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Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/11/10 02:02 PM
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Fly Ty
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I made some spoon flies too, but they suck so I'm kinda not going to, um, show them, you know. Ahem. Moral of the story is that epoxy isn't in danger of going extinct any time soon. The UV cure acrylic is an additional material to use, not a replacement for anything. While I'm sure I'll eventually learn to make excellent spoonies with it, I'm just as certain it'll never do well sealing up popper bodies and that sorta thing.
Pogo- Just tried to order some last night and they where out of stock until later this week. But I did notice this video tutorial: http://www.clearcuregoo.com/page5/page16/page16.htmlFor a Wire Spoon Fly and http://www.clearcuregoo.com/page5/page12/page12.htmlFor a Silly Putty Spoon Fly Very cool ideas and looks very easy. Hope it helps with your spoons- I will be tying up a ton of those after they get more in.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: Fly Ty]
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01/11/10 03:55 PM
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Pogo
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Thanks for that. Actually, the spoon fly fascinates me, and I have made well over a dozen various kinds and types over the years. The ones I tried recently with the CCG were the Waldner pattern, and the problem was basically poor handling of the goop 'cuz I ain't used to syringes. They scare me, actually, 'specially great big horse needles like that, makes my hands shake.
There are only two types of spoonies I actually fish with, and both use mylar sub-bodies for ease of manufacture; all the others I make for personal amusement and occasional experimenting. I strive for spoons that wobble and not spin, but even then I almost never strip spoons as with normal flies. The only time I fish 'em is when sight casting, and then I present the spoon, give just one or two short strips, then either pick up and recast, or hunt for fresh targets.
It probably ought to be noted that I like fishing with poppers so much it really limits the time I spend with any other type of fly.....
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: Pogo]
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01/11/10 05:22 PM
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Salt396
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Well when the VIP hatch is on it's just tough to use anything else
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: Salt396]
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01/11/10 06:00 PM
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texasflycaster
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That clearcuregoo is pretty amazing stuff, but costs enough to be for someone SERIOUS about tying spoons. Still, very cool stuff.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: texasflycaster]
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01/12/10 12:49 AM
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Pogo
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Cost is relative. My kit cost less than half of a typical Comcast monthly bill ..... and I've never paid a penny for television in my life and never will.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/12/10 02:10 AM
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texasflycaster
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Yes it is. I have no idea what Comcast cost, but I think you are looking at 35-50 to start with the clearcuregoo setup.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/12/10 12:52 PM
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George Glazener
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I'm from the old school of the "Great Depression", and live and die by "Use It Up, Wear It Out, Make It Do, or Do Without" phylosphy. 5 minute Devcon epoxy thank you, Easier to apply, smoother application, mold it if you please - self forming on a drying wheel. Don't worry about turning yellow - just store out of sun - I have 20 year old epoxy flies that are perfectly clear. Practive - prctice - practice.  You will be surprised what you can do with a $5.00 dollar tube of Goop from Home Depot and toluene thinner, Spoon flies, Spinster heads, thread cement.... Worried about fumes? Smell a bottle of SoftTex or Dave's Flexement sometime. More ways to skin a cat than one .... 
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: George Glazener]
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01/12/10 03:16 PM
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George Glazener
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Spoon Fly Tip: Dig out an old Johnson Silver Minnow spoon from your grandpa's tackle box - take a good look at it and mold your spoon flies accordingly and they will wobble - not spin. Broader for slow wobble slim for fast. Bend hooks accordingly some kahle hooks will work w/o bending. IMO the tutorial spoon flies I have checked out will spin like a top. Spoon flies are simple and easy - use mylar braid - AC aluminum tape - foil materials available at most hobby/craft stores. Cut foil to desired shape and place on top of hook then bottom sticky side to sticky side. Use thumb and forefinger to press into spoon profile. Add stick on eyes epoxy or Goop - paint if desired. Works for me. 
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: George Glazener]
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01/12/10 08:48 PM
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Pogo
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Oh come on guys! My house is paid for, the truck is paid for, in fact everything I have is paid for, and there's no balance on the credit cards or anything, mostly because I don't have any credit cards. I've gotta throw some money around recklessly on something to keep from looking like some kind of un-Americane commie weirdo!! That's kind of a weak looking rant, but it'll have to do for today. In the meantime, I'm glad all this came up because it occasioned Mr. Glazener to let loose with a volley of really good stuff. I love it when veteran hands share their "secrets".
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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#4358208
01/13/10 04:05 PM
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hook-line&sinker
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I make my spoon flys out of small spinner blades  
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/13/10 04:25 PM
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kelkay
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VERY NICE HLS...I love them, but have not used them, or tried to make them yet.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/13/10 04:48 PM
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Salt396
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I have used those spinner blades to shape coke bottle plastic (after you heat the blade and form the plastic to that shape, it stays) and have tied a few good looking spoons that way. Something to play with. I never did however make the connection to just try and use the blades themselves... great idea, and thanks for sharing. I'll see if I can find a stainless hook to fit the eye of the blade... I've got some long shank 6s that might work. You might just inspire me to create a spoon fly I'll actually like 
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: Salt396]
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01/13/10 06:33 PM
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Johnny Angler
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Those look great HLS! You going to the pickerel event? Those spoon flies should tear them up.
