should have better drainage but still good water holding capacity and retain your nutrients. this will make it easier to manage and prevent cracks as well as the hard clods if you can get it to a loamy texture to 6+ inches. on large scale opperations it takes a very skilled manager to work with these soils (changing the texture not feasable).
i would also suggest starting a compost pile now and it will be ready for next year.
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DF, Canadian Peat Moss will also help quite a bit...At the end of the growing season, till in some leaves and add a bunch of red worms, or night crawlers....
Will nightcrawlers live through the summer down here? I usually put leftover worms in the gardens but I feed the crawlers to the bluegills. If they'll make it I'll start putting them to work.
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DF, Canadian Peat Moss will also help quite a bit...At the end of the growing season, till in some leaves and add a bunch of red worms, or night crawlers....
Will nightcrawlers live through the summer down here? I usually put leftover worms in the gardens but I feed the crawlers to the bluegills. If they'll make it I'll start putting them to work.
Mine do, but my garden has some nice shade...It's fun to till your garden and see the new ones coming along...Unless you've just cut one in half. Then you might feel a bit guilty, but you'll get over it.
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Mine do, but my garden has some nice shade...It's fun to till your garden and see the new ones coming along...Unless you've just cut one in half. Then you might feel a bit guilty, but you'll get over it.
I cut 'em in pieces for bream . I think I'll be ok.
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Mine do, but my garden has some nice shade...It's fun to till your garden and see the new ones coming along...Unless you've just cut one in half. Then you might feel a bit guilty, but you'll get over it.
I cut 'em in pieces for bream . I think I'll be ok.
I don't know, I heard somewhere that you were a PETA supporter...
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nothing wrong with peta...just the oh so many nut jobs associated with them.
i know a guy that was a member of peta, nra, ducks unlimited, world somethin or other, and other things that i thought (at the time) contradicted each other.
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Just put my tomato and pepper seedlings outside in my raised garden last weekend. I know it's still a little cold outside but I've got a row cover on it so they're warmer at night. No transfer shock that I can see so I'm hoping they'll take off soon.
By the way - anyone here use drip irrigation? I got a little blight on my tomatoes last year and think it might have been due to my hand watering hitting the lower leaves and them not drying. I'm thinking maybe a drip irrigation system will help avoid it. Plus then I can put it on a timer. Anyone have any suggestions for a kit? I've just got a small 4'x8' raised bed.
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By the way - anyone here use drip irrigation? I got a little blight on my tomatoes last year and think it might have been due to my hand watering hitting the lower leaves and them not drying. I'm thinking maybe a drip irrigation system will help avoid it. Plus then I can put it on a timer. Anyone have any suggestions for a kit? I've just got a small 4'x8' raised bed.
I built a framework , suspended the main pipe from it then ran the smaller hoses down to where the drippers were at the base of each plant. You can't beat 'em for water conservation. Helps keep the weeds down as well by watering only what you want to water. Wal-Mart has a small flower/veggie garden kit that should be just fine for what you want. Lowe's and HD carry all the parts (maybe the kits). Be sure and get a "water-pressure reducer" that goes between your hose and the drip kit.
Just put my tomato and pepper seedlings outside in my raised garden last weekend. I know it's still a little cold outside but I've got a row cover on it so they're warmer at night. No transfer shock that I can see so I'm hoping they'll take off soon.
Thanks Jeff. In my yard I have 2 8x8 plots and 1 16x16 plot. At my school (I am a teacher), I have 1 30x30 plot. This one has drip irrigation.
Here is another photo of my yard. I added the last 8x8 yesterday.
Going back to night crawlers. I bought to plastic buckets last year and put them in three different beds that had regular topsoil and some other kind of garden soil I bought in them. All of this was over the clayish soil. I don't believe they survived, never saw them again and I used no herbicides or fertilizers on those beds.
One produced probably 5 or 6 quart size plastic bags of green beans.
I'll try to mix some sand in and see what happens.
Corn last year was a joke in the sandy part of the garden on the north end. It might have got to 3 feet tall if you tugged on the stalk a little bit.
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Corn last year was a joke in the sandy part of the garden on the north end. It might have got to 3 feet tall if you tugged on the stalk a little bit.
IMO , corn's a pretty heavy feeder. The more feretilizer you can get near the roots , the better. You might want to test your soil to see if it's deficient in anything. Did it make silk and ears but just not grow very tall ?
You might want to try planting climbing beans or peas in your corn patch. They help by taking nitrogen from the air and depositing it in their roots (and the surrounding soil). Don't throw away anything when you clean fish, either. Bury everything in your garden for fertilizer.
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Have you guys in the DFW area started planting tomatoes and peppers yet? I've seen at Sutherlands in Ft Worth that they have sets of 6 plants for $1.99. I think it's early but for that price I'll probably give it a shot.
Also, it is my mission this year to destroy vine borers and actually harvest some squashes!
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you can start a couple hundred tomatoe and pepper plants for 1.99 if you start from seed...
Yeah, thank God I have absolutely no use for a couple hundred tomato plants! That would require entirely too much work.
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Have you guys in the DFW area started planting tomatoes and peppers yet? I've seen at Sutherlands in Ft Worth that they have sets of 6 plants for $1.99. I think it's early but for that price I'll probably give it a shot.
Also, it is my mission this year to destroy vine borers and actually harvest some squashes!
Go for it . Keep a few plastic milk jugs around just in case.
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Sutherlands in Ft Worth has some tomatoes right now. I think I remember seeing celebrity and a couple others that are of the very large tomato varieties. They also have squash and banana peppers. They all come in packs of 6 plants for $1.39. FYI
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We have produce!!!!!!!!! One 1/4 " tomato and one .5 centimeter serrano !
Kidding aside though, had a nice salad of "Buttercrunch" lettuce , turnip greens , spinach , "Daikon" radish and green onions with a big bowl of last year's tomato soup for supper last night. Container gardens rock.
Lord willing , I'm planting corn,sunflowers,cukes, cantalopes and squash this weekend.
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Awful quiet here . Nobody gardening this year ?
I have my garden in and have a 3 inch Banana Pepper currently trying to fatten up. I planted: peas, sweet and blackeye; corn; peppers; tomatoes; squash, yellow and zucchini; watermelons, Black Diamond, Charleston Gray and Moon and Stars; cantaloupes, Hale's Best and another variety; okra; cucumbers, lemon and burpless; and onions.
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I have my garden in and have a 3 inch Banana Pepper currently trying to fatten up. I planted: peas, sweet and blackeye; corn; peppers; tomatoes; squash, yellow and zucchini; watermelons, Black Diamond, Charleston Gray and Moon and Stars; cantaloupes, Hale's Best and another variety; okra; cucumbers, lemon and burpless; and onions.
I've got about 5 little serranos trying to grow up and my 'maters are blooming.
Planted "Candy Cane" corn and "Russian Mammoth" sunflowers surrounded by yellow crook-neck squash behind the house ,cantalopes and cukes on the back fence and bird house gourds at the front this weekend. The Lord helped me out by watering them today.
I bought a "Black Russian " heirloom tomato this year. I'll let y'all know how it does.
LSS: you already planted blackeyes and Okra ? You're not worried about the Easter snap, huh ?
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The container garden has done really well but I'll probably set up a framework so I can shade it next year . The onions / potatoes / radishes and turnip greens are all fine but those few days of 80 + temps messed with the lettuce and fried the spinach. Maybe I should start those two from seed and plant 'em in November.
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I have been growing, for the first time, a couple serrano plants. No peppers yet. Does anyone have any tips for growing serranos or peppers in general? Thanks.
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I have been growing, for the first time, a couple serrano plants. No peppers yet. Does anyone have any tips for growing serranos or peppers in general? Thanks.
Peppers are a lot like tomatoes . Give 'em at least 6 hours of direct sun per day and when they look like they're starting to wilt, water them good and deep without getting the water on the plant leaves . Let the soil dry out ( not bone-dry) between waterings. IMO, the hotter the pepper , the hotter and wetter the environment for them. Jalapenos and bells can do well in cooler / drier temperatures but habaneros really thrive in hot and humid conditions. Serranos are somewhere in the middle.
