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#2401832 - 06/26/08 08:45 AM
Casting competitions. This will settle it.
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I propose a casting competition to take place in September. I propose this time because it will be slightly cooler and Richard will be here by that time.
I propose the competition to take place somewhere between Irving and Carrolton as that seems to be middle ground for most of us.
I propose the following categories and requirements;
CARP ROD OVERHEAD DISTANCE CAST (RESTRICTED) * This cast is an overhead, or over shoulder cast, rather than a side swinging style cast. * The lead must NOT be in motion when the cast begins. * The maximum or less requirements are 12' 3.5 tc or less (must be recognized as a carp rod) paired with a 3 ounce or less lead. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can overhead cast using equipment restrictions. These restrictions focus primarily on technique and equipment selection and secondarily on power.
CARP ROD OVERHEAD DISTANCE CAST (UNRESTRICTED) * This cast is an overhead, or over shoulder cast, rather than a side swinging style cast. * The lead must NOT be in motion when the cast begins. * There are no maximum or less requirements. * The rod must be recognized as a carp rod. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the carp kit of their choice the greatest distance. Equipment selection, technique, and power will all determine the outcome.
CARP ROD OVERHEAD DISTANCE CAST (STANDARD) * This cast is an overhead, or over shoulder cast, rather than a side swinging style cast. * The lead must NOT be in motion when the cast begins. * The rod, reel, and line will be provided for all competitors to use. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the same rod, reel, line, and lead combo farther. This removes the variable of equipment selection so that only technique and power will determine the winner.
CARP ROD FREESTYLE DISTANCE CAST (RESTRICTED) * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The maximum or less requirements are 12' 3.5 tc or less (must be recognized as a carp rod) paired with a 3 ounce or less lead. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can overhead cast using equipment restrictions. These restrictions focus primarily on technique and equipment selection and secondarily on power.
CARP ROD FREESTYLE DISTANCE CAST (UNRESTRICTED) * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * There are no maximum or less requirements. * The rod must be recognized as a carp rod. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the carp kit, of their choice, the greatest distance. Equipment selection, technique, and power will all determine the outcome.
CARP ROD FREESTYLE DISTANCE CAST (STANDARD) * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * There are no maximum or less requirements. * The rod must be recognized as a carp rod. * The rod, reel, and line will be provided for all competitors to use. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the same rod, reel, line, and lead combo farther. This removes the variable of equipment selection so that only technique and power will determine the winner.
SHORE CASTING/SPINNING ROD FREESTYLE DISTANCE CAST (UNRESTRICTED) * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * There are no maximum or less requirements. * The rod must be recognized as a shore casting/spinning rod. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the shore casting spinning combo, of their choice, the greatest distance. Equipment selection, technique, and power will all determine the outcome.
CARP/SHORE ROD 50 YARD ACCURACY CAST * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The equipment must be recognized as shore or carp gear. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 casts of which the goal will be to cast as closely to the marker as possible on each cast. * Out of the 5 casts the closest and the farthest from the marker will be excluded. The 3 remaining casts will be counted and averaged. The lowest measurement average wins.
CARP/SHORE ROD 100 YARD ACCURACY CAST * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The equipment must be recognized as shore or carp gear. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 casts of which the goal will be to cast as closely to the marker as possible on each cast. * Out of the 5 casts the closest and the farthest from the marker will be excluded. The 3 remaining casts will be counted and averaged. The lowest measurement average wins.
BASS, SPINNING ROD, FREESTYLE DISTANCE CAST * Any rod, recognized as a bass spinning rod measuring 7' 6" or less, is permitted. * Any style of cast or size of lead is permitted. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the bass spinning gear, of their choice, the greatest distance. Equipment selection, technique, and power will all determine the outcome.
BASS, CASTING ROD, FREESTYLE DISTANCE CAST * Any rod, recognized as a bass spinning rod measuring 7' 6" or less, is permitted. * Any style of cast or size of lead is permitted. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 consecutive casts of which the longest cast will be counted. * This contest will determine who can cast the bass casting gear, of their choice, the greatest distance. Equipment selection, technique, and power will all determine the outcome.
BASS, SPINNING ROD, 20 YARD ACCURACY CAST * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The equipment must be recognized as bass spinning gear. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 casts of which the goal will be to cast as closely to the marker as possible on each cast. * Out of the 5 casts the closest and the farthest from the marker will be excluded. The 3 remaining casts will be counted and averaged. The lowest measurement average wins.
