http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20091118b

#'s 474 and 475 to be added sat by your truely.... But mine will come form public waters like it should be. Not farm raised fish.

Agree w/ you Jons38225. Seems like private ponds should have their own category and not be included w/ public waters.

doctor detwiler caught a sharelunker. wonder what private lake he caught it at.

Really, #474, and 475 both? Bless you man

Honestly, why do you care where the fish comes from? How does it affect you? Were you just dying to get #473? Did it crush you?

so toyota stepped up to save the program way to go.

not at all, but the same skill to target the fish, entice the fish to take your bait, have the same open areas to have to learn and know,etc..... it is just not the same as someone who fishes a big body of water with the pressure public lakes.

Paul is a great angler an surgeon he has caught some great fish here in Lake Tyler one of the most preasured little lakes in East Texas .I know him pretty well an he did my surgery.So my CONGRATS TO PAUL nice fish. how do you no how that lake is fished (preasured)KVD fishes that same private tank so does some other pros,not so private huh. If it was so easy to catch share lunks out of private lakes why isnt every one doing it look at the numbers between private an open waters,an there are ten to twenty times more private lakes an ponds in Texas than open water lakes.I smell jelousy do your homework before you post,an give credit where credit is do.An Paul if you read this post great job man!!!
Dallas

never said I did not give him credit. and just because KVD, Ike and Skeet fish the same place does not mean it is Public. I have 14 little community ponds out in east tx that only about 100 or so people can fish and if I got one out of there it would go back.

how do you no how that lake is fished (preasured)KVD fishes that sane private tank so does some other pros,not so private huh.

I dont know, nor do I really care. It is not an open to the public water such as Fork, Ray Bob, EM, PK, etc where it take more SKILL to target fish as there is much mor water to cover, learn, know, fish correct, etc. Pond fish will take a LOT more baits than any given fish on Fork. Fish have natural habbits just as people do, but someone sheltered will be more nieve just as pond fish. It sounds as if your the one with the problem here, I posted this to GIVE credit to the fish and fisherman ( I did not see you post it, only to ride someone else's coat tails.. some friend and supporter huh?) I stated my opnion on the topic, had people agree with me and I even added a lil humor to spur the comradery of the forum to go along wiht the playful banter we all so much enjoy. You took this as a person attack on someone you think is getting shortchanged. If you smell jelousy then maybe you need to take a shower... and if you do not like my opnion then you need to click the ignore button on me because I am not going to keep it to my self, ahhh the greatness of being in america.

Surface area: 2,224 acres (Tyler West)
2,276 acres (Tyler East

Surface area: 27,264 acres (Lake Fork)

"With over 300,000 people visiting Lake Fork in a years time ...."

Can Lake tyler ( east or west) boast those numbers? Can any of the little ponds boast those numbers? I dont think so.... there is the homework, done and passed. What do you have?

If Its so easy to target these fish why is it that only 21 lunks have been caught in Private waters,compared to 452 open waters.Do you know more people fish private waters in this State than open waters.I fish at least 30 different tourneys a year for 8 years an probably only fished 25 are so give r take open water lakes.I have fished 100 are so private lakes ponds etc.Its numbers if its so easy like you say the numbers would show I just disagree,an this is a decent size little lake.An i seen no grattitude in your first post,it was as you were downing the fact he caught it in a private lake (like it should be)thats why you dont make the rules.Numbers dont lie

Awesome fish no matter where it's caught.

You add up private waters compared to open waters over double surface area you failed your home work

I failed? Whatever dude. You just earned the lil check box for ignore! I really HATE people that dislike something yet are so drawn to it to tell others why they are right when they can just not read it and move on. MY personal opnion is IT IS A PUBLIC deal as should be a PUBLIC WATER EVENT. If it was all the same why does someone not just go and buy lake fork fry and build a pond and raise the next world record? That fish will be worth over a mil plus perks. Now if YOU dont like MY PERSONAL OPNION then do not read it. Click the lil ignore box under my name and be done with it. Also I did nto see anythign to prove your lil ponds get anywhere near the pressure that the lakes I named do. So again you failed, and now you dont even get to know what I think of your reply to this. Thanks and good luck to you.