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I have my garden in and have a 3 inch Banana Pepper currently trying to fatten up. I planted: peas, sweet and blackeye; corn; peppers; tomatoes; squash, yellow and zucchini; watermelons, Black Diamond, Charleston Gray and Moon and Stars; cantaloupes, Hale's Best and another variety; okra; cucumbers, lemon and burpless; and onions.
I've got about 5 little serranos trying to grow up and my 'maters are blooming.
Planted "Candy Cane" corn and "Russian Mammoth" sunflowers surrounded by yellow crook-neck squash behind the house ,cantalopes and cukes on the back fence and bird house gourds at the front this weekend. The Lord helped me out by watering them today.
I bought a "Black Russian " heirloom tomato this year. I'll let y'all know how it does.
LSS: you already planted blackeyes and Okra ? You're not worried about the Easter snap, huh ?
Nope. I saw the doe I look for a long while back. No more freezes.
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I have been growing, for the first time, a couple serrano plants. No peppers yet. Does anyone have any tips for growing serranos or peppers in general? Thanks.
Peppers are a lot like tomatoes . Give 'em at least 6 hours of direct sun per day and when they look like they're starting to wilt, water them good and deep without getting the water on the plant leaves . Let the soil dry out ( not bone-dry) between waterings. IMO, the hotter the pepper , the hotter and wetter the environment for them. Jalapenos and bells can do well in cooler / drier temperatures but habaneros really thrive in hot and humid conditions. Serranos are somewhere in the middle.
Also, like tomatoes, it doesn't hurt to spank the plants to help with production.
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Yep, back at it again! Been in an out of the garden for a few weeks now. Got the tomatoes, squash and cukes in on time, green beans, sweet peas,and beets maybe a little late. No peppers yet. Pretty excited about the Homestead tomatoes I found this year. Used to plant them about 10 yrs. ago with good results. Also making a trellis out of an old mattress box spring. Still have some spot welding to do on the project. S'gonna look pretty neat. Good to be with you guys again!
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also with the peppers...make sure they don't have competition from other plants and that they are spread at least 1/2 inch from each other (but probably no more than 1.5in. from the nearest pepper plant for better production, but don't spread them out too much in the open or they'll have to put too much into the stem for support and limit production.
My peppers have always done best when they look like a miniature pine forrest.
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I just harvested my first batch of radishes.. Thank God any idiot could grow them!! Too bad I don't like to eat them!.
I must be an idiot! I love radishes but can't grow them for the life of me!
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also with the peppers...make sure they don't have competition from other plants and that they are spread at least 1/2 inch from each other (but probably no more than 1.5in. from the nearest pepper plant for better production, but don't spread them out too much in the open or they'll have to put too much into the stem for support and limit production.
My peppers have always done best when they look like a miniature pine forrest.
Let me understand this theory. You say to plant pepper plants .5 to 1.5 inches from each other? Everything I read says at least 12-18" and if they are too close they put too much energy into growing tall and less into producing? Are you eventually thinning these plants out?
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also with the peppers...make sure they don't have competition from other plants and that they are spread at least 1/2 inch from each other (but probably no more than 1.5in. from the nearest pepper plant for better production, but don't spread them out too much in the open or they'll have to put too much into the stem for support and limit production.
My peppers have always done best when they look like a miniature pine forrest.
Let me understand this theory. You say to plant pepper plants .5 to 1.5 inches from each other? Everything I read says at least 12-18" and if they are too close they put too much energy into growing tall and less into producing? Are you eventually thinning these plants out?
Surely the poster meant .5 foot to 1.5 feet apart, not 1/2 an inch...I have never had any problems with massive production out of plants planted 18 inches apart. That is the distance that is best so that you can properly aerate the soil during the growing season.
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Let me understand this theory. You say to plant pepper plants .5 to 1.5 inches from each other? Everything I read says at least 12-18" and if they are too close they put too much energy into growing tall and less into producing? Are you eventually thinning these plants out?
Surely the poster meant .5 foot to 1.5 feet apart, not 1/2 an inch...I have never had any problems with massive production out of plants planted 18 inches apart. That is the distance that is best so that you can properly aerate the soil during the growing season.
I think he's talking about the spread (canopy) being that close , not the stems . Makes sense as the plants would help support each other and pollination would increase between individuals. I've planted corn in small blocks with about 8" between plants and they did really well.
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Oh, OK, I was about to go plant 10 more pepper plants in little area!
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Tomatoes looking good so far. Planted Early Girls this year and I already have lots of blooms (only 4 plants though) and 4 little tomatoes about grape size. Don't understand my cucumbers though. Last year they went crazy and the seeds popped quickly. This year they seem a little slow and only about 6-8 small plants popped up. Might have to reseed and try again if the others don't germinate and pop up in the next week.
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I tink I might not be meant for this gardening thing. Got my rasied gardens built about 3 weeks ago. Two Saturday's ago, planted plants - Maters, bell peppers (different colors), squash, zucchini, watermelon and cantaloupe - all plants. Monday, we had a frost. Killed all my plants except for my maters and one pepper plant.
Replaced all those dead plants this Saturday plus transplanted all of our herbs from inside to outside and then every freakin hail stone ever created came crashing in to my garden this morning.
Will these things survive this? or should I just give up? A quick check this morning looks like they are pretty battered.
That depends. Did You make sure to buy the hail resistant varieties?
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I tink I might not be meant for this gardening thing. Got my rasied gardens built about 3 weeks ago. Two Saturday's ago, planted plants - Maters, bell peppers (different colors), squash, zucchini, watermelon and cantaloupe - all plants. Monday, we had a frost. Killed all my plants except for my maters and one pepper plant.
Replaced all those dead plants this Saturday plus transplanted all of our herbs from inside to outside and then every freakin hail stone ever created came crashing in to my garden this morning.
Will these things survive this? or should I just give up? A quick check this morning looks like they are pretty battered.
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Schiller
I tink I might not be meant for this gardening thing. Got my rasied gardens built about 3 weeks ago. Two Saturday's ago, planted plants - Maters, bell peppers (different colors), squash, zucchini, watermelon and cantaloupe - all plants. Monday, we had a frost. Killed all my plants except for my maters and one pepper plant.
Replaced all those dead plants this Saturday plus transplanted all of our herbs from inside to outside and then every freakin hail stone ever created came crashing in to my garden this morning.
Will these things survive this? or should I just give up? A quick check this morning looks like they are pretty battered.
It depends on if the plants were broken or bent. Tomatoes can take some breakage and be fine. However, pepper plants broken on the main trunk/stem, if they are young plants, usually die. I wish you luck. I have to go check the garden at the lake.
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Don't understand my cucumbers though. Last year they went crazy and the seeds popped quickly. This year they seem a little slow and only about 6-8 small plants popped up. Might have to reseed and try again if the others don't germinate and pop up in the next week.
We are experiencing the exact same thing. Last year we had more cucumbers than we knew what to do with, this year nothing has popped up. We put some more seeds in the ground last week, we'll see if these come up.
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my wife decided that since i wasn't growing anything this year she would make a flower bed....she spent all of last week and weekend working on it and finally got it ready to plant yesterday, so she did....wake up this morning and the deer had destroyed almost all of it...i'll let her wake up and see it her self, then explain option of either deer resistant plants or an enclosure.
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Corn , squash, cukes, cantalopes and watermelons are all up. Both patio tomatoes have several fruit and the large varieties are flowering like crazy . I'm impressed with this "Black Russian" heirloom. It's about 2 ' tall and and a well-branched sturdy plant. Hope it holds up during the heat.
Looks like a good year for chilis. I have several eating-size serranos and the others (except for the habs , naturally ) are growing fast.
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my wife decided that since i wasn't growing anything this year she would make a flower bed....she spent all of last week and weekend working on it and finally got it ready to plant yesterday, so she did....wake up this morning and the deer had destroyed almost all of it...i'll let her wake up and see it her self, then explain option of either deer resistant plants or an enclosure.
I've heard that hanging clumps of human hair around the garden will discourage deer. Then again, I heard those garlic-scented clips would discourage dogs. My dogs ate 'em.
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I've heard that plucking the little pepper buds on a young serrano plant will help it grow and produce more serranos in the long run. Should I pluck em or let them grow.
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Originally Posted By: Leever
I've heard that plucking the little pepper buds on a young serrano plant will help it grow and produce more serranos in the long run. Should I pluck em or let them grow.
