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#2343126 - 06/07/08 05:30 AM $4 Gas
Fishspanker Offline
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Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 236
Loc: Humble Tx
Oil to $140 per barrel yesterday. I went out this morning and gas is $3.99 everywhere. Come on recession. Interest needs to go up so the value of a dollar will follow. When your salary isn't tied to a robust or dwindling economy like mine cheap money eventually costs you on everyday items.

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#2343348 - 06/07/08 07:47 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Fishspanker]
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Registered: 06/25/06
Posts: 666
Loc: Lake Fork
I would be willing to say it will double by this time next year!
Lets see...$8.00 x 25=...$200...
Dang, can you put a troll motor on a paddle boat?? bang

T
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#2343353 - 06/07/08 07:49 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Castman]
RayBob Offline
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Registered: 11/18/02
Posts: 4223
Loc: Deep East Texas
The ChampN may have to go on the market.

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#2344153 - 06/07/08 04:44 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: RayBob]
basscaster46 Offline
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Registered: 03/03/06
Posts: 173
Loc: Red Oak, TX
God hope it does`nt go that high. If so my truck and boat would have to go. That is if someone would take them. Of course alot of us would be out of work at that point dought there would be much intrest in a boat and truck. Most would be trying to survive.
J.D.

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#2344490 - 06/07/08 07:05 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: basscaster46]
stan-the-man Offline
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Registered: 05/19/07
Posts: 10
Loc: Midland,Texas
I work in the oil and gas indrustry,the word were hearing from our end of it,oil will hit $200.00 dollars bbl.gas will be in the $10.00 range,really a bad deal for this country right now,it will turn us upside down and inside out,and our Goverment will still just sit on there hands,we dont need different sources of energy,we need different goverment on both sides of the iles.

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#2344597 - 06/07/08 07:44 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: stan-the-man]
Castman Online   content
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Loc: Lake Fork
your right sir...the Government can't do "anything" about it...except drill in Alaska..which they wouldn't do..and now it's "way" to late "to" do!
T
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#2344604 - 06/07/08 07:49 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Castman]
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Bankruptcy and foreclosure will be on the rise.eeks
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#2347563 - 06/09/08 02:53 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: David Lee]
lawmann Offline
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Registered: 07/03/06
Posts: 3511
Loc: Benbrook
Nothing you can do about it.

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#2347769 - 06/09/08 05:12 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: lawmann]
ehlersad Offline
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Registered: 02/11/03
Posts: 1572
Loc: Irving Texas
Go ahead and make it $10.00 a gallon. I already quite tournament fishing! Lets see whets next., Cell phone, Internet, Cable TV. I can defiantly live without all that. Fishing license, Any and all Tackle purchases. What if everyone does the same thing? It,s already happening. Enjoy Mr. oil man Enjoy
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#2347820 - 06/09/08 05:39 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: ehlersad]
SkeeterDon Offline
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Registered: 05/18/05
Posts: 1160
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Yes, there will be an influx of Smart Cars due to the Gas prices and an abundance of Gas/Diesel vehicles.

Something is definately fishing when a foreign market dictates what we do and how we do it.
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#2347894 - 06/09/08 06:10 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: SkeeterDon]
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It is not going to get better. Interest rates will drop to try and stimulate spending. I hope it doesn't create a Complete collapse of our economy. Depression anyone. Bush will be like Hoover.
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#2347999 - 06/09/08 06:45 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: SkeeterDon]
roger t Offline
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Registered: 12/15/01
Posts: 354
Loc: Universal City, Tx USA
My Skeeter is staying in the garage and now I am using my little Jonboat with a 3hp. Know what ? I am having a blast with it. I have put a trolling motor on it, a fishfinder,and 6 rodholders. With the little trailer I have, I can launch it almost anywhere..no more busy boat ramps. I can even pull it with the wife's little Honda. Back to cheap fishing trips again.
Roger

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#2348316 - 06/09/08 08:01 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: roger t]
BigPoppa Online   content
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Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 450
Loc: Plano, TX
So what will happen when oil gets to $200 per barrel and nobody can afford it. Will it continue to rise? How long can prices continue to rise while demand steadily falls before there is a market correction? That is the real question.