Agree it is an awesome fish, never said it was not. I just think there should be some sort of regs on it so someone does not just build a SAL or world record tank and farm raise them. To me that is no different then hunting deer at the feeder after they are trained to eat at a time of day in a spot.

AGAIN THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPNION AND NOT THE OPNION OF ALL BASS FISHERMEN, TFF, TP&W.... ALL OPNIONS EXPRESSED DO NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE TFF, BASS,FLW,ETC.....

my little ponds (ha ha)dont get stocked with bass every year either.Lake fork stocking 13.092.653 large mouth bass an a whole lot of them are share lunker strain,an most are florida bass.These open water lakes are getting stocked on a regular bases these (lil)private tanks do not get stocked as much an do not produce a lot of share lunkers it is harder to go out an catch a share lunker in private waters than open waters,again its in the numbers.

Guys it's just BASS FISHING.. lets try to keep it FUN and less Personal... Chill the argument OK?

Bazz

Amen to that Bazz.

These fish will spawn at the Freshwater Fisheries Center, more than likely more than once, and the progeny that these fish produce during their spawns at the FFC will be placed, at least in part, in public waters. For this reason alone, I believe that they are a very useful addition to the Sharealunker program

I agree SAL should not be recognized on Private Water

I think some of you guys have a misunderstanding of the SAL program. The program is set up to hopefully improve the genetic potential of largemouth bass that will be stocked in our resevoirs. Why would it matter where the fish comes from? The program is not designed to give the angler a merit badge saying
"look at me, I caught a big fish". It will hopefully benefit all the bass fisherman.

jealously, that's all.

Well put doc, that is my understanding as well. Once the eggs are pulled off a fish, the fry don't know where momma came from, nor their daddy.

They run around asking, "Whos yo' daddy?"

The Dr caught a SAL,,,im just now finding out about it. Congrats Dr! Glad to see the SAL is up and running in full strength. I wish I could get out on that private lake.

I got a question about the SAL Program. You hear about all the large females caught and donated to the program (don't matter public or private waters). My question is where do they get the TROPHY MALES to fertilize the eggs and improve the gene pool?



Rob

My congrats to DR. Paul... That is an awesome fish whether public or private. Good Post Doctorb you described the SAL program the way I believe it to be intended. That has to feel awesome to have the only SAL weighed in from a private pond in November.

Jody

I wonder if Farmed raised fish have less egos than public raised fish?


you can decide for yourself if that was a typo.


Congrats to the angler!

Mexicajun1 they use brooder males from previous years SAL breedings that way we can have almost pure Florida strain

+1 I'm sensing a lottabit of jealousy here...great fish no matter where it came from

The SAL program exists soley to improve the trophy potential of bass fishing in Texas. Where the fish came from is irrevelant as far as the program is concerned.

Right,while we all would like to catch a SL,it's pure luck as to whether you get a 13 pound bite at the right time of year. It ain't skill;it's luck.

Sorry Jon, I have to disagree with you. Skill is not always invovled, if so most of these guides and pro's would be the only one's turning in share lunkers. You forgot about luck. What about the guys who have been out fishing for crappie and catfish and wind up catching a sharelunker? Congrats to Dr. Paul and let him enjoy his catch!

Exactly, the more SAL's the more fry for restocking. Doesn't matter where they come from. Glad Toyota stepped up and continued the program.

Thanks for the input I appreciate it. Always wondered where the other half of the GOOD Genetics came into play.


Rob

Really? I doubt that 75%! While there is some LUCK involved in BASS fishing, it takes skill to target fish, find what fake foodish look a like plastic lure to throw, the size, speed, depth, action, when to change, what to change too,etc... That is not luck, that is a skill that we all as bass fishermen learn and try to perfect each and evert trip. (unless I am wrong in thinking that as this is what I do) I am not talking about the guys out cat/crappie fishing and happen along a fish like that, as I count that a a small % of the luck I eluded too earlier in this post. Sorry but KVD, Skeet, Ike, Ish...etc do not go out there on luck.