I never heard that but it makes sense. You can "dead-head" (remove faded flowers from ornamentals ) so the plant won't put all its energy into producing seeds and will instead make more blooms.
I've trimmed plants so they'll branch out more (more branches = more blooms).
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Kevster, Neil Sperry said after this winter's cold, if they haven't shown new growth by mid April, it's toast.
We lost one planted that went in last spring. I haven't given up total hope yet, but it isn't showing any signs of recovery. May drag it to the curb in the next week or 2.
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Kevster, Neil Sperry said after this winter's cold, if they haven't shown new growth by mid April, it's toast.
We lost one planted that went in last spring. I haven't given up total hope yet, but it isn't showing any signs of recovery. May drag it to the curb in the next week or 2.
I did some research,and what I found out was that if you try to pull out the heart and it comes out with very little pressure its a goner,that's what I just tried and it came out and the ants and their eggs where everywhere inside it.so I went ahead and dug it up.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Corn , squash, cukes, cantalopes and watermelons are all up. Both patio tomatoes have several fruit and the large varieties are flowering like crazy . I'm impressed with this "Black Russian" heirloom. It's about 2 ' tall and and a well-branched sturdy plant. Hope it holds up during the heat.
Looks like a good year for chilis. I have several eating-size serranos and the others (except for the habs , naturally ) are growing fast.
Yeah I just checked and I have several already myself. One chili is already red
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
I've heard that hanging clumps of human hair around the garden will discourage deer. Then again, I heard those garlic-scented clips would discourage dogs. My dogs ate 'em.
shave my head and throw clippings around the yard since i moved here last july and they have no problem hanging around
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great story. i have about 25 chickens in different age groups running around my property. i put 5 cherry tomato plants in different areas on 3 acres for the chickens to use as food and shade but they are barley surviving because of no rain since the winter. i pull 5-10 serrano peppers per week and have plenty of green tomatos but no red yet. my lettuce is pretty much wilting and dead but i still manage to get some leaves to the chickens and rabbits. the beets and radishes are good but they are fed mainly to the animals for fresh food. i planted 20 blackberry plants and only have about 5 that made it even with being watered everyday to every otherday, it is that dry here now. man, do we need some rain.
Man, I must be doing something wrong cause I don't have any tomatoes yet. I've got plenty of blooms but no maters yet. I guess I'll just get out there and spank them some more.
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Originally Posted By: jeff.m
Man, I must be doing something wrong cause I don't have any tomatoes yet. I've got plenty of blooms but no maters yet. I guess I'll just get out there and spank them some more.
Unfortunately, we've had a lot hot days this past month. The heat makes it difficult for most varieties of tomato plants to set the tomato. I only have a few myself right now, out of 40+ plants...I'm hoping with the cool front, they will set...So spank them this coming week and see what happens.
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Been awhile but, the garden looks good. Have a few tomatoes set on the celebs and the bastage tomatoe from Wally world. Do'nt know what else to call it, was simply labled Tomatoe .99, not really a bargain but could'nt resist. As usual, some successfull new ventures this year, and some not so. Herb seed planted in the afternoon shade of the garage are doing well. In the past I've had a hard time getting dill and parsley to survive the late afternoon sun. Parsley looks right at home under the garden bench. Getting some squash already, seems that the straight neck yellow is more resistant to squash borers, as the Gold Rush and white scallops are already showing signs of decline. Jury's still out on the green beans, may have got them in too late. They are just beginning to put on, but I'm thinking it may get hot enough they will turn to seed. Ren the dominicker hen trashed the squash in the back yard. Guess that's what I get for turning her out, had to dedicate the space in her coop for a "brooder" for the production red chicks. The best news is that I've not had any insect problems YET, other than the squash borers. Maybe I'll get some pictures posted before it turns hot and all goes to he11!
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Originally Posted By: jeff.m
Man, I must be doing something wrong cause I don't have any tomatoes yet. I've got plenty of blooms but no maters yet. I guess I'll just get out there and spank them some more.
Unfortunately, we've had a lot hot days this past month. The heat makes it difficult for most varieties of tomato plants to set the tomato. I only have a few myself right now, out of 40+ plants...I'm hoping with the cool front, they will set...So spank them this coming week and see what happens.
I have 12 green maters on the two "patio" plants and 10 < 1" on the "Black Prince" Russian heirloom. Nothing on the Early Girls or the Better Boys yet (although they're blooming). Looks like a good year for chilis. Ate a serrano with my corn-mealed sand bass this evening and got a good scalp sweat.
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Yup. Keep the chickens out of your garden. They'll scratch up all of your plants. Use guinea fowl or reptiles like lizards or green snakes for insect control.
Really was'nt using the hen for insect control, just a pet that happens to yield fresh eggs. I knew chickens do what chickens do. Got only myself to blame on that one. I do kinda' like the idea of the green snakes. Should cut down on interuptions from the wife and them pesky kids.
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Guys and gals, this will be the best week to spank the tomato plants. I doubt we'll have many more days where we're well below the 90 degree mark. Once we hit that consistently for 14 days in a row, it's almost impossible to get tomato plants to set the tomato...unless you have a variety specified for that...
I picked 2 squash and 4 peppers yesterday. I would post a picture, but the connecting cable for my phone is at the lake house...I'll try to post one tomorrow.
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I've been getting ripe tomatoes for about 10 days. I've been sharing them with my neighbors, but will start canning some salsa next week. My onions and jalapenos are read.
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Originally Posted By: Tin Head
Tomato plant pruning
I tried doing this last year but still am not sure If I am doing it right and could use a little insight from those that have. There are some videos on You Tube about this I will look and see if I can pull them up. Do you pinch all growth growing inbetween the main stalk and the big leaves? What if it has blooms?
We call that suckering.The suckers will not have blooms,but you can put the suckers in water and they will get roots then plant them and they will have more tomatos than the plant you got the sucker from.
I pulled a sucker couple of days ago , on a Yellow Pear Tomato, we will see if I can get it to root. That would be nice. I only have two plants left in pots to move to the big garden box , they are both Black Krim Heirlooms. Picked my first patio tomato's today and have a nice amount of peppers that will be ready about Monday. Squash blooming too, looking to fill one more spot in the big box garden , but I already have four varieties of tomato and three diff pepper's any suggestions?
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Originally Posted By: curvytxfish
I pulled a sucker couple of days ago , on a Yellow Pear Tomato, we will see if I can get it to root. That would be nice. I only have two plants left in pots to move to the big garden box , they are both Black Krim Heirlooms. Picked my first patio tomato's today and have a nice amount of peppers that will be ready about Monday. Squash blooming too, looking to fill one more spot in the big box garden , but I already have four varieties of tomato and three diff pepper's any suggestions?
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My squash are about 3-4 days from being ready. My harvest so far has only been radishes, one giant head of romaine lettuce and a handful of carrots and gypsy peppers.
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I will try the Basi; suggestion...a few more wont hurt, I have a very large pot of Pepper Basil that I re-seed every year...Thanks for the tip.
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Oh yeah, and about 5lbs of peas.
Snap peas? Pole style?
Alaskan Snow White. They are an early blooming pea that can handle the frost. I wish I knew how to keep them from rusting so I could keep them for a couple of months, but I get about two good batches out them and then they stop producing fruit.
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that's in the grand prairie...between the northern blackland prairie and western cross timbers....still gotta go south thru coryell and lampasas co. before you hit the edwards plateau or any uplifts...same ecologic area as fort worth...anything recommended for that area works for you.
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My burpless cucumbers are bitter. Any suggestions?
Cut a 1/2" slice off the stem end... rub the 2 cut ends in a circular motion until a white creamy substance comes out...cut another 1/4" slice off... then slice as usual. This will not only take the bitter taste out but the cucumbers will hold up better in the fridge.
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No pics to share but will report that my tomato plants are absolutely loaded. I only have 4 plants but counted 60+ tomatoes on them as of yesterday. Already picked 8 that were ripe. So far so good but they aren't exactly super large tomatoes. They seem to be ripening when they are slightly bigger than a golfball. Good for salads and pico but hopefully I will get enough to ripen at the same time to make some hot sauce. Bell peppers look good too with 8 between 3 plants and they are all big, baseball size or bigger. Had an early run in with the aphids on my cucumbers and they set some of the plants back but it looks like I got them taken care of for now and those vines are coming back. Lots of blooms and little cukes showing up so maybe I can start pickling in the next couple of weeks.
