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#2682476 - 09/28/08 06:29 PM My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake
Nathan at Fork Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 2384
Loc: Emory, TX
I wasnt originaly going to do a write up and post this, but due to a recent write up by Tommy Law on his website about a comment I made about my trip with him to someone who was looking for a guide down there has convinced me to do it.

Im not doing this to bad mouth him, just dont want someone else to have the same kind of experience that my father and I had.

We went out with Tommy Law in mid July on a full day guide trip. This was my first time on the lake, but my dad had fished it several times before.

Both my dad and I have been out with a guide before. Last summer we went out with Guide Jimmy Everett on Lake Fork. And, while we didnt catch big fish and my brother actually zeroed, we had a great time and Jimmy worked his butt off to try and get us on the fish. I wrote a very favorable report on Jimmy even though we didnt catch the fish, so catching fish has nothing to do with this write up.

The best way I could describe Tommy Law's guide style is that it is like being a backseater to a rude tournament fisherman who wants all the biggest fish himself. Tommy is what I call a front decker. He front decks you, period. It is like he is out there fishing for himself. In his blog on his website he replied to my saying this and said it was only when we were fishing C-rigs on a hump. That is not true. Flipping soft plastics in the trees, and working a shoreline is where it was the worst. He flipped every single tree first and when he would miss a good strike, he wouldnt let one of use throw back into that tree, he himself would try three or four times in a row. I even made a comment about this on the water saying that my dad should get up there and try and flip some of those trees first so maybe he could get one of those good bites. Either he didnt hear me or ignored the comment. When we were fishing a shorline, he would position the boat where he could throw at the shoreline and me and my dad had to either fish beside or behind the boat. I finally started throwing over his line towards shore. Lines were tangled several times because of this but he never got the point.
At one point we were fishing a road bed and he found a rockpile on the road he was looking for and threw a marker on it. And, of course, positioned the boat where only he could throw near the floating marker 90% of the time.

Whats funny about this front decking business is that after the day was done and we were eating dinner, his wife mentioned out of the blue that he does this to her when they go fishing and she has to try and sneak a cast to the good spot or tree while he isnt paying attention.

Another issue was all his talk of all his great fishing spots that always hold huge fish. He said he could not take us to these spots as they were reserved for tournament fisherman who pay him 10% of their winnings. Mr Law also replied to this bit on his site saying we only could not go to these spots because it was windy. Not true. We fished the lake from up north all the way down south. So, we were able to fish all over. It was windy that day. But not so it would prevent you from fishing anywhere. And, he stated, OVER AND OVER again that we couldnt go because of his tournament anglerswho fish it during tournaments(this was on a tuesday). It had nothing to do with wind. If you have just fished a whole day after paying that much money and the biggest fish you catch is 2-lbs, you dont want to listen to the guy tell you stories of all these great places he didnt take us because they are reserved for his tournament anglers who pay him 10%.

Both my dad and I have fished for a long time and understand that some days you just dont catch them. Our bad opinion of our guide trip with Tommy Law had nothing to do with the fish we caught(despite his comment to such on his site), it has to do with the way he fished with us.

The guide trip with Tommy Law was the most aggravating day of fishing my dad and I have ever had which isnt something you should say when paying several hundred dollars to fish a guide trip on Falcon lake.

Tommy did offer to pay for our dinner and like my dad said, might as well try to get something out of such a terrible day. During the dinner with Tommy and his wife is when he got into all the great places he didnt take us and his wife mentioned that he front decks her as well. She mentioned a single tree they fished where he kept pulling out these huge bass and he wouldnt let her up front to fish it because he wanted to see how many big bass he could pull out in a row. I know how she felt. But, at least she didnt pay a bunch of money for the experience.

I dont like bad mouthing anyone. Which is why I did not do a write up after my return from my trip to Falcon lake even though I promised to write one when posting about my impending trip before I left. But, given Tommy Law's post on his website about my comments, I felt I needed to go ahead and tell about or day with him. He did offer us half off a second trip with him but honestly, we threw that card in the garbage before we left the resteraunt. Why on earth would we want to do that again?

When I initially posted the comment on a TFFers post of looking for a Falcon guide, I simply said to avoid Tommy Law. Then, TFF member "The Hag", replied asking why he should be avoided and he's known Tommy for 40 years. I then replied and described our day briefly. "The Hag" then replied stating that "that sounds like the Tommy Law he knows, and he's sorry we had a bad time with him. So, apparently between this comment and the one from his wife, this wasnt a out of the ordinary style with him. Dont get me wrong, he was a nice guy and wasnt rude or anything, just the way he guides and is out there fishing just did not go over well with my dad and I.

Anyways, aside from that horrible day out with him, we had a great time fishing Falcon the day before and the two days after the trip catching a good number of fish every day with the biggest one being 6 1/2 lbs out of my dads boat.

