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#2558316 - 08/16/08 09:14 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Aaron Greer]
lllmag Offline
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Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 55
I guess I've always been lucky with guides. Regardless of whether we caught a lot of fish, they've always really hustled and tried multiple locations, approaches to finding fish. I've never been short-changed on time on the water. In fact, on the tough days, I've found guys will usually stay past closing time trying to find that last bite. Every guide is different, but I've always been able to learn and pick up tips and pointers. I usually tip $20-$50, which isn't over the top and certainly isn't extravagant.

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#2558351 - 08/16/08 10:01 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
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Registered: 10/02/05
Posts: 784
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell
I want to speak from a guides point. We do not expect tips but they are greatly appreciated. They should not be given just on the catching fish part. There is alot that goes into helping the customer to catch fish but sometimes the abilities are not there. Expectaitions are high and abilities are low makes it very hard to make it happen. I see this alot. Now we as guides, can catch fish in alot of ways but, if the customer cannot set the hook hard enough to hook the fish and keep the fish on you then you have to try and find a fish to catch a customer on a short clock ! Again very hard to do. Why should the guide get the blame for not producing when it is not his fault ? How many bites did the customer get that he did not close the deal on ? We have to figure out what the best chances are for our customers to catch are and if it is a moving bait and all the fish are on bottom, that it is TUFF.Getting back to the tip part. I have had many people that who have taken a trip and what they have learned while on my boat on days we may have not done well, and applied it to their way of fishing and have won up to $5,000 dollars doing what I showd them. Now who tipped who ? No one ever looks at that part of it. In fact, this same thing happened just last week, the money the guy won was not $5,000 but the guy made enough to pay for his trip he took with me.Now as a guide we take it hard if we do not have a good day, I know when I struggle I take it very hard. I beat myself up for it, but in all honesty I cannot make fish bite if they do not want to bite. I am a guide not GOD !! We do not get rich and we put in a lot of time on the water to help, so the trip can be a good one. Catching is a plus but it should not be the whole purpose of taking a trip with a GUIDE. Just part of my 2 cents worth. Have a great day !


Marc, well said. I have always taken pity on Lake Fork guides. I grew up fishing Fork when it opened in the 80's and we would catch a hundred a day. Those days are long gone and FORK is a flat out tough fishery these days. It still has lots of big fish but the numbers are way down and you have to be a skilled angler to succeed. I really feel sorry for you guides when you have someone that shows up with a Rhino rod and Zebco 33 spooled with 25 lb mono because they hear Fork has big fish. I really respect you guys these days when people show up expecting to catch tons of fish and lack basic ability.

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#2558447 - 08/17/08 03:50 AM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Z21 Cranker]
Happy Birthday Fishspanker Offline
Angler

Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 388
Loc: Humble Tx
Originally Posted By: Z21 Cranker
Originally Posted By: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell
I want to speak from a guides point. We do not expect tips but they are greatly appreciated. They should not be given just on the catching fish part. There is alot that goes into helping the customer to catch fish but sometimes the abilities are not there. Expectaitions are high and abilities are low makes it very hard to make it happen. I see this alot. Now we as guides, can catch fish in alot of ways but, if the customer cannot set the hook hard enough to hook the fish and keep the fish on you then you have to try and find a fish to catch a customer on a short clock ! Again very hard to do. Why should the guide get the blame for not producing when it is not his fault ? How many bites did the customer get that he did not close the deal on ? We have to figure out what the best chances are for our customers to catch are and if it is a moving bait and all the fish are on bottom, that it is TUFF.Getting back to the tip part. I have had many people that who have taken a trip and what they have learned while on my boat on days we may have not done well, and applied it to their way of fishing and have won up to $5,000 dollars doing what I showd them. Now who tipped who ? No one ever looks at that part of it. In fact, this same thing happened just last week, the money the guy won was not $5,000 but the guy made enough to pay for his trip he took with me.Now as a guide we take it hard if we do not have a good day, I know when I struggle I take it very hard. I beat myself up for it, but in all honesty I cannot make fish bite if they do not want to bite. I am a guide not GOD !! We do not get rich and we put in a lot of time on the water to help, so the trip can be a good one. Catching is a plus but it should not be the whole purpose of taking a trip with a GUIDE. Just part of my 2 cents worth. Have a great day !


Marc, well said. I have always taken pity on Lake Fork guides. I grew up fishing Fork when it opened in the 80's and we would catch a hundred a day. Those days are long gone and FORK is a flat out tough fishery these days. It still has lots of big fish but the numbers are way down and you have to be a skilled angler to succeed. I really feel sorry for you guides when you have someone that shows up with a Rhino rod and Zebco 33 spooled with 25 lb mono because they hear Fork has big fish. I really respect you guys these days when people show up expecting to catch tons of fish and lack basic ability.
I used to fish with a guide out of Mustang Resort, Larry Large, who was very good. One day while fishing the lake we saw him at lunch. He had his two clients with him. By lunch they had 20 or so fish with several in the 6 to 8 pound class. They asked him, "do you think we are going to get in them after lunch" He replied, "Boy's I don't know what you expect but we are are in them." They thought everyone that came to Fork caught several 10# fish and most would catch their personal best. As he left he told me, "It's going to be a long day." He also had several stories of times when neither him or the client were having a good time cause the client had such a miserable attitude. On these very few days he just took the client back to the ramp gave him his money back and told him he does this to make a living but mostly because he enjoys it. He definitely isn't getting rich at it.

