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#2569216 - 08/20/08 01:13 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: FishingPhysicist]
tech Offline
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Registered: 07/25/07
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While I agree with you, If a kid that is 18 goes on a killing spree and kills several people, then I want him tried as an adult and killed! He knew exactly what he was doing!
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#2569220 - 08/20/08 01:14 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: KingwoodRanger]
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Registered: 10/11/07
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Loc: Round Rock
Originally Posted By: KingwoodRanger
Originally Posted By: AustinMark
Originally Posted By: Tallgrass05
It's obvious, Austin. You hate the military.


BUSTED!!!! wink


Actually, I was going to say "It's obvious, you loathe the military".


LOL!!! You're a funny guy KR!!!
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#2569228 - 08/20/08 01:16 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Mario-Bass man]
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Not true Mario...21 for everyone now.

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#2569235 - 08/20/08 01:18 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: KingwoodRanger]
OK, Waco Offline
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Originally Posted By: KingwoodRanger
Not true Mario...21 for everyone now.


Unless the minimum age for the country they are in is below 21. in Japan the legal drinking age was 20, therefore the legal drinking age for us was 20 as well, on and off post.
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#2569250 - 08/20/08 01:21 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: KingwoodRanger]
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Not to take issue with you Kingwood--but when I was 18 in the "Marine" corps I could drink any where as long as I was on a military base.--I drank my fill and that of several others while traveling around the fas east Europe and of course in Vietnam..

If that has changed , I am not aware of it.
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#2569253 - 08/20/08 01:22 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Mario-Bass man]
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Originally Posted By: Mario-Bass man
Not to take issue with you Kingwood--but when I was 18 in the "Marine" corps I could drink any where as long as I was on a military base.--I drank my fill and that of several others while traveling around the fas east Europe and of course in Vietnam..

If that has changed , I am not aware of it.


It has changed
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#2569259 - 08/20/08 01:24 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: OK, Waco]
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Ok--I stand corrected
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#2569271 - 08/20/08 01:29 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Mario-Bass man]
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Originally Posted By: Mario-Bass man
Not to take issue with you Kingwood--but when I was 18 in the "Marine" corps I could drink any where as long as I was on a military base.--I drank my fill and that of several others while traveling around the fas east Europe and of course in Vietnam..

If that has changed , I am not aware of it.


Things have changed since we were in. My son was 21 when he was at Ft. Bragg, but most of young paratroopers in his unit were under 21 and had to have him buy the beer.
Our little EM club on Tay Ninh Base Camp sold beer for $.15 a 12 oz can, back in the days when cans were still made of steel!!! The only scratch I got on me in 2 tours in the Nam was from a bar room brawl. Took a full 12 steel can beer on the noggin.

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#2569288 - 08/20/08 01:34 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Mario-Bass man]
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The already did this once and too many teens were dying. It was changed because the felt if an 18 y/o could be drafted to fight in Vietnam, is able to vote, he should be able to drink legally too. I think the speed limit was reduced to 55 during this time too so the legally drunk driving teens should have been driving slower.

Have these guys forgotten already why it was raised back up to 21? Mercy, give them a masters degree and a doctorate and they lose every bit of common sense they used to have.

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#2569299 - 08/20/08 01:38 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: TexasBlonde]
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If your goal is to save lives then why don't you make it illegal?
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#2569351 - 08/20/08 01:53 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: TexasBlonde]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlonde
The already did this once and too many teens were dying. It was changed because the felt if an 18 y/o could be drafted to fight in Vietnam, is able to vote, he should be able to drink legally too. I think the speed limit was reduced to 55 during this time too so the legally drunk driving teens should have been driving slower.

Have these guys forgotten already why it was raised back up to 21? Mercy, give them a masters degree and a doctorate and they lose every bit of common sense they used to have.