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Originally Posted By: scott01
No pics to share but will report that my tomato plants are absolutely loaded. I only have 4 plants but counted 60+ tomatoes on them as of yesterday. Already picked 8 that were ripe. So far so good but they aren't exactly super large tomatoes. They seem to be ripening when they are slightly bigger than a golfball. Good for salads and pico but hopefully I will get enough to ripen at the same time to make some hot sauce. Bell peppers look good too with 8 between 3 plants and they are all big, baseball size or bigger. Had an early run in with the aphids on my cucumbers and they set some of the plants back but it looks like I got them taken care of for now and those vines are coming back. Lots of blooms and little cukes showing up so maybe I can start pickling in the next couple of weeks.
How did you take care of the aphids?
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I like planting some early greens for a trap crop before I plant anything else. Left alone, they'll get aphids all over them and then the predators like ladybugs will have a population boom just in time for the main garden.
Aphids are very attracted to plants that are high in nitrogen, this is also one indicator you could be giving your plants to much nitrogen. A daily "sharp"spray of water ( not harsh enough to damage the plant) with the water hose on the underside of the leaves and the stem will knock them off and they have a difficult time getting back to the plants. They will likely be eaten on their journey back to the plant. There is also a organic solution that will work by softening their shell and the will die, google on line for it , simple, cheap , no harsh chemicals. Keep a eye on ants , I believe its the black ants, they will herd the aphids on your plants (ants will move the aphids around the garden). I use Neem Oil for a organic insect control.
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Yep, I had a big problem with ants herding aphids onto my okra last year but it was late in the season so I let em have it. This year I'm on the lookout
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my corn isn't even up yet,I've got 154 tomato plant lots of flowers just not setting much fruit yet?.sqush and watermelon plants are doing good,cucumbers every where I counted 90 hills I was flooded out first planting then our only rain this spring washed the second planting into the yard next door,round three is looking good.don't know if corn or beans will do any good this late???Rabbits ate most of my swiss chard so I ate the rabbit worked pretty good
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Originally Posted By: TeamHillbilly
24.51 just in the squash they are selling in huntington for $1.29 each little squash
Well, a few of the squash weigh well over a pound. Those will be put in some cornmeal and fried. I am amazed at what veggies are going for right now. I am going to be dividing this particular harvest up and giving it to some of my neighbors. They are in their 70's and 80's, and due to their health, can't garden anymore.
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pill bugs killed my lone squash plant.. Think I am going to buy 2 seedlings and try again with them. I am getting some decent cucumbers and tomatoes though and my peppers are going crazy again. I need to get my okra in the ground too, but I am not too worried about it. I am convinced that it'll grow in just about any weather as long as its hot.
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Yeah, okra's pretty easy. Sevin Dust takes care of most bugs. I hate to use it, but due to an infestation of squash bugs, I've had to twice. If you do use it, just remember to read how long you have to wait to harvest after the application.
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Yeah, okra's pretty easy. Sevin Dust takes care of most bugs. I hate to use it, but due to an infestation of squash bugs, I've had to twice. If you do use it, just remember to read how long you have to wait to harvest after the application.
yep got to becarful with that stuff,I seen at TSC they have gal jugs of 7 dust spray now?? I've never trid the spary,dust has always worked for me so why change?beside I'm still using the same can over the last 10 years or so never use it unless there is no other way
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Picked about 20 lbs of squash this weekend . The cubanells and serranos are producing nicely as well as the tomatoes (although the "Russian heirloom" turned out to be a freakin cherry tomato ).
Melons and cukes are blooming but it looks like the "candy cane" corn was a waste of time. My corn patch looks like one of those pics from the dustbowl era.
I used black whiskey barrel liners and dark colored fake whiskey barrels for the greens / onions this year. They did really well until the temps got up around 80. I plan on planting greens in November this year but I'll probably move the onion planters to the east side of the house to keep 'em cooler longer next spring.
The chilis are all in lighter colored plastic and so far they're doing fine in full sun all day. The tomatoes in pots are on the deck underneath some large oaks so they're not getting scorched.
Think I'm fixin' to quit reading the Farmer's Almanac. They predicted a " cooler, wetter " summer. Uh-huh.
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Out of 14 Tomato plants, only 3 fruit produced. I think I planted a little late and suffering from blossom drop as far as I can tell. From what I have read, either too much Nitrogen or too hot to turn blossom's into fruit....sigh. On the flip side, squash, corn, peppers, peas, and melons all looking great.
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Originally Posted By: RD
Out of 14 Tomato plants, only 3 fruit produced. I think I planted a little late and suffering from blossom drop as far as I can tell. From what I have read, either too much Nitrogen or too hot to turn blossom's into fruit....sigh. On the flip side, squash, corn, peppers, peas, and melons all looking great.
Keep the plants alive. I usually get an even better crop of tomatoes in the fall. The plants may end up looking like burned and brown, but I've had them come back to lush, green tomato producing plants.
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My serrano plants looked great when they were blooming about a month ago. Deep green color and healthy looking leaves. Now they are slightly wilted (which I assume is from the heat lately) and have turn a faint shade of yellow. Individual leaves turn completely yellow and fall off periodically. They have fruited out too. Not sure what the problem is. Do they need to be fertilized? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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You might be over-watering. I think serranos's leaves will droop in response to high heat (like hydrangeas) and most people assume it's a need for more water.
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I water, especially in this heat, every day. I use the Miracle Gro sprayer (although I only use Miracle Gro every 10-14 days) to water the plants. I water every plant for 15 - 20 seconds.
Your plants could be under attack by doodle bugs (rollie pollies), you'll see them pop up after you water...or they could be lacking water and or nutrients. I would water a bit more often, early in the morning, or late in the evening...I would also get some Miracle Gro and use it.
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My tomatoe plants are doing very well (Early Girls). I only have 4 plants but have to pick them every other day. Right now, I counted 45 additional tomatoes on the vine of which about 1/2 will need to be picked tomorrow (they are yellowish orange now). Cukes are coming back nicely after a round of aphids set them back. Lots of vines climbing and loaded with blooms and smaller cukes from 1"-2" long. Bell peppers have been the best I've ever grown for size. I normally make a lot of peppers but the size in the past was smaller, most about 1/2 fist size. This year they are reaching fist size and larger.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
You might be over-watering. I think serranos's leaves will droop in response to high heat (like hydrangeas) and most people assume it's a need for more water.
How much are you watering ?
try adding a high nitrogen plant food like Miracle-Gro it's the blue mix 24-8-16 and water daily in this heat right before dark or just before daylight if you have mulch down,if you don't have mulch you need to add it just to fight off the heat btw if you water in the evening don't wet the leaves of your plants they won't have time to dry before dark
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
You might be over-watering. I think serranos's leaves will droop in response to high heat (like hydrangeas) and most people assume it's a need for more water.
How much are you watering ?
try adding a high nitrogen plant food like Miracle-Gro it's the blue mix 24-8-16 and water daily in this heat right before dark or just before daylight if you have mulch down,if you don't have mulch you need to add it just to fight off the heat btw if you water in the evening don't wet the leaves of your plants they won't have time to dry before dark
Help needed. My tomatoes are doing great. But just as they start to ripen, the birds are getting to them before I can.
I have placed a plastic owl on the garden fence, placed a rubber snake next to the tomatoe plants, placed a bird feeder full of good bird seed away from the garden, tied aluminum pie pans on the tomatoe stakes... Nothing is working...
Any suggestions to keep the birds away will be greatly appreciated..
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Fortunately, I have not had the bird problems, but my aunt put up one of those shiny whirlybird things and seems to have helped. You can pull them when they've gone from dark green to light green and get them to ripen. Just put them in the windowsill or in a box lined with newspapers...Or just shoot the birds.
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Ran into the bird problem a couple of years ago. You can buy netting, specifically for your vegetables, at Home Depot, Lowes, Wally World. Worked great for me.
Thanks.. Hate to shoot em.. I'm old school and prefer "vine ripened" but I may have to start pulling em a little earlier. Read an article a few minutes ago that said Birds eat tomatoes during droughts to get the moisture. It recommended placing a bird bath adjacent to the garden.. May try that too..