We have long wondered what the choking point is for America to reduce it's use of oil and I think that we have hit it. I night fish and use 10% of the gas I used to, Roger t is pulling his jonboat with his wife's Honda. People are driving more fuel efficient cars to work. Every month this country is using less and less petroleum in this country. Even people who have doubted that this is a bubble are starting to realize that this is getting rediculous. Because of oil prices many developing countries are letting their subsidies of gasoline expire and gas is no longer going to be dirt cheap in those countries.

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#2349320 - 06/09/08 12:22 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: BigPoppa]
bkchare Offline
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Registered: 03/18/02
Posts: 390
Loc: The Colony, TX
I have a friend who basically sets the gasoline prices for 1/2 the U.S. for a major gas reseller. Two weeks ago, when gas was getting around $3.75, he said that the wholesale costs of gas actually went DOWN, but they still raised retail prices. I firmly believe that the laws of supply and demand are not applying right now. Too much speculation. When --predictions-- of hurricanes raise the cost of gas, something is wrong. And has anyone noticed that oil changes are not increasing by leaps and bounds? The gasoline suppliers are gouging us, plain and simple.

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#2349491 - 06/09/08 01:05 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: bkchare]
BigPoppa Online   content
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Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 450
Loc: Plano, TX
It is interesting to watch right now because the high price of oil is causing the high price of oil. Somebody is going to be left without a chair when the music stops.

Even the Saudis realize that what is happening is out of control. They are calling for a meeting of OPEC to discuss oil prices and have literally said "There is no justification for the current rise in prices". They realize what this run up in prices is going to do to global demand.

Oil and Gas prices have turned into this huge emotional game. With the rise in prices from one day fueling the rise the next. True supply and demand have gone out the window. But like so many times before, what goes up...

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#2349519 - 06/09/08 01:14 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: BigPoppa]
spiny norman Online   content
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Registered: 07/13/06
Posts: 669
Loc: Shady Shores
My fear is the over the counter and unregulated trading in fuel commodities. The person without a chair when the music stops could very well be another Bear Sterns and on a much larger scale.

We simply don't know who is holding what.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1...G=461&rfi=9

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Edited by spiny norman (06/09/08 01:23 PM)

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#2349583 - 06/09/08 01:29 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: spiny norman]
Ranger Z21 Offline
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Registered: 06/12/04
Posts: 1698
Loc: Shady Shores, TX.
You all are missing the point. The terrorists that can't beat us with their military have openly said that they will crush us through the crashing of our economy. Seems like that is the direction we are going and its sad that both sides of the government are just sitting back and letting it happen while they fill their own greedy pockets. It will get to a point where we all will be fishing from the bank. There will be no more catch and release because that bass will be needed to feed your family. Bush will go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen and one of the richest. Mrs Bush is ove rin some country trying to send a billion dollars in aid. Just think what a billion dollars in this country could help to do. Lets start taking care of our own and let the rest of the world worry about themselves or we will be outside looking in.
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#2349994 - 06/09/08 03:25 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Ranger Z21]
Crumple Crome Offline
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Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 140
What a great topic!!! I fish tournaments, not for money but for a club. Even though I fish with a partner to save the fuel cost; I am seriously thinking about giving it up. At least until the economy stabilizes, if it does. Perhaps the saudi's meet with OPEC creates something positive. Either way I believe that we are getting very close to a depression. Time to stock up on the necessaties. Fishing and hunting supplies are going to a priority, not only for food but my families protection. I a have already done the simple things such as putting a locking gas cap on my vehicle. Since I have had fuel stolen at night. Even though we all have the best of intentions and hopes, perhaps we should be preparing for the worse.
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#2350089 - 06/09/08 03:50 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Crumple Crome]
Castman Online   content
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Registered: 06/25/06
Posts: 666
Loc: Lake Fork
One thing to remember about the price of oil!
America could stop using 50% of what we use now, and the price will still go up.