If they take it as a Sharelunker then it's good no matter where or how he caught it stop the if you don't care then stop talking about it. Nice fish congrats...

Congrat's to the Angler who caught the Share Lunker! Do you think that the fish knows whether it is on a private lake or in public waters??? Even if the fish was in a bucket...you still have to get her to bite. The main point of the TPWD program is it is breeding a better strain of fish for the future of Texas Anglers. As a Grandfather I hope they grow them big enough that my grandson thinks he will be pulled out of the boat.

+1000 good post fun-n-sun.

i think we just need to congratulate the man on a job well done.the sal is a benefit for all of us angler's no matter where it is caught.once again congatulations on a great catch.

I'd like to see a pic of this trouble maker...the fish, not the Dr..

The SAL program is not an award, it's a program to attempt to increase the trophy potential for Texas waters. It is undeniable that he entered a fish. Thats all the artical said. Why is everyone talking about if it should "count". Count for what?

Dude the program is for better fisheries for the future,but to say its not a reward or award is crazy,big achievment for the angler,a bass fishermans dream.The reason is cause the angler caught a big fish an knowing he is helping the fishing of future bass fisherman,which is reward an should get a award,which he does(replica).

I'm confused, are you ignoring him or is he ignoring you??? I see he earned an ignore from you but then you told him again to click ignore on him??? These posts get really old seeing someone get their feelings hurt because he put his opinion out there to be stepped on, but when it does they get all defensive. IMO a 13 pounder is a 13 pounder. Was it hatched in a swimming pull and caught as a Sal?? The answer is no. Was it caught during a 200 boat tournament on a community hole at a little public lake, the answer is no. I have never caught a 13 pounder but I feel if I go to a private lake and catch one that it is something to be proud of. The purpose of Sal program is to breed good stock for the future in hopes to produce bigger bass, that is first priority. If it were a record club just for bragging rights then set up some stipulations, otherwise catch a big fish and help preserve our sport we all love so much!

Joey thank you very much I like you already,no but for real a great post good fishing to you man,fish hard

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I'm confused, are you ignoring him or is he ignoring you??? I see he earned an ignore from you but then you told him again to click ignore on him??? [/quote]

I am ignoring him, and I was trying ot help him do the same for me. I was just trying ot help him censor the forum more to meet his needs of people not putting their opnion out there. How will they keep the lakes stocked with the same strain? What will happen when they take fish form ponds, other lakes, etc and cross breed them and put them in a random lake? Is that not what they do/did with hybrid bass? They are trying to play GOD to create things that HE might not of intended. There are a few other things that I FEEL about this but, it seems as if this is not the place to express fishing opnions and discuss topics freely.

I DisAgree

It's clear the Program is not working, Catch seem to decline yearly comparing to the start of the Program.

Plus many 13lb plus Bass Die while in holding tank waiting to be picked up, or In transportation to Athens.

A few years ago, TPWD killed almost all the SAL they were holding for breeding

Red Ranger, TRUE. I think the entire program as a whole is a success. Education, stockings...but does the actual breeding portion of the program(SAL) add to the trophy potential of the lakes included? I dont think it does. We have not developed a super race of LMB for Texas. The largest contributing factor to lake records being raised and trophys being caught was their introduction of Florida strain bass in the late 70's and early 80's!

Like to get me some SAL.

Ok we have had 243 share lunkers caught in lake Fork,an just since 06 they have put back 10,697 sharelunker strain into Fork.This is just one lake guys, come on thats huge.I guess thats why ive heard the words (you cant please everyone),some one is always gonna gripe about a good cause.Sure there might be flaws in some areas,but deal with em,thats gonna come with just about anything in life,If life was perfect it would not be a challenge,an not be any fun.MY CONGRATS TO TPW,GREAT JOB!!!!!An yah keep them sharelunks coming(private or open waters).