BASS, SPINNING ROD, 40 YARD ACCURACY CAST * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The equipment must be recognized as bass spinning gear. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 casts of which the goal will be to cast as closely to the marker as possible on each cast. * Out of the 5 casts the closest and the farthest from the marker will be excluded. The 3 remaining casts will be counted and averaged. The lowest measurement average wins.
BASS, CASTING ROD, 20 YARD ACCURACY CAST * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The equipment must be recognized as bass casting gear. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 casts of which the goal will be to cast as closely to the marker as possible on each cast. * Out of the 5 casts the closest and the farthest from the marker will be excluded. The 3 remaining casts will be counted and averaged. The lowest measurement average wins.
BASS, CASTING ROD, 40 YARD ACCURACY CAST * Any style of cast is permitted so long as it is unassisted. * The equipment must be recognized as bass casting gear. * Each competitor will be allowed 5 casts of which the goal will be to cast as closely to the marker as possible on each cast. * Out of the 5 casts the closest and the farthest from the marker will be excluded. The 3 remaining casts will be counted and averaged. The lowest measurement average wins.
If these categories and requirments are widely accepted I will accept the responsibility and burden of organizing this event.
Edited by Jason Johonnesson (06/26/08 12:05 PM)
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#2401854 - 06/26/08 08:52 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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sounds good to me. I better work on my casting now instead of chunking huge method balls
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#2401870 - 06/26/08 08:55 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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What about a Barbie-rod competition? 
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#2401910 - 06/26/08 09:03 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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Maybe we should add a category for accuracy? Both for carp and bass gear. Some of those bass fishers are scary accurate. That's a good idea. You could invite bass anglers and have both distance and accuracy competitions, with several categories for rod length and reel type. It also would provide a way for everyone to see how the other half lives.
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#2401914 - 06/26/08 09:04 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Smile-n-Nod]
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What about a Barbie-rod competition? Brett, if you actually drive to the event, we will have a Barbie rod competition. lol That actually would be fun to watch kids with themed gear.
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#2401968 - 06/26/08 09:17 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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ok jason im in what about prizes? and i better learn how to use these baitcasters lol
also how many cast do you get before the actully cast like 2 practice cast and the third one counts or what?
Edited by buffaloman chris (06/26/08 09:19 AM)
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#2401997 - 06/26/08 09:27 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: buffaloman chris]
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ok jason im in what about prizes? and i better learn how to use these baitcasters lol
also how many cast do you get before the actully cast like 2 practice cast and the third one counts or what? Good questions. I will add this info to the post throughout the day.
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#2402044 - 06/26/08 09:36 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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This sounds like fun. My concern is that not everyone has rods that will cast great distances. Will there be a standard rod that everyone can use? Will some have an advantage using better gear?
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#2402110 - 06/26/08 09:53 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: DHFisher]
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yea it would be a good idea to have a default rod
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#2402368 - 06/26/08 10:58 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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Brett, if you actually drive to the event, we will have a Barbie rod competition. Me??? Drive to an event???  Balderdash! 
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#2402433 - 06/26/08 11:17 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Smile-n-Nod]
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lol rotfl!!!!!
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#2403070 - 06/26/08 02:37 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: buffaloman chris]
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i think it's a personal option.......like i can cast my bass set up pretty well,the 20-40yd bass acc. test should be a good event for me.....as far the distance casting....i'm gonna watch 
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#2403852 - 06/26/08 07:27 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Bubbadass1]
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I will donate a dozen slabs for this event just remind me.
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#2403903 - 06/26/08 07:49 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: buffaloman chris]
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Allow 13' rods. Or whatever you normally cast with.
I won't be competing, but those who do compete, should be allowed to use whatever rod they wish, or whatever they usually cast with.
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#2403913 - 06/26/08 07:54 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Starless Dragon]
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13' foot rods are allowed for all "unrestricted" contests.
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#2403947 - 06/26/08 08:16 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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Ok, allow me to explain why there are 3 different classes for the carp rod competition.
There are 3 major factors involved in a cast.
1. Equipment selection is a factor. Selecting the right rod, reel, line, & lead combo, FOR YOU, is a factor.
2. Technique is a factor. Some of us were not born with brute strength but have practiced technique a lot. Think Sandy Koufax.
3. Your strength, or power, is a factor. For some of us this factor is primary.
The three different classifications are designed so that everyone has an angle to compete with.
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#2403950 - 06/26/08 08:18 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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Did you just compare yourself to Sandy Koufax?  Awesome!!! 
