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#4352564 - 01/11/10 09:41 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Bazztex]
Debra Hengst Offline
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Registered: 11/04/00
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Loc: San Antonio, Texas
Originally Posted By: Bazztex
If you fish tournaments long enough you will get into some crazy water that you under estimated until you are in the middle of it. The main thing is to remain calm and concentrate on driving to the best of your ability.


Amen All the years I have been behind the wheel on Texas lakes and US lakes sooner or later you will experience some big water. I have loved some of the guys faces to my left over the years, only to compliment me later on stage on my driving and ability to stay calm and get us to the ramp in one piece.

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#4354591 - 01/12/10 12:54 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Texan Til I Die]
Todd Castledine Offline
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Registered: 11/13/07
Posts: 900
Loc: Nacogdoches
Originally Posted By: Texan Til I Die
Let me throw this in for perspective.

I fished a BASS tournament out of Alexandria Bay on the St Lawrence / Lake Ontario back in 1986 when Hurricane Gloria hit New York State. It was bad but I wasn't scared.

I fished another BASS event the next year on Okeechobee and we had a storm front blow through with 40 - 50 mph gusts. It was bad but I wasn't scared.

I got caught downlake at Falcon a few years ago with sustained 30 mph north winds. It was BAD and I was SCARED!!!

I am 100% certain that had I been there for the Stren and knew that north wind was coming, I would have been fishing the Valeno or north.


I decided not to go south I actually didn't go to a single spot I had found but I did drive back home with a boat that still works which is better than most. Could I have YES, whats the point do good have no boat for the next couple of weeks and spend all my money on fixing my boat no thanks.

By the way the Velena had 2 to 3 fotters in it IN THE CREEK man that was crazy. I had trolling motor up to a spot then throw into the wind then drift back because I couldn't throw over 20 yrds.
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#4354619 - 01/12/10 01:02 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Lake Fork Guide- James Caldemeyer]
popedaddy Offline
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Registered: 03/13/09
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Oh yea well i have been to hawaii and they have some big waves there. I bet at least 7ft high. HA! take that.

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#4354813 - 01/12/10 02:03 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: 28 lb bag]
6 mile Offline
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Just to sum it up i have to say i have calculated two mercury motors being ripped off of boats due to factory mounts shearing off and i can attest because i was the co-angler in the boat on thursday as previously mentioned and as we were getting the pro's boat out of the water there was a ranger that was there with the same problem. One boat stolden several electronics ripped off as well as trolling motors just didnt seem worth it, just glad nobody lost there life. Also i can attest to the wave heights being that i made a liveing in the north atlantic in winter where sees are 40 ft plus. There were 6-9 ft waves that anglers had to endure i was only at tiger not 10 miles south at the damn.

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#4354822 - 01/12/10 02:06 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: 6 mile]
chunk&wind Offline
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Registered: 04/29/04
Posts: 316
Loc: Dallas
Anyone going to argue with a man that made a living in the North Atlantic and was on Falcon on Thursday?

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#4354824 - 01/12/10 02:06 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: 6 mile]
Lake Fork Guide-Cody Malone Offline
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we all knew it wass gunna be ruf and most guys didnt strap tms, put rods up or take graphs off? that bogles me

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#4355068 - 01/12/10 03:07 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Lake Fork Guide-Cody Malone]
Texan Til I Die Offline
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Loc: Central Texas
Originally Posted By: Cody Malone
we all knew it wass gunna be ruf and most guys didnt strap tms, put rods up or take graphs off? that bogles me
Probably the first time they had seen Falcon when it got really wrinkled.
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#4355379 - 01/12/10 04:08 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Texan Til I Die]
snickers Offline
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Registered: 05/08/09
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Well I filled my Ranger Down near The Tigers and it was not pretty.Took a hour to pump it out due to senco or several that kept sucking into the pumps,Got back to the launch ranger got me going while we went to a dryer.Got dry and went back down to the Tigers and caught one fish. So Ranger Has a great boat.And I saw waves like I care to see no more of. My reels fell apart in the rod boxes. Big Bad And Very ugly water

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#4355560 - 01/12/10 04:39 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: snickers]
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its kinda like being on a roller coaster with out the rails

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#4356199 - 01/12/10 06:29 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Texan Til I Die]
Bigron119 Offline
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Registered: 06/28/07
Posts: 2482
Loc: Lufkin, TX
Originally Posted By: Texan Til I Die
Originally Posted By: Cody Malone
we all knew it wass gunna be ruf and most guys didnt strap tms, put rods up or take graphs off? that bogles me
Probably the first time they had seen Falcon when it got really wrinkled.




