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#2193516 - 04/21/08 06:19 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: mattman]
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Angler
Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 330
Loc: Richardson
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Hi Matt,
Good question. Give me a few minutes and I'll post a couple of mounting pictures.
Harvey
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#2193662 - 04/21/08 06:45 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: mattman]
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Angler
Registered: 08/25/07
Posts: 408
Loc: New Braunfels, Tx
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As for the original question, go with Lowrance unless you want the sidefinder. The sonar clarity, and gps simplicity as well as map speed is really slanted in the favor of Lowrance. BUT the side finding tech is awesome for those willing to put in the time to figure it out.
I agree with mattman on this. Lowrance also has their version of the SI coming out in 09'.
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#2193674 - 04/21/08 06:47 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: mattman]
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Angler
Registered: 09/05/05
Posts: 330
Loc: Richardson
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Hi Matt, As promised (since others are probably curious as well), here are some mounting pictures. Basically, I was careful to mount the transducer so it meets the hull at the exact midpoint of the transducer. Also note that it has a (very slight) downward tilt, per the manual, which helps prevents cavitation (I believe) just in front of the transducer. Left view - close up Left view - wide view The transducer sits on the right-hand side of the pad, near the edge of the step. Right hand view Note the jack plate. I think the six-inch offset I get from the jack plate makes an enormous difference in the amount of turbulent flow seen by the transducer, since it backs the prop that much further away. Close-up of mounting underneath console. I included this picture because I think for large units (including the large Lowrance units), the recommended mounting hardward is totally inadequate. Typically, you're supplied some stainless steel wood screws and expected to mount the unit with them. Don't do it! Particularly if you use a configurable mount, such as the Ram-100U that I use, you need a MUCH more substantial mount. I used stainless bolts with aircraft-style teflon locking nuts. This is a mounting arrangement that will hold up under vibration.  Hope the pictures are useful to you. Harv
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#2193965 - 04/21/08 07:51 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: mattman]
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Pro Angler
Registered: 01/28/08
Posts: 593
Loc: Pleasanton Tx
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I have one and I am not getting anything at speeds. So I dont know what those guys are talking about.
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#2193984 - 04/21/08 07:56 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: jbguide]
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TFF Guru
Registered: 02/25/03
Posts: 21762
Loc: Fate, TX
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I have one and I am not getting anything at speeds. So I dont know what those guys are talking about. if your transdcuer is mounted so it comes out of the water on plane... you wont see anything. two options. mount a thruhull transducer, or run an A-B switch with a puck style epoxied in the hull.... you can flip the dash mounted switch and Voila...
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#2193996 - 04/21/08 08:00 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: SkeeterRonnie]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 07/30/04
Posts: 1236
Loc: Lake Amistad
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Dont even need a switch .Humminbird make a y cable, 1 end to si transducer, and the other to a puck in the hull, for depth at speed ,and 2-d. Works automatically. I have it in my boat works great.
Edited by jvon (04/21/08 08:01 PM)
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#2194043 - 04/21/08 08:22 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: jvon]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 157
Loc: San Antonio, Tx
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Wow Ronnie, at first I just thought you were a bit egotistical. I had no idea you were a complete @$$. You don't have a clue if you are saying the hbird map is faster on the update than the lowrance. I guess next you will be saying that the GPS on the bird puts the Garmin Gps to shame as well. Not sure why you are so pom pom happy about the bird, but a little objectivity to peoples serious questions would go a long way. Also, maybe you should re read my earlier post. I referenced a 2nd transducer so you you can see the regular sonar view on plane. THX to jvan and harv for some ligit info...
Like any tool, both types of units have their place.
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#2194258 - 04/22/08 02:56 AM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: SkeeterRonnie]
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TFF Team Angler
Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 3629
Loc: Denton
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As for the original question, go with Lowrance unless you want the sidefinder. The sonar clarity, and gps simplicity as well as map speed is really slanted in the favor of Lowrance. BUT the side finding tech is awesome for those willing to put in the time to figure it out. Also, with the SI yu have to run a 2nd transducer if you want any readings on your sonar while you are running.
i can see that you really know your stuff  Glad you set me staight  LOL!!!! 1.)the GPS is soooo much easier to read on the Humminbird with the birds eye view..... 2.) map speed of humminbird is twice that of Lowrance..... 3.)a few hours of viewing the side imaging and its pretty plain and simple to see objects on a screen.... 4.) you can runa thruhull transducer if you really want to see images or run conventional sonar on plane..... so yeah.... you really showed me BTW!- heres your post asking for help on these units not too long ago... http://texasfishingforum.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2102929/fpart/1and for you Keenen... Stay ouuta my boat! last time you were in it, you ate all my powdered donuts!! hehe!!! when you coming over to Ray hubbard? I promise not to hook you in the chin!! I still have the powdered sugar all over my tackle and clothes... 
Edited by Mike Keenan (04/22/08 02:56 AM)
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#2194375 - 04/22/08 04:46 AM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: Mrppl2]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 65
Loc: azle texas
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My transducer is mounted on the transom step (ranger) just slightly right of center. It performs very well and only loses signal sporadically in rough water same as any other outside the hull transducer.
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#2194522 - 04/22/08 05:50 AM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: ranger steve]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 09/25/06
Posts: 1020
Loc: Murphy, TX
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I mounted my transducer right under my jack plate. I don't want it flipping up every time I run across a stump. I use a second transducer with a switch (before the Y cable was available). It is really simple to switch transducers. I usually leave it on the ducer inside the hull unless I need the SI.
I know the Lowrance may have a little better 2d resolution, but who cares? They both distinctly show fish and the SI cant be beat.
If you run a split screen with traditional 2d and SI, you will see what is really down there.
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#2194797 - 04/22/08 07:32 AM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: LoneStarChamp]
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Extreme Angler
Registered: 09/25/06
Posts: 1020
Loc: Murphy, TX
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if you mount the transducer sideways can you see in front and behind the boat with si?????? In theory yes, but you have to have a clear view from the transducer. The motor would be in they way and possibly the front of the boat.
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#2196521 - 04/22/08 03:54 PM
Re: Humming Bird SI/ Lowrance 25c
[Re: Tracker Tim]
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Outdoorsman
Registered: 08/14/07
Posts: 157
Loc: San Antonio, Tx
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Wow again Ronnie. Thanks for proving my point. and as far as my previous post goes, when you don't know something, a normal person finds answers. Not only did I ask here, I also got to speak to some real experts from Humminbird(as opposed to web superstars) as well as several pros I have access to thanks to my "part time gig", and got as much info as possible. Why are you so bitter?
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