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#2425587 - 07/04/08 08:01 AM Question about guides
meP2too Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 1033
Loc: dallas,tx,usa
How should this be handled?
You have a friend that is a guide, you have used his services for about 6 years twice a year for corporate outings (Friday, Saturday and 1/2 on Sunday) You have have him book two other guides for the corporate outing also.

You own a boat also, you let him know any time he does not have a booking, he is welcome to go out with you. Well one day he calls, had a trip cancelled, so you deside to go out on that day. He meets you at the dock, you go out in your boat and fish your spots which produce, have a good day.

Get back to the dock, load up, get ready to depart and he puts out his hand a says "that will be $250.00".

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#2425675 - 07/04/08 08:50 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: meP2too]
David Lee Offline
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Registered: 03/25/02
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Loc: burleson, tx.
Sounds like he aint to good a friend.eeks Was a fee agreed upon before going out?
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#2425681 - 07/04/08 08:52 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: meP2too]
Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell Offline
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Registered: 10/10/06
Posts: 451
Loc: Sulphur Springs TX
Well money should have been discussed but, It should have never been an issue if you guys were friends and going in YOUR BOAT!!! I have guys that I do that with and I never charge them Sometimes when we go in my boat, as friends, they do pick up lunch and the gas.This is if I ask them to come fish for fun. With the trips that you give the guide, I would think the guide would appreciate the bussiness more than to charge you in your boat.May just have needed the money and thought it would be alright to charge you. I am on the outside looking in. Hope this helped you.
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#2425749 - 07/04/08 09:15 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell]
Guide Chuck Rollins Offline
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Registered: 05/25/04
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Loc: CC lake
sounds like a misunderstanding to me. Probably should have discussed it while planning the trip. Sorry to hear about that. Good luck.
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#2425902 - 07/04/08 10:37 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: Guide Chuck Rollins]
Bar-none Offline
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Registered: 10/01/03
Posts: 230
Hope you didn't pay him. Sounds like you are in need of a new guide.
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#2425956 - 07/04/08 11:04 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: Bar-none]
Kolban Offline
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Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 364
Loc: North Richland Hills, TX
From the story posted, I think I agree with all the other posters. On the surface, it doesn't sound at all right.
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#2426042 - 07/04/08 12:05 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: Kolban]
dmunsie Offline
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Registered: 04/27/02
Posts: 1031
Loc: Joshua
Unfortunately your "friendship" will never be the same. Too bad. frown
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#2426055 - 07/04/08 12:15 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: dmunsie]
gclark Offline
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Registered: 09/14/06
Posts: 2725
Loc: Lewisville, TX
He was kidding you. Had to be. If not, he has issues.

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#2426088 - 07/04/08 12:33 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: gclark]
jwcromer Online   content
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Registered: 11/18/06
Posts: 897
Loc: N. Richland Hills,Texas
I would have said, no YOU dont owe ME a thing,I was happy to do it

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#2426369 - 07/04/08 02:28 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: jwcromer]
PayneFish Online   content
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Registered: 06/30/08
Posts: 108
Loc: Temple, TX
Time for a new guide.
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#2427100 - 07/05/08 04:37 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: PayneFish]
big fish 1 Offline
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Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 1125
Loc: hurst texas
I've taken friends with me before who are guides and I don't think they would have even considered taking any money for it. In fact it would probably hurt their feelings if it were even offered.

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#2427195 - 07/05/08 05:59 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: big fish 1]
Pro-Guide Rudy Lackey Online   content
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Registered: 03/03/02
Posts: 2844
Loc: N. Richland Hills Texas USA
That ain't right !

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#2427502 - 07/05/08 09:12 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: Pro-Guide Rudy Lackey]
Zeek the Greek Online   content
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Registered: 09/26/05
Posts: 2101
Loc: Lewisville
Your answer should have been "I can't take $250 from you but if you want to put a few gallons of gas in my boat, that'd be ok."