FISH ON!!! ummmmm off
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/14/10 11:15 PM
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Pogo
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I'm starting to like the looks of this guy. It's of wire frame suspended epoxy type construction on a size 6 6X long hook bent to a shallow arch resembling a nymph hook. I have used the famous Dupre Spoon for inspiration. I'm pretty happy with the concave underbelly, really looks more like a classic Johnson Sprite than anything else I've managed to cobble together so far (nigh impossible to see in photo, darnit). I used my new toy, the Clear Cure Goo stuff, but it'd be easy enough using 5-minute epoxy. It's not difficult to make either, just requires a little working out and, of course, practice. Should be a simple matter to add coloration and/or glitter, also. Been meaning to get some SS wire to try as weed guards, too; maybe tomorrow.
"I Get There Eventually" -- The Paddler's General All-Purpose Motto
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 01:22 AM
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RexW
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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#4365151
01/15/10 02:07 AM
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kelkay
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 05:33 PM
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hook-line&sinker
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love that heavy mono weed guard on that spoon fly! Too many times my weed guards turn out to be bite guards 
>)));> Wishin' I was Fishin' <;(((<
“Personnel is the most vital and important aspect of any industry. If you’re just going to grind them up, it’s not going to end well for anybody.” SCOTT REINARDY
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 06:53 PM
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Pogo
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This was today's interesting exercise: collect as many different types of spoon flies as I could find laying around here. I get 16, and each is different enough in one way or another that I consider each a separate species. The latest spoon I just posted to this thread is at top center. Some of the others are also made by me, others by friends, and a couple are commercial examples. I get a endless kick out of seeing what myriad varieties the erstwhile simple spoon can take. A few highlights: The little no. 12 spoonie at bottom left is a surprisingly effective panfish fly at times, made with tin foil, used on 3 wt. The silver one to its right is an epoxyless beer can spoon fly, made by a friend. The silver one to the right of that is epoxy molded in Play-Doh by a friend who says "finally got some use out of having kids". The long skinny green and gold spoons above them are fake fingernail spoons by another friend, one with an articulating tail.
"I Get There Eventually" -- The Paddler's General All-Purpose Motto
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 07:00 PM
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rrhyne56
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Whoa! I like that little bitty one on the bottom left.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 07:03 PM
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Txredraider
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That single strand of mono for a weedguard intrigues me. Do you have to hold it in position until the epoxy cures?
"The best trips are not planned." Written here, and used by permission of, SBridgess.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 07:11 PM
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Pogo
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That single strand of mono for a weedguard intrigues me. Do you have to hold it in position until the epoxy cures? In this particular case, I cheated big time: I just aimed it like I wanted and zapped it with the light. Hah, Clear Cure Goo is really johnny-on-the-spot for positioning weed guards. But there are other, more traditional ways to accomplish same: one is to strategically pile on thread, then use Zap-A-Gap and kicker to give it a final fixing. The other is to use 5-minute epoxy and babysit it.
"I Get There Eventually" -- The Paddler's General All-Purpose Motto
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: Txredraider]
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01/15/10 07:23 PM
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Johnny Angler
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Never thought of using Play-do to make a mold. Might have to try my hand at some spoon flies doing that.
TxRR, you asked in another thread for more pickerel fly ideas. The weedless spoon just above the green fingernail spoon on the left is almost identical to my go-to spoon I used with my spinning gear when pickerel fishing. If you have time before heading out, whipping one of them up on a size 6 or 4 200R nymph hook would probably be a good idea.
FISH ON!!! ummmmm off
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 07:32 PM
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Txredraider
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Thus far, I have been successful at avoiding using epoxy for anything, but it's tempting.
"The best trips are not planned." Written here, and used by permission of, SBridgess.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 07:44 PM
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Fly Ty
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That single strand of mono for a weedguard intrigues me. Do you have to hold it in position until the epoxy cures? Pogo is right... I use the stuff almost like spot welding.. it cures in 3-5 seconds so its no big deal at all.. Did you tie that last small spoon on the bottom left? I will be tying some up too- Ill post them up after I get em done.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
[Re: Fly Ty]
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01/15/10 09:20 PM
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Pogo
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Txredaider, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I eat, breathe, and sleep epoxy. I use at least ten different types on a routine basis, even buy it by the gallon to make the boats and paddles I use for fishing. Fly Ty, yep. And I said it was foil but it ain't. Some are, but this particular one used a scrap of iridescent mylar from making larger saltwater spoons. It's tied on a dry fly hook, but probably a nymph hook woulda been better? But then, I'm starting to look at spoons a little differently. Instead of giving the body a curvature that runs at right angles to the fly centerline, I'm thinking it might be better to concentrate on achieving a Johnson Sprite/Dupre Spoon shape to get a wobbler and avoid the twirls.
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Re: Spoon Fly Tutorial
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01/15/10 09:25 PM
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Txredaider, Im on the opposite end of the spectrum. I eat, breathe, and sleep epoxy. I'm not your doctor, but I'm going to recommend that you cut back on eating and breathing the epoxy. I'll do some research on sleeping it and get back to you. Be forewarned that cutting back like this suddenly could reduce your creative fly designs and that would be bad for everyone.
"The best trips are not planned." Written here, and used by permission of, SBridgess.
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