kinda gettin' carried away there ain't ya MT ... folks take that many pounds of catfish with rod & reel daily ... just ask the guides ... kinda strainin' at a gnat & swallowin' a camel

Albert;

I'd like to see someone that can pull 100 pounds per day consistantly....

BTW, I've been posting my pics, where's yours?

yeah but do ya know what kinda fish they are in those pics


you sure are quick to judge a situation .. i know folks that can only get in 2 or 3 fihin' trips a year ... if they set out 50 jugs it ain't got nuttin' at all to do with greed or being a poacher & it sure ain't like they do it every weekend ... they just need to make that trip count cuz they may not get back to the lake for another 6-8 months ... some folks can take an isolated situation & make it sound like it's the norm ... i bet these jugs are not there like this very often

are you really that naive?

It doesn't strike you as a little odd that the same problem is being reported at TWO different lakes on the same weekend?

The fact that it is being reported at two different lakes is what leads me to think it's poachers rather than an isolated incident.

yep you're right ... conspiracy

Well, I went out fishing Lewisville today 4/21 and the jugs/noodles were gone. At some level, this isn't even about whether there's a law that says such-and-so ... it's about having some decency and common courtesy towards everyone who shares that lake with you. Very hard to legislate courtesy.

A reasonable person would look at the dam cut & think "Here's the only place that people can go through this part of the dam. Probably not a good idea to make it any more hazardous by putting my jugs in it". That's all - I'm done on this subject unless it happens again.

I PERSONALLY RUN 7 JUGS AND A TROT LINE.THAT IS ALL I WANT. ON A GOOD DAY THAT SHOULD CATCH ANY MANS LIMIT OF FISH. RUNNIN JUGS IS A BLAST, RUNNINN 40 JUGS I THINK THAT WOULD SUCK.I WOULD THINK HE WOULD HAVE MORE LUCK SETTING THEM OUT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON THE LAKE THAN IN ONE BOAT LANE . THATS JUST ME .

Lets not go there on the pic thing Michial cause I am still laughing at that one. As far as pounds per day is alot easier then you think. I have posted pics proving this. And there are many catfisherman out there better then me that can do it as well consitantly. As far as jugs go I dont care how they use or have out as long as they are legal. If they are not white they are not legal. And cannot believe the GW is not aware of that it states it in the regulations lol. 60-100 jugs single hook jugs is no different then 2 50 hook trotlines. Other then one is on the surface the other is below the surface.

1 person 100 pounds per day, that means 25 fish averaging 4 pounds each.

Not a boatload of people pulling 200 1 pound fish...

how many times have you went out and pulled 25 4 pound fish BY YOUR SELF?

I'll just call them cats and let you be the expert on the exact species....

I was out today with rookie07 and they where all gone except I did see two green ones, I did not check them because we where in some pretty big swells... Just not safe not knowing what is on the other end as far as hooks and weights and on a rollin boat...


and with that... I am done with this topic!

I occassionally fish 1/2 a dozen jugs from a canoe so I'm not opposed to jugs. Regardless of legally set, if they are interfering to the point of restricting access to other fisherman, would they not violate the Sportman's Rights Act of 1997?

my better judgement tells me that when we run our 50 or 60 single hook jugs, we find our jugs take the fish off throw back the bigger ones and still keep 50 smaller ones....my judgement is not in question, we police up the area and take all the jugs back home(150 miles most trips)Question that

You make a good point, But I'd hate to think we've gotten to a point where we would use the sportsmen's act to pit anglers against anglers. that law was passed to keep the tree-huggin'
enviro-terrorists from disrupting hunts & otherwise accosting
sportsmen/women
-Brian

MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE ON JUGS IS............... our own personal preference is BS if we want to force it on somebody else or if we think it it more noble than somebody else

Zeek, you got it in a nutshell. secondly, it appears the attention we all gave this subject WORKED, albeit a little late in coming.
With that, I am done as well
tight lines & see y'all on the water
-Brian

I had not thought of that, good point.

About three years ago I heard about a couple of jet skiers that were cited under provision C of the Act.

(c) No person may intentionally interfere with another person lawfully engaged in the process of hunting or catching wildlife.

A couple of fisherman complained to the local sheriff that based upon the fact that the jet skiers were treating his jugs as a slalom course that they were "intentionally interfering". Not only did the Sheriff agree, but so did the judge. He even squashed their "we aren't tree-huggers defense" when he noted that the law doesn't require proof of purpose, only proof of interference.

I tried googling to find out the exact lake, but couldn't find it. However, I did find a case near Waco where a landowner was told he had to keep his kids quiet and no four-wheelers during deer season. Seems the adjoining property is leased for hunting and his kids activities were scaring off the deer. Wonder how many other cases where NON "tree-huggers" have been cited.

Hey MC, Not to thread-jack, but the incident down south indeed
DID involve an "eco-sensitive" family that ran their atv's,
loosed their dogs, and generally disrupted the normal flow of wildlife every time a hunting party arrived at the adjacent hunting lease property.
prosecution under SRA-1997 was warranted in that incident.
just an FYI
tight lines
-Brian

so are you saying that if the jugs are lawful that since they were there first the boaters just need to find some place else to boat?

Thanks for the FYI...the article didn't mention that tidbit. Only the initial ruling and that it would be appealed on property rights.

Only saying that regardless of whether jugs are in complete compliance and legal, that there may be other applicable laws that might be violated. In this particular case, if those jugs are truly INTERFERING with other sportmen's right to fish, then the Sportsman's Act under the right law enforcement and judicial conditions might be used. If so, then there may be a tool to regulate "how and where" one places their jugs.

The Sportmen's Act may have been created because of eco-group interference, however the wording (at least from what I've seen) doesn't mention a prerequisite for WHO is doing the interfering nor WHY. Therefore, interference by another sportsman is not excluded. If the courts exhibit a trend to focus on the "interference", one could easily make a case (success questionable) that if a Bass fisherman sabotages another fisherman's jugs he is interfering with the "jugger's" rights. Is there a difference between an eco-group or a bass fisherman sabotaging a person's jugs? I would tend to say that to the jug fisherman there is not a difference, he has been interfered with. The eco-group and bass fisherman dislike the jugs for different reasons. Likewise, if a jugger is placing his equipment so numerous or so close that he has "erected a floating fence", it could be argued the result is the same, interference. All hypothetical until somebody decides to try and set precedence.

In the same manner there are laws against interfering with Navigation on water ways too, but to my knowledge they have never been enforced on Lakes. Mainly rivers and such.

FYI - many jugs were at Lewisville yesterday (4/22) afternoon/evening in the Hackberry area. I stop counting at 40 and estimate about a third more (conservative). The placement didn't bother me although I didn't think it appropiate.

What did bother me was it was unlawful. Why? Although some were orange, some white, by far most were green and other colors - that is not lawful no matter if you or personally or commercially fishing. Unlawful is unlawful - it is that simple. The GWs have a nice boat (thanks Katrina) - I wish they would use it more often.

We went and fished the Hidden Cove area for awhile and then as we headed to the 121 cut we saw a pontoon checking a jug. I don't know if he is the jugger or not. I don't know about today. I wasn't on the water.