Obama was captured yesterday talking to a plumber. In that conversation Obama told the guy his intent was to "share the wealth" by using taxes.

Here is my question. Given that 40% of Americans do not pay any taxes, and Obama plans to give them what he refers to as a tax cut, they will be getting a check in the mail even though they do not pay anything in.

Therefore, is this not just welfare by another name? Is it not true that Mr Obama plans to swell our welfare rolls by tens of millions? Seems that way to me.

its welfare. lets re-distribute the wealth so we can all be equal. We used to call that communism back in my day.

Many of us still do.

Get an education, work hard, scrimp, save, start your own business, work all the time so you can build your business and Mr Obama comes along and says he is going to share your wealth with those who don't have your work ethic.

And here is another thing. Let's say you are doing well and have an income of $249,000 for the year. You are safe. If, on the other hand, you made $250,000 - OBAMA IS GOING TO TAX YOU AND ADDITIONAL $40,000.

How in the wide world of sports does that make sense?

Don't trust the $250k wage mark. After this economic setback there won't be enough of them to support his programs...he'll have to lower that number to $110k and has the Congress of his dreams to make it happen.

It's all a nightmare that won't happen. He has undisclosed issues left to bring out. Obama will not win. California and New England are the most racist regions in the Nation. I'm interested in seeing the final votes for Obama in those bastions of Liberal thought. They may not like McCain but they don't trust Obama. People will vote for candidates they don't like but voting for someone you don't trust is a different issue. Bush Sr. lost because of the "No new taxes" trust issues. You'll notice the Liberals will keep throwing "Flip-flopper" out about McCain to try to paint him as untrustable. Trustability will determine the winner of this least-worst election. In order: I don trust Obama. I don't trust Biden. I don't trust McCain. I trust Palin.

He just wants you to be "neighborly".

Don't know about your neighborhood, but in mine, if you went to the neighbors and told them that you would like twenty thousand or so of their dollars so you could sit on the porch and rock....it would be a short conversation, likely punctuated by the sounds of gunfire.

John 175 "Don't trust the $250k wage mark. After this economic setback there won't be enough of them to support his programs...he'll have to lower that number to $110k and has the Congress of his dreams to make it happen."



Me and Mrs already thought the same thing!


Those commericals about if you make under 250K and you want pay ANY taxe is INSANE!

Welfare: What is mine is yours and what is yours is mine and if you got more than I do then you need to give me more of what you got.
Thats what welfare is.

How much do you have?

That is the change Obama has in mind.

...and you are voting for Obama anyway? I guess that proves just how stupid some people can be.

We get the government we deserve and TBendover's statement proves it. He knows that Obama is lying and he is going to vote for him anyway. Great thinking there!

tbend isnt known for his great thinking, im not suprised.

C-man is losing his job. Others on the OT have, or are in peril of losing their jobs. Should there be a safety net for our citizens?

Yes. There should be at least two safety nets: Prior planning and family.

Why is it the function of government to take care of all our needs?

Welfare, another American right. Food ,water and shelter to follow soon.

Economic times are hard because C-man and others were forced to support the mortgages of people who never could afford them. Had the gimme-crowd not taken-taken-taken the economy would not be tanking and C-man would have a job.

You want to support people from cradle to grave while you sit in a none contributing job with tenure. Sure you talk about safety nets because you have one of the best.

The gov't should provide incentives for those companies that feel compelled to send work off-shore, such as:
1) Levee hefty fines against employers who abandon American workers;
2) Increase taxes against these same employers, perhaps like an "export" tax; after all, they are exporting work overseas.
3) Maintain status quo for those companies who continue to employ Americans instead of outsourcing their jobs.

The American dream is dying. We, the people, must take charge of our government.

I'm not saying that McCain's tax plans are the best, by any means. However, Obama's tax plans will force employers to continue the trend of sending work to "low-cost" centers. This in turn will increase our unemployment rate. Those who are able and want to work will not be able to find worthwhile employment. They will be forced to take jobs that underpay. Welfare will increase. This will continue until the government steps in to take care of our needs.

This is the Democrat dream. No need for hard work. No reason to try and improve yourself. No reason to stand apart from all the others. You are unique, an individual, 100% different - just like everyone else.

Thank you, comrades, for your time.

We have the freedom to pursue success in America, and with that comes the risk of failure. The kind of safety net you seem to imply would smother people's ability to chase their dreams. We have lots of safety nets already - unemployment, disability, social security, medicare - how much more do you want? Maybe a lifetime guarantee of employment?

It seems as if that has already been provided.

Zeek

Part and parcel of the opportunity for success is the risk of failure. What the professor wants is cradle to grave guarantee of no chance of failure. The price of that is there will be no chance of success either. Cradle to grave mediocrity is the goal of the socialist.

I don't think that Obama's tax plan is welfare because the beneficiaries of it won't be able to subsist on what he gives them. I'm sure that everyone who gets it will be glad to get it, but it is not going to change anyone's life.

No. We already have unemployment insurance as a bridge to the next job.

Ronald Regan changed party and when he was asked he said, "I didn't abandon the party, it abandonded me". The democratic party of my father is not the same party now. Back then it was the labor party and it helped labor establish a standard of living that had not existed before. When the welfare system was stared the democratic party changed. Now it is wealthy people running it wanting to "take care of the less fortunate". These people are interested in making everyone dependent on the government to take care of them and since these rich and privledged are the government it makes them essential and powerful

If they didnt take so much tax from our incomes, I bet more people would have ample savings on which to fall back.

I wish you were right Oldfrog, but more than likely most individuals would be no better off than they are now. Unfortunately, most people will spend up to and beyond anything they take home without regard to saving.