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#2123721 - 03/31/08 11:42 AM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: TEXAS TWO GUNS]
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It still escapes me how setting a maxim size/bag limit relates to bowfishing? No where dose it mention that your activities as bowfisherman should be curtailed. It simples says that you can harvest only one fish per day that is over 33” do you know that 33” is more then 75% the length of the current world record? That is a massive fish.
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#2123761 - 03/31/08 11:56 AM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: LoneStarCarper]
DHFisher Offline
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 Originally Posted By: LoneStarCarper
It still escapes me how setting a maxim size/bag limit relates to bowfishing? No where dose it mention that your activities as bowfisherman should be curtailed. It simples says that you can harvest only one fish per day that is over 33” do you know that 33” is more then 75% the length of the current world record? That is a massive fish.


I agree. After reading a good deal about this, I've come to the conclusion that most bowfishermen believe that letting the big fish live will promote the spawing of these larger carp and they will lay thousands more eggs than the smaller carp. Therefore creating an overpopulation of small carp.

Now call me silly but I would wager that a smaller carp, let's say under 33 inches will lay just as many eggs, if not more, than a carp over 33 inches. So where is the arguement in that?

This is what escapes me... bowfishing is next to impossible on LBL given the restrictions anyway so what's the big fuss? Oh yes... the big fuss is that this will eventually lead to restrictions on other lakes and so on. Wouldn't this ensure that in the future their kids and our kids alike will be able to pursue the fish of a lifetime?



Edited by LoneStarCarper (03/31/08 12:06 PM)
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#2123814 - 03/31/08 12:07 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: DHFisher]
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sorry about the edits guys call me if you have questions.
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#2123849 - 03/31/08 12:13 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: LoneStarCarper]
DHFisher Offline
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Right on, that was probably out of line. I know I'm just tired of reading about all this stuff.
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#2123989 - 03/31/08 12:48 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: DHFisher]
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"....Wouldn't this ensure that in the future their kids and our kids alike will be able to pursue the fish of a lifetime?"


Pursue in who's way?

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#2124015 - 03/31/08 12:58 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: TEXAS TWO GUNS]
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 Originally Posted By: TEXAS TWO GUNS
"....Wouldn't this ensure that in the future their kids and our kids alike will be able to pursue the fish of a lifetime?"


Pursue in who's way?


By whatever legal means. I'm not against b'fishing, but I'm not for it either. Protecting the trophy fish for future generations IS a goal however.
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#2124110 - 03/31/08 01:19 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: DHFisher]
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How many lakes have bowfisherman wiped out?
Do you really think total eradication is our goal?
What would we do then?

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#2124163 - 03/31/08 01:36 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: TEXAS TWO GUNS]
DHFisher Offline
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 Originally Posted By: TEXAS TWO GUNS
How many lakes have bowfisherman wiped out?
Do you really think total eradication is our goal?
What would we do then?


Precisely! So why do you think this size restriction is all about bowfishing? No one ever said it was! I for one don't think you guys can harm a fishery but I like the idea of protecting the big ones or at least limit the number of big ones that can be taken by anyone by whatever means whether it's the old man sitting at the dock or someone who chooses to hunt with an arrow!
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#2124314 - 03/31/08 02:19 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: DHFisher]
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I have to say I'm really enjoying this..

My Advice..don't waste your time debating the B/Fers. Been there.. done that. Just keep doing what you/we have done to get to this point. More state Fisheries are going to take notice of TX lead role and start doing the same. Won't happen over night, but it is going to happen!!

Keep the positives of carp anglings momentum going and enjoy the ride everyone.
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#2124323 - 03/31/08 02:21 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: okiecarpangler]
DHFisher Offline
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 Originally Posted By: okiecarpangler
I have to say I'm really enjoying this..

My Advice..don't waste your time debating the B/Fers. Been there.. done that. Just keep doing what you/we have done to get to this point. More state Fisheries are going to take notice of TX lead role and start doing the same. Won't happen over night, but it is going to happen!!

Keep the positives of carp anglings momentum going and enjoy the ride everyone.


I agree. I'm going fishing!
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#2124336 - 03/31/08 02:25 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: DHFisher]
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So your saying that this ruling with give you fodder
to make the same rules on other lakes in Texas and
through out the United states?

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#2124340 - 03/31/08 02:27 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: DHFisher]
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Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 65
Loc: San Antonio
 Originally Posted By: DHFisher


I agree. After reading a good deal about this, I've come to the conclusion that most bowfishermen believe that letting the big fish live will promote the spawing of these larger carp and they will lay thousands more eggs than the smaller carp. Therefore creating an overpopulation of small carp.

Now call me silly but I would wager that a smaller carp, let's say under 33 inches will lay just as many eggs, if not more, than a carp over 33 inches. So where is the arguement in that?





GRANDMAW CARP is not efficient in pooting out babies..one reason trout hatcherys use smaller than what you would think as brood stock...hence more bigfish = less fry...to harvest the biggest of anyfish population in not self sustaining and genetically foolhardy


 Originally Posted By: Brewboy

You kill the fish but don't want to clean them. So please tell me what you do with the fish you don't want to clean.


I have a newspaper piece from Missippissi some where.....


Edited by MoCarp (03/31/08 02:29 PM)
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#2124343 - 03/31/08 02:28 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: TEXAS TWO GUNS]
DHFisher Offline
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No idea what tpwd has in mind, ask them.
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#2124351 - 03/31/08 02:30 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: TEXAS TWO GUNS]
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Registered: 12/18/05
Posts: 2095
Loc: Hurst, Texas
Once you are proven wrong that the the carp don't destroy the Lady Bird Fishery nor the vegetation, nor the water clarity then.......Hell Yes, we've set the precident and proven it beyond any the propiganda you boys spew.

No doubt others will view the success of this measure and follow suit.
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#2124369 - 03/31/08 02:34 PM Re: WOW we have a Trophy Carp Fishery! (I think) [Re: Brewboy]
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Let's take this section back to talk about fishing. I think everyone has read enough of the carp wars to make their eyeballs pop out.
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