The drinking age was raised to 21 because Ronnie threatened to cut highway funding to any state that did not raise the age limit.
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#2569385 - 08/20/08 02:06 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: AustinMark]
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Believe me, in a war zone, everyone needs a warm beer occasionally
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#2569390 - 08/20/08 02:10 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: AustinMark]
tech Offline
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So you agree that the federal government shouldn't even have money to withhold from the states? Tell me you are a true conservative!
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#2569398 - 08/20/08 02:14 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: John175 ®]
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Originally Posted By: John175 ®
Originally Posted By: Tallgrass05
So what does being in the military have to do with earning the right to drink at age 18?
Joining the military shows a level of responsible behavior devoid in many 18-21 year old kids who go to college to party.

I wouldn't think you would understand. People actually respect the military.


Man, I'm sorry but that comment offends me. Who are you to say that since I'm in college, I'm irresponsible, not respected, and here just to party? That's what you're insinuating so don't come back at me with "you didn't mean it like that." I'm pretty sure when we ALL turn 18, we send in our little card, and we're registered for the draft if need be. Just because I don't voluntarily jump up and enlist does not mean I WOULD NOT DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY! I'm in college for one thing; to get an education so that I may leave this world a better place when it's my time to leave. Aside from the drama (half of which is just BS to get a rise out of you guys), I'm a pretty well respected person and a very responsible person. Most of the friends I have that are in the military are there for one reason; they didn't have an out; it was either that or watch their lives swirl around the bowl and then down the drain. Yeah, our servicemen are doing GREAT things, and I have the utmost RESPECT and THANKFULLNESS for them, but to say that they're better than little old me the college student is just pure and total bs man.


Edited by CBoone (08/20/08 02:16 PM)
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#2569414 - 08/20/08 02:18 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: CBoone]
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Originally Posted By: CBoone
Originally Posted By: John175 ®
Originally Posted By: Tallgrass05
So what does being in the military have to do with earning the right to drink at age 18?
Joining the military shows a level of responsible behavior devoid in many 18-21 year old kids who go to college to party.

I wouldn't think you would understand. People actually respect the military.


Man, I'm sorry but that comment offends me. Who are you to say that since I'm in college, I'm irresponsible, not respected, and here just to party? That's what you're insinuating so don't come back at me with "you didn't mean it like that." I'm pretty sure when we ALL turn 18, we send in our little card, and we're registered for the draft if need be. Just because I don't voluntarily jump up and enlist does not mean I WOULD NOT DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY! I'm in college for one thing; to get an education so that I may leave this world a better place when it's my time to leave. Aside from the drama (half of which is just BS to get a rise out of you guys), I'm a pretty well respected person and a very responsible person. Most of the friends I have that are in the military are there for one reason; they didn't have an out; it was either that or watch their lives swirl around the bowl and then down the drain. Yeah, our servicemen are doing GREAT things, and I have the utmost RESPECT and THANKFULLNESS for them, but to say that they're better than little old me the college student is just pure and total bs man.
Correct me where I said better?

I say more mature. They have to be. Tomorrow somebody may be taking shots at them.

I didn't serve so I'm in the same boat as you.

Sorry you took offense. I though my statement was clear on not all students.

My statement:

Joining the military shows a level of responsible behavior devoid in many 18-21 year old kids who go to college to party.
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#2569416 - 08/20/08 02:19 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: CBoone]
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CBoone--don't take offense to that statement--it was not to paint everyone with the same brush. However it was a statement that cover a wide berth of our youngsters.

BTW--my daughter is a Senior there at SFA, I really enjoy that little town when I visit my daughter there.
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#2569582 - 08/20/08 03:29 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: JDavis7873]
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Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 201
Loc: Mesquite, Texas
you dont have to be 21 to drink get a fixed id and your fine but if i were to make the laws 18 with a military id let em drink if your mature enough to be in the military then your mature enough to drink.

hell i will even buy the for them 21 or not.
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#2569594 - 08/20/08 03:37 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Mario-Bass man]
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Registered: 08/11/08
Posts: 27
Loc: Lake Dallas, TX
I like the age the way it is, but my $.02 is:

As a Police Officer, I arrest just as many people for DWI in their teens, 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc. Only difference is the older guys/girls usually have had more DWI's in the past. People who drive impaired, regardless of age, will continue to do so until they have went to jail enough times for it, or kill someone in an accident. In my opinion, responsibility and maturity come from life experiences and not whether you decided to enlist in the military or enroll in college.

