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#2272187 - 05/16/08 03:44 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Kube]
bassdreamer Offline
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Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 2246
Loc: Haslet TX
Originally Posted By: Kube
Let's not forget the most important underlying fact:

Oil Supplies are peaking

You can talk speculation and market manipulation all day/night because these are also affecting the price. But under it all, there's just not enough to go around anymore.

Heck, I'd love to buy a boat, but I have enough problems filling my compact pickup up right now. I'm planning on downsizing.

High/skyrocketing oil prices are here to stay.


No offense, but you are listening to NBC, CBS, and CNN too much! Baloney about not enough oil; I've been hearing that story for 30 years!

Right now, ANWR has as much oil as Iraq, the shale oil in the mountians of Wyoming, to the northern border swamps Saudi Arabia, and lets not forget the oil Mexico is currently extracting from the Gulf that due to 'environmental' policies, we can't drill for ourselves.

In addition, we haven't allowed oil companies to build a new refinery in the U.S. in over 30 years.

If our government and the environmental nuts that seem to have a strangle-hold on most american brains would let the free market loose, the price set by OPEC would be broken and the speculators would have no choice but to reduce the price for oil. (competition works everytime it is tried)

Only until we cut loose of our own self imposed guilt over the environmental worries about producing more of our own energy, will the cost of that energy go down.

Unfortunately, all three candidates for President have bought into the global warming scam, and we are in for 4 years of economic pain. Anyone remember the Carter administration? soap

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#2272267 - 05/16/08 04:27 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: bassdreamer]
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Originally Posted By: bassdreamer
[quote=Kube] Anyone remember the Carter administration? soap


But at least during the Carter admin OPEC was doing the same thing it is doing now, cutting back production and charging more for what they have to sell. Our buddies the Saudis...

Let's get Teddy Roosevelt imperialistic on them and set up a mercantilistic economy in Iraq just for oil. I mean they hate us already we may was well make it worth it and take all the crude they have.
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#2272318 - 05/16/08 04:49 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Fishin' Nut]
ogles824 Offline
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Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 52
Loc: Cooper, TX
Originally Posted By: Fishin' Nut
The world price of oil is set in dollars. As the Fed lowers the interest rate, the dollar becomes cheaper. The cheaper the dollar, the highter the price of oil. In the last few meetings the Fed has almost advertised beforehand that they are again lowering interest rates before their meeting. So, by attempting to bail out those subprime mortgages, they have increased the price of oil.

That's exaclty how these folks are making this scheme work. The lower the dollar goes the better it works.
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#2272365 - 05/16/08 05:07 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: ogles824]
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Originally Posted By: ogles824
Originally Posted By: Fishin' Nut
The world price of oil is set in dollars. As the Fed lowers the interest rate, the dollar becomes cheaper. The cheaper the dollar, the highter the price of oil. In the last few meetings the Fed has almost advertised beforehand that they are again lowering interest rates before their meeting. So, by attempting to bail out those subprime mortgages, they have increased the price of oil.

That's exaclty how these folks are making this scheme work. The lower the dollar goes the better it works.


In the end it is our fault we refuse do anything about it.

We scoff at the French but the last time the government raised the price of gas (petrol) .15 cents they clogged the streets of Paris and every major city and they lowered the price in less than 48 hours. Try that in Mexico and like they did three years ago and their world came to a stand still for 72 hours, with Molotov Cocktails included, I know we are civilized and have more to risk, but at some point we will have to stand up to the establishment and not lie to ourselves and say "well we do have it better than everyone else", we are the modern Roman Empire and if the government does not care for is people the empire will cease to exist.

I am not a communist, socialist, or anarchist but energy resources in the U.S. should not be owned by private entities. Now I come from a land owning family and I would be the first to agree with the nationalization of all mineral assets in the U.S. for the economic betterment of the people of the U.S.


Edited by XYZ (05/16/08 05:24 PM)
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#2272403 - 05/16/08 05:26 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: ogles824]
onlylittlefish Offline
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Registered: 07/18/07
Posts: 237
Originally Posted By: ogles824
The real "trick" hear I beleive is that some folks have figured out how to manipulate the rate of exchange (Dollars to Euros) and the market between Europe and the USA and that is actually what has driven up the price of oil. These folks are coming into the US market and buying options on the up side of the price of oil then going to the European market and manipulating the price to there strike price in the US on the option trade and making a killing. That has got to be illigal or some sort of insider trading in my book. I printed this article at work and let some of the guys read it a lot of them including me think that there needs to be a federal investigation into the dealings at Goldman Sachs and laws should be inacted immediatly to stop folks from doing this.
I am a conservative, formally in a family business and I firmly beleive in a free market, but in my book this shouldn't be happening, supply and demand ought to be the only controlling factors in this market, not some way to flim flam the world to make a fortune.
My two cents.