I wish they liked Crappie... I'd give up some crappie if it would keep em off of my tomatoes!
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no birds, but the rolly pollys and tomato worms are starting to show up. Time to give them a liquid sevin bath. I've not put any fertilizer out, other than fish guts in February, and been pesticide free to this point. I was hoping to not have to use any, but no one gets a free lunch from me.
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I am in Abilene. I had a very good crop of Celebrity and Big Beef eventhough my earliest crop were stripped from the vines during an Easter Sunday hail storm.
Question and Suggestions:
I have some Celebrity transplants that are 6-8 inches tall and wanting to plant them for a Fall garden. With the consistent 100 degree days and nothing cooler in site, would I be better off waiting until late in July to plant them or plant them now and hope I can get them to live in these heat? Suggestions appreciated as it is for a Fall garden and don't expect any tomato setting until late August or September. If I were to plant them now, how would you keep the direct sun off of them late in the p.m.'s when the temps are 103-106 every day right now.
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I'd wait it out for 3 to 5 more weeks, if it were me. You could use a tarp, about 3 feet off the plants, to block them from the direct sunlight later in the day.
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Forget the birds. This is the 2nd year in a row my dog (lap/rot mix) started picking the tomaotes off the vine. lol I guess she sees us picking them so she does too (seen her do it). She plucks them off, bites them, then drops them.. Very frustrating to come home from work and see tomatoes on the ground. Seems like if I go ahead and pick them just when they turn yellowish or just a light orange then I'm okay. If I wait till the whole tomatoes is orange or starting to turn red, she gets them first. Craziest thing.
Any of y'all grow mint? Mine was growing great up until a few days ago. There are a bunch of black things all over the leaves now and the mint seems to be getting weak. There were also a ton of little tiny white/clear liquid filled bubbles on the soil below the plants.
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Forget the birds. This is the 2nd year in a row my dog (lap/rot mix) started picking the tomaotes off the vine. lol I guess she sees us picking them so she does too (seen her do it). She plucks them off, bites them, then drops them.. Very frustrating to come home from work and see tomatoes on the ground. Seems like if I go ahead and pick them just when they turn yellowish or just a light orange then I'm okay. If I wait till the whole tomatoes is orange or starting to turn red, she gets them first. Craziest thing.
she probably thinks they are a ball. our pit did the same thing, but he actually liked them, so we had to build a better fence.
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What makes tomato plant leaves curl up? I have a huge tomato plant that is just now starting to bloom and a lot of the leaves have been curling up. Seems like the plant overall is still doing well. But I don't want to wait too long if it's something that's going to damage the plant. Not all of the leaves are curling. Just some.
I have been fighting the usual bugs , but last night discovered lil black sticky bugs on my su=quash , but just one plant , going to get something to spray and end that in the Morning...but I have one yellow pear tomatoe that is crazy full of tomatoes, so I tried the propigating thing , and so far I have gotten three more in pots from this one plant , and four rooting in the window from others , I have tomatoes on my Rutgers, Black Crim , Grape Cherries , and the Orange one , also have the little pattypan squash , Zuccini , and Yellow Bells , Mexi Bells , Sweet Bananas , and Anahiem's . Finally got Hubby helping me water , so I am getting lot's better results this year. I have some Herbs too , Garlic and Regular Chives , Dill , Basil , and Mint, Rosemary...makes Geart Baked Fish. I hope everyone gets lots from their plantings this year.
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I moved my main plot to the north of the house this year so it would get plenty of sun and wind for the corn to pollinate. I finally gave up and mowed it yesterday. I might try another one if the hurricanes kick in.
Had to move all the potted plants under the trees and I may have to shade the tomatoes with tarp. Definitely going back to the east side next year.
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My squash is not doing well now. The majority is burning up. I have watered everyday, but it's just too hot and windy. The tomato plants look pitiful. My melons, cantaloupes, okra, peppers and cucumbers are doing well, however.
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OK,,,,I need a little help. This is only my 2nd year to gardening. It started as a hobby thing for my wife. I have three 4x8 raised beds that are doing well. Yellow squash and pattypan are doing ok i guess. This morning I noticed A BUNCH of bugs on the back side of the squash leaves. They look like stink bugs. Do they hurt anything? Im still getting squash. However, if I get 3-4 little ones at the same time on a plant, only one will grow and the others will die. Are the bugs causing this? I had something eating my pepper plants to the ground and blamed it on the rabbits. I put out some rubber snakes and they were attacked the 1st night. Chunks bit out of the heads and tails. Someone told me it was field mice (I live in Forney on one acre with open pasture on 2 sides of me). I put up an owl and move it often but the birds just sit it on its head and dump on it. I put a net over the tomatoe plants and its finally keeping the birds from pecking holes in the tomatoes as soon as the turn pink.
Well you guys are making making me feel a little better. I thought it was just my garden that was doing so pitiful this year. My squash and peppers are doing alright but my tomatoes just look terrible. The lower sections are all burned up despite me drip watering the garden for 20 minutes in the morning and 20 minutes at night. I'm only keeping them around to see if the tomatoes that are on there will ripen up. After that I think I'm going to pull them up and plant some more squash or green beans.
Unloaded my 4 tomatoe plants this weekend and ended up making 2 qts of hot sauce. Just no way we could eat them fast enough. Bell peppers are slowing down some, 4 plants and only 4-5 small peppers right now, but then again, I've harvested 8-10 fist sized ones already (green and red). Cukes aren't nearly as good this year, so far. I might have enough pulled off yesterday to make 1 qt of pickles but that's it. Last year I had already made 3 qts. Was attacked by aphids early and set the plants back and right now they are vining and blooming well so maybe I'll just have a late harvest. Only water about every 4 days or so. Just hope to keep the plants going till fall rolls around although the cukes never seem to get past Aug. Usually the tomatoes have a really good Fall harvest.
I have been killing my squash bugs one at a time with Insecticidal soap. Is there anything better to use to kill them? I only chose the soap so I didnt have to worry about harvest time.
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You can also look at the leaves and if you find a lot of tiny brown 'spots' grouped together, tear that part of the leaf off the plant. Those are the 'eggs' of the squash bugs and you're about to have new enemies to deal with. Remember to look at the underside of the leaves as well. As JD pointed out, Sevin is probably the best option to rid yourself of an infestation. I hate to use poisons, but Sevin isn't too bad. I've had to use it twice this year now because of the bugs. Now I'm done with them.
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The soap worked good, if you spray it right on the bug. I sprayed it on the eggs but was not sure if it would kill them or not so I did like LoneStarSon said and was cutting that part of the leaf off. I guess I will put Sevin on there and be done with it. When using Sevin, do I need to get it on both sides of each leaf, or will they walk through it and die? Any time I see someone using Sevin, they just sprinkle some on the plant. Also, why do some of my squash start out good then just wither and die? Prob half or a little less are dying like that. They are getting enough water.
the heat is winning this year.tomatoes have about stopped.hope to keep a few plants alive to get some early fall.having trouble with birds are tomatoes splitting. pick green wrap in news paper put in cool place. will be ripe in a few days.
to get rid of squash bugs.mix water and vanilla extract in a pump up sprayer.about 50 to 1 water to vanilla more or less.spray all over and under leaves and ground around plant.watch the bugs run.works for me.
Well, my fish carcass compost is working wonders. Planted squash seeds at the end of May & we have approx 3-4 months worth of growth out of them already. Likewise on the okra!
Only problem is that it takes time for the compost to 'cook' and I still have more yard that needs it
Well, I have a mulch pile (mown grass, leaves, etc) in addition to the compost bins. One bin is the active pile that I'm adding stuff to, and the other is the stuff thats 'cooking' itself down & I'll turn this one periodically. The normal 'kitchen' routine is to cover the kitchen scraps in the active pile with some fresh mulch. Whenever I put fish carcasses in the compost bin, I spread a layer of coffee grounds over them, then cover with enough mulched grass to absorb odors.
The finished compost is incredibly rich, black soil and it doesn't stink at all ... fairly aromatic, but I've asked my neighbors if they've ever noticed any smell at all & they say 'no'.
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I will be ripping out most of my plants, except my peppers in the coming days/week. The squash bugs, and doodle bugs have decimated everything but the peppers and a few melons. I will be doing a heavy dusting with Sevin before I till the ground again. The combination of the drought and bugs has been brutal.
