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#2558316 - 08/16/08 09:14 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Aaron Greer]
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Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 55
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I guess I've always been lucky with guides. Regardless of whether we caught a lot of fish, they've always really hustled and tried multiple locations, approaches to finding fish. I've never been short-changed on time on the water. In fact, on the tough days, I've found guys will usually stay past closing time trying to find that last bite. Every guide is different, but I've always been able to learn and pick up tips and pointers. I usually tip $20-$50, which isn't over the top and certainly isn't extravagant.
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#2558351 - 08/16/08 10:01 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
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Registered: 10/02/05
Posts: 784
Loc: Texas
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I want to speak from a guides point. We do not expect tips but they are greatly appreciated. They should not be given just on the catching fish part. There is alot that goes into helping the customer to catch fish but sometimes the abilities are not there. Expectaitions are high and abilities are low makes it very hard to make it happen. I see this alot. Now we as guides, can catch fish in alot of ways but, if the customer cannot set the hook hard enough to hook the fish and keep the fish on you then you have to try and find a fish to catch a customer on a short clock ! Again very hard to do. Why should the guide get the blame for not producing when it is not his fault ? How many bites did the customer get that he did not close the deal on ? We have to figure out what the best chances are for our customers to catch are and if it is a moving bait and all the fish are on bottom, that it is TUFF.Getting back to the tip part. I have had many people that who have taken a trip and what they have learned while on my boat on days we may have not done well, and applied it to their way of fishing and have won up to $5,000 dollars doing what I showd them. Now who tipped who ? No one ever looks at that part of it. In fact, this same thing happened just last week, the money the guy won was not $5,000 but the guy made enough to pay for his trip he took with me.Now as a guide we take it hard if we do not have a good day, I know when I struggle I take it very hard. I beat myself up for it, but in all honesty I cannot make fish bite if they do not want to bite. I am a guide not GOD !! We do not get rich and we put in a lot of time on the water to help, so the trip can be a good one. Catching is a plus but it should not be the whole purpose of taking a trip with a GUIDE. Just part of my 2 cents worth. Have a great day ! Marc, well said. I have always taken pity on Lake Fork guides. I grew up fishing Fork when it opened in the 80's and we would catch a hundred a day. Those days are long gone and FORK is a flat out tough fishery these days. It still has lots of big fish but the numbers are way down and you have to be a skilled angler to succeed. I really feel sorry for you guides when you have someone that shows up with a Rhino rod and Zebco 33 spooled with 25 lb mono because they hear Fork has big fish. I really respect you guys these days when people show up expecting to catch tons of fish and lack basic ability.
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#2558447 - 08/17/08 03:50 AM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Z21 Cranker]
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Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 388
Loc: Humble Tx
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I want to speak from a guides point. We do not expect tips but they are greatly appreciated. They should not be given just on the catching fish part. There is alot that goes into helping the customer to catch fish but sometimes the abilities are not there. Expectaitions are high and abilities are low makes it very hard to make it happen. I see this alot. Now we as guides, can catch fish in alot of ways but, if the customer cannot set the hook hard enough to hook the fish and keep the fish on you then you have to try and find a fish to catch a customer on a short clock ! Again very hard to do. Why should the guide get the blame for not producing when it is not his fault ? How many bites did the customer get that he did not close the deal on ? We have to figure out what the best chances are for our customers to catch are and if it is a moving bait and all the fish are on bottom, that it is TUFF.Getting back to the tip part. I have had many people that who have taken a trip and what they have learned while on my boat on days we may have not done well, and applied it to their way of fishing and have won up to $5,000 dollars doing what I showd them. Now who tipped who ? No one ever looks at that part of it. In fact, this same thing happened just last week, the money the guy won was not $5,000 but the guy made enough to pay for his trip he took with me.Now as a guide we take it hard if we do not have a good day, I know when I struggle I take it very hard. I beat myself up for it, but in all honesty I cannot make fish bite if they do not want to bite. I am a guide not GOD !! We do not get rich and we put in a lot of time on the water to help, so the trip can be a good one. Catching is a plus but it should not be the whole purpose of taking a trip with a GUIDE. Just part of my 2 cents worth. Have a great day ! Marc, well said. I have always taken pity on Lake Fork guides. I grew up fishing Fork when it opened in the 80's and we would catch a hundred a day. Those days are long gone and FORK is a flat out tough fishery these days. It still has lots of big fish but the numbers are way down and you have to be a skilled angler to succeed. I really feel sorry for you guides when you have someone that shows up with a Rhino rod and Zebco 33 spooled with 25 lb mono because they hear Fork has big fish. I really respect you guys these days when people show up expecting to catch tons of fish and lack basic ability. I used to fish with a guide out of Mustang Resort, Larry Large, who was very good. One day while fishing the lake we saw him at lunch. He had his two clients with him. By lunch they had 20 or so fish with several in the 6 to 8 pound class. They asked him, "do you think we are going to get in them after lunch" He replied, "Boy's I don't know what you expect but we are are in them." They thought everyone that came to Fork caught several 10# fish and most would catch their personal best. As he left he told me, "It's going to be a long day." He also had several stories of times when neither him or the client were having a good time cause the client had such a miserable attitude. On these very few days he just took the client back to the ramp gave him his money back and told him he does this to make a living but mostly because he enjoys it. He definitely isn't getting rich at it.