While I do not like what those companies that are trying manipulate the market are doing, the reason they can do it is because they know someone if going to buy the next tanker of crude and someone is going to buy the next barge of gasoline at the higher price. When we restrain our buying and the price drops then the trades they have outstanding will costs them and they will lose money. It is ultimately a supply and demand issue. If I had oil sitting in the ground today I would leave it there. It will certainly be worth more in 20 years than the dollars that I would be paid for it today.
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#2272546 - 05/16/08 06:18 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: XYZ]
Michial Thompson Offline
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Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 1831
Loc: Allen, TX
Originally Posted By: XYZ


In the end it is our fault we refuse do anything about it.

We scoff at the French but the last time the government raised the price of gas (petrol) .15 cents they clogged the streets of Paris and every major city and they lowered the price in less than 48 hours. Try that in Mexico and like they did three years ago and their world came to a stand still for 72 hours, with Molotov Cocktails included, I know we are civilized and have more to risk, but at some point we will have to stand up to the establishment and not lie to ourselves and say "well we do have it better than everyone else", we are the modern Roman Empire and if the government does not care for is people the empire will cease to exist.

I am not a communist, socialist, or anarchist but energy resources in the U.S. should not be owned by private entities. Now I come from a land owning family and I would be the first to agree with the nationalization of all mineral assets in the U.S. for the economic betterment of the people of the U.S.



PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE close that can of worms before it gets out of control...

If you start with nationalization of energy. then comes food, then comes just about everything that follows and pretty soon we have the USSR of the USA....

The problem is that once you start nationalizing industry to stabilize a portion of society the sheeples will begin demanding more and more nationalization until there is nothing left...

Have you ever read the book Atlas Shrugged?


Edited by Michial Thompson (05/16/08 06:19 PM)
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#2272626 - 05/16/08 06:56 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: onlylittlefish]
ogles824 Offline
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Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 52
Loc: Cooper, TX
Here's another link some one just sent me. I thought this was neat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk&feature=related


Edited by ogles824 (05/16/08 06:56 PM)
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#2274742 - 05/17/08 05:22 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: ogles824]
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Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 1842
Loc: South Texas
If the price of fuel was tied to the old "supply and demand" theory, wouldn't there be lines at the gas stations like during the oil embargo in the 70's? Stations seem to be full and willing to sell you all you can afford, that ain't no supply problem.

Oh, and yes there have been no new refineries, but all the refineries have been expanded, some doubled their processing.
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#2274778 - 05/17/08 05:40 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: ogles824]
grandpa75672 Online   content
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Registered: 05/14/05
Posts: 5841
Loc: marshall, texas
Reads to me like the speculators are driving up the price and buying yachts while we try to figure out how to get enough gas to get to work next week. Lets just take them out and shoot them


Edited by grandpa75672 (05/17/08 05:43 PM)
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#2274792 - 05/17/08 05:49 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: ogles824]
Allison1 Offline
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Registered: 12/14/03
Posts: 3887
Loc: Grand Prairie, Tx
Originally Posted By: ogles824
Here's another link some one just sent me. I thought this was neat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk&feature=related


Oh no! Not him again.

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#2274794 - 05/17/08 05:50 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: bassdreamer]
Big Dan G Offline
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Registered: 12/02/02
Posts: 6092
Loc: Desoto, Tx
Originally Posted By: bassdreamer
Originally Posted By: Kube
Let's not forget the most important underlying fact:

Oil Supplies are peaking

You can talk speculation and market manipulation all day/night because these are also affecting the price. But under it all, there's just not enough to go around anymore.

Heck, I'd love to buy a boat, but I have enough problems filling my compact pickup up right now. I'm planning on downsizing.

High/skyrocketing oil prices are here to stay.


No offense, but you are listening to NBC, CBS, and CNN too much! Baloney about not enough oil; I've been hearing that story for 30 years!

Right now, ANWR has as much oil as Iraq, the shale oil in the mountians of Wyoming, to the northern border swamps Saudi Arabia, and lets not forget the oil Mexico is currently extracting from the Gulf that due to 'environmental' policies, we can't drill for ourselves.

In addition, we haven't allowed oil companies to build a new refinery in the U.S. in over 30 years.

If our government and the environmental nuts that seem to have a strangle-hold on most american brains would let the free market loose, the price set by OPEC would be broken and the speculators would have no choice but to reduce the price for oil. (competition works everytime it is tried)

Only until we cut loose of our own self imposed guilt over the environmental worries about producing more of our own energy, will the cost of that energy go down.

Unfortunately, all three candidates for President have bought into the global warming scam, and we are in for 4 years of economic pain. Anyone remember the Carter administration? soap


Cut through the chase ya'll as we got to have it, if you can't afford it take the Dart rail or bus , or car poll !

