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Re: fishing knots [Re: psycho0819] #3133655 02/18/09 08:06 PM
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I think that San Diego Jam is the basically the same as the sixteen-twenty knot (also known as Eugene bend,16-20,pitzen). Same background as Jay, my dad taught me this knot over 50 years ago and I use it exclusively for all lures and all lines. I never knew the name until last year. You always know if you tied it right because it pops as you cinch in down. Don't know how smart it is but after you tie this knot for a while you discover that you can hold the loop in one hand and the tag end in the other hand and swing the lure in looping circles around the line for the wraps. Then you simply stick the tag in the loop, wet and cinch it down. Pretty fast and it has been advertised to be a 100% knot (does not weaken the line).

Re: fishing knots [Re: psycho0819] #3135768 02/19/09 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: psycho0819
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Here's a link I found.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjQutiu6Ick

Jay

Thanks!

Re: fishing knots [Re: CWR64] #3135790 02/19/09 04:08 AM
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Palomar, simple and strong.

Re: fishing knots [Re: cowtown] #3135825 02/19/09 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: cowtown
I think that San Diego Jam is the basically the same as the sixteen-twenty knot (also known as Eugene bend,16-20,pitzen). You always know if you tied it right because it pops as you cinch in down. Don't know how smart it is but after you tie this knot for a while you discover that you can hold the loop in one hand and the tag end in the other hand and swing the lure in looping circles around the line for the wraps. Then you simply stick the tag in the loop, wet and cinch it down. Pretty fast and it has been advertised to be a 100% knot (does not weaken the line).


I used what you call the "sixteen-twenty" knot for many years because it is so easy & quick to tie - but we always called it the hangman's noose knot. I don't use that knot anymore because I figured out that the "POP" you hear and feel is when the line gets abused and looses strength. I can't imagine that someone feels it is a 100% knot. I've only tied the San Diego Jam knot a couple of times, but I did not feel any "pop" when I tightened it down, and looking at how the knot works as it tightens I would not think that it should "pop".

Re: fishing knots [Re: CWR64] #3135875 02/19/09 04:28 AM
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Palomar for plastics and flurocarbon. Trilene for mono and moving baits.


Re: fishing knots [Re: cowtown] #3137368 02/19/09 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: cowtown
Don't know how smart it is but after you tie this knot for a while you discover that you can hold the loop in one hand and the tag end in the other hand and swing the lure in looping circles around the line for the wraps. Then you simply stick the tag in the loop, wet and cinch it down.



It's gotta be a smart way of doing it, 'cause I do the same thing.

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Re: fishing knots [Re: psycho0819] #3138607 02/19/09 10:47 PM
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Been using the Uni-knot with no problems since I saw it in Dave Hawk's book in the 60's. Not sure he called it a Uni-Knot, but I like it.

Now everyone is thing who the H is Dave Hawk.

Re: fishing knots [Re: Just_Old_Fisherman] #3138659 02/19/09 10:59 PM
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I use the 16/20 knot for mono and braid. I have never heard any pop when I cinch it down. Maybe it doesn't pop with Pline. I use it because it is fast, esay, strong, and I can tie it with gloves on in the winter.

Re: fishing knots [Re: Dayne] #3138850 02/19/09 11:53 PM
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I have not used the "Hangman's" with anything but mono (I no longer use mono) so I don't know whether it pops with co-poly, FC, or braid. I've been using the Palomar mostly. With the Hangman, you have to pull the knot fairly tight to get it to pop - and I think when it pops it is damaging the line/knot. I do not trust that knot at all & will never use it again. IMHO

Re: fishing knots [Re: epicoutdoors] #3140838 02/20/09 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: epicoutdoors
Palomar, simple and strong.
+1

Re: fishing knots [Re: Fishin' Rocket] #3142195 02/20/09 08:05 PM
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polomar
here's a great link

i like the way the overhand know is "doubled" here

http://heartlandtackleservice.com/palomar.stm


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Re: fishing knots [Re: kodys'papa] #3144504 02/21/09 02:49 PM
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Palomar is a good one for sure. When I tie the Palomar (all thumbs that I am), I almost always wind up cutting off (wasting?) a very long tag end - several inches. I'm mostly using braid with a P-Line co-poly leader these days so chopping off the line each time I re-tie forces me to replace the leader more often than I like. I was thinking that maybe the San Diego Jam knot would waste less line.
But since most of us probably don't remove enough line each day to never have abraded areas near the baits, maybe cutting off those inches of line is not a bad thing.
No perfect solutions I guess.


Re: fishing knots [Re: CWR64] #3146490 02/22/09 04:28 AM
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Be sure to wet the line and re-tie often. No matter the knot its only as strong as the line! Berkley and palomar for me though! thumb

Re: fishing knots [Re: Fishin' Rocket] #3146510 02/22/09 04:38 AM
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I gotta go with the palomar as well. It's easy to tie and when used with good line it is hard to beat.


Re: fishing knots [Re: FishingEastTexas] #3146673 02/22/09 06:47 AM
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I'm certainly no expert but this guy apparently is and test knots for strength. He is a fly fisherman and he says the 16-20 does not work well with heavier line but I think I get the same knot up to the 17 pound test. Here's what he says about the 16-20:

Strength:
"the 16-20 trounced every other knot. The 16-20 bested the Trilene knot about 90 percent of the time. It beat the clinch knot every single time, and almost always beat the Palomar knot. Like the nonslip loop, it sometimes achieves 100 percent efficiency."

Tying it:
“Give the tag end another gentle tug to make sure that the wraps are compact (but still not too tight), and then pull hard on the standing line. And I mean hard, because something interesting happens when you pull with enough force. You will feel, and perhaps hear, a click as the knot seats. There's no mistaking the click — you will feel a jolt in the line. When you feel and hear that pop, the knot is seated and finished. You will also notice that the tag end comes out of the front of the knot nearly parallel with the standing line. That's your other indicator that the knot has seated properly. You must feel the click and see the tag end exit the front of the knot almost parallel with the standing line. If either of those does not happen, cut the knot and tie another. “

This is from Art Scheck is the author of Tying Better Flies, Fly Rod Building Made Easy, and A Fishing Life is Hard Work and has been the editor of Scientific Anglers Fly Fishing Quarterly, Orvis News, American Angler, Fly Tyer, and Saltwater Fly Fishing.


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