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#2558608 - 08/17/08 06:20 AM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: No_surf?_Go_fishing!]
Thespis Offline
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Registered: 05/08/08
Posts: 62
Originally Posted By: No_surf?_Go_fishing!
I think you should tip anyone in the service industry who performs their job beyond expectations. The fishing guide, plummer, yard man, delivery guy, waiter, pizza boy, barber, whomever the hell it is that performs their job well. It's because of guys like you that the service industry isn't what it should be, because people don't think they will we rewarded for excellent service so they don't try.

Who defines what the "service industry" is? The only guidelines are from the IRS which define a tipped employee. That's anyone paid less than minimum wage and who is taxed a percentage of their sales to cover tips.
If you want to tip everyone who gives you good service, great, but please don't equate the downfall of service in this country to the lack of tips. IMO, people who provide good service do so because they care, not because they're going to get a tip. If someone (who is not an IRS tipped employee) actually cares about what they are doing enough to provide excellent service ABOVE AND BEYOND what they're paid to do, I have no problem giving them a tip but I don't feel obligated.
I ALWAYS tip an IRS tipped employee because they get taxed on it whether I tip or not.
If those in the "service industry" are making an effort only because they might get a tip, they're probably not going to be very happy in their work. The real reward of any job is the knowledge that one has done his best and provided someone with great service. Work toward that and the tips will follow...
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#2559244 - 08/17/08 12:35 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Aaron Greer]
Mr. Clean Offline
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Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 365
Loc: Corinth, Texas
I have been a guide for 20 plus years both fishing and hunting. Put myself through College guiding in New Mexico and then opened a guide business in 1991 here in DFW for Bass on RR, LL & Texoma. I do not make my living guiding...I have a day job with a lot of free time and opportunites to take my customers fishing...I am in Sales. rolfmao I guide because I want to and because I enjoy seeing someone that has never caught a "big" bass enjoy the thrill. I also love getting kids and wives out there for the line tug as well. You can see from the picture below...my thrill is in that boys smile. clap
I have seen them all...100 fish days with no tip juggle....5 fish days with a $50 tip scared and no fish days with a $100 tip. breakdance Most of you "get it" and "understand the concept." The rest of you don't get it nor will you ever get it...my PERSONAL opinion is it's up bringing...your parents did not teach you to tip. I never expect a tip, but as I mentioned earlier with the examples...you never now nowadays what people are going to do. I personally tip for everything, the sonic girl gets a dollar no matter if it's dinner or a Cherry Lime aide. My waiter in a restaurant gets at least 20% may be more depending on the level of service, food and overall rating. Point is I have been there...waited tables, bartended, and now guide. EVERYONE one of us serves a higher control...whether it be the Good Lord above or the Boss. You are all in the service industry...no matter what you say. Getting recognized for your service or over acheivement of such is a courtesy that has long been a part of this country's history...you can continue that history or you can hang on to your money...the choice is yours. juggle flag




Edited by Mr. Clean (08/17/08 12:36 PM)
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#2559252 - 08/17/08 12:38 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Mr. Clean]
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#2559465 - 08/17/08 01:42 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Mr. Clean]
SBridgess Online   content
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 154
Loc: Lake Texoma
Mr. Clean,
I agree with your comments, but I have a problem with what I'm seeing in your photo's. Inflatable life jackets are not approved for children. Please be sure to follow all boating laws, especially when children are involved.

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#2559584 - 08/17/08 02:42 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: SBridgess]
Craig Cain Lake Fork Guide Offline
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Registered: 01/17/05
Posts: 139
Loc: Lake Fork
This always comes up here.
Guys it is real simple. Guiding is a service business. Period.
It is customary to tip service industry people. From bar tenders, to valet's to waiters. Anyone that waits on you and provides you a personal service SHOULD get a tip.
Alot of people do not tip their guides. I am not going to say we do not expect a tip, because more times than not we receive one.
But what a good tip will get you is a memory in your guides head that you appreciated the hard work he did, despite the conditions. And possibly that if he is booked the day you want to come he will re work his schedule to fit you in. Also it may get you longer hours on the water or free information and tips if you would like to come to the same lake without him sometime.

As for short changing or stiffing the guide for payment. That is called theft of service and all of us have the sheriff's telephone number close at hand. Doubt if you would make it home. Is it really worth it?
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#2566009 - 08/19/08 02:10 PM Re: Tipping The Guide [Re: Craig Cain Lake Fork Guide]
Mr. Clean Offline
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Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 365
Loc: Corinth, Texas
Craig....AMEN.
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