Thats awesome Zach thanks for posting the how to, im going to order some rings and tie up a few. Does it matter what kind of hook is used in the rig or will any carp hook work?

Any hook should work just fine

zach what keeps the ring from sliding up and down ?

I think the point is for it to slide Jesse, putting the hook in the best hook up position.

Yes Josh pretty much nailed it, the idea is that it dose move to allow the hook a great range of motion to get the point or fulcrum in the best spot to land it's self firmly in the fish's mouth. Its a very effective rig and easy to tie.

Leo, sorry if I sounded like a tool in this thread...you have years of experience on me and after re-reading your post I see what you are saying about the fish getting used to larger baits so they will be more apt to take a hook bait with extreme prejudice and it makes sense and something I have never thought of before, but in the video I am convinced that it was just a poor rig that kept the fish from being hooked....

Now after thinking on it when you are doing a baiting campaign do you add ingredients to your baits that make them heavier and then fish a more buoyant hook bait?

cool, i will have to give this rig a shot as well,

Zach, is this rig the most often rig you use for a given session, unless you feel a new rig is in order?

I have 2 ways of baiting up one for the river where I expect a lot of fish bream,chub and different size of carp

And I fish a recreation lake were I fish sinds a kid in this water I fish with just boilies 2 sizes 25mm and 30mm And some hand rolled sizes in between
Some of these boilies I dont roll at all I just lay big sausages on the rolling table and just push the 2 halves together
And mix all these different shapes and sizes together for baiting up
So carp have to use different suction power to get them in to there mouths
Its the same as they do in nature the mussels have different sizes to and they are not round

Now the river is totally different We bait up 100-200pound of soaked mais PLUS 50pounds of different sizes of boilies on top of that 3days before a long session
What happens then is on the first day you get a lot of fish on the bait and the bigger carp are dominating the smaller fish away
all that before you start fishing..

Then when we start its just topping of with big boilies for the rest of the week and it realy works ...FOR US!!!!

I can only share what happens here with us but I dont know what happens if you try this method in texas...BUT IT COULD WORK

hey grasshopper if it aint broke , dont fix it ...just saying ( i havent ever seen you get skunked before ,cough cough )

thanks josh for the info but i still cant imagine what you are saying , im the type that has to see something to understand it . the ring just seems plain useless to me . but thats me

leo i wish i had a mentor like you in dallas to learn everything from like your friend taught you

[quote=whiterockjesse][quote=Crago Jr Fights the big Fish]cool, i will have to give this rig a shot as well,

grasshopper if it aint broke , dont fix it ...just saying

JESSE this is the best way to see all problems
If your catching leave it like that!!
If you have problems make SMALL adjustments to either the hair or the hook lenght
I was surprised today crago got back...had a pb...first thing he said ..gonna try that rig!! WHY?
Sorry crago but its summer your catching like hell so why risk it all?

Thanks jesse but I can still be your mentor( And you guys mine because I know chit about texas)
My friend was in england and I was in holland and we BOTH learned a lot!

Yes this is the rig I use all of the time...works with pop-up's , mazie, fake corn, cork ball with dough bait packed around it.....everything

sounds good zach . im going to try it too since i have been blanking too much lately

yeah, i guess you guys are right, whatever im doing is working so no need to change it now huh! thanks for the pat on the back fellas!

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and thanks for the jynx as well Jesse

haha jk

PSSST...jesse...MAYBE its the giant bait stopper And I gave you a great trick remember!

Guys about this video and the rig..at the end you can see another video...CARP LIVE! LONG HAIR
Look how the hair knot is tied..longer whipping down the shank
And it worked the hook follows the bait the correct way so catches are better..just saying...

My observation....

* The fish are eating the ground bait without concern. However, when it comes to the multiple kernals on the hair, they become concerned and eject it. This indicates to me that there are to many kernals of maize on the hair.

* The rig ejects to freely. Only when the fish picks up the hook bait, when the hook link is completely stretched to its fullest, does the fish get hooked. If there is any slack in the hook link the fish is able to eject the hook easily. This indicates to me that the rig is not as effective as it could be, and it would be better to have a shorter hook link.

* I should note at this point that its hard to be critical of someone that is catching fish. This fellow went through the trouble of filming this for us all to see and I feel kind of strange being critical of his good deeds. However, I think that we can always improve something and he made this video so that we can learn from it and improve.

* I think its also important to note that the fish were not put off, at all, by the line, lead, or tubing. All that stuff could have been bright pink and the fish would not have cared.

* In the second segment, when he reduced the number of kernals on the hair, the fish were put off a little less and it was a definite improvement. This indicates to me that a single piece of maize would have had the best result and would have been less of a concern for the fish.

* It is difficult to get a hook up when fish are ejecting the bait. I think it is best to have a bait on the hair that they want to eat so they don't eject it. However, if they do eject it a short shank hook on braided hooklink is the easiest thing in the world for a fish to eject. A long shank hook,reverse combi, or an extension of shrink tubing are a heck of a lot more difficult for a fish to eject and they have a much faster turn over. Turn over begins an inch away from the hook point rather than a half inch.

A lot of blow back rigs have stops on the curve of the hook. Some say that it isn't good because it stops hook penetration. Others say that you don't want to much hook penetration because you want the point firmly embedded in the flesh. Afterall there is not jaw bone to put a hook around. This is why so many professional anglers say that smaller hooks catch bigger fish because the hook point stays in the flesh for a stronger hold.

Personally, I match the hook size to the bait size. I am not going to use a size 8 hook if I have a range cube on the hair.

Bigger baits do cause fish to be careless. If they are feeding on range cubes, as opposed to kernals of maize, the fish is less likely to notice that it also picked up a hook.

I think of it more as analyzing what works or doesn't work more than being critical of the angler. I have used the same rig he used in the first segment, with the same results. Whipping the knotless knot further up the hook does indeed make a difference, as does adding the rig ring, I have not seen one method perform better than the other. The point is to get that hook turning immediately. I saw great results by just changing that fulcrum point as Zach said. The length of the hair made a difference as well though not as drastic a difference. I still like to get "riggy" from time to time just for kicks but that simple rig that Zach posted is my rig of choice. When I get lazy and just tie a rig without a ring, or without the additional turns on the knot I see my hookup ratio drop. Last trip at fork I was lazy and I was not hooking up as well as I should have been.

Mark,

Exactly. Getting fast turn over is the key. With only a hook the turn over begins at the eye. With a long shank the eye is farther away from the hook point, this is much faster turn over. The other benefit, of the long shank, is that it is more difficult to eject.

If one wants to speed up the turn over of a short shank they can add a rigid material extending from the eye a half inch, or so. This way turn over will begin as soon as the fulcrum reaches the rigid, rather than waiting for it to come across the eye.

Revisiting turn over; http://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbt..._pa#Post3528861

Discuss....

Depending on what bait is used i say hooklink to long and hair to short

Yeah jason this was my main point its just that pellets are breaking down very quick this leads to bad fishing
Just when that big carp ore buffalo are about to take the bait you have to reel in because there is nothing left
With boilies you can just leave the bait there for 24hours and not disturb the fish