Falcon "WRINKLED"! I like that description!!!
I imagine we will hear be hearing more stories about some of the damages from first hand accounts as time goes on. I guess on the other hand - people know how their boat performs and floatation and bilges work in the bad stuff.
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#4356302 - 01/12/10 06:53 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: D.Barnes]
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Loc: Shady Palms Trl. park, lot 17
Originally Posted By: Stabber
Just to clear a few things up; if you weren't there don't even try to question how big those waves were. I was there and I was in it. I did not make it back to weigh in the first day. I came around the point of the tigres trying to make my way back up the lake. Each wave I hit made my boat go completely vertical(a couple times I thought the front end was gonna come completely over). The back end of my boat went completely under water a few times. Luckily I was smart enough to know my 20' Legend would not make it back, so I headed straight to a cove just north of the tigres(nearly rolling the boat completely over a couple times just to get over there while riding in the troughs). While I was seeking shelter in that cove I saw a motor rip completely off the back of a boat trying to make his way back up the lake. I do a lot of offshore fishing and have been in 10 to 12 footers. You cannot compare the ocean to the lake it is completely different. I didnt have time to measure the waves but if I had to guess I'd say they were atleast 8 footers(that was just at the Tigres, I dont know what they were at the dam). All I know is I was doing around 3600 rpm and barely moving forward. I do think they should have cancelled that day as they knew what was coming. Then again so did the anglers including myself. I just didnt think it could get that bad but it did. Luckily there was a boat ramp in the cove I pulled into. I walked 6 miles down a dirt road till a border patrol picked me up and gave me a ride to 83. Then the good folks from Falcon Tackle picked me up and gave me a ride to my truck at county ramp. Drove back to that ramp and loaded my boat.I aslo called the TD to see if I could trailor my fish back to weigh in and he said no I had to bring them back by water even with the conditions. Well I wasnt going to risk my life or my co-anglers for fish so I just threw them back. I know one thing I learned a big lesson on running down a big lake when knowing the wind is going to blow!


Wow Stabber! That was a close call! You are lucky you did not swamp in deep water. I swamped my boat on Texoma trying to make for shore through rough waves.

She swamped about 50 yards from shore and I went over the side. Held on to the boat and was washed ashore!

I hiked about 3 miles to my truck and called for help. Wound up getting home near dark after bailing the boat and shore-hauling it to the ramp.

You were lucky/skilled or whatever to not swamp!
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#4356914 - 01/12/10 09:30 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: chuckwagon]
fosterfence Offline
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Registered: 06/24/09
Posts: 127
Loc: Dayton, TX
I was there, and it was wicked. The thing that is bothering me is: I would do it again, because on Falcon you just never know what is gonna end up on the other end of your line. Maybe it is a sickness. It did take some of the fun out of it, and definitely strengthens your relationship with God for the day. But I love that place.

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#4357340 - 01/12/10 11:32 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: fosterfence]
hit man Offline
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Registered: 12/07/09
Posts: 173
The waves where bad but not as bad as the pay outs! !!!!!!!!!!!! loco


Edited by hit man (01/12/10 11:34 PM)

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#4357425 - 01/13/10 12:32 AM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: hit man]
J C Outdoors Offline
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Registered: 03/04/04
Posts: 4725
Loc: Mesquite,TX
Originally Posted By: hit man
The waves where bad but not as bad as the pay outs! !!!!!!!!!!!! loco

I was impressed with the payouts overall. Paying back 1/3 of the field the payouts looked generous to me.

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#4357850 - 01/13/10 08:29 AM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: J C Outdoors]
Putt Offline
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Registered: 10/23/09
Posts: 41
Loc: Tennessee
I'm impressed with the payouts too............but not in a good way.

If you finish 11th you win $1500 this year.
Last year same finish would get you $3000.






Same entry fee, same expenses.
Not too good.

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#4357883 - 01/13/10 08:40 AM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Putt]
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Loc: Shady Palms Trl. park, lot 17
Originally Posted By: Putt
I'm impressed with the payouts too............but not in a good way.

If you finish 11th you win $1500 this year.
Last year same finish would get you $3000.






Same entry fee, same expenses.
Not too good.



Are there some POLITICIANS mixed in with the tournaments now?? grin breakdance rolfmao
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#4357994 - 01/13/10 09:08 AM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: chuckwagon]
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Registered: 01/07/08
Posts: 1279
Loc: San Antonio, TX
What makes Falcon so different from a lot of lakes is the combination of Falcons compass orientation(SE-NW), the long unobstructed open water in that direction and the prevailing frontal winds out of the NW. What that means is if frontal wind is able to blow some 25 mi down the lake with little diversion, waves that start out at Zapata at 2 ft can get to over 8 ft by the time they get to the sate park and dam in strong enough sustained winds out of the NW.
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#4358112 - 01/13/10 09:41 AM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Limits4all]
-Shawn- Offline
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Registered: 01/18/09
Posts: 583
Loc: Gustine TX
I can't beleive the amount of folks on here that want to argue about wave size.

