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#2651431 - 09/17/08 09:39 AM First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe?
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Registered: 07/17/07
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here is what I think is my first smallie.




here is another view of it




now here is a picture of a quadalupe bass caught the same weekend

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#2651438 - 09/17/08 09:41 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Basshole9]
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Loc: College Station
you got a mutt there...no doubt about it...nice bass though, all of them.

They look really ugly from the stained water of the Guadalupe River when they are closer to being all smallmouth. Just a brown fish with little color (tooth patch though).
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#2651499 - 09/17/08 09:59 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Basshole9]
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Danged if I know, the third pic looks like it's got the vertical bars and spots on the belly. noidea Looks like your right about the smallies.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/bkbass_diagrams.phtml
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#2651505 - 09/17/08 10:03 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: bamaboy]
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look at the row of spots below the lateral line on the top fish.

that is definitely a characteristic of guadalupe bass (and/or spotted bass). The vertical bars verify that the fish has some smallmouth genes as well.

What lake are those out of? Canyon?
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#2651547 - 09/17/08 10:15 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: aggiegolfer]
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LBJ. up the colorado arm.
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#2651600 - 09/17/08 10:33 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Basshole9]
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Definitely some smallmouth influence on that first bass, but the lines along the belly are consistent with guadalupe or spotted bass. I read somewhere that stocking of smallmouth bass has ceased in all areas that had guadalupe bass originally and that only pure Guadalupe bass are being stocked instead to stop the crossing of the two..
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#2651609 - 09/17/08 10:35 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Basshole9]
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still looks like a smallmouth/guad mutt to me (mostly guad though).

Cranking docks...now that's my kind of fishing.
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#2651662 - 09/17/08 10:49 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: aggiegolfer]
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I caught the first bass off of a shakey head with a baby rattlesnake on it in about 15 foot of water in rocks. the other one was off of that crankbait in boat docks. that first little booger fought pretty dang good.
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#2651748 - 09/17/08 11:08 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Basshole9]
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Registered: 12/27/06
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Loc: Canyon Lake,Tx.
Looks like a bunch of crossbread fish from canyon lake.I catch those type of fish all the time.Well at least we know canyon is not the only lake with this issue.Some Floridas might find them taste.

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#2652387 - 09/17/08 02:02 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: babywrangler]
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Probably a Guad/Smallmouth hybrid. True Smallmouth tend to be a lot more bronze then that.
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#2652444 - 09/17/08 02:29 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Starless Dragon]
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Meanmouth Bass
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#2652619 - 09/17/08 03:42 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Bassassassin]
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Nice looking fish!!
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#2652658 - 09/17/08 03:51 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Starless Dragon]
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I'm with Starless, could be a cross hybrid.
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#2655462 - 09/18/08 01:09 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Big Red 12]
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Looks to me to be a hybrid as well, Nice fish though!
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#2655722 - 09/18/08 02:29 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: fishin'aholic2]
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Whatever it is, it's certainly a striking looking fish.
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#2656100 - 09/18/08 04:48 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Bassassassin]
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Originally Posted By: Bassassassin
Meanmouth Bass


Probably not. That's a largemouth/smallmouth hybrid, and I think this is a smallmouth/guadalupe.
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#2656600 - 09/18/08 07:30 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Starless Dragon]
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I am going to have to go with small mouth hybrid, due to the bars on the belly. One way that I can usually tell, besides the looking in the mouth is by the fight that they put out. From my experiences SMB give 2 to 3 times the fight that hybrids or LMB do. That is just from my experience.
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#2656629 - 09/18/08 07:46 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Starless Dragon]
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Originally Posted By: Starless Dragon
Originally Posted By: Bassassassin
Meanmouth Bass


Probably not. That's a largemouth/smallmouth hybrid, and I think this is a smallmouth/guadalupe.


Looks like a meanmouth to me:
http://www.tnfish.org/PhotoGalleryFish_T...isNegus_jpg.htm

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#2656695 - 09/18/08 08:37 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Z21 Cranker]
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Loc: college station
eeeeeeeeeeeeeh perch hansen i think i would have to go with half smallie half guad, man i have a fat hand in those pictures
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#2680241 - 09/27/08 06:46 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Starless Dragon]
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Registered: 04/11/06
Posts: 161
Loc: College Station/Belton, TX
The best way to distinguish between the 3 types (largemouth, smallmouth, and guadalupe), is where the jaw crease is in relation to the eye when the mouth is closed. Smallmouth will be in front of the eye, largemouth well behind the eye, and Guadalupe will be in direct line with the eye. However, since I have caught both smallmouth and Guadalupe, I would say this looks a lot more like a Guadalupe. Even though it does appear to have the distinct smallmouth barring, Guadalupe spots can vary greatly and look a lot like barring.
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#2680350 - 09/27/08 07:43 PM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: Starless Dragon]
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Registered: 09/14/06
Posts: 2725
Loc: Lewisville, TX
Originally Posted By: Starless Dragon
Originally Posted By: Bassassassin
Meanmouth Bass


Probably not. That's a largemouth/smallmouth hybrid, and I think this is a smallmouth/guadalupe.


It is true that the original Meanmouth was a Largemouth/Smallmouth hybrid. This was the result of crossing them in a laboratory. However the meanmouth has since been found in public waters as a Spotted/Smallmouth hybrid. Even though it is not the original, it has also earned the Meanmouth tag over time. Today, most consider a Smallmouth crossed with any other Black Bass as a Meanmouth Bass. This one looks like a Meanmouth to me. Very rare. I would call TPWD and email them the pics. They may be very much interested in this catch. Let us know what they say.

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#2720010 - 10/10/08 06:41 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: gclark]
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Registered: 09/22/08
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thats a big mouth for a smallie.....

nice crankbait;)

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#2720515 - 10/10/08 08:54 AM Re: First smallmouth? or just another guadalupe? [Re: michaelworley]
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Cool looking fish either way!
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