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#2558608 - 08/17/08 06:20 AM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: No_surf?_Go_fishing!]
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Registered: 05/08/08
Posts: 62
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I think you should tip anyone in the service industry who performs their job beyond expectations. The fishing guide, plummer, yard man, delivery guy, waiter, pizza boy, barber, whomever the hell it is that performs their job well. It's because of guys like you that the service industry isn't what it should be, because people don't think they will we rewarded for excellent service so they don't try. Who defines what the "service industry" is? The only guidelines are from the IRS which define a tipped employee. That's anyone paid less than minimum wage and who is taxed a percentage of their sales to cover tips. If you want to tip everyone who gives you good service, great, but please don't equate the downfall of service in this country to the lack of tips. IMO, people who provide good service do so because they care, not because they're going to get a tip. If someone (who is not an IRS tipped employee) actually cares about what they are doing enough to provide excellent service ABOVE AND BEYOND what they're paid to do, I have no problem giving them a tip but I don't feel obligated. I ALWAYS tip an IRS tipped employee because they get taxed on it whether I tip or not. If those in the "service industry" are making an effort only because they might get a tip, they're probably not going to be very happy in their work. The real reward of any job is the knowledge that one has done his best and provided someone with great service. Work toward that and the tips will follow...
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#2559244 - 08/17/08 12:35 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Aaron Greer]
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Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 365
Loc: Corinth, Texas
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Edited by Mr. Clean (08/17/08 12:36 PM)
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#2559252 - 08/17/08 12:38 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Mr. Clean]
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Registered: 01/18/08
Posts: 5840
Loc: TEJAS
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#2559465 - 08/17/08 01:42 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Mr. Clean]
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 154
Loc: Lake Texoma
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Mr. Clean, I agree with your comments, but I have a problem with what I'm seeing in your photo's. Inflatable life jackets are not approved for children. Please be sure to follow all boating laws, especially when children are involved.
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#2559584 - 08/17/08 02:42 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: SBridgess]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 01/17/05
Posts: 139
Loc: Lake Fork
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This always comes up here. Guys it is real simple. Guiding is a service business. Period. It is customary to tip service industry people. From bar tenders, to valet's to waiters. Anyone that waits on you and provides you a personal service SHOULD get a tip. Alot of people do not tip their guides. I am not going to say we do not expect a tip, because more times than not we receive one. But what a good tip will get you is a memory in your guides head that you appreciated the hard work he did, despite the conditions. And possibly that if he is booked the day you want to come he will re work his schedule to fit you in. Also it may get you longer hours on the water or free information and tips if you would like to come to the same lake without him sometime.
As for short changing or stiffing the guide for payment. That is called theft of service and all of us have the sheriff's telephone number close at hand. Doubt if you would make it home. Is it really worth it?
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#2566009 - 08/19/08 02:10 PM
Re: Tipping The Guide
[Re: Craig Cain Lake Fork Guide]
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Angler
Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 365
Loc: Corinth, Texas
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Craig....AMEN.
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