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#2719357 - 10/09/08 09:40 PM Canoe to FF Newbie
deepfried Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 08/10/08
Posts: 2
I'm going to take my canoe down to Fairfield Friday 10/10.
First time there. I'll be fishing bait for the ever popular reds. Should I fish on the bottom or suspended? Deep water or in the shallows? Middle of the lake or near the shoreline? I read some previous posts about baits and the heavy duty tackle and carolina rig. I normally fish Surfside for the bulls this time of year but, well you know what it's like down there. It's just not the place for recreation yet. Any advice greatly appreciated. I'm going to have to plan a trip with JackieBlue some day and learn how to do this right!

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#2720722 - 10/10/08 09:51 AM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: deepfried]
DonMiller Offline
Angler

Registered: 11/14/05
Posts: 257
Loc: DFW
It is now a mandatory requirement that all Fairfield fisherman stand at the lake edge an pray for rain. You do not deserve to caught a red fish unless that prayer is performed! Best you deserve without that prayer is one of those green and stripped rough fish.

You are wasting fishing life not going out with Jackie FIRST. Your catch rate starting out at best will be 10-20% of what Jackie can teach you to do in the first hour you are with him. Plus you get places to fish for him that will take you many trips to find otherwise, enough if you get lucky.

Don't bother to look for tailing red fish, it does not happen.

Unless you like to surf in that canoe you are going to need an anchorage. Don't fish below a 18 ft depth, that is the thermocline level at the cold intake. Anchored most use heavily weighted Carolina type rigs with a minimum 1.5 oz weight. A few try the float which requires a little less weight. The schools can run past any deeper channel as shallow as 6 ft, and never touch the bait on the Carolina rigs beneath them. The Thermocline graduates up to about 10ft at the hot outfall.

Either use native live or cut bait, the more expensive route is frozen gizzards and real small whole shrimp bought at the Chevron station you drive by as you take the road from the city out to the park. I'm lazy and want to fish as soon as I get to the water, so I do not want to throw a net. I personally prefer the even more expensive bag of 51-60 count peeled shrimp because that size shrimp completely covers a 6/0 or 7/0 circle hook. A one pound bag is plenty for two guys for one full days fishing.

If you do not have sonar you are going to have difficulty sounding at depths. Look at the shoreline as it slops to the water's edge to get some idea how fast the water becomes deeper. Ok try to find a point where there is shallow and deep water, anchor either across the crest or over the crest and put out lines in a spider legged pattern.

MH rods, use reels with ample amounts of line, +200 yards 30# Ande or comparable, set the drag for light, 6-8# test breaking strength. Minimum 20# leader on the Carolina.

With circle or Kahle hooks it is very important you keep Carolina rigs tight lined. In order to do this you are going to need two anchors one at each end. Otherwise the canoe will waggle in the wind an pull the upwind line and slack the down wind lines. As you tighten the slack you are slowly dragging the bait out of your intended target depth, and over bottom items that will eventually try to snag your rig. Snagged hooks or weights are either a break-off or you have to de-anchor and go chase it.

DO NOT have a rod unsecured with bait out, unless you would like to hit you homeowners insurance policy for the cost to that rig's replacement. For some reason Fairfield reds like to have chin jewelry that looks a whole like what you and i think is just a nice rod and reel. When they get tired of that look they just leave that newly acquired jewelry laying on the lake bottom. We troll those jewelry rigs up from time to time.

Sure would appreciate a picture of that wake behind the canoe if you decide to not anchor, however I expect you will be attending to some other more important things, and will understand if you cannot find time to make a picture.

For the least amount of paddling to get more central in the lake launch from the north ramp (camp ground area) not the one nearest the front gate. Concentrate on fishing shoreline features north of that ramp (toward the dam or the Riprap cove).

Big brown and the southern most cove have stumps in them, if you try to fight reds among the stumps expect to loose some if not most to tangles with the stumps. Reds can and will use the tug of the tangle to break the line or bend the hook open.

as you decided to travel from place to troll some bait behind.

most want a scale an measuring tape, and a good camera. Catch and release if you can!

Good luck and I still urge you to take a trip with Jackie.


Edited by DonMiller (10/10/08 10:35 AM)
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Reel'm, Measure'm, Smile with'm, Release'm and Thank Him.
Don

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#2724332 - 10/11/08 01:20 PM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: DonMiller]
Mexntex Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 08/26/08
Posts: 44
Originally Posted By: DonMiller
It is now a mandatory requirement that all Fairfield fisherman stand at the lake edge an pray for rain. You do not deserve to caught a red fish unless that prayer is performed! Best you deserve without that prayer is one of those green and stripped rough fish.

You are wasting fishing life not going out with Jackie FIRST. Your catch rate starting out at best will be 10-20% of what Jackie can teach you to do in the first hour you are with him. Plus you get places to fish for him that will take you many trips to find otherwise, enough if you get lucky.

Don't bother to look for tailing red fish, it does not happen.

Unless you like to surf in that canoe you are going to need an anchorage. Don't fish below a 18 ft depth, that is the thermocline level at the cold intake. Anchored most use heavily weighted Carolina type rigs with a minimum 1.5 oz weight. A few try the float which requires a little less weight. The schools can run past any deeper channel as shallow as 6 ft, and never touch the bait on the Carolina rigs beneath them. The Thermocline graduates up to about 10ft at the hot outfall.

