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#4129044 - 11/07/09 11:00 PM Let's talk Heisman a bit
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Who do you see is in the running? I honestly think there are 4 real guys in the running Tebow, McCoy, Ingram, and Keenum.

To be honest I think that Tebow will win it cause he is the medias baby, especially since they will not have USC to hang their hat on this year. But he is not the most deserving player this year. I'll list all their main stats for this season below.

Mark Ingram RB Alabama

Rushing yards 1004
TD 8
RCV Yrds 186
TD 3

Tim Tebow QB Florida
Passer Rating 153.7
Yards 1323
TD 10
INT 4
comp% 64.7
Rushing yards 551
TD 8


Colt McCoy QB Texas

passer rating 144.6
yards 1977
TD 15
INT 8
Comp % 78.6
Rushing
Yards 138
TD 1

Case Keenum QB Houston

Passer rating 159.3
yards 3293
TD 25
INT 5
Comp % 71.6
Rushing
Yards 74
TD 3

Well there it is all laid out for you. We all know that Case will not win. Houston had it's 15min of fame in 1989 with Andre Ware and the Downtown Athletic Club is not going to give it to a system QB which is what Case is. Yes his numbers are awesome, but he is just like a Texas Tech QB a product of the system. (oh and this is my own feelings, but he should not win it because his dad is a horrible football coach. He had a terrible record as the head coach at McMurry University where he went winless for like 3 years).

Mark Ingram will not win the trophy cause he has kinda come down to Earth the last four weeks. He had a good game against LSU, but not great. Unless he goes wild and avg about 150yrd.game and 2td/game then he is out.

Colt McCoy will not win for two reasons. First he is not having as good a year as he had last year which was an amazing year. Second he plays at Texas, and there is enough Texas hate to keep him from winning.

Tim Tebow will win the Heisman this year becoming just the second player to ever win it more than once (see Ohio St's Archie Griffin). Tim is a great player and he deserved to win when he did, but this year he is not the best player in College football. The only thing that might keep him from winning is if the votes in the South region get split between him and Ingram or McCoy.

I see the voting coming down to this
1. Tebow
2. McCoy
3. Ingram
4. Keenum
5. Clausen
6. Moore


What say you? Who wins and why?
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#4129078 - 11/07/09 11:29 PM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: RATZ]
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I say give it to Cody @ Alabama.

That guy is a monster.
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#4129109 - 11/07/09 11:46 PM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: _Ryno_]
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Why does it always have to be a QB/RB??

I wish ppl would start looking at Shipley from Texas... He's a game changing WR AND kick returner..

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#4129113 - 11/07/09 11:48 PM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: BassFever]
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Originally Posted By: BassFever
Why does it always have to be a QB/RB??

I wish ppl would start looking at Shipley from Texas... He's a game changing WR AND kick returner..


He's awesome, but not the best football player in the country.
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#4129147 - 11/08/09 12:28 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: _Ryno_]
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Originally Posted By: _Ryno_
Originally Posted By: BassFever
Why does it always have to be a QB/RB??

I wish ppl would start looking at Shipley from Texas... He's a game changing WR AND kick returner..


He's awesome, but not the best football player in the country.


I like McCoy also... But he's also NOT the best player in the country.

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#4129230 - 11/08/09 06:15 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: BassFever]
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The Heisman is supposed to go to the BEST college player, and this year that just might be Ndamukong Suh, a defensive lineman from Nebraska. Of course this will never happen, but this guy is awesome.

My personal choice of course is Colt McCoy, but I fear Ratz is right. Tebow is the media darling and that's who votes.
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#4129280 - 11/08/09 07:20 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Dirty30]
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How in the world do you not consider Jimmy Clausen? He's got better stats than McCoy including total yards, TDs, rating, etc. Oh, and your boy McCoy has 9 INTs and Clausen only has 3.

A fair and UNBIASED view of the Heisman watch
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#4129297 - 11/08/09 07:36 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Scagnetti]
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Originally Posted By: Scagnetti
How in the world do you not consider Jimmy Clausen? He's got better stats than McCoy including total yards, TDs, rating, etc. Oh, and your boy McCoy has 9 INTs and Clausen only has 3.