How is everyone else doing?
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Peppers Toms and Cucumbers are still doing ok. Cukes and peppers are producing fruit still. Tomatoes are pretty much in a holding pattern, except for one particular plant that has about 20 new fruit on it. I canned 5 quarts of subpar salsa from garden fresh vegetables yesterday. I suck at it. better luck next time.
Pole beans and squash were a total failure this year.
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I have never seen squash bugs like this and I'm not real certain there weren't a few stink bugs thrown in the mix as well. Those are more difficult to get rid of. My plants were turned to powder. It's the strangest thing and I've never had it happen before. My garden in Joshua has done rather well...Perfect tomatoes. I wish it was cheaper to water there, I'd have a bigger garden.
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I have a peace lilly that I did nothing but add some water hen the leaves drooped. It was doing well for 2 years, never bloomed but kept growing. Then the leaves started turn yellow then brown then died. It has always done that but the pace increased. I got a bag of container media (not dirt) and repotted the plant into a 5 gallon bucket. I cut all the dead stalks. Looked the plant up on the internet and it said the leaves were getting too much sunlight. So I set it in the middle of the room. All the windows are shaded. Now the leaves are turning faster, yellow then brown and now the edges look like I burned them with a lighter. Is the plant dying? Can it be saved?
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Grandpa, you need to put the plant in a room that gets a lot of INDIRECT sunlight. It needs to be well lit, but where the rays of the sun aren't penetrating the window and hitting the plant. Bathrooms usually have this set up.
Also, you need to keep the root ball compact. So if you had it in a smaller bucket before replanting, you need to put it back, or into a planter one size larger than the original.
You also need to wipe down the leaves every few days with a damp cloth. This will remove dust, grime, etc. and allow the leaves to soak up more sunlight.
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My little garden was pretty bad this year too. Made lots of tomatoes early as well as green and red bell peppers. After the first bout with aphids on my cukes, those never really recovered and produced. It's too bad too since last year I put up 16 qts of pickles and this year 0. The vines all look good and green still and are still growing but not producing any blooms. Some of the tomatoe plants are still green but no blooms. Bell peppers aren't doing anything. Even my jalapeno plants are doing very little. Was hoping to keep everything alive in hopes that things will take off in the fall. Or, maybe I should just pull them out and replant for the fall. Fall is usually excellent for tomatoes.
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I mowed my corn and squash a few weeks ago since it was inevitable. Got some good squash/cukes/maters early but I'm just trying to keep the tomatoes alive now. Definitely moving the in-ground garden back to the east side next year.
The container chilis are fine but not much fruit. I haven't had a habanero yet. I plan on moving them all into the house before frost.
Still holding out for some watermelons .
My biggest disappointment this year was the blackberry plants and fruit trees. What the late frosts didn't get , the drought did. I've got some pears but they're so small I'll probably just make jelly out of them.
One good thing. It's so dry you can kill all the weeds with a good tilling.
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I canned 5 quarts of subpar salsa from garden fresh vegetables yesterday. I suck at it. better luck next time.
Give your salsa time to mature before opening a jar. I leave mine in the pantry for 6 months to a year before opening. Allowing all the herbs and peppers time to blend together makes a world of difference.
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Does anyone know what would strip the leaves off my sweet potato vines? I have about 15 sweet potato vines in my various flower beds and something is stripping the leaves off. I had two plants that were fine when I left for Waco a little after 12:00 this afternoon. When I returned home at 2:30, the plants were stripped. I have 6 more plants in this flowerbed and don't want to lose them. Whatever did it also stripped the leaves in my triangle garden a couple of days ago and some potted vines last week. Any ideas? Will Sevin dust take care of these critters? I'm not sure, but I think this pest has also hit a couple of my rose bushes? I have about 25 of those and don't care to have them stripped.
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Wow. I guess I need to watch for them. My yard is very green and we have a lot of plants around. Anyway to keep them away from the plants they haven't hit?
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Not enough water or they have been ready for harvesting too long...Squash bugs can also have this affect as they drain the moisture from the vegetable.
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I just wanted to say...my garden sucks this year! No rain and too hot too quick!
I'm about to tear it out....what is something good to plant for fall/winter in a small raised bed? When should I plant it?
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I have managed to propagate , not sure I spelled that right..several yellow pear cherry tomato, a black krim , which by the way is a beautiful one , with a very good flavor, I have one frape cherry and two rutgers, in pots , ready to go out once this het backs off a little. I have managed to keep everything going , and I am getting some okra, lots of banana peppers, anaheims and mexi bells. I am hoping that my fall garden will have more time to produce. like someone posted earlier , it just got too hot too fast,,,hope everybody else gets to hang on to some stuff through this heat...it is awful
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Originally Posted By: Bass_Bustin_Texan
I just wanted to say...my garden sucks this year! No rain and too hot too quick!
I'm about to tear it out....what is something good to plant for fall/winter in a small raised bed? When should I plant it?
Give it up till about mid September, then put broccoli, cauliflower, and other bedding plants in there. You can plant root crops from seed. Try carrots, and turnips.
Planted my fall tomatoes over the weekend. Hope they will survive this brutal heat.
Would most of you agree with this? I am not trying to question you Skeet but just wonder if thats a group consenus as far as planting the tomatoes now for fall... I am very new to gardening having come from the desert of Nevada. Fall tomatoes would be awesome, I planted some in ealry May (too late) and all they have done is get tall, stringy and are making a few very small oragneish colored balls that were not what I had in mind... May to scrap those and start again for fall. If now is the time?
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keep what you have alive and green and when fall rolls around they'll already be well established. I'm about to clone a few of the Toms I already have to more plants for the fall.
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Now that the three year drought is somewhat over and we finally can see the sun again, especially after all that record breaking rain, it's time to start thinking about the fall vegetable garden. The best fall performer that is planted earliest is tomatoes and now would be the time.
There may be some small spring tomatoes hanging on to the plant, but, unless you have at least 20 to 25 good-sized fruit, pull them out-make green tomato relish, chow-chow or salsa. If you will recall, the largest and best tomatoes you had this spring were the first ones produced. If the tomato plant has gotten old, diseased, and damaged by insects-it will never produce in abundance again. Besides, it's too large to be manageable as far as insect and disease populations are concerned. Pull the old plants up and discard them. Give them to the garbage man. Don't try to compost insect and disease-ridden plants. Spider mites don't compost well!
If you have the space, it's best to move the tomato plant around the garden. There is some disease prevention value in crop rotation. It is, however, more important that the plants receive full sun (at least six-to-eight hours) than a new location. Incorporate two inches of manure compost into the planting area and spread one pound of slow release 19-5-9 analysis fertilizer over every 10 linear feet of planting area.
Plant a Texas Cooperative Extension recommended variety of tomato every three-to-four feet. Tomato cages keep the plants in control and keep the fruit off the ground. Fruit rot and even insect damage is reduced if the tomatoes are caged. Most retail nurseries offer aluminum cages (use the largest 54" size) or, if you are really ambitious, you can make cages out of concrete Remix reinforcing wire. A cage two and one-half feet in diameter would require a piece of reinforcing wire eight feet long.
Mulch the newly planted tomatoes to a depth of two inches. Native cedar or hardwood mulch is highly desirable and available because they spread easily and decompose at a moderate rate. The decomposing is slow enough to protect the tomato roots but fast enough that they can be incorporated into the garden soil after the tomato season without long nutrient tie-up.
Tomatoes are not drought tolerant plants; they need an ample supply of supplemental irrigation. Using mulch and drip irrigation is the most efficient way to do it. Water when the soil under the mulch dries to one-half inch. Tomatoes are also heavy feeders. A half cup of slow release 19-5-9 analysis fertilizer every 10 to 14 days per plant works well for around three applications. This is also called side-dressing or banning of fertilizer.
The best fall tomato for Central/South Texas is Surefire. It tolerates the heat well to produce an early tennis ball-size fruit. But, unfortunately it's almost impossible to find. Consider other heat setting tomatoes like the 2007 Texas SuperStar tomato 'Sunpride' and other proven winners like 'Celebrity,' 'Sun Master,' '444,' 'Amelia,' 'Solarfire,' and 'Top Gun' also do well. Remember, all fall recommended tomatoes are also planted for spring planting. For a complete list of other fall recommended vegetables and planting dates, please visit this link at: http://bexartx.tamu.edu/HomeHort/F4Best/nFallVegPlantList.htm.