I know a few of the professional guides at Lewisville and can't imagine them doing the same in similar circumstances.
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#2427528 - 07/05/08 09:29 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: Zeek the Greek]
obiewan57 Offline
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Registered: 02/24/03
Posts: 507
Loc: College Station, Texas, USA
Need a new friend and a new guide...if he asked for money and was serious, there is no friendly explanation. You boat especially. do not call him anymore, do not pay him, just find other guides for your corporate outing. You will not respect him like you once did and as friends should, so get over the friendship thing and move on, go fishing and have fun.
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#2427532 - 07/05/08 09:33 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: Pro-Guide Rudy Lackey]
ripnlip Online   content
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 156
i think you use the term "friend" too loosely. It might just be a rare case of being "friends" cause you are a paying customer. Money makes people act wacko sometimes. Im sure most guides out there have lots of friends they do that with, and the thought of asking for money would never cross their mind. Hopefully it was just a misunderstanding. If not he is a pretty shady guy.

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#2427596 - 07/05/08 10:27 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: ripnlip]
nvc_fshrmn Offline
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Registered: 03/31/08
Posts: 111
Loc: Dallas, TX
If the guy was serious...1st off he aint no friend, 2nd reply to him quite bluntly that he owes you $300 for the guided trip you provided to him.

Your boat, your gas, your fishing spots means you were the guide. I am going to go out on a limb and say that all guides have there own fishing buddies and when they go out they don't start passing out invoices.

Sorry to hear about this...sounds like you may have lost someone you considered a friend

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#2427621 - 07/05/08 10:44 AM Re: Question about guides [Re: nvc_fshrmn]
Guide Chuck Rollins Offline
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Registered: 05/25/04
Posts: 2438
Loc: CC lake
did I mention I do corporate trips too. grin
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#2428194 - 07/05/08 03:54 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: Guide Chuck Rollins]
Oldgringo Online   content
Extreme Angler

Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 1145
Loc: The Pineywoods , TX
Times are hard, families need to be fed, notes need to be paid, etc., etc.

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#2428266 - 07/05/08 04:28 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: Oldgringo]
FarTraveler Offline
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Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 253
Loc: Ft Worth
Not at a friends expense they don't.

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#2428319 - 07/05/08 04:58 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: FarTraveler]
Oldgringo Online   content
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Registered: 02/05/06
Posts: 1145
Loc: The Pineywoods , TX
Originally Posted By: FarTraveler
Not at a friends expense they don't.



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#2430198 - 07/06/08 03:43 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: Oldgringo]
Cameron Online   content
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 7269
Did he run the boat or trolling motor? Weird....
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#2430949 - 07/06/08 07:57 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: Cameron]
TeamSkeeter20i Offline
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Registered: 01/27/05
Posts: 837
Loc: Louisiana
Can we go fishing in your boat? I will supply all the rods, and tackle?.... If I take a guide in my boat, we fish my spots, and he wants money from me, he better know how to swim real good.
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#2433548 - 07/07/08 05:24 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: TeamSkeeter20i]
Fish Killer Offline
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Registered: 12/11/04
Posts: 4249
Loc: Weatherford
Hey Syd,

I forgot to give you the address to send the check for that trip out on Lake Athens that day.

But since it was a tournament, I will need the full day fee, not that half day fee.

Sorry to hear about what happened. Give me a call, and I will at least buy you lunch and give you gas money.
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#2434040 - 07/07/08 07:59 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: Fish Killer]
meP2too Offline
Extreme Angler

Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 1033
Loc: dallas,tx,usa
chris you paid for my hamburger, remember, and I invited you so no charges. if you do not let me win at tawokoni I might change my mind.

Ok, luckily this did not happen to me it happened to the owner of our company, I was an observer and co-fisherman. It also occurred at the coast.

but the guide basically had a day off, showed up empty handed, used my bosses equipment, bait, and ate the sandwiches we made. we never discussed any details of fishing, except he asked why I only throw artificial baits. (he hates that when I am in his boat during our corporate outings.)

I think the main item that could have caused the request was that we tip him almost as much as his fee, and my boss and he won a bayfishing tourney last summer and he received most of the winnings. he needs the income more than my boss.

they discussed the issue the following morning. when we headed out the next morning the guide was at his dock, looking pretty bad, apologizing and wanting to give back the money. my boss refused to take back the money and they agreed to keep their relationship totally on a professional level from now on.

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#2434262 - 07/07/08 10:05 PM Re: Question about guides [Re: meP2too]
Fishin' Steeler Offline
Angler

Registered: 08/20/03
Posts: 373
Loc: Austin TX USA
Your boss is a gentleman and has class. And I hope the guide realizes that the money he received that day was the most expensive $250 he ever got, because if it was me as the "client-friend," our relationship from that point on would be "cool but cordial" on a personal level, and "non-existent" on a professional level.

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