China ,India and others will just take up the slack to keep it the same or make it go higher!

T
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#2350127 - 06/09/08 04:12 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Castman]
meP2too Offline
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Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 929
Loc: dallas,tx,usa
what we could do right now, is contact your representatives and tell them to close the Enron Loopholes. outside and unregulated speculation in the energy markets would end the day after the loopholes are closed.

price per barrel would drop 40.00 to 60.00 dollars.

the other thing we need to tell our representatives is to grow some balls.

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#2350843 - 06/09/08 07:57 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: meP2too]
Donovan Maxwell Offline
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Registered: 04/24/06
Posts: 108
Loc: Irving, TX
Sounds like time for me to stock up on ammo, bottled water, matches, and canned food... And of course more fishing supplies

I am normally completely against gov't regulation because it stagnates growth, but it sounds like time for the gov't to step up to the plate and take care of business. Just a pipe dream, though, because the f@#&ers are the ones benefiting from this.


Edited by Donovan Maxwell (06/09/08 07:57 PM)

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#2351572 - 06/10/08 05:31 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Donovan Maxwell]
spiny norman Online   content
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Registered: 07/13/06
Posts: 669
Loc: Shady Shores
Is like every other problem with our govt. The radicle swings from right to left and back again. Too much regulation is a bad thing just as much as too little regulation.
Unchecked greed and hubris gave us the S&L disaster, Enron, The mortgage industry collapse and now the runaway fuel prices.

I think we all need to stop worrying about this country going "left" or "right", and start worrying about going forward.

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#2351607 - 06/10/08 05:44 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: stan-the-man]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
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Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 133
Loc: Del Rio, Texas
Originally Posted By: stan-the-man
I work in the oil and gas indrustry,the word were hearing from our end of it,oil will hit $200.00 dollars bbl.gas will be in the $10.00 range,really a bad deal for this country right now,it will turn us upside down and inside out,and our Goverment will still just sit on there hands,we dont need different sources of energy,we need different goverment on both sides of the iles.
Amen.....this current administration has done nothing to address the issue....heck they're claiming global warming is a hoax....it's almost as if they've stuck they're head in the sand. This has been coming on for many years, world-wide demand is skyrocketing (China/India) and supply is flat lined. I believe this issue (energy) is going to bring this country to it's knees. If you want to see what's happening I highly recommend renting a movie called CRUDE AWAKWNING It will really open you eyes to whats going on w/worlwide oil. The movie will literally scare you. IT's a MUST see. gary

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#2351619 - 06/10/08 05:50 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Ranger Z21]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 133
Loc: Del Rio, Texas
Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
You all are missing the point. The terrorists that can't beat us with their military have openly said that they will crush us through the crashing of our economy. Seems like that is the direction we are going and its sad that both sides of the government are just sitting back and letting it happen while they fill their own greedy pockets. It will get to a point where we all will be fishing from the bank. There will be no more catch and release because that bass will be needed to feed your family. Bush will go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen and one of the richest. Mrs Bush is ove rin some country trying to send a billion dollars in aid. Just think what a billion dollars in this country could help to do. Lets start taking care of our own and let the rest of the world worry about themselves or we will be outside looking in.

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#2351622 - 06/10/08 05:52 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: El Gringo (Gary)]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 133
Loc: Del Rio, Texas
Originally Posted By: El Gringo (Gary)
Originally Posted By: Ranger Z21
You all are missing the point. The terrorists that can't beat us with their military have openly said that they will crush us through the crashing of our economy. Seems like that is the direction we are going and its sad that both sides of the government are just sitting back and letting it happen while they fill their own greedy pockets. It will get to a point where we all will be fishing from the bank. There will be no more catch and release because that bass will be needed to feed your family. Bush will go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen and one of the richest. Mrs Bush is ove rin some country trying to send a billion dollars in aid. Just think what a billion dollars in this country could help to do. Lets start taking care of our own and let the rest of the world worry about themselves or we will be outside looking in.

