throwing fish back is not what is liberal ... what is liberal though is folks thinking we are on the brink of disaster with our catfish & that certain ones that don't aknowledge this disaster is too stupid & they need to be saved from their own selves by some elite group that has the answers to the problem & any body else's opinions are nothing but dung ... can you say global warming?

the box fish thang is prime example ... you think it's pure stupidity on my part ... & it's all cuz i refuse to cow down to the BS opinions ... now you been repeatin' the same poop every time you post ... matter of fact i can't recall any post of yours that presented any thing but this same kinda stuff ... you just know which side you're on, you just can't tell why?

Let me hear it one more time albert say it ain't so cause you said so,one more time you must have said the same thing 5o times,
IT IS NOT SO BECAUSE ALBERT SAID SO.
Albert if there were one pair of fish left in this world I can guarantee you could come up with a reason that would make it O.K. to eat them suckers.
Johnny

ummmmm ... they taste good?

I really feel like Albert keeps ig fish simply out of spite.

Do you catch enough fish 25#'s and under to keep enough in your freezer? You said you throw a bunch back so I'm assuming the answer is yes.

So why do you keep the big ones? Do you honestly think they taste better? Or is it out of spite? It has to be one of these two reasons.


I do not understand how you can agree genetics play a role in growth speed, max size and other factors yet still argue that genetics do not matter.
A 40# fish is NOT a "pup". Look at the lake records in central Texas. A 60# fish is VERY rare. even 40# fish are relatively rare.

And I can not prove to you God exists. Does that mean everyone should be atheist?


BTW - I still want to know WHO bashes Catfished or Albert for keeping big fish. I'm starting to think it's all in their heads. Every time we discuss genetics they completly freak out and start b1tching like babies because EVERYONE bashes them for keeping fish yet I still never see this happen.

Why do I keep big ones? Well to me it is a waste of meat to keep a Ap under 15 lbs. So yes I do keep the big ones and I get more meat off of them. I will take a Ap up to the biggest I have ever caught over any blue under 10 lbs. Why cause its a AP and it taste damn good. Why cause I caught it and cause I will eat it. Out of spite? Hell no just cause I like to eat Aps 15 lbs +. As far as blues I dont keep many of them unless I am having a fish fry. I prefer them smaller. But will eat one now and then. Out of spite? No cause I do like to eat them too good eatin. But I do eat the smaller onese as well unlike the Ap.

Read your post you question why we eat big fish. But since your a fuzzy bunny hugger you question why we even keep one to eat. Cause you cannot stand that fact you cannot change our ways and never will. I do my part I feel when it comes to conservation. I pay for my license and my taxes. I help pay for the fish to be stocked. And by doing so that gives me the right to harvest from the lake for a nice dinner. Rather that be small ones if that is all I catch or a biggun. I dont doubt genetics. My family owns a highfence ranch and make money off of producing trophy bucks. And the select few live like a king with about 30 doe to court and mate with for a couple of years. But once they past their prime well then it is their time to go.

I believe by me taking a fish that has lived for x amount of years it has done its part by spreading genes. If you want to talk about conservation instead of releasing all the bigguns why not just lower the limit so some of these smaller fish have a chance to prove they have the gene? We can look at it both ways. I dont believe I have cried about anything. If your going to try and post to bring the facts. Look at the state records they go back to 1937. Seems all the catfish records are recent generation. Wonder how that can be. 40-60 lb fish are not rare up here where I fish. I post pics all the time. And I release most of them. But when I say most that bothers all the fuzzy bunny huggers like you lol cause you cannot stand it. Same song different verse. Most of the time people complaining about me keeping just one or two bigguns are the ones who say bigguns are rare. But yet me and others on this forum dont have a problem finding them on a regular basis. Keep the only one crying seems to be you cause you cannot seem to get your facts straight. I dont see how me and others taking a few bigguns and releasing the others hurts the gene pool. People dont think about the other factors.

How many fish you think survive after being caught. The stress and sometimes infection gets them after a release. Then its just wasted. Oh but I guess that is ok right? Look at Splash when they did research into why she died they found it was due to an infection from the hook. Hmmmm now that is interesting isn't it. She was held in captivity for awhile before this even happened too. Magine that. I see genetics play an important part. I have never disputed that. I dispute fuzzy bunny huggers who think its the end of the world if ya keep a few and release the rest. Cause from your post up above whack your one of those whacks who likes to be a hugger and tugger and your so crossed you only see one way.

Danny the funny thing is that the big aps your catching and keeping are the same fish that thrash the fish some of the other guys are trying to catch to fit in their small boxes. Hell, they should pay you to rid the lake so they could have more "box" fish.
I know of several larger private lakes that I used to deliver forage fish that had a trotline season. They had a bounty on flatheads of $2 a lb. THe fish were donated at one of the places and used for a fish fry to raise money for their small fire dept. The fact is that when catfish get big they still eat and their diet is other fish. They must be controlled. That's why Gibbons creek flopped. They had a 16 lb bass caught within a few years of opening. Then the high and mighty bass fishermen got the TMPA to stop all line fishing because it interfered with their fishing. Guess what....??? the bass fishing has fallen apart in that lake. I know some outlaws that trotline it once a year during the week. Last year they got 7 fish over 35 lbs on two 25 hook lines in two nights. The lake is out of balance.
Don't think for a second that big blues won't eat other catfish. I've caught them on mudcats in the Trinity several times.