Either use native live or cut bait, the more expensive route is frozen gizzards and real small whole shrimp bought at the Chevron station you drive by as you take the road from the city out to the park. I'm lazy and want to fish as soon as I get to the water, so I do not want to throw a net. I personally prefer the even more expensive bag of 51-60 count peeled shrimp because that size shrimp completely covers a 6/0 or 7/0 circle hook. A one pound bag is plenty for two guys for one full days fishing.

If you do not have sonar you are going to have difficulty sounding at depths. Look at the shoreline as it slops to the water's edge to get some idea how fast the water becomes deeper. Ok try to find a point where there is shallow and deep water, anchor either across the crest or over the crest and put out lines in a spider legged pattern.

MH rods, use reels with ample amounts of line, +200 yards 30# Ande or comparable, set the drag for light, 6-8# test breaking strength. Minimum 20# leader on the Carolina.

With circle or Kahle hooks it is very important you keep Carolina rigs tight lined. In order to do this you are going to need two anchors one at each end. Otherwise the canoe will waggle in the wind an pull the upwind line and slack the down wind lines. As you tighten the slack you are slowly dragging the bait out of your intended target depth, and over bottom items that will eventually try to snag your rig. Snagged hooks or weights are either a break-off or you have to de-anchor and go chase it.

DO NOT have a rod unsecured with bait out, unless you would like to hit you homeowners insurance policy for the cost to that rig's replacement. For some reason Fairfield reds like to have chin jewelry that looks a whole like what you and i think is just a nice rod and reel. When they get tired of that look they just leave that newly acquired jewelry laying on the lake bottom. We troll those jewelry rigs up from time to time.

Sure would appreciate a picture of that wake behind the canoe if you decide to not anchor, however I expect you will be attending to some other more important things, and will understand if you cannot find time to make a picture.

For the least amount of paddling to get more central in the lake launch from the north ramp (camp ground area) not the one nearest the front gate. Concentrate on fishing shoreline features north of that ramp (toward the dam or the Riprap cove).

Big brown and the southern most cove have stumps in them, if you try to fight reds among the stumps expect to loose some if not most to tangles with the stumps. Reds can and will use the tug of the tangle to break the line or bend the hook open.

as you decided to travel from place to troll some bait behind.

most want a scale an measuring tape, and a good camera. Catch and release if you can!

Good luck and I still urge you to take a trip with Jackie.



popcorn2

could you elaborate a little bit on that answer???

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#2725410 - 10/12/08 05:19 AM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: Mexntex]
Dmcputtz Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 98
Loc: College Station
"could you elaborate a little bit on that answer???"

LOL... but good info. for all.

Deepfried,


I didn't see your canoe out there on Friday. It was a bit windy so maybe you just fished from the shore? Lots of people put in late Friday night/afternoon at the Post Oak camping site. Hope that you did OK.

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#2728113 - 10/12/08 09:17 PM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: DonMiller]
deepfried Offline
Green Horn

Registered: 08/10/08
Posts: 2
Don,
Thanks for all of the good info. I was so late getting out of town with all of the Texas/OU traffic that I decided to get a room in Fairfield as the state park was booked. Got to the ramp about 6:00 am Sat morning and on the water. The fog on the surface of the lake was like a dream, especially because the canoe was so quiet. I made my way to the southern end of the dam and set up shop. I was playing around with a white roadrunner and caught several chunky little bass while waiting for the reds. All of the sudden wham! These guys really put up a fight. I finaly got him turned around and headed my way after about a 100 yds of running. You really weren't kidding about how strong these guys are. Next up a nice blue cat. Then another red. The suprise of the morning came when a tilapia about the size of a hub cap got on one of the redfish lines and I got him within arms length before he decided that he'd had enough and let go. At about 10:00 am the wind really started blowing and things slowed down. Tried a couple of other places but it started to get a little hairy in that canoe in that wind. I can barely move my arms today! All in all it was a great first trip to Fairfield. I will post some pics once I figure out how. Thanks again for all of the helpful advice.

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#2730784 - 10/13/08 06:06 PM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: deepfried]
Dmcputtz Offline
Outdoorsman

Registered: 06/23/06
Posts: 98
Loc: College Station
Cool beans on your success!!!
BTW, welcome to the forum.

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#2731735 - 10/14/08 06:15 AM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: Dmcputtz]
Vaughn Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 10/17/03
Posts: 1266
Loc: North Richland Hills, Texas
I saw you paddle by me when I was fishin, glad you got your first Red.

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#2732960 - 10/14/08 11:00 AM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: deepfried]
DonMiller Offline
Angler

Registered: 11/14/05
Posts: 257
Loc: DFW
Glad I could be of help. What bait worked?

For orientation the Dam is on the north end, right side of face is east, left side of face is the west.

Prevailing wind is from South SE or SW. Ski or Trinty Coves offers the best wind protection from the prevailing or a north wind. Both are closer than the dam face.

We trolled after about 2PM until dark I do not recall seeing a canoe in the lake, when did you depart?
_________________________
Reel'm, Measure'm, Smile with'm, Release'm and Thank Him.
Don

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#2733033 - 10/14/08 11:11 AM Re: Canoe to FF Newbie [Re: DonMiller]
Vaughn Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 10/17/03
Posts: 1266
Loc: North Richland Hills, Texas
Don, how many did you guys get?

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