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#2351657 - 06/10/08 06:03 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: BigPoppa]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 133
Loc: Del Rio, Texas
Originally Posted By: BigPoppa
So what will happen when oil gets to $200 per barrel and nobody can afford it. Will it continue to rise? How long can prices continue to rise while demand steadily falls before there is a market correction? That is the real question.

We have long wondered what the choking point is for America to reduce it's use of oil and I think that we have hit it. I night fish and use 10% of the gas I used to, Roger t is pulling his jonboat with his wife's Honda. People are driving more fuel efficient cars to work. Every month this country is using less and less petroleum in this country. Even people who have doubted that this is a bubble are starting to realize that this is getting rediculous. Because of oil prices many developing countries are letting their subsidies of gasoline expire and gas is no longer going to be dirt cheap in those countries.

Big Poppa.....the demand is going up (hence the price increase)..The U.S used to use say 60% of the world's oil. Now China and India are using the oil like we used to. World-wide demand is going up.....way up. As the demand rises so will prices. Like I said in an earlier post rent a movie called CRUDE AWAKENING you will be amazed at what's been happening for years. This didn't just happen overnight....I've been hearing about this coming on for years....not in the mainstream media though. Unfortunately our goverment hasn't done anything to really look for alternative energy sources or in developing our own........I can't imagine how bad this is going to get.....I hear alot of folks talking like this is only temporary.....I really believe we'll be looking back at 4$ a gallon for gas as the good old days.......gary

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#2351663 - 06/10/08 06:05 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: El Gringo (Gary)]
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Registered: 09/26/05
Posts: 1774
Loc: Lewisville
Well, other nations are having protests in the streets because their government subsidized gasoline is going up up up. Maybe a million man march on Washington would liven things up a bit?

This should have a simple solution, but I'm not sure what that solution is ...
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#2351887 - 06/10/08 07:27 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Zeek the Greek]
BigPoppa Online   content
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Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 450
Loc: Plano, TX
It is true that India and China have increased their demand for oil. However, their increase in demand over the past few months has actually tailed off. And lets keep this in perspective. Combined, China and India, the world's two most populated countries use 9% of the global oil intake.

Developing countries that have subsidized gasoline prices have let those subsidies expire, and now the over pricing of oil is causing demand deterioration.

For every article or movie that states that we are about to run out of oil there is another that states that we are not. People have been talking about peak oil since the 70s.

As much as we want to lay this one at the feet of our government let me ask a question. How would we have reacted if the government was spending billions of dollars to develop alternate energy sources back when gas was 98 cents per gallon? No, we would have wanted them to throw money at whatever the problem was at the time. Would all of us (me included) run out and buy a hybrid when gas was that low?

When it comes down to it the free market is what will solve this problem. As gas goes up fuel efficient and alternative energy solutions become economically viable. That is the only way we will move in that direction. That is why Saudi Arabia is calling this conference. Have they ever shown interest in oil prices being too high in the past? Why would they want anything other than $200 per barrel oil? It is because they are seeing the writing on the wall about what is starting to happen to demand. We are still the 800 pound gorilla in the market and Saudi Arabia is scared that their biggest customer is starting to wean itself off their product.

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#2351933 - 06/10/08 07:37 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: BigPoppa]
BigPoppa Online   content
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Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 450
Loc: Plano, TX
Let me add that the other day when oil spiked $11 per barrel in one day the principle reason was that Morgan Stanley came out and said that they think oil would reach $150 per barrel.

So oil prices didn't spike because Isreal attacked Iran, or an oil tanker sunk off the west coast. Oil didn't spike because a new report came out on how much oil demand had increased in China or India. Oil prices spiked nearly 10% because somebody said they thought oil prices would spike.

Don't misconstrue my comments about this. I hate paying this much for gas just as much as the rest of you. I just think that we are at least in a partial bubble.