A fair and UNBIASED view of the Heisman watch

Even your Fair and Unbiased view of the Heisman watch has Clausen falling among the prospects. He probably should be a candidate, but history shows (fair or not), that players from lower ranked teams don't win this award. ND is 6-3 and will fall out of the Top 25 BCS due to yesterday's loss to Navy.
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#4129300 - 11/08/09 07:39 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: RATZ]
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McCoy hands down, because it's TEXAS football, anything else is 2nd rated!!! nuts
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#4129361 - 11/08/09 08:10 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Kingfisher196]
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#4129491 - 11/08/09 09:09 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Dirty Bass]
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Tebow's team has won 19 in a row. Sometimes its about leadership and not necissarily stats.

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#4129552 - 11/08/09 09:32 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Pete ProCraft]
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As much as i would hate to say it,i think Tebow will get it if FLA beats Alabama just because he is so loved by the media.But if Alabama beats FLA and Ingram has a big day then it might be Ingram.Colt has been decent but not having consistant #'s all year.
Some other names to watch as long shots but i doubt they will get any press are:
Toby Gerhart rb Stanford
Dion Lewis rb Pitt
Kellen Moore qb Boise St
Golden Tate wr ND
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#4129635 - 11/08/09 10:11 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Bounty Hunter]
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#4129642 - 11/08/09 10:15 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: butch sanders]
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Mark Ingram deserves it as much as anybody in the running. This guy is gaining TOUGH yards, not wide open holes and open field. He is gaing most of his yards after contact. Says alot. I don't think Tebow gets it. I think to get it twice, he would have to be running the ball alot more than he has this year. He isn't breaking records this year like he did when he won it. Not saying that Ingram is breaking records. Just breaking tackles.
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#4129690 - 11/08/09 10:43 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Wylie Crappieman]
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Houston QB might slip in.

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#4129725 - 11/08/09 10:51 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Dirty30]
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Originally Posted By: Dirty30
The Heisman is supposed to go to the BEST college player, and this year that just might be Ndamukong Suh, a defensive lineman from Nebraska. Of course this will never happen, but this guy is awesome.

My personal choice of course is Colt McCoy, but I fear Ratz is right. Tebow is the media darling and that's who votes.


+1 on the Ndamukong Suh
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#4129730 - 11/08/09 10:53 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Derek]
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why is cody mccoyt even being mentioned?
just because he plays for horns?

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#4129748 - 11/08/09 11:03 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: butch sanders]
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Originally Posted By: butch sanders
why is cody mccoyt even being mentioned?
just because he plays for horns?


who? if you mean Colt McCoy well he stll has great numbers and his comp% is amazing. And he wins, more than anything he runs the team, and drives them.
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#4129794 - 11/08/09 11:27 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: RATZ]
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what is a colt mcboy?

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#4129799 - 11/08/09 11:30 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: butch sanders]
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what is a colt mcboy?


you are so confusing
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#4129810 - 11/08/09 11:33 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: butch sanders]
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Hey Butch you going to the game Saturday? Looks like we are getting there pretty early to tailgate.
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#4129813 - 11/08/09 11:33 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: butch sanders]
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what is a colt mcboy?


The QB of the best team in the nation

The QB who is about to break the record for all time wins in College Football

The QB who had the highest completion % in a single season, ever.

The QB who is 3-0 in bowl games and 3-1 vs Oklahoma
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#4129818 - 11/08/09 11:35 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: _Ryno_]
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Originally Posted By: butch sanders
what is a colt mcboy?


The QB of the best team in the nation

The QB who is about to break the record for all time wins in College Football

The QB who had the highest completion % in a single season, ever.

The QB who is 3-0 in bowl games and 3-1 vs Oklahoma
The QB with a smoking hot girlfriend
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#4129822 - 11/08/09 11:36 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: Dirty Bass]
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Originally Posted By: Dirty Bass
Originally Posted By: _Ryno_
Originally Posted By: butch sanders
what is a colt mcboy?


The QB of the best team in the nation

The QB who is about to break the record for all time wins in College Football

The QB who had the highest completion % in a single season, ever.

The QB who is 3-0 in bowl games and 3-1 vs Oklahoma
The QB with a smoking hot girlfriend



thumb i believe she goes to baylor
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#4129854 - 11/08/09 11:57 AM Re: Let's talk Heisman a bit [Re: JDB76]
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HE77 yeah for Saturday
we tail gate by Daniel Meyer
the lot
is on the SE corner of the stadium.

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