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#2247880 - 05/08/08 03:04 PM
A lesson for GG...
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Try not to gill fish, as it can hurt there gill rakers, Possibly killing the fish.
GG
Ok, you say it every time, and it is time for me to step in. I'm tired of this. Do you know what the gill raker does, gg? Do you know where it is located? By your statement, I don't think you do. The gill raker is actually on the inside of the gill arch and aids in feeding. It is unlikely that you will injure that specific part when you hold a fish up by its "gills". So, you are wrong in that. What could be damaged when people hold fish up by the gills is the gill arch and/or filaments themselves. The filaments are the vital part of the oxygen exchange in the fish. When you have necrotic gills, the oxygen exchange is less efficient. It's sort of like when your lung capacity is decreased due to smoking or whatever (not a shot at the guys that smoke...just an example). Usually people are that are holding the fish up by the "gills" are actually holding the fish up by the operculum, which is the bony plate that covers and protects the gills. I've seen carp with large portions of the gills exposed and they were fine. That being said, I don't condone people holding a fish up by the operculum. It is best for all fish to be held with the body properly supported. I'm not trying to be mean, but if you are going to harp on people every time they hold a fish the "wrong way" (some people have never thought about it), then you need to stop doing it with a faulty statement. So there's your lesson for today, GG. I hope you pay attention.
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#2247903 - 05/08/08 03:17 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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#2247905 - 05/08/08 03:18 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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Great lesson though!
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#2247908 - 05/08/08 03:19 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
[Re: El Guahpo]
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Haha, El G! I just had to get it out. The biologist in me screams every time I read that statement!
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#2247942 - 05/08/08 03:29 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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proper usage of POWW!!! 
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#2247955 - 05/08/08 03:34 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
[Re: ScottEvil]
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You mean, other than in a dead silent car ride, right?
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#2247974 - 05/08/08 03:44 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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I'm sorry, I thought that the gill arches where called the rakers.... That's what I've always heard them called.
I'll back off on it. I'm just trying to help people handle fish the "right way."
You learn something new everyday!!
Thanks!
GG
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#2247978 - 05/08/08 03:45 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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We get what you're doing GG, but if you're going to correct somebody, then you better not do it with a flawed statement.
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#2247981 - 05/08/08 03:46 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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I'm glad you told me.
Thanks!
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#2248507 - 05/08/08 07:14 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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Thanks for the lesson, much appreciated! Did you go to school for Biology?
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#2248512 - 05/08/08 07:15 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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You mean, other than in a dead silent car ride, right? well yeah, of coarse
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#2248580 - 05/08/08 07:39 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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she said she was a biologist, so maybe its just me, but i would say YES!
thanks Krista, I was getting tired of hearing it all the time as well
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#2248649 - 05/08/08 07:59 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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#2248681 - 05/08/08 08:10 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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#2248778 - 05/08/08 08:44 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
[Re: Texasenglishman]
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Gill rakes, or Gill rakers (Anat.), horny filaments, or progresses, on the inside of the branchial arches of fishes, which help to prevent solid substances from being carried into gill cavities.
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#2248832 - 05/08/08 09:14 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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Haha, El G! I just had to get it out. The biologist in me screams every time I read that statement! Cool Krista, I did not know you were a biologist, where did you get your degree at?
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#2249008 - 05/09/08 04:31 AM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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Well, I was a few hours away from it at UNT before I got my current job, so I will probably finish at SFA.
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#2249381 - 05/09/08 06:57 AM
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Well, I was a few hours away from it at UNT before I got my current job, so I will probably finish at SFA. Hopefully SFA will take the hours you earned at UNT as most schools will only take up to 60 hours of lower level classes and are reluctant to take upper level courses or will only take a few wanting a student complete 30-45 hours at their university. Good luck and I do hope you finish soon.
