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#2572704 - 08/21/08 02:25 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Manchu]
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It was during the Vietnam War that the push to make alcohol legal for 18-year-olds most recently took hold. But in 1984, Congress mandated a 10 percent penalty on highway appropriations for any state with a drinking age below 21.

And that's why the chances of changing the drinking age are very, very, very small. The political popularity of federal highway money far outweighs the popularity of letting 18-year-olds drink.
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#2572740 - 08/21/08 02:40 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: jignpig]
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#2572911 - 08/21/08 03:39 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: John175 ®]
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Don't know if it's been said or not, but i think it should, just because alot of the kids drink around the 18 yr. old range because there not supposed to. I think the bar should only be for people 21 and older, and that would help in my opinion.
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#2572928 - 08/21/08 03:46 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: jignpig]
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Originally Posted By: jignpig
It was during the Vietnam War that the push to make alcohol legal for 18-year-olds most recently took hold. But in 1984, Congress mandated a 10 percent penalty on highway appropriations for any state with a drinking age below 21.

And that's why the chances of changing the drinking age are very, very, very small. The political popularity of federal highway money far outweighs the popularity of letting 18-year-olds drink.



there's no way I'm buying that rap of a law passing due to money! wink

and I'm sure I've said this before, but isn't it ironic that you have the name "pig" in your handle?
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#2572938 - 08/21/08 03:49 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Skeeter_Eater]
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I think it should be 14, that way they can start drinking before they get thier driver's license. by the time they get it, they will be over the days of binging and not knowing how to control thier intake.

Do drop it to 14 or raise it too 35, because they are a large number of people in that age bracket that are irresponsible drinkers. And by the time someone is 35, if they are an alcoholic they are more likely to be more responsible alcoholics.

18 to 21 doesnt make much difference, pretty much the same crowd doing the same type of drinking.

Also, after completing one semester of college or basic training in the military you should be allowed to drink!

Irresponsible people are irresponsible no matter what age. But the younger someone is the more likely they are to do something irresponsible.
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#2572974 - 08/21/08 04:09 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Deputy Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Deputy Angler
I think it should be 14, that way they can start drinking before they get thier driver's license. by the time they get it, they will be over the days of binging and not knowing how to control thier intake.

Do drop it to 14 or raise it too 35, because they are a large number of people in that age bracket that are irresponsible drinkers. And by the time someone is 35, if they are an alcoholic they are more likely to be more responsible alcoholics.

18 to 21 doesnt make much difference, pretty much the same crowd doing the same type of drinking.

Also, after completing one semester of college or basic training in the military you should be allowed to drink!

Irresponsible people are irresponsible no matter what age. But the younger someone is the more likely they are to do something irresponsible.


i agree
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#2573078 - 08/21/08 04:50 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Mario-Bass man]
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Not to change the premise of this argument, but the reason to put the age limit back to 18, is not because it is safe or not. The reason we should put it back to 18 is because our nanny government has no business making those decisions for us in the first place.

The Federal government should monitor interstate commerce (including the highway system), the post office and the military, and that is it! The rest is an intrusion into our personal liberty.

The Constitution was originally designed to protect the citizens FROM the government, and having a federal body decide how old you can be to drink is one more example of the trampling of state and individual rights.


If Texas wants the drinking age to be 4 or 44 that is up to the Texas citizens to decide, not the Federal Government.

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#2573097 - 08/21/08 04:57 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: TheFirstNameThat]
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Originally Posted By: TheFirstNameThat
Originally Posted By: Deputy Angler
I think it should be 14, that way they can start drinking before they get thier driver's license. by the time they get it, they will be over the days of binging and not knowing how to control thier intake.

Do drop it to 14 or raise it too 35, because they are a large number of people in that age bracket that are irresponsible drinkers. And by the time someone is 35, if they are an alcoholic they are more likely to be more responsible alcoholics.

18 to 21 doesnt make much difference, pretty much the same crowd doing the same type of drinking.

Also, after completing one semester of college or basic training in the military you should be allowed to drink!

Irresponsible people are irresponsible no matter what age. But the younger someone is the more likely they are to do something irresponsible.


i agree


+2, we talked about this at work yesterday, that if lowered it should be low enough that they are with their parents still and can learn how to drink with responsibility like European kids or keep it at 21 if not raise it.


BUT THE STATES DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SET IT WHERE THEY LIKE, BUT LIKE SOMEONE SAID BEFORE THERE ARE STIPULATIONS ON FEDERAL HIGHWAY SPENDING FOR ANY STATE WITH A DRINKING AGE LOWER THAN 21.
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#2573165 - 08/21/08 05:13 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: bassdreamer]
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Not to change the premise of this argument, but the reason to put the age limit back to 18, is not because it is safe or not. The reason we should put it back to 18 is because our nanny government has no business making those decisions for us in the first place.
It is and should be a States issue. The Feds (Ronnie) should have never gotten into the highway funds blackmail business. Local gas taxes should remain local and not regulated by the Feds. If Alaska wants a bridge to nowhere they can fund it themselves.
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#2573183 - 08/21/08 05:18 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Manchu]
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We've gone through this drill before. As Tallgrass05 accurately alluded to, drunk driving deaths dropped dramatically when the Federal Gov't forced the states to raise the drinking age to 21.