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Are you guys that are planting for fall tomatoes now buying more starter plants? or how are you getting started?
I have 2 beautiful tomato plants - they're a little rolled up on the leaves - but they are huge. They've have bloomed all season long and continue to but they will not produce any tomatoes. My other cherry tomatoe and romas are producing, still. Those 2 big plants are frustrating the carp out of me. I almost pulled them yesterday just so I didn't have to look at them anymore.
I bought my plants at a local nursery. However, they sold out and will not get more due to the fact that it takes approx. 70 days till harvest and that will be in September. That only leaves a couple of months to enjoy them until they are killed by a freeze.
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Schiller
Are you guys that are planting for fall tomatoes now buying more starter plants? or how are you getting started?
I have 2 beautiful tomato plants - they're a little rolled up on the leaves - but they are huge. They've have bloomed all season long and continue to but they will not produce any tomatoes. My other cherry tomatoe and romas are producing, still. Those 2 big plants are frustrating the carp out of me. I almost pulled them yesterday just so I didn't have to look at them anymore.
Leave them alone. It's too hot for tomatoes to set right now. They'll start producing in September just in time for a good harvest before the freeze.
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I never have done fall tomatoes but I'm keeping mine alive just to see. My luck , it'll get cold this fall just as fast as it warmed up this spring.
Only success in the corn patch this year is an 11' "mammoth" sunflower . I haven't watered it since early June but it's doing great. I might just go into the sunflower seed business next year .
Can anybody recommend a shade tree that grows fairly fast in full sun that stays about 10-15 ft tall when mature? Need something to shade the west side of the house from the brutal sun beating on my circuit breaker box. Not a fan of "lattice with a vine" that has been suggested by the wife. I hate vines. An internet search came up with an Empress tree. Sounds good and grows fast, but never heard of it. Also grows straight. Looking for something like a mini live oak although leaves all year isn't a requirement.
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Crepe Myrtle...Get the ones that are already 3' to 5' tall. Plant it and water it one hour a week every week. Some grow to 12', 15' and 20'. Drought resistant and hard to over water.
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Wow. Didn't even think about crepe myrtle and I've got em all over the place. Some of the dwarf or mid-sized plum trees might do well. Do your research on any really fast growers . Some of them are pretty short-lived and others' roots can be a problem for water or drain lines , even house foundations.
Well , yesterday I recieved my order of CHerokee Purple, cherry tomato, and the Standard's as well. I also got some Heirloom mix with the Dark Green , orange pineapple , and a few others mixed in. I am starting them under a growlight so they can be put out for fall with the ten or so I have prop-gated off the others , I also got a Strawberry Spinach..will be interesting to try...how is everyone else doing? Anyone with good news , despite the abcense of Rain?
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I saw that it was time to plant fall tomatoes back in July but A)I couldn't find any that were less than 4 bucks and B) I didn't think it would be a good idea to plant in this heat.
So, I'm conducting a little experiment. I cut half of my tomato plants back to about 1.5 - 2 feet tall. Mostly red cherry, sweet 100 and early girls. In the few weeks since, they've gone mad. I've never seen as many blooms on these plants as I'm seeing right now.
I know that they most likely will not set so I'm going to cut back the other half of the tomatoes soon and hope they bloom when it's not so hot.
I also did this with a pepper plant and it seems to be doing pretty well. I started seeing new flowers this week.
Anyone ever done this? Any luck?
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I wondered if I should trim mine too, they are getting tall , and blooming , but as you said won't set til this heat backs off. I have rooted mine indoors so far when taking from another plant, and started seeds week before last in little greenhouse, will have to add new seeds, last year I got Tomatoe's well into fall , so I am hoping this year works out too...
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Well I just had to come tell everyone I have five tomatoes on apatio plant....there is hope....
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The Walmart here on I-35 had this very same Patio out for sale the last two days...if you can get one and put it in a pot on a porch , I bet you will get a bunch like I am , I bought two more last night....hoping they put out as well as the first one...very study plants too...about 3 buks.
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Well, in the last two days I have gotten twenty five peppers in three varieties, and I set out fifteen Cherokee Purples to harden and about a dozen Heirloom Dark green and Pineapple tomatoes,......anyone else going to try for a fall crop?
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I have a boat load of pepper plants and a few tomato plants that survived the summer. They aren't producing, but most are 3' to 5' tall and they are now budding out again.
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I don't think I'm gonna mess with it this fall other than the few container plants that survived and planting greens in large containers. I'll be moving my patio tomatoes and chilis inside come late October . Got a feeling it's gonna get cold early this year.
This summer was a BEACH and the near future doesn't look very promising. I'll still plant next spring but I need to do some work on the drip-irrigation system and figure out some kind of shading for the big garden.
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
I have a boat load of pepper plants and a few tomato plants that survived the summer. They aren't producing, but most are 3' to 5' tall and they are now budding out again.
me too. The gypsy peppers, cubanelles and italian sweets have survived the summer, and my laziness of not weeding them, and are covered up with fruit, so much that two main beams on the italian pepper split and broke from too many peppers on it.
Tomatoes are pretty much shot, but I've got a watermelon plant still going nuts.
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Today I am harvesting Zuccini, Okra ,and Anahiem , Banana , Mexi Bells and an Eggplant. I too have one Tomato that make it thru , all strung out, but covered in blooms, so if I can spare the room I am going to leave it and see if it puts out as well as it did before the heatwave. I can't wait to see my Cherokee's start makin.
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Does anybody have anything going out there for fall right now...I lost all my armenian cukes to some little black bug that doesent care about pesticide too much , but put out 15 tomatoes from seed , purple , pineapple and a solid dark green, hoping I get enough before the first freeze, to put some up ...hope you all are having luck.
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I'm getting some great peppers and have some tomatoes showing up. I also have okra growing and producing. However, I didn't replant anything...it all either survived the summer or has popped up on it's own. I have had a few volunteer pepper plants this year which was a surprise.
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Pleasant surprise as the cool weather and a little rain have made their way her. I had planted 3 broccoli plants earlier this year that have struggled. The one that actually started to produce a crown was overtaken my some type of caterpillar. Thought the plants were done and they only rec'd watering every 4-5 days when I watered my yard. Oddly enough, 2 of the plants survived the summer and both have new crowns on them now and they are really starting to grow, lol. I guess we might get something off of them this year afterall.
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Got a butt-load of pequins and serranos , the habs are finally blooming as well as the patio tomatoes. I don't think there's time for either one to set fruit so I'm gonna bring them inside and keep 'em alive until next year.
I'll probably sow some turnip greens shortly and set out onions whenever they're available.
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I thought I'd ask here while the Mrs & I read up on the subject (again).
Suggestions please...
I've failed at growing vegetables 5 years in a row now. I'd like to get away from raised garden beds/boxes (my hens occupy the area now anyway) so I have a fresh start. I'd like to move away from the raised garden beds unless yall pros feel differently. I have 1100sq ft or so to work with. The rows could be 50' x 3 rows. I don't even know how to garden really.
I figure the first step is turning the ground (tell me if I'm wrong). I've seen used tillers from $75 to $1000 on craigslist. What manufacture makes the best for the money out there? I've used a small joker tiller and they were a beating.
If it would help, I can take pictures of the area. Its 50'x25' + or -.
I'd appreciate suggestions and help.
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You have the best resource (barnyard) available to ya for growing a garden. Till that chicken poop in the ground during the winter and you'll have enough to sell at the local farmers market.
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Originally Posted By: chickenman
I thought I'd ask here while the Mrs & I read up on the subject (again).
Suggestions please...
I've failed at growing vegetables 5 years in a row now. I'd like to get away from raised garden beds/boxes (my hens occupy the area now anyway) so I have a fresh start. I'd like to move away from the raised garden beds unless yall pros feel differently. I have 1100sq ft or so to work with. The rows could be 50' x 3 rows. I don't even know how to garden really.
I figure the first step is turning the ground (tell me if I'm wrong). I've seen used tillers from $75 to $1000 on craigslist. What manufacture makes the best for the money out there? I've used a small joker tiller and they were a beating.
