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#3861260 - 08/25/09 06:03 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: GoArmy]
jeepthing Offline
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Registered: 08/09/08
Posts: 1390
Loc: McKinney, TX
Originally Posted By: GoArmy (evv59)
Originally Posted By: safisher
Seems like if you had a couple of regular vests on the boat somewhere you would meet the regulation; don't have to actually wear them.

BINGO!!! As goofy as it sounds a Game Warden told me. Having an inflatable in your boat only counts if your wearing it at all times. To get around that just have a type 4 on board for everyone that is using an inflatable. IT JUST HAS TO BE ON BOARD.


That makes sense to me now,
Thanks GoArmy.
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#3861480 - 08/25/09 06:52 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: jeepthing]
Big Red 12 Offline
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Registered: 04/21/05
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Loc: Crandall, TX
We use the Mustang inflatable that is by water pressure. A GW on Fork told my son to take it off, we must have a regular LifeJacket in the boat. I carry two in my hull. So, we can remove them in the summer.
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#3862709 - 08/25/09 11:37 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: Whisker Wrangler]
knozzleman Offline
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Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 598
Loc: crandall
Originally Posted By: Whisker Wrangler
Wait I am confused... so if I take my boat out to the lake, and drive around, and stop and fish, do I actually have to be wearing a life jacket??? I thought you just had to have them in the boat just in case??? I have been stopped by the GW before in the middle of the lake, and I wasnt wearing a life jacket,, and I have never seen anyone wear a life jacket on the lake before except kids..

What they are talking about are the automatic inflatable types, I did not know this till last week when I was checked at Sandlin, but these are only considered a pfd if you are wearing it, it cannot be lying on the seat, floor, etc. you must have a regular pfd in sight in the boat if you take these off according to the lake patrol that checked us.
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#3862845 - 08/26/09 02:15 AM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: Dwight]
The Fishing Physicist Offline
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Registered: 02/13/03
Posts: 16993
Loc: Château d'If
I just came across this:
Quote:
Ken Warren

I would be glad to clear this up for you, and please pass this e-mail on to the person who was cited for having only an inflatable vest in the boat. There are Type V inflatable PFDs that have restricted approval and are approved only when worn. However, this does not apply to all Type V inflatable PFDs. There are no wear restrictions for any of the Type II or Type III inflatable PFDs (except for age, see below).

Please read the approval label on the PFD. If an inflatable PFD has a wear restriction it will be clearly stated on the approval label on the PFD.


The reason some Type V inflatable PFDs are required to be worn is because of the CO2 inflation system used on that PFD, and not because of the ease or difficulty in putting the PFD on in the water. In the past CO2 inflation systems did not have what we call "cylinder seal indication" and a person had to open up the cover of the PFD and remove the CO2 cylinder in order to see if the cylinder is still good (not spent). But there are newer CO2 inflation systems now available that have cylinder seal indication and when combined with a viewing window on the front of the PFD, allow the user to see at a glance if his inflation system is properly armed (even while wearing the PFD).

The US Coast Guard (USCG) now requires that manufacturers use the new CO2 inflation system with "cylinder seal indication" if they wish to label the PFD as a Type II or III inflatable PFD and thus no wear restrictions. But we also allow manufacturers to continue to use the older inflation system. But these inflatable PFDs must be worn at all time to count towards USCG carriage requirements. The reason for this is that if a person is wearing their inflatable all the time, he or she will most likely inspect it and ensure that it is armed, and in good serviceable condition.

If you have a Type II or Type III inflatable PFD there are no wear restriction except for the age limit. All US Coast Guard approved inflatable are approved only for persons at least 16 years of age and only when used in accordance with the owner's manual. This is true for the older Type II and Type III inflatable PFD which did not have a wear requirement when they were produced and do not have cylinder seal indication. The approval label is what the boarding officer should be going by when inspecting your PFD.