There aint nothing we can do as consumers /voters PERIOD de

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#2274861 - 05/17/08 06:08 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Big Dan G]
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Registered: 01/14/03
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I drove my truck out to the farm last weekend. In an effort to do the right thing, I only drove 60. Folks were very nice. Many of them waived - but most only used one finger.
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#2274868 - 05/17/08 06:11 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Pilothawk]
J.Mays97 Online   content
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Registered: 01/09/06
Posts: 678
Loc: Euless, Texas
Originally Posted By: Pilothawk
I drove my truck out to the farm last weekend. In an effort to do the right thing, I only drove 60. Folks were very nice. Many of them waived - but most only used one finger.


As much as I hate it, I think I'm going to have to make more of an effort to drive the posted speed limit instead of 10mph over
to help myself out.

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#2274875 - 05/17/08 06:14 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Pilothawk]
Jimbo Offline
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Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 4652
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
Originally Posted By: Pilothawk
I drove my truck out to the farm last weekend. In an effort to do the right thing, I only drove 60. Folks were very nice. Many of them waived - but most only used one finger.


I see the same thing but I laugh and just wave, because it's their pocket, and not mine!

More power to them, and the road is wide enough for them to pass!
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#2274878 - 05/17/08 06:15 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: J.Mays97]
Pilothawk Online   happy
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I got 21.2 mpg according to the trip computer. At 70, I get just 17 mpg. This is a Ford F250 with the 7.3 diesel (2 wheel drive). As much as diesel is going for it pays to slow down.
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#2274892 - 05/17/08 06:19 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Pilothawk]
Jimbo Offline
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Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 4652
Loc: San Antonio, Texas
That's why you see all the trucker slowing down, they have too.

Until everyone figures it out they will still have that lead foot, but then again, it's their wallet!
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#2274907 - 05/17/08 06:22 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Jimbo]
Allison1 Offline
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Registered: 12/14/03
Posts: 3887
Loc: Grand Prairie, Tx
I don't know how to buy fuel anymore. My credit card cuts off at 100 dollars and if I carry cash I'm afraid I'll get robbed.

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#2289918 - 05/21/08 06:58 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: Pilothawk]
Michial Thompson Offline
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Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 1831
Loc: Allen, TX
Originally Posted By: Pilothawk
I got 21.2 mpg according to the trip computer. At 70, I get just 17 mpg. This is a Ford F250 with the 7.3 diesel (2 wheel drive). As much as diesel is going for it pays to slow down.


Something interesting that I recently went through is a trip to Louisville. I made the same trip last year along the same route (last June). I got 15.3 mpg, that was driving 70+ the entire drive, probably without using cruise control much either. I made the trip 2 weeks ago, scheduled an extra day for driving, and set the cruise control at 65mph and maintained the disciplin to be patient and let the drive take an extra 2 hours on an 840 mile trip.

I expected to fill up at 350 miles, but at 350 miles I still had 1/2 tank left. I got to just over 500 miles and finally got afraid that the gas guage might be wrong and pulled in for gas. I averaged 25.6mpg across the entire trip. This in a car rated on the sticker as 16mpg in the city and 19 highway.

I didn't believe it but I went ahead and maintained the 65mph for the entire round trip, saved almost 2 tanks of gas or $150 smile

I leave tomorrow for Iowa, guess what speed I'll be driving?
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#2289969 - 05/21/08 07:07 PM Re: Why are our fuel prices so high!?!?!?!?!? Here's the answer. [Re: BillS2006]
Michial Thompson Offline
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Registered: 04/22/07
Posts: 1831
Loc: Allen, TX
Originally Posted By: BillS2006
If the price of fuel was tied to the old "supply and demand" theory, wouldn't there be lines at the gas stations like during the oil embargo in the 70's? Stations seem to be full and willing to sell you all you can afford, that ain't no supply problem.

Oh, and yes there have been no new refineries, but all the refineries have been expanded, some doubled their processing.


Actually you are FINALLY seeing the supply/demand come into play. The long lines aren't part of supply/demand. The idea behind supply and demand is that you raise the price to lower demand, or lower the price to increase demand. What they are experiencing right now is that they are raising the prices expecting the demand to go down and it's not.

What this tells the oil companies really is that they could have upped the price a lot more a lot sooner and made even more money. Until they reach a price that slows the sales you will keep seeing it go up. Once you they find that magic number the price will stop going up based unless they run low on oil, it won't go down unless they have a surplus of oil.

The price of a barrel of oil has practically no baring on the price of gasoline at the pump. They use the increase price of a barrel to justify the increase at the pump. If the two were tightly tied together you would see gas increase/decrease proportionally to the price of oil. When oil was $10/barrel gas was about $1.25, if the two were linked oil is $230/barrel, gas should be $28.75 per gallon.
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