If it would help, I can take pictures of the area. Its 50'x25' + or -.
I'd appreciate suggestions and help.
Thanks
Mark (the discouraged guy that has sucks at growing vegetables)
CM, the first thing you need to do is mark off the area you want your garden. Now, some people will say to use Round-up, or some other grass killer, but I would say not to. I would either use black plastic bags held down with bricks or something to kill the grass or leave it be. Then, you'll need to till that soil. I have a Craftsman 17" dual rear tine tiller with the 6.5 hp engine. It was purchased new in 2006 for $650. The Craftsman products used to a be a beast, but not sure about the last 5 years. When you're tilling the ground, you're going to want to go as deep as you can and use the reverse till feature. This turns the tines in reverse while you're walking forward. If you do get a Craftsman, the handle can be raised if need be (I figured out how to do this after leaning over so much it killed my back).
Once that's done, you need to get the soil tested. You can send it to A&M http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/ I would try and get some sandy loam soil, some horse ****, or that chicken **** and till it in to the ground. This would be a good time to add some red worms or night crawlers as well.
While you're waiting for planting season, determine what you want to plant and see what will grow in your area and soil type. Then, after you get your rows plotted and planted (remember to leave room to get the tiller in after the plants or planted (36"-42" between rows). Collect as many leaves as you can this year so that you can cover the rows in late spring to control weeds and hold in the moisture.
That should get you going...Remember water can be your friend and/or your enemy. So use it wisely. Most plants will do well with .5"-1" water per week.
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You've got a nice size garden plot there. I've been experimenting with container gardens ( never tried raised beds) but nothing beats a good wide-open in-the-ground site (IMO).
Test your soil with a kit or by taking a sample to your local extension agent or master gardener.
Chicken poop is fertilizer par excellance but you can overdo it and burn your plants with too much nitrogen. Try burying all your fish carcasses in the area you're going to plant.
Tillers are great ( got a 6.5 hp Craftsman) but you don't need to till really deep unless you're amending the soil. Use them on the cultivation setting ( 1 to 2" deep) during the growing season so you won't disturb the micro-flora / fauna that help maintain a healthy garden environment.
Look up "Mother Earth News" for excellent advice on small-scale gardening . It's kinda hippyish but they know their stuff.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
You've got a nice size garden plot there. I've been experimenting with container gardens ( never tried raised beds) but nothing beats a good wide-open in-the-ground site (IMO).
Test your soil with a kit or by taking a sample to your local extension agent or master gardener.
Chicken poop is fertilizer par excellance but you can overdo it and burn your plants with too much nitrogen. Try burying all your fish carcasses in the area you're going to plant.
Tillers are great ( got a 6.5 hp Craftsman) but you don't need to till really deep unless you're amending the soil. Use them on the cultivation setting ( 1 to 2" deep) during the growing season so you won't disturb the micro-flora / fauna that help maintain a healthy garden environment.
Look up "Mother Earth News" for excellent advice on small-scale gardening . It's kinda hippyish but they know their stuff.
The only reason I'm going to disagree with you about the not tilling deep is those tap roots can go FAR (I've had some over 4' long on tomato and pepper plants). With the drought we've had, that dirt is hard and needs to be broken up. Otherwise, I'd agree that he could go a bit more shallow.
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Well yeah , as far as amending ( adding stuff to ) the soil goes but I wouldn't try to till deeply around established plantings . There's a lot of delicate feeder roots near the surface.
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Originally Posted By: Siberman
Well yeah , as far as amending ( adding stuff to ) the soil goes but I wouldn't try to till deeply around established plantings . There's a lot of delicate feeder roots near the surface.
I would hope he wouldn't have many established plants near this area, unless it's trees and those taproots tend to go straight down, or at least within a foot of the outer trunk.
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my raised beds have done well. In your case, you're gonna have to till it up pretty soo, and get some poop and dyno dirt there. If you don't buy a tiller, and decide to rent one, let me know, and I'll split the cost and till mine with it.
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If it wasn't so far, I'd drag my tractor up there and till it for him...However, the gas would kill me. If I were up there, I'd probably be willing to pay some crazy dude with a small 4 foot box tiller to turn the land the first time.
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Just got through with the first batch of chow chow and relish Had more than a 5 gallon bucket of green tomato and 3 gallons of bell and jalapeño peppers
We still got onions(60). That is the only thing left from last years garden. Have enough to last till we can get fresh ones if they don't all sprout out.
I got purple onions to put out, some for smaller and some to let grow larger, also have yellow tomatoes and banana peppers in the kitchen , and hope to start broccoli soon and some cabbage, quite ambitous for classes starting next week , but I am determined.
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For those of you that don't see a large number of honey bees on your plants order some Mason Bees. Easy to set up and a great pollinator for little money. Now is the time to order. They sell out fast. I am linking one site but there are others. Just google it.
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Originally Posted By: skeeter22
I'm starting to see onion sets for sale at the nurseries.
I don't think I'm going to plant onions this year...My garden does not produce very many large onions.
Onions are heavy feeders and you have to pull the dirt away from the bulbs as they grow . The upper half of the bulb should be completely exposed by the time they start to flower.
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For those of you that don't see a large number of honey bees on your plants order some Mason Bees. Easy to set up and a great pollinator for little money. Now is the time to order. They sell out fast. I am linking one site but there are others. Just google it.
Think I'm gonna try 'em this year . ( Caveat : watch any exposed wood on your house for signs of tunneling.)
I have a friend who kept his (European) hives over here for years . My fruit and veggie production was outstanding and the free honey was great.
The problem began when he started collecting wild colonies to put in the boxes. After being chased into the house several times I had to tell him to move them.
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Originally Posted By: LoneStarSon®
Originally Posted By: skeeter22
I'm starting to see onion sets for sale at the nurseries.
I don't think I'm going to plant onions this year...My garden does not produce very many large onions.
Onions are heavy feeders and you have to pull the dirt away from the bulbs as they grow . The upper half of the bulb should be completely exposed by the time they start to flower.
I know that...they do great at my other house, just not here. I'm not sure what it is. I get good sized melons, cukes and everything else, but not onions. I think part of the problem is how quickly the yard drains and there's not a dang thing I can do about that. The house is on a limestone cliff/ridge off Lake Whitney and we have excellent drainage. It could rain 6 inches in 3 hours and I won't have standing water anywhere, but a low spot on one of my sidewalks...and in my bird bath.
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The problem began when he started collecting wild colonies to put in the boxes. After being chased into the house several times I had to tell him to move them. [/color]
Almost all of my bees are wild caught. If I get a nasty hive I kill the queen and buy a new one. Been lucky so far. I've Only have had to buy a new queen a couple times.
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]I know that...they do great at my other house, just not here. I'm not sure what it is. I get good sized melons, cukes and everything else, but not onions. I think part of the problem is how quickly the yard drains and there's not a dang thing I can do about that. The house is on a limestone cliff/ridge off Lake Whitney and we have excellent drainage. It could rain 6 inches in 3 hours and I won't have standing water anywhere, but a low spot on one of my sidewalks...and in my bird bath.
Might be able to fix it but it'd probably be more trouble than it's worth.
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Almost all of my bees are wild caught. If I get a nasty hive I kill the queen and buy a new one. Been lucky so far. I've Only have had to buy a new queen a couple times.
Should have suggested that to him , I guess . I don't know if the last ones he brought were "africanized" but they certainly were aggressive. I got tagged in the same spot at the top of my left ear three times in a row and I was easily 200' from the hive.
It was an interesting experience . I came home for lunch one day to find a large swarm on a tree at my front gate. I just relaxed , walked right through 'em and they never bothered me. (For real Jedi moment. )
I completely understand why y'all do what y'all do but my ears just can't take it.
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Hi all. My wife and I just got interested in square foot gardening and I've been reading through the thread. We have the materials and a space laid out, and I'm on the way to get the compost/topsoil today. Wish us luck and I'll keep siphoning off the experience here on the thread.
Thanks to everyone who has posted questions and answers.
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Pruned fruit trees and blackberries two weeks ago. Planted collards , cabbage , lettuce, spinach and onions in large dark-colored planters yesterday. Hopefully they'll all get good roots established before any February (ice storm) suprises hit.