Wolfman,

You are right! Thats why you soak some of the cubes in oil. They break down very very slowly.

Jason it wil be a blast to have those big buffs on camera when they are feeding heavy at your playground at fork

well I just wanted to point out that it was whipped down the shaft and they fish still managed to mess it all up, IF there would have been a rig or some tubing on the shaft of that hook it would have been caught because it would not have turned and failed like it did ...the hook at that angle caught the fishes mouth and kept the rig from working.

I am going on the record now and saying I have never used a range cube as bait and don't ever plan to.

Yeah zach I see it now but this is a VERY strange angle and I am sure your rig would have made no difference at all

BLASPHEMY!

Leo, about to reply to the PM....

Love this stuff, its been awhile since we got all technical in the rough fish section....

My rig....as shown on page 4 would have work because this fish was feeding with out caution, the only reason it didn't get hooked was because of a lousy rig that when the take occurred it was so violent that it turned the hook on its and only the hair and bait entered its mouth and turned the hook on its side and prevented it from working.

imagine what the rig would have looked like if there would have been a rig ring at the base of the turn in the hook...its all theory but it would have drawn the hook point right to the carp's mouth....

Zach,

You may want to reconsider the range cube. I witnessed Donny catch his 60 with a cube. Al St Cyr has caught many big fish with cubes. He is the one that told me about soaking them in oil. Oh yeah, how could I forget, I caught a 70 on a cube. lol! It's hard to disagree with those results.

Donny's 65 lb 2 oz buff, it came on a single piece of maize.

Another bait to consider when fish are cautious, baits that float. They are much more difficult for fish to eject.

My rig....as shown on page 4 would have work because this fish was feeding with out caution, the only reason it didn't get hooked was because of a lousy rig that when the take occurred it was so violent that it turned the hook on its and only the hair and bait entered its mouth and turned the hook on its side and prevented it from working.

imagine what the rig would have looked like if there would have been a rig ring at the base of the turn in the hook...its all theory but it would have drawn the hook point right to the carp's mouth.... [/quote


LOL Zach if the carp realy like the bait because youve been baiting up...so the carp knows how tasty it is
Its no problem that he miss the bait the first time he grabs it he just turns around and grabs it AGAIN
You trust your rig and realy want to make it work....so it works
I have pretty good confidence in mine and it works to!!
As long as you know how a good rig work you can catch but I like to keep it simple and you like to experiment
There is nothing wrong with that ...BUT there are a lot of guys now experimenting with different baits and if they start experimenting with rigs at the same time they dont know what to do if something goes wrong!!!

Jason,

I have been and always will be a boilie guy, don't want to brag but when it comes to catching 30+ carp in Texas I have done pretty well, I don't have confidence in using cubes as bait...I have seen them work but they are not for me I prefer snow man or greedy pig rigs or if I am going small I use one single bit of fake maize that has been flavored and I hide that in a ball of method....

Leo,
I get the carp comics Euro carp mags (and thats what they are laughable for the most part,,,I see rigs in them with 14 steps on how to tie them...at that point someone some were is just trying to sell some noddy on a bunch of stuff they do not need) but I really belive that a ring or some tubing on the shaft of the hook gives the bait range of movement and allows the hook to find a perfect spot in the bottom lip....

Since when don't you want to brag, you self promoter! lol

not sure what you mean Richard....

I think there is a time for each. A range cube in fall/winter is deadly for buffs. But I catch les carp on them. In spring my results are better on boilies, heat of summer... tigers. These are all big fish tactics if you ask me. If I am after numbers I fish maize.

Bait is a whole other topic, but you will never see me hair rig a cube....for a number of reasons I am just out on that....I will stack 3 18mm boilies up and cast my rig out with a packing peanutt and know that its perfect on the lake bottom.....even soaked in oil after 45 minutes it would drive me mad wondering if I had any bait left....

We have a free to watch online video category: http://www.k-1baits.com/OnlineStore/

Some videos are a "How to" and others are simply for entertainment.

And here's a bump....great thread on rigs for the new guys and a chance to watch carp feed....

Check out this video. He explains about leaving space between the hook and boilies. So when they spit it out it spins and hooks them. He seems like an a-hole but carp fishing is more popular in europe so they should know.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL35k8YgWCY

lol..This thread was a lot of fun..what happend with that under water video about all sorts of rigs

it works for me , although most here dont seem to like it that well .

I ALWAYS have a distance of 5-10mm between the bait and the bend of the hook

if your bait is actually touching your hook will this affect hook-ups?

Yes steven bc the hook is not moving free from the bait ..the short or no distance from the bait makes the whole rig stiff
So it does not grab the carps mouth the right way

I recently started using coated braid for my hook-link and have noticed my hook ratio drop, I would get many mini-runs and it seems they spit the hook, I did use rig tubing to align the hook but did not help, my hook was pretty much touching my maize so I am not sure why I am losing fish, on several runs I would get actual hook-up only to lose the fish after a very short fight.

try stripping a little section off above the hook like a inch or so. that will make a hinge and allow the hook to move and be harder for them to spit it out.

If your fishing 3 rods experiment with different lengts of hairs and hooklinks and see wich ones are working for ya at that lake
Thats what i am doing all the time..it works for me

thanks guys, I will try playing with both options and see if things improve.