I spent 5 years running a charter boat on the texas coast and know a little bit about this. Falcon Toledo and big Sam routinely get waves over 6 foot. I have been lucky enough not to get caught on Falcon in anything over 5 but that was with a 20 kt wind and was at midlake. They were bigger at the damn I am sure.

I did get caught on toledo 3 years ago 25 miles from weigh in in 40kt sustained winds and I can assure you that the waves were 8 ft. I am 6'2 and standing on the deck of my legend I could't see over the tops to se the boat row markers when we were in the trough. I ran into them the whole way and my boat made it in one peice. It was not destroyed. Like was said earlier. Though i did have to replace my trolling motor bracket.

The point is Don't argue about something you know nothing about.
For folks that fish big water alot know that big waves happen on BIG lakes. If you are not a tourney fisherman you will never see them because you probably went back to bed when you heard the wind howling.
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#4358767 - 01/13/10 12:06 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: -Shawn-]
catslayer Offline
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Registered: 03/03/08
Posts: 1529
Loc: Straight outa Johnson county.....
just gona throw this out there i was there as well and LOTS of my friends were there, it you don't belive the 10 footers that is your deal but don't call bs unless you were there it was CRAZY and 2 the guy asking about strapping stuff down my buddy had his trolling motor strapped down and it got torn out of the fiberglass conpletely... I wondered why people made the run south aswell until I saw the weigh in at the end, they made the run cause they could win down there, some guys hadn't found fish up north at all so they went were they had fish.... if you went south hope you had insureance...
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#4358799 - 01/13/10 12:18 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: hit man]
Lake Fork Guide-Cody Malone Offline
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Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 12213
Loc: Lake Fork, Texas
Originally Posted By: hit man
The waves where bad but not as bad as the pay outs! !!!!!!!!!!!! loco


no joke. 11th got 1500.00 i got 32 and got 1000.00? its kinda a joke really

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#4359385 - 01/13/10 02:24 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: -Shawn-]
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Registered: 04/01/03
Posts: 8279
Loc: Shady Palms Trl. park, lot 17
Originally Posted By: -Shawn-
The point is Don't argue about something you know nothing about.
If you are not a tourney fisherman you will never see them because you probably went back to bed when you heard the wind howling.



LOL! LOL! LOL! I'm DYIN' here!! LOL! LOL! LOL! rolfmao breakdance bouncy
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#4359633 - 01/13/10 03:41 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: chuckwagon]
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#4359699 - 01/13/10 04:03 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: Putt]
J C Outdoors Offline
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Registered: 03/04/04
Posts: 4725
Loc: Mesquite,TX
Originally Posted By: Putt
I'm impressed with the payouts too............but not in a good way.

If you finish 11th you win $1500 this year.
Last year same finish would get you $3000.

I was just looking at % paid out compared to entry fee's. I can see where the extra 50 entries with a 200 boat field would have been much better. Were they paying 50 places last year as well?






Same entry fee, same expenses.
Not too good.

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#4360137 - 01/13/10 06:01 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: J C Outdoors]
lindsfav Offline
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Registered: 01/13/10
Posts: 63
I was there at Falcon and I thank God that my boater had a normal ego and the good sense to not try to run south. We fished on the northern half of the lake, got blown around a bit, caught a few fish, had a great time, and never thought we might die. On Friday, my boater did run south, but the waves had dropped a bit (I'm guessing 4 feet in the rough areas), and he was a very skilled driver who seemed to be able to handle the boat well. It wasn't fun, but probably not dangerous.

In my opinion, the TD's primary job is to protect the co-angler. I think the tournament should have been cancelled on Thursday. As a co-angler, you are simply at the mercy of someone who might not have as much sense, or as much to lose, as you do. Not a great feeling waiting for them to call your boat number on a day like last Thursday at Falcon.

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#4360228 - 01/13/10 06:29 PM Re: American Series/Stren Falcon [Re: 28 lb bag]
fishinbob Offline
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Registered: 02/03/09
Posts: 22
I have fished all the biggest lakes in Texas my whole life and I have never seen waves as big as they were at 11am from the State park going north we had several waves that put our nose straight up in the air and this is a 21 foot boat with water from front to back. There was no going straight into them at all. I am just glad to be back.. Thanks Triton.

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