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#2351959 - 06/10/08 07:44 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: El Gringo (Gary)]
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Loc: TEXOMA
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#2352028 - 06/10/08 08:00 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: chrisc]
rb7764 Offline
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Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 935
Loc: Frisco, TX, USA
I for one have faith in free enterprise, just as BigPoppa does. Alternative energy sources will now become economically viable. It will take a while, no doubt, and it may be painful in the short-term, but we will all be better off in the long run. Everyone can take immediate steps to mitigate his/her own personal situation to reduce the impact of this. It cannot be totally eliminated if you buy anything from food to clothes, but it can be minimized. How? Drive smart and drive less. Move closer to work, slow down, get a more fuel efficient car, better yet, ride your bicycle to the store and to work (we could all use the exercise anyway), install a wind power generator or a photovoltaic generator, etc. All of these things will become more and more the norm as we move forward. Driving a boat at 70+MPH will become a thing of the past for most people.

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#2354396 - 06/10/08 07:08 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: rb7764]
JNOLLEY Offline
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Registered: 02/06/07
Posts: 270
Loc: Longview, Texas
Price of gas is outragious, having to cut way back on fishing!!
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#2354620 - 06/10/08 08:02 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: JNOLLEY]
Whiskey Six5 Offline
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Registered: 04/15/08
Posts: 10
Loc: Plano, TX
Wow this is quite an interesting discussion. I cannot remember who but someone above definitly hit on a significant point. For many years the the US has held (and quite frankly dominated) the world as the leading consumer of petrol products (across the board) not just fuel.

In addition, for years various think tank groups have predicted this "scenario" which is occuring today and subsequently, many companies have tried to produce "alternative" vehicles only to find themselves being sued in court for their patents by the likes of Ford, GM, Chrysler, and Toyota. The big 3 specifically have owned the patents to the so called "hybrid" vehicle for 2 decades nopw, and it was only after Honda really began to experiment, and Toyota enticed several of Fords engineers that these even came to the markets attention. While the automotive giants cannot control the gas prices directly; they can certainly do so indirectly.

The second (and far more relevant problem) we have incurred was again "created" by us. Since the 70's big corporations have been "outsourcing" what many consider menial work to Asia and India which has been boosting their economy in an amazing way. In fact, all this "menial" work has swung the pendulum so far in the other direction that these countries now are the largest consumers of petroleum! All this outsourcing has allowed the people who who once rode bicycles to be able to afford cars. Now, we sit here in America with a look of disbelief as we "rattle our sabers" at the oil producing countries who once needed us, and they respond by raising the prices. These nations no longer view us with the same fear that we once had about boycotting...as for them, the future lies with the countries that have an even greater and somewhat insatiable need for petroleum.

As to those who feel our governement should do something...they will and have. Iraq was the first stage...and a tactical one at that as it created and staged a US Military presence in the middle east. Stage 2 is coming however, In my opinion I beleive it will take a bit longer yet...when the burden of gasoline cripples the way we live our lives everyday...the average American family will agree with whatever action is necessary to ensure that gas is attainable. What I find most ironic is that the majority of oil we have been drilling, pumping, and refining in America has been exported now for years...so our goverment has really been double dipping on us for years as well. Is the day coming (and probably very soon) where there is a heafty "luxury tax" on (our boats) and other petroleum consuming "non primary transportation" vehicles...you bet; as this will be an effort to help control the use of fuel by levying a tax so heavy that all but the wealthiest of people will not be able to afford it.

Can my family and I cut back? Yep, Can we stock up on goods and ammo? Already have. Is the day coming when gas becomes too expensive for those who already steal and car jack just to get drugs or for fun? Yep...What then??? Will they shoot my friend or family member just for the remaining 5 gallons of fuel in their Kia Rio? Sadly, this is not doom and gloom...because it is real...right now, and right here today, just watch the news one night.

We may not see it...but what about my daughters, your sons, and there kids?