And this argument of "old enough to serve, old enough to drink" is total BS. The closest uniform MOST of you youngbloods will get to is standing next to a Boy Scout at the 4th of July picnic.
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#2573254 - 08/21/08 05:35 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: TheFirstNameThat]
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Originally Posted By: jignpig
It was during the Vietnam War that the push to make alcohol legal for 18-year-olds most recently took hold. But in 1984, Congress mandated a 10 percent penalty on highway appropriations for any state with a drinking age below 21.

And that's why the chances of changing the drinking age are very, very, very small. The political popularity of federal highway money far outweighs the popularity of letting 18-year-olds drink.



there's no way I'm buying that rap of a law passing due to money! wink

and I'm sure I've said this before, but isn't it ironic that you have the name "pig" in your handle?


Excuse me? That's the popular opinion among those in the know. And I ain't kosher.....I'd miss bacon waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.
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#2573265 - 08/21/08 05:39 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: COFF]
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I think they should keep it at 21, but make an exception for active duty military.


Could be a real enlistment incentive. rolfmao
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#2573372 - 08/21/08 06:05 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: badkarma]
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For those that serve in the military before 21, they should be able to drink. But for the average 18-21 year old, I can't support it being legal at that age. If somoene has the resposibility to enlist and serve, then they've passed a major rite of passage in my book.
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#2573887 - 08/22/08 01:30 AM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: North Texas Fiberglass]
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I believe a person is too immature to use alcohol at 18 YOA. I also believe a person is too immature to be in the military at 18 YOA. Both should be 21. hmmm

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#2573898 - 08/22/08 01:54 AM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: lawmann]
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So how many houses does McCain have?
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#2573903 - 08/22/08 02:01 AM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Bad_Influence™]
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I wonder how many of you here drank legally at 18 and had no problems. I think we are becoming hypocritical. Its really simple. If your considered an adult at 18, then you should get all the benefits/privileges as any other adult.
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#2575835 - 08/22/08 01:04 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: jignpig]
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Originally Posted By: jignpig
Originally Posted By: TheFirstNameThat
Originally Posted By: jignpig
It was during the Vietnam War that the push to make alcohol legal for 18-year-olds most recently took hold. But in 1984, Congress mandated a 10 percent penalty on highway appropriations for any state with a drinking age below 21.

And that's why the chances of changing the drinking age are very, very, very small. The political popularity of federal highway money far outweighs the popularity of letting 18-year-olds drink.



there's no way I'm buying that rap of a law passing due to money! wink

and I'm sure I've said this before, but isn't it ironic that you have the name "pig" in your handle?


Excuse me? That's the popular opinion among those in the know. And I ain't kosher.....I'd miss bacon waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much.


I had a wink on the smiley for a reason.......
and just a little jab at you Jig....cuz we ain't argued in a long time
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#2576039 - 08/22/08 01:56 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: TheFirstNameThat]
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yeah, I been steering clear of here for a while. Just don't have the time or inclination anymore.
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#2576055 - 08/22/08 02:03 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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Originally Posted By: Bigbob_FTW
I wonder how many of you here drank legally at 18 and had no problems. I think we are becoming hypocritical. Its really simple. If your considered an adult at 18, then you should get all the benefits/privileges as any other adult.
Why I said 18. The drunk driving deaths decreased due to increased enforcement not the age being raised to 21. Both occurred simultaneously.
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#2576196 - 08/22/08 02:56 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: CBoone]
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Originally Posted By: CBoone
Originally Posted By: John175 ®
Originally Posted By: Tallgrass05
So what does being in the military have to do with earning the right to drink at age 18?
Joining the military shows a level of responsible behavior devoid in many 18-21 year old kids who go to college to party.

I wouldn't think you would understand. People actually respect the military.


Man, I'm sorry but that comment offends me. Who are you to say that since I'm in college, I'm irresponsible, not respected, and here just to party? That's what you're insinuating so don't come back at me with "you didn't mean it like that." I'm pretty sure when we ALL turn 18, we send in our little card, and we're registered for the draft if need be. Just because I don't voluntarily jump up and enlist does not mean I WOULD NOT DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY! I'm in college for one thing; to get an education so that I may leave this world a better place when it's my time to leave. Aside from the drama (half of which is just BS to get a rise out of you guys), I'm a pretty well respected person and a very responsible person. Most of the friends I have that are in the military are there for one reason; they didn't have an out; it was either that or watch their lives swirl around the bowl and then down the drain. Yeah, our servicemen are doing GREAT things, and I have the utmost RESPECT and THANKFULLNESS for them, but to say that they're better than little old me the college student is just pure and total bs man.


Very well said, maybe you have learned something down
there at SFA,

and here all this time I have heard it
was the biggest party school in East Texas,
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