I served 6 yrs to the military straight out of high school and had more responsibility commanding a 12 man team in Iraq/Afganistan at the age of 22/23 than I will ever have at my current job (even if I become chief). As some others have stated about my brothers and sisters: the military was not an only option for us and we did not have terrible high school grades. I chose the military to follow in my mentor's steps and in return recieved a good education, accelerated life experiences, and a bond of brotherhood that I will take to the grave with me. If a person decides college, military, trade school, or just plan hard work they will only succeed if they have the desire and drive to better themselves and their family. Thanks!!! and great discussion.
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#2569614 - 08/20/08 03:44 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: bingram893]
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Originally Posted By: bingram893

As some others have stated about my brothers and sisters: the military was not an only option for us and we did not have terrible high school grades. I chose the military to follow in my mentor's steps and in return recieved a good education, accelerated life experiences, and a bond of brotherhood that I will take to the grave with me.


Thank you for saying that. The same is true for me. I didnt join because I had too.
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#2569755 - 08/20/08 04:34 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: OK, Waco]
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no way should an 18 year old be legal

i think many join the military to pay for college, not because they are more responsible

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#2570560 - 08/20/08 09:29 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: bingram893]
127 Offline
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Registered: 02/19/08
Posts: 49
Originally Posted By: bingram893
I like the age the way it is, but my $.02 is:

As a Police Officer, I arrest just as many people for DWI in their teens, 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, etc. Only difference is the older guys/girls usually have had more DWI's in the past. People who drive impaired, regardless of age, will continue to do so until they have went to jail enough times for it, or kill someone in an accident. In my opinion, responsibility and maturity come from life experiences and not whether you decided to enlist in the military or enroll in college.

I served 6 yrs to the military straight out of high school and had more responsibility commanding a 12 man team in Iraq/Afganistan at the age of 22/23 than I will ever have at my current job (even if I become chief). As some others have stated about my brothers and sisters: the military was not an only option for us and we did not have terrible high school grades. I chose the military to follow in my mentor's steps and in return recieved a good education, accelerated life experiences, and a bond of brotherhood that I will take to the grave with me. If a person decides college, military, trade school, or just plan hard work they will only succeed if they have the desire and drive to better themselves and their family. Thanks!!! and great discussion.



That makes the most sense of anything I have seen thus far.. Plus, we are forgetting about the pyschological effects of alcohol on teenagers. The human brain isn't fully developed until around the age of 25, therefore causing more severe damage if alcohol is ingested at a younger age. Maturity is also an issue, but there are 19 year olds with more maturity than some people in their 30's and 40's.. It's hard to enforce a legal drinking age that is acceptable to everyone, and this is just one of those instances that will keep us searching for the right solution.

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#2570584 - 08/20/08 10:09 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: 127]
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I'll throw bingrams post in for the most sense that's been made in one paragraph on the TFF. Spoken by a true professional too, not some sideliner like the rest of us.. or at least me.

We don't need to lower the drinking age. We have in well underhand.
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#2570607 - 08/20/08 11:33 PM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: sancho]
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Good God what does it matter, the law never stopped anyone under age from drinking, may have caused some inconvenience, but like someone said earlier half the fun of drinking when you are young is the chase. Now I damm sure don’t want a bunch of 18 year old idiot drunks in the bar, lord knows there are too many old drunk idiots.
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#2570669 - 08/21/08 03:21 AM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Bad_Influence™]
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"....lord knows there are too many old drunk idiots."

This bashing of the mods has got to stop.
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#2570688 - 08/21/08 03:40 AM Re: Legalization of Alcohol to 18 years old [Re: Tallgrass05]
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Loc: Lubbuttocks
My pick on the appropriate age to legally consume alcohol equals the amount of time I have been in the wholesale wine and spirits industry - 21 years.

I have seen all sides of the business - from elegant five course wine dinners to seeing people line up at ten till ten in the morning, to buy that pint of vodka.

As with many, many other issues in life, it's personal responsibility that makes the difference as to what catagory you fall under concerning alcoholic beverages.

Grapenut
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