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#2355115 - 06/11/08 04:45 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Whiskey Six5]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
Outdoorsman

Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 133
Loc: Del Rio, Texas
Your really hit the nail on the head..........gary
Originally Posted By: Whiskey Six5
Wow this is quite an interesting discussion. I cannot remember who but someone above definitly hit on a significant point. For many years the the US has held (and quite frankly dominated) the world as the leading consumer of petrol products (across the board) not just fuel.

In addition, for years various think tank groups have predicted this "scenario" which is occuring today and subsequently, many companies have tried to produce "alternative" vehicles only to find themselves being sued in court for their patents by the likes of Ford, GM, Chrysler, and Toyota. The big 3 specifically have owned the patents to the so called "hybrid" vehicle for 2 decades nopw, and it was only after Honda really began to experiment, and Toyota enticed several of Fords engineers that these even came to the markets attention. While the automotive giants cannot control the gas prices directly; they can certainly do so indirectly.

The second (and far more relevant problem) we have incurred was again "created" by us. Since the 70's big corporations have been "outsourcing" what many consider menial work to Asia and India which has been boosting their economy in an amazing way. In fact, all this "menial" work has swung the pendulum so far in the other direction that these countries now are the largest consumers of petroleum! All this outsourcing has allowed the people who who once rode bicycles to be able to afford cars. Now, we sit here in America with a look of disbelief as we "rattle our sabers" at the oil producing countries who once needed us, and they respond by raising the prices. These nations no longer view us with the same fear that we once had about boycotting...as for them, the future lies with the countries that have an even greater and somewhat insatiable need for petroleum.

As to those who feel our governement should do something...they will and have. Iraq was the first stage...and a tactical one at that as it created and staged a US Military presence in the middle east. Stage 2 is coming however, In my opinion I beleive it will take a bit longer yet...when the burden of gasoline cripples the way we live our lives everyday...the average American family will agree with whatever action is necessary to ensure that gas is attainable. What I find most ironic is that the majority of oil we have been drilling, pumping, and refining in America has been exported now for years...so our goverment has really been double dipping on us for years as well. Is the day coming (and probably very soon) where there is a heafty "luxury tax" on (our boats) and other petroleum consuming "non primary transportation" vehicles...you bet; as this will be an effort to help control the use of fuel by levying a tax so heavy that all but the wealthiest of people will not be able to afford it.

Can my family and I cut back? Yep, Can we stock up on goods and ammo? Already have. Is the day coming when gas becomes too expensive for those who already steal and car jack just to get drugs or for fun? Yep...What then??? Will they shoot my friend or family member just for the remaining 5 gallons of fuel in their Kia Rio? Sadly, this is not doom and gloom...because it is real...right now, and right here today, just watch the news one night.

We may not see it...but what about my daughters, your sons, and there kids?

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#2355132 - 06/11/08 04:52 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: rb7764]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
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Originally Posted By: rb7764
I for one have faith in free enterprise, just as BigPoppa does. Alternative energy sources will now become economically viable. It will take a while, no doubt, and it may be painful in the short-term, but we will all be better off in the long run. Everyone can take immediate steps to mitigate his/her own personal situation to reduce the impact of this. It cannot be totally eliminated if you buy anything from food to clothes, but it can be minimized. How? Drive smart and drive less. Move closer to work, slow down, get a more fuel efficient car, better yet, ride your bicycle to the store and to work (we could all use the exercise anyway), install a wind power generator or a photovoltaic generator, etc. All of these things will become more and more the norm as we move forward. Driving a boat at 70+MPH will become a thing of the past for most people.
Free enterprize is great.....we just need to get them out of Washington D.C. The corporate giants run this country. Both sides are in the pocket of "big money". We need MAJOR CHANGE. gary

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#2355216 - 06/11/08 05:24 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: El Gringo (Gary)]
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The biggest problem is the speculators who are hedging the falling American dollar against the price of oil. The government should require a 50% down payment on contracts that anyone buys and require that they take delivery of at least 25% of the actual product. Currently, I believe the down payment is either 10% or 16% with no required delivery. This would curtail the number of speculators trying to make money on a staple.
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#2355294 - 06/11/08 05:56 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: rockiesfan57]
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Originally Posted By: rockiesfan57
The biggest problem is the speculators who are hedging the falling American dollar against the price of oil. The government should require a 50% down payment on contracts that anyone buys and require that they take delivery of at least 25% of the actual product. Currently, I believe the down payment is either 10% or 16% with no required delivery. This would curtail the number of speculators trying to make money on a staple.