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#2403958 - 06/26/08 08:21 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: El Guahpo]
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Did you just compare yourself to Sandy Koufax?  Awesome!!! No way, no sir! But I will compare Richard to Sandy Koufax. They both are shaped like angel hair pasta yet they can both do some incredible things. Richard casts a method ball farther than I have ever seen anyone cast a lead. I expect him to win most, if not all, of the distance events.
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#2403968 - 06/26/08 08:23 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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Yeah... I can see that...
Poor Sandy...
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#2403971 - 06/26/08 08:23 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: XYZ]
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I will donate a dozen slabs for this event just remind me. Thats awesome Mondo!
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#2404314 - 06/27/08 04:04 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: dmunsie]
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I'll have to borrow a 3.5 TC with a big pit on it... unless I get one by then! 
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#2404333 - 06/27/08 04:14 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: dmunsie]
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Make it easy, just have a 1 distance comp, don't matter which rod, or line test, everyone attaches on the same lead weight when it's their turn to cast. K.I.S.S. A lot of folks would like it to be that simple. The problem is that it would create a lot of excuses. Some excuses will be, "I would have done better if I was casting my own." or "I can cast a 12' better than a 13'" or "I'm not used to braided line." or "I always cast a 4 ounce lead." Having a restricted, unrestricted, and a standardized contest, as you suggest, will answer most, if not all, of these questions and eliminate excuses.
Edited by Jason Johonnesson (06/27/08 04:17 AM)
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#2404608 - 06/27/08 06:00 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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i heard an o'l tale of a guy "Dr Evil" aiming for and nearly hitting a camera man that was in a boat 100 yards off shore??? 
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#2404730 - 06/27/08 06:30 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Jason Johonnesson]
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Did you just compare yourself to Sandy Koufax?  Awesome!!! No way, no sir! But I will compare Richard to Sandy Koufax. They both are shaped like angel hair pasta yet they can both do some incredible things. Richard casts a method ball farther than I have ever seen anyone cast a lead. I expect him to win most, if not all, of the distance events. Angel Hair Pasta? Hmmm I represent that remark! How about an unrestricted method lead category?
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#2405268 - 06/27/08 09:18 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Bubbadass1]
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i heard an o'l tale of a guy "Dr Evil" aiming for and nearly hitting a camera man that was in a boat 100 yards off shore??? lol, I wish it was a 100yds , more like 60. But I was aiming for them. Distance wise I am not that great, accuracy wise I am pretty damm good
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#2405324 - 06/27/08 09:39 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: ScottEvil]
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ok.......carp......i was just making it a 40 yard better story 
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#2405336 - 06/27/08 09:43 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Bubbadass1]
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All
I just came back from outside, where I casted my kid's Barbie rod 102 yards with a 1/32 of an ounce split shot, 2 pound line, and a 20mph wind towards my face!
True story...
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#2408112 - 06/28/08 03:34 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: El Guahpo]
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you left out fly rods, world record for 10 weight is 186 feet
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#2410027 - 06/29/08 12:58 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: buffaloman chris]
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I would put my money on Tal. Tal would kick everybodys arse lol. That sucker can chunkem far.
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#2410764 - 06/29/08 06:19 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: Tracy S]
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I would put my money on Tal. Tal would kick everybodys arse lol. That sucker can chunkem far. I'll get him high before the contest so he over thinks his cast  No way he is going to come up here for that
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#2410875 - 06/29/08 06:58 PM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: ScottEvil]
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That would probably work Scott lol. He probably would if that was what the prize would be lmao.
Edited by Tracy S (06/29/08 06:59 PM)
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#2411841 - 06/30/08 07:23 AM
Re: Casting competition
[Re: dmunsie]
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I still think there should be just 1 comp, everyone brings their own rod / reel, attaches on the official comp weight and gets 3 casts, avg length of 3 casts wins. dmunsie I am beginning to agree with you. Based on what lou_a said in this sister post, there is a lot more to it than what I saw at a glance. For example, the world record multiplier/baitcaster video clip I posted of a 116 meter cast was for the 18 gram class. There are a bunch more other weight classes. Furthermore the multiplier/bait caster reels that they are using are so modified that you cannot even fish with them. The reels are mounted on the butt rather than above the handle. In other words they are where a fly reel would be. Its all just too strange. I want to know about casting gear that one can actually fish with. Lets just get together and cast on a field somewhere. No rules. What we learn from this we can apply to a larger more formal event in the future.
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