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#2682501 - 09/28/08 06:39 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: Nathan at Fork]
Swerve-n-Protect Offline
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Registered: 11/17/04
Posts: 915
Loc: Missouri
WOW..........now that sucks!!!! This guy sounds like a real winner, surprise he is still in business after doin all that!!!!!
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#2682531 - 09/28/08 06:50 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: Swerve-n-Protect]
judge22 Offline
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Registered: 03/16/06
Posts: 634
Loc: lubbock, texas
well, i guess when i go charlie will get my business for sure. raidergrad from the forum just fished with charlie this weekend and they killed them. i will let him tell that story when he gets back. sorry to hear about this. i had a guide at fork do this to me once and bet another guide that morning who would catch a bigger sack. my cousin and i both blanked and watched him catch a 20lb sack. sometimes they are not there for the customer. it will make you sick to spend that much money to watch him catch fish. he gave me a bad taste for him and the lake. i havent been back since.
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#2682546 - 09/28/08 06:54 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: judge22]
Nathan at Fork Offline
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Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 2384
Loc: Emory, TX
Judge- Ive heard great things about Charlie and am sure youll have a great time. On all the posts asking about a Lake Falcon guide on here its either Charlie Haralson or Robert Amaya that are recommended. I sure wish I had looked at that before we went. Live and learn. Hope you have a great time!
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#2682550 - 09/28/08 06:55 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: Swerve-n-Protect]
gitthanet Offline
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Registered: 03/07/05
Posts: 1882
Loc: Eagle Mountain, TX
Man, I hate that for you. I have never had a bad guided trip, and I hope this is not common. However, this may be a lesson to guides about what clients expect. Things like this hurt an allready difficult business.
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#2682575 - 09/28/08 07:08 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: gitthanet]
ezbassin Offline
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Registered: 01/15/04
Posts: 10049
Loc: Mansfield, Tx.
I had a similar experience with a guide on Sam Rayburn. He front ended us all day long also. I have been with several guides on Fork and all of them have been good. I even had to tell a couple of them to go ahead and fish also, I don't mind.

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#2682585 - 09/28/08 07:10 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: judge22]
-Justin- Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 10/10/07
Posts: 788
Loc: Trenton, TX
I feel like i've read this before.... maybe?

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#2682601 - 09/28/08 07:17 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: -Justin-]
Nathan at Fork Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 06/18/07
Posts: 2384
Loc: Emory, TX
Justin, you probably read my reply on the thread someone posted on looking for a Falcon guide. The one I described above which is what Tommy Law replied to on his blog on his site.
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#2682676 - 09/28/08 07:53 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: Nathan at Fork]
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Registered: 05/31/03
Posts: 4950
Loc: Richardson
One of my most miserable days on the water was with a guide. He did a happy dance on the front deck when we caught one 12 inch fish. It meant he did not have to offer a discounted return trip.

Some guides are real good and others may have different agendas. It pays to get several referrals and even then sometimes it just does'nt work out. Its a tough job with some real challenges. Thanks for sharing your experience and may the next time be loaded with lunkers.
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#2682731 - 09/28/08 08:25 PM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: Slide_R]
jpetro1010 Offline
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Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 3
Ya, I read your other post where EVERYBODY recommended Charlie. Shortly after that I contacted charlie and he was VERY VERY helpful even though I told him I wasnt sure if I was even coming to the area and if I did I wasnt sure if I would use a guide, but he still helped me out a ton! You know when 14 out of 15 people recommend someone they have to be good, lol!

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#2682999 - 09/29/08 04:38 AM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: jpetro1010]
Chubby Offline
Pro Angler

Registered: 08/30/08
Posts: 639
Loc: North Dallas Forty
Samething happened to me with a guide on Ray Roberts. I got a guide for a birthday present from my folks in 2001. It was THE SUCK. I havent been on one since.


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#2683001 - 09/29/08 04:39 AM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: Nathan at Fork]
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Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 25410
Loc: Kingwood TX
I'll certainly file this under the "guides not to use" section. I've never used a guide service, but am thinking very seriously about doing it on a lake that I have not had much success on. That said, maybe my question should be answered by one of the guides on this forum, but here it is:

Why should a guide even wet a line on a trip? You're paying him to put you on fish, or teach you a thing or two about the lake. You're not paying him to fish.....Just my thoughts.....
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#2683055 - 09/29/08 05:02 AM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: KingwoodCat]
bassackwards dav Offline
TFF Team Angler

Registered: 08/16/07
Posts: 3765
Loc: Azle, TX EML
A good guide will ask you if you mind if they fish. I never mind if they do and always get outfished by them. And that doent bother me either, I feel you can learn alot by watching a successful angler.

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#2683100 - 09/29/08 05:14 AM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: KingwoodCat]
huntsetter1 Offline
Angler

Registered: 07/16/06
Posts: 285
Loc: Arlington, TX
I think it is good for the guide to fish. He can throw other baits and it helps to establish a pattern. His main priority is having his clients have a good time and catch fish. Sometimes the skill level of the clients can vary. If someone can catch a fish in the boat it helps to bring up confidence and keeps everyone fishing harder.

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#2683108 - 09/29/08 05:17 AM Re: My bad experience with guide Tommy Law on Falcon Lake [Re: jpetro1010]
nascardriver Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 03/07/02
Posts: 1039
Loc: Midlothian /Lake Fork Texas
Nathan at Fork, I had that same experience only with a diffrent guide at lake Ivie back in the early 90's... he would run to the front of the boat and have 10 cast in before we even got out of the seat...haha....he even went and told my Buddie and I he didnt want to catch us fishing his spots during tournaments....Heck we wouldn't because we didnt catch any fish...( we actually avoided those spots)...That was my first guide trip, I started doing major research and found a great guide at Ivie (even though I dont think he is there any more). So I feel your disappointment in that Guide....Just remember not all guides are that way.......

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