BINGO!

It would also substantially reduce the amount that is covered on margin.


Edited by spiny norman (06/11/08 05:59 AM)

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#2355411 - 06/11/08 06:27 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: BigPoppa]
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You make a number of EXCELLENT points! Worldwide energy demand is definitely a factor but not so big a factor as our own STUPIDITY!

The MAIN thing we need is an ENERGY POLICY which would allow us to do what we already know how to do and are not doing.

We need use nuclear power to generate the vast majority of our electricity instead of burning hydrocarbons to do that.

We need to quit fooling around with things that require high energy inputs for little return (using food sources to produce energy is a political boondoggle of the first order) and start working on things like shale oil and coal liquification development.

We need to drill for and refine our own oil.

If we did those things our energy problems would end very quickly!

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#2355481 - 06/11/08 06:49 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: rockiesfan57]
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Posts: 36
I would love to see the government release about half of the strategic petroleum reserve all at once.
The speculators would be spanked severely!

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#2355560 - 06/11/08 07:09 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Bigun12]
El Gringo (Gary) Online   content
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Registered: 05/04/07
Posts: 133
Loc: Del Rio, Texas
Originally Posted By: Bigun12
You make a number of EXCELLENT points! Worldwide energy demand is definitely a factor but not so big a factor as our own STUPIDITY!

The MAIN thing we need is an ENERGY POLICY which would allow us to do what we already know how to do and are not doing.

We need use nuclear power to generate the vast majority of our electricity instead of burning hydrocarbons to do that.

We need to quit fooling around with things that require high energy inputs for little return (using food sources to produce energy is a political boondoggle of the first order) and start working on things like shale oil and coal liquification development.

We need to drill for and refine our own oil.

If we did those things our energy problems would end very quickly!
Isn't that the truth.....using 100 barrels of oil to produce 90 barrels of ethanol.......and the government is subsidizing that. I saw an interview where ethanol processing plant managers were joking about how futile this was. They said they always were in the red but that the goverment subsidies allowed them to make HUGE profits.

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#2355579 - 06/11/08 07:15 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: El Gringo (Gary)]
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Posts: 1774
Loc: Lewisville
Here's a silver lining of high gas prices (there's been several):

Some bright boy in Carlsbad, CA has developed a car that runs on electricity and has a small gas motor as an onboard generator - the car never runs off the motor, just on the electricity it produces. Gets approximately 300mpg, holds 2 adults, 1 child and 3 surfboards. The car cost about $30K.

I would love to see this sort of thinking applied to a 1/2 ton or 3/4 truck that can pull a fishing boat. It can be done.
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#2355622 - 06/11/08 07:26 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Zeek the Greek]
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And there is the example of the free market. The government is in place to do what we can't do as a free society. We can respond to high gas prices.

While I agree on limits being imposed on speculation any other government tinkering with gas prices and our oil companies can't compete on a global scale. They already sell diesel to other countries because there are less restrictions. That is one of the reasons diesel is so expensive.

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#2355697 - 06/11/08 07:40 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Zeek the Greek]
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Registered: 02/02/07
Posts: 55
Loc: Irving, Texas
Voila!
At last!
I had to read every post here to find the first rational thought.
I consider a rational thought as being fact generated. Slogging through all the blame game was tedious to the point that I seriously considered moving on. Then up jumped the voice of reason.
Bigun12 submits for your consideration solutions based on facts. I realize that consideration of fact over emotion is a scary concept to you of liberal bent but be very scared because the seed has been planted by people like Bigun12 and nothing can stop it from growing. Your emotional reactions will be crushed by the weight of fact. Even your "Golden Goose" scam of "Global Warming" will peter out. It's already been factually debunked.
I thank God for Bigun12 and the ever increasing numbers of level heads who are raising their voices against mass "Stupidity"
There, I've vented. I'm gonna close my eyes and go fishing for a few minutes.
Waiting for the weekend;
J.B.