Man! this is intense... I ignored this post they other day just laughing when I saw the debate begin. Finally someone pointed out the purpose of the program "to help get the best possible genetics re stocked in our lakes." As far as the GOD's intentions comment How is it any different than breeding horses for racing, bulls for bucking, and dogs for show? It is pretty simple IMO if your trying to grow big bass...use big bass for breeding doesnt matter where they came from a 13 lb fish is a 13 lb fish.

I was wondering the same thing. I congratulate anyone catching a fish of that magnitude, private or public.

I will go with you...

I would rather enter the SAL from a private water only to save the name of the public water. No one truly knows 100% what goes on in private waters as far as stocking and managment wise. All the fish go too a great cause but yes, just out of bragging rights I believe there should be a private waters/public waters. Another question...Can you enter a SAL and leave the lake Anonymous?

why would you want the pond fish in a different catigory??? Share lunker is a breeding program, doesn't it make sence to get as much diverse genetic material as possible??? As many of those good genes as possible no mater where they come from??? It's not like they are putting a limit on the numbers lol whats the dif in getting 500 or 501 or 1000? eventually those numbers are gona come up... if we do our job right that is lol

ok here is a question or should I say comment...

Sharelunker is a program designed to keep a "good" gene pool of Texas bass growing into monsters. The simple fact is the native fish of Texas never grew over 13.5lbs. and that was held for like 40+ years. Now they introduced strains of bass from Florida, California, and even Cuba. Then we got a 18.18lb bass soon after!! So, here is a thought for you all to think about. Is your fish you love so much in a "public" lake a real Texan fish or just a manufactured gene strain of other bass from other places around the world?

Our "public" lake is not so different from a "private" lake at all if you think about the gene pool.

You can say how hard it is to catch fish from one spot to another thats what I like about bass fishing. Heck if it was easy who would do it??

The fact of the matter is the rules are stated pretty clear and who cares where you caught the fish as long as the rules were followed!

You stuck him in the mouth and it counts!! Great job!!

Sorry guys, but the SAL is a total waste of money. California is the only state that even comes close to the record, and I believe the whole point of the SAL program according to the state is to create a fish to beat the world record. In all honesty if they really want big fish they need some of those California fry from the bass that actually get that big (20+ lbs). Just for the record I hate California and am a life long Texan!

I think the same thing I think SAL is a waste of money. To me if SAL was not around we would have already have caught a 20lb. fish out of Texas. Just think about it. If people would have just took a pictures and let the fish go they would have grown bigger. I know not all the fish die, but alot of them do. Just take Choke Canyon for example look at all the 15lb. that died just this year from entering them into SAL. I know that it for the most part is not the handling of the fish from SAL, but the handling of the fish before they get them that makes the diff. if they live or die. But if they would have just took a picture the fish would still be swimming around and getting bigger. To me the only reason we have bigger fish than we had before is because of the Floride strain of bass. I wish TPW would stop SAL for five years and just stock fish out of the normal hatchery. I bet we start seeing more lake records. This is just what I think so if you have something that would change my mind please let me know. Thanks Justin

If it is for breeding and growing bigger fish, or a better chance at the fish.... then WHY will they NOT take it if it is not 100% flordia strain? I remember earlier this year there was 1 or 2 SAL's that got the hoorah from the state, but where not used in the breeding as they where not 100% fla. Haw can they know the genetics of a fish that comes form a priv pond, know the fishs' blood line has not been exposed to chemicals from land run off, if is it some hybric radical cross breed...etc?

I would say, were it not for the SAL program, many of the SALs would have been mounted for the wall. At least there is some good in that aspect. Plus, in looking at the decline in SAL numbers, I think the sky rocket in numbers of anglers in recent years is a variable to be considered.

As much pressure as bass get everywhere, its a miricle to me that anyone can go out and catch one.

The program is not for prestige, its for a breeding/stocking program- the only person who should care whether it came from private waters is the OWNER of the private water from which it was taken.

Go to to your Hyperbaric Chamber.