If you keep a large fish then you have no respect for nature.

If you set tight limits then you will have too many small fish competing for food. That will screw everything up. Are you just playing dumb or what?

And I'm sure a bunch of other rednecks use the excuse that since Splash died after being caught, that proves you better keep ALL fish or else you will "waste" them.

This thread has nothing to do with waste. It has nothing to do with you or Albert keeping a few big fish.

Did you hear that?

This thread has nothing to do with waste. It has nothing to do with you or Albert keeping a few big fish.


Did you understand that?

This thread has nothing to do with waste. It has nothing to do with you or Albert keeping a few big fish.


It is supposed to be a discussion on genetics.

And yes, I am a member of PETA. I do not cut my grass because every living thing deserves a chance to live within nature. Humans should not be part of nature. And I do love bunnies also.
Maybe you kill because you lack something or you feel like you have to be better than something.


And yes that last pharagraph was BS. I told you 10 times all ready I keep a big flat once in a while. But big here is 25-30lbs. And it is not because I suck. I got the blue cat Travis record, just got beat on the Travis Flat record.

see i knew you was runnin' your arguments off of feelings & emotions



catfishd did a fine job with the rest of your post ... although i will add that you are in denial about the amount of big fish today ... & BTW if flats & blues have the potential to get to 100# or bigger, then a 40# cat is just a pup ... & further more if that 40 lb'er has maxed put in weight then it must be a midget & needs to be removed from the gene pool ... why would you want a lake full of 40# lb fish when the same fish are known to get 2 to three times that size? ... this kinda thinking could really hurt the average size of catfish down the road

whack you have never actually tried to discuss any of this ... i started this thread for that & only a couple of fellas have replied with a sensible reply ... you & the rest keep coming in with this third grader BS but i guess that's all you can do cuz you have nothing more to say or add to the worn out arguments that you have awready stated

Albert now there is a post loaded with good data?????
Johnny

I want everyone to say this phase in the most redneck hillbilly voice they can....

"I can keep um, cause tha law says I can, and they taste guud"


Albert - there are NO 100 lbers left to breed in most lakes. You keep repeating that cr@p saying a 40 lber is a pup Blah Blah, but if thats the majority of what big ones are left then thats EXACTLY what you need to leave alone to breed.

Yes some lakes have a few 100 pounders hiding, and most lakes have a few between 70-90 but those fish are by far the minority breeders, if they still breed being as old as they are.

And please do not bother asking for proof LOL. I know in your mind the bottom of the lake is covered in HUGE fish that multiply like those fuzzy creatures, critters.

you can't respond to any thing i have actually said & refute it can ya? ... when you do respond you don't reply my actual words ... i take your posts, break it down & respond to each point ... you can't do that with mine ... wonder why

Wouldn't it be great if everyone that has posted on this site could contact TPWD, set up a "Town Hall hearing" with someone from TPWD fish department, and ask questions so everyone got the same answers from a professional authority. I for one would like to be there for that.

If you can tell me the way to properly age a fish and let me know when an adult has reached his peak weight I will be glad to listen to your argument.

This is my view on the subject. Big fish must be harvested to or you get an aging populations and too many big fish. Too many big fish can reak havok on all the other fish populations in the lake. Also once a fish reaches 40lbs it is several years old, they dont get that big overnight, do yall disagree? So it isnt like we arent giving them a chance to spawn, they have been doing it for years, and their genes have already been passed on and spread through the lake, and chances are some of thier offspring are already passing on their genes. You cant keep all the big fish but within reason I think it is AOK JMHO.

matt

I have stayed out of this till now but I am tired of seeing this same crapp by the same people. For some reason this quote from Smokey and the Bandit keeps poping into my head and I just cant help myself. Burt Reynolds used a CB but I think it will work just the same on the internet.

"Albertking do the letters FO mean anything to you"

WOW, I think that pretty much says it all.Point blank.
I think its time to drop this old tired subject and everyone abide by the law and follow your own ideas. It is quite obvious who stands where.
The funny thing about bashing Mr. Albert is he doesn't even fish much anymore.

ALL RISE!!!!!!



yeah same crapp by the same people ... who made you click on it? ... or maybe i should feel honered that some body of your stature would even come on my thread & tell me to FO ...

i cleaned one fish in 07 over 15#

Sorry Albertking but I just could not help myself, but seriously you sound like a broken record.

i personally release all blues over 15 lbs unless i mess up and let them swallow the hook. I dont catch many yellas, just a few here and there, but i release them over 15 in the lake. In the small creek where i am from, we keep all legal yella cats cuz we bass fish there.
When we want to clean out a stock tank we put one big yella in there. The next year all we can find in that tank is usually a bunch of minnows and one even bigger yella.
I think that the choice to keep or release a big fish is up to the fisherman.
with that being said, i also believe it is wrong to overharvest big fish. Lake waco is fished really hard from the bank, i have seen BANK fishermen clean out a hole of fish in 2 weeks and catch and keep more than 50 fish over 15lbs in that time. This cannot be good for the population of the larger fish that lay more eggs and have better genetics.

also, i like to think the ammount of fish in any lake for most any species is like a pyramid. much more juveniles and small fish and just a few big ones.

never said that ... you gotta make up crapp just to have a come back

& the CPR snobs are sayin' something new? ... kinda like one skunk tellin' a nuthern he stinks ... but ya'll are elitists, nothin else matters