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#2355764 - 06/11/08 07:54 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Thespis]
spiny norman Online   content
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Loc: Shady Shores
Originally Posted By: Thespis
I would love to see the government release about half of the strategic petroleum reserve all at once.
The speculators would be spanked severely!


Unfortunatly this could cause a domino effect in an already unstable economy. A recession for sure and most likely a full blown depression. Much as I would like to see them spanked, it's better for everyone to let the air out of the bubble slowly.

There is also a very real chance that your pension is invested oil derivatives.


Edited by spiny norman (06/11/08 11:51 AM)

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#2355882 - 06/11/08 08:15 AM Re: $4 Gas [Re: J.B.]
Bigun12 Online   content
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Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 51
"Your emotional reactions will be crushed by the weight of fact."

The sooner the better!

A great man once said:

"Those who would be ignorant and free want what never was and never will be!"

He was right!

Our government schools have produced exactly the result they were intended to produce.

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#2357452 - 06/11/08 03:27 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Fishspanker]
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Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 236
Loc: Humble Tx
When I was in China 3 years ago they told me 1 in 50 chinese has a car. If you believe their demand can fuel the increase in gas price what happens if 10 in 50 have a car....$40 a gallon?

Speculation that's the driver....hopefully it goes the way of internet stocks......and tanks!


Edited by Fishspanker (06/11/08 03:29 PM)

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#2358006 - 06/11/08 07:06 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: J.B.]
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Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 140
Originally Posted By: J.B.
Voila!
At last!
I had to read every post here to find the first rational thought.
I consider a rational thought as being fact generated. Slogging through all the blame game was tedious to the point that I seriously considered moving on. Then up jumped the voice of reason.
Bigun12 submits for your consideration solutions based on facts. I realize that consideration of fact over emotion is a scary concept to you of liberal bent but be very scared because the seed has been planted by people like Bigun12 and nothing can stop it from growing. Your emotional reactions will be crushed by the weight of fact. Even your "Golden Goose" scam of "Global Warming" will peter out. It's already been factually debunked.
I thank God for Bigun12 and the ever increasing numbers of level heads who are raising their voices against mass "Stupidity"
There, I've vented. I'm gonna close my eyes and go fishing for a few minutes.
Waiting for the weekend;
J.B.


OOOKKKKKAAAYYYY! Big gun has some interesting points. Yes, it is a bad idea to have a country who basically lives on corn to use it as an alterative fuel. Using shale oil would cost so much for refinement that fuel would be 10 bucks a gallon. The only issues with electricity is how do you get it... Burning coal? Global warming may be debunked, but it isn't the cleanest source of energy. There is still pollutants that get in the air, and water. Have you ever heard of ozone alerts or or smog alerts or even mercury.

Nuclear energy ya, but where does all the waste go????? Perhaps it will end up in your back yard or your kids or grandkids backyard. Remember the fish from the simpsons.

So far the cleanest forms of enrgy are from wind turbines and the SUN. Why not use something renewable that won't run out several years down the road. To me that seems logical. And we won't screw up this land for the next generation.
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#2358285 - 06/11/08 09:12 PM Re: $4 Gas [Re: Crumple Crome]
Bossbowman Offline
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Registered: 03/14/05
Posts: 1262
Loc: Hill county
First thing the next administration whoever it is need to do is create an energy policy that would eventually allow us to be independent. It is a fact that we are going to see at least $4 gas through 2009, very likely will be $5 a gallon by sometimes in july. People need to realize we are no longer the top dog economy, china is growing by leaps and bounds and will be the the largest economic power by as soon as 2010. We are in some tough times in the short term.


Edited by Bossbowman (06/11/08 09:14 PM)

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