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#2249998 - 05/09/08 09:59 AM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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the only thing i have seen from holding a carp by the gills is down underneath towards the mouth, the skin will rip real easy but it ain't of no consequence cuz if it's me the carp is fixin' to be cut bait anyways
Edited by albertking (05/09/08 10:01 AM)
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#2250516 - 05/09/08 01:56 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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albertking, i like your sig
you must listen to the "savage nation"
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#2250599 - 05/09/08 02:54 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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usta listen to savage some ... since i moved to post from breckenridge the only way i can listen in is on the net
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#2250609 - 05/09/08 03:00 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
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believe me, it is still a mental disorder
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#2254204 - 05/11/08 11:28 AM
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Try not to gill fish, as it can hurt there gill raker's, Possibly killing the fish.
GG
Ok, you say it every time, and it is time for me to step in. I'm tired of this. Do you know what the gill raker does, gg? Do you know where it is located? By your statement, I don't think you do. The gill raker is actually on the inside of the gill arch and aids in feeding. It is unlikely that you will injure that specific part when you hold a fish up by its "gills". So, you are wrong in that. What could be damaged when people hold fish up by the gills is the gill arch and/or filaments themselves. The filaments are the vital part of the oxygen exchange in the fish. When you have necrotic gills, the oxygen exchange is less efficient. It's sort of like when your lung capacity is decreased due to smoking or whatever (not a shot at the guys that smoke...just an example). Usually people are that are holding the fish up by the "gills" are actually holding the fish up by the operculum, which is the bony plate that covers and protects the gills. I've seen carp with large portions of the gills exposed and they were fine. That being said, I don't condone people holding a fish up by the operculum. It is best for all fish to be held with the body properly supported. I'm not trying to be mean, but if you are going to harp on people every time they hold a fish the "wrong way" (some people have never thought about it), then you need to stop doing it with a faulty statement. So there's your lesson for today, GG. I hope you pay attention. Krista, I believe that Fish can be damaged by people putting fingers through the gill covers! POW ! After all I think the covers are there to protect the very fragile gills! POW! Infarct I think Dustin is at times correct, I do believe He needs more tact in his wording, but He's a young Man. lol
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#2254222 - 05/11/08 11:41 AM
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Try not to gill fish, as it can hurt there gill raker's, Possibly killing the fish.
GG
Ok, you say it every time, and it is time for me to step in. I'm tired of this. Do you know what the gill raker does, gg? Do you know where it is located? By your statement, I don't think you do. The gill raker is actually on the inside of the gill arch and aids in feeding. It is unlikely that you will injure that specific part when you hold a fish up by its "gills". So, you are wrong in that. What could be damaged when people hold fish up by the gills is the gill arch and/or filaments themselves. The filaments are the vital part of the oxygen exchange in the fish. When you have necrotic gills, the oxygen exchange is less efficient. It's sort of like when your lung capacity is decreased due to smoking or whatever (not a shot at the guys that smoke...just an example). Usually people are that are holding the fish up by the "gills" are actually holding the fish up by the operculum, which is the bony plate that covers and protects the gills. I've seen carp with large portions of the gills exposed and they were fine. That being said, I don't condone people holding a fish up by the operculum. It is best for all fish to be held with the body properly supported. I'm not trying to be mean, but if you are going to harp on people every time they hold a fish the "wrong way" (some people have never thought about it), then you need to stop doing it with a faulty statement. So there's your lesson for today, GG. I hope you pay attention. Krista, I believe that Fish can be damaged by people putting fingers through the gill covers! POW ! After all I think the covers are there to protect the very fragile gills! POW! Infarct I think Dustin is at times correct, I do believe He needs more tact in his wording, but He's a young Man. lol After all, the gill plates are there to protect the archs, not to be a built in handle. My 02. GG
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#2254289 - 05/11/08 12:27 PM
Re: A lesson for GG...
[Re: fishlady]
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Usually people are that are holding the fish up by the "gills" are actually holding the fish up by the operculum, which is the bony plate that covers and protects the gills . I've seen carp with large portions of the gills exposed and they were fine.
That being said, I don't condone people holding a fish up by the operculum. It is best for all fish to be held with the body properly supported.
I didn't suggest that they were built in handles. I don't think people should hold them up by the operculum. My statements were in response to GG always saying that it is the gill rakers that are being damaged. There are far more fragile areas in the gills than the rakers themselves.
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