So what does all of this mean to you? You said: "I normally wear it while moving but while fishing I remove it." If you have USCG approved inflatable PFD Type II, or Type III or a Type V PFD that does not have a wear restriction, then you may continue to use this PFD in this manner and the PFD (if properly armed and in good serviceable condition) will count for carriage requirement even when you are not wearing it. However, if your inflatable is a Type V PFD approved ONLY WHEN WORN, then if you take it off when you are fishing, you better have another USCG approved PFD that is not required to be worn onboard or you will be at risk of a citation.

Something to keep in mind: the main advantage of inflatables is that they are comfortable for continuous wear. So why take if off when you are fishing. There is an article called: "The Other 20%--When Wearing a Life Jacket Is Not Enough" By CDR Kim Pickens, U. S. Coast Guard Reserve (Operation BoatSmart Project Officer) that can be found at the following website:

http://www.usps.org/national/eddept...20__handout.pdf

One of the points in this article deals with wearing your PFD and states: "We know that the greatest cause of death among boaters is drowning due to unexpected entry into the water. And since you as a boater don't know when that entry might happen, the time you need to have your jacket on is before you ever get on the boat!"

I hope this helps clear this up for you.

Dan McCormick U.S.C.G. Headquarters, Room 1308 2100 Second Street, S.W. Washington, DC 20593 Phone: 202-267-1444 Fax: 202-267-1069


TFP
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#3863140 - 08/26/09 07:44 AM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: The Fishing Physicist]
quit Offline
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Registered: 06/04/09
Posts: 832
Loc: nw Harris County
Thank you, TFP for the USCG explanation about inflatable pfd's. It says it all, but requires re-reading to finally understand (at least for me). Mr McCormick covered the subject thoroughly.
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#7135086 - 02/05/12 03:07 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: Dwight]
Dwight Offline
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Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 1638
Loc: Joshua, TX
Always good info...
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#7135159 - 02/05/12 03:26 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: Dwight]
Txduckhunter Offline
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Registered: 02/19/02
Posts: 571
Loc: Lake Fork
If you ever have the misfortune to be involved in a body recovery from drowning, you will QUICKLY learn your lesson.. Been there, done that, several times. Not one of them were wearing ANY typed of PFD.

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#7135364 - 02/05/12 04:11 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: Dwight]
texcajun Offline
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Registered: 01/31/03
Posts: 2635
Loc: The Woodlands Texas
Call me goofy, but now that I have an inflatable PFD, anytime I'm in the boat, I have it on. Way more comforatable than the old school ones and I forget I am wearing it.
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#7137398 - 02/06/12 07:45 AM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: texcajun]
barbarian Online   content
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Registered: 04/21/10
Posts: 313
Originally Posted By: texcajun
Call me goofy, but now that I have an inflatable PFD, anytime I'm in the boat, I have it on. Way more comforatable than the old school ones and I forget I am wearing it.


I know this post is from 09 and have no idea how it was found without the search working, but I agree with you texcajun. I fish alone 90% of the time and wear my inflatable from dock to dock. If I go over, it won't be on purpose. As I've gotten older I think about stuff a little different. What if I land on a stump, water is cold this time of year, what if I bump my head on the side of the boat, what if nobody sees me fall in? I wear my inflatable and usually forget I have it on. Topic is worth bringing back up to the top. I also do keep regular life jacket in the boat just in case.


Edited by barbarian (02/06/12 07:47 AM)

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#7140767 - 02/06/12 09:48 PM Re: Anyone stopped for not wearing their Type V.... [Re: Dwight]
Eastexn Online   content
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Registered: 08/10/10
Posts: 465
Loc: East Texas, Lake Palestine
The reason I paid the big price for the inflatable is so it would be comfortable enough to wear while fishing. So, I wear it all of the time I am out in my fishing boat. And, I don't even know it is on.

When I am out on the Pontoon barge, I usually don't wear it.

I am 75 and don't mind admitting I don't have the balance I used to have. Falling overboard is something I would prefer not do.
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