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#2079051 - 03/17/08 04:15 AM Advice on cottonmouth infested pond...
BrentMeister Online   content
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Registered: 09/07/07
Posts: 612
Loc: Rockwall County, Texas
I have a pond that is loaded with nice bass, but is equally loaded with large cottonmouth water moccasins. I've tried all the same snake control measures that cleared our other ponds (increasing activity around the bank, mowing close to the water on a regular basis)and nothing seems to work. I damn near got bit on Sunday morning by a bastard lurking in the four inches of grass remaining at the edge of the bank.

Are there any snake control methods other than shooting them? Do they have any natural predators that I could introduce?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Brent
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#2079075 - 03/17/08 04:42 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: BrentMeister]
Mr Pro Craft 210 Offline
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Registered: 07/27/03
Posts: 2971
Loc: Caddo Mills
Maybe hawks and owls would eat them. ??
Other then keeping the grass cut low and killing them when you can I cannot think of anything. I know that my dad use to put out moth balls to keep snakes from getting under the house growing up. Not sure what that would do to your pond, but I would think it would keep the snakes out of a specific grassy area.
As kids we use to get in a small 8ft john and just row around the ponds looking for the suckers. they would not know what to do when approached from the water side a lot of times. then we would just smoke them with a 410.

Good Luck...I hate snakes.
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#2079189 - 03/17/08 05:56 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Mr Pro Craft 210]
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Loc: Arlington, TX
Yep....bang-bang-bang!
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#2079315 - 03/17/08 06:40 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: BBrown]
Meadowlark Offline
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Registered: 11/04/04
Posts: 940
Loc: East Texas
Try fish traps, especially those designed for trapping BG. The traps will get a small fish and then the snake will go into the trap to catch the fish and will drown. I removed 11 dead snakes from one pond last year with this method and haven't seen one since. The traps will work when you can't.
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#2079434 - 03/17/08 07:17 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Meadowlark]
onlylittlefish Offline
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Registered: 07/18/07
Posts: 237
Yes, the fish trap method is a great way to get rid of cottonmouths (Water Moccasin). You can also put fish heads. The mesh will have to be small enough that the snakes cannot get through the mesh. Make sure the top of th trap is below the water or you will have to deal with the like snakes. Good luck and let us know if you are successful.
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#2079444 - 03/17/08 07:19 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Meadowlark]
Mason Offline
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Registered: 08/14/07
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Loc: Carrollton
Yea meadowlarks suggestion works really well. Catches the smaller ones, too.

You could always get rid of those green fish they are eating and put some carp in there!
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#2079642 - 03/17/08 08:31 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Mason]
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Registered: 04/26/02
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Its about this time of year when they get real aggressive.

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#2080407 - 03/17/08 12:19 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: roadtrip]
Dave Davidson Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 129
Loc: Bowie, Texas
The only predator I know of, other than you, is big fish or gators.

I've caught quite a few with traps but I like larger traps. When the fish get in the trap, the snake goes in to get them. They will drown. However, if they are still alive, just toss the trap back in the water and come back in a couple of hours.

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#2096119 - 03/22/08 12:53 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Dave Davidson]
big_country1488 Offline
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Registered: 01/28/08
Posts: 285
Loc: Porter, TX
.410, 12 gauge, whatever other caliber u may feel like usin. or try a shovel to chop em up.

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#2096222 - 03/22/08 05:09 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: big_country1488]
Dave Davidson Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 129
Loc: Bowie, Texas
22 pistol with rat shot works pretty well.

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#2116158 - 03/28/08 09:03 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Dave Davidson]
AggieSpirit Offline
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Registered: 03/30/04
Posts: 72
Loc: Arlington, Tx
I think people should try to learn to identify between a moccasin/cottonmouth and other harmless water snakes.

I do not think it is a good idea to purge all snakes from a pond. A few snakes are a good thing, as they help keep the pond free of dying or sick fish.

That being said, if I see a moccasin, I will shoot it on site.

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#2118049 - 03/29/08 03:41 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: AggieSpirit]
Dave Davidson Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 129
Loc: Bowie, Texas
Gotta agree. I don't like to kill anything that I'm not going to eat or is not a problem.

Very few snakes are poisonous. My problem is that they can make me hurt myself.

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#2136061 - 04/03/08 12:07 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Dave Davidson]
B.payne Offline
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Registered: 01/12/08
Posts: 261
Loc: Dallas Tx.
i can get rid of them for ya! 3 dollars a snake.
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#2136940 - 04/03/08 03:33 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: B.payne]
SheldonS Offline
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Registered: 10/19/04
Posts: 2200
Loc: Bedford, TX
Post a couple of pics of the snake if possible for ID.

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#2137693 - 04/03/08 07:19 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: SheldonS]
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Registered: 09/20/06
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Loc: Belton
Once you get rid of the BIG snakes the bass will help thin any small ones left. I have been fishing a 12+ac. tank for 5 years and only saw 1 snake. He would NOT spook into the water. This lake had too many bass in it and they would eat anything moving on the suface. I like to throw a big 10" worm no weight and swim in back sometimes about 1/2 way. Big bass love to eat snakes.

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#2138004 - 04/03/08 08:32 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: deckhand*]
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Registered: 03/13/07
Posts: 567
Loc: Grand Prairie, Texas
Snapping turtles are a cottonmouth snake predator.

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#2140494 - 04/04/08 02:23 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: CatfishMike]
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Registered: 02/11/07
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Loc: San Antonio
.22 long rifle. one shot one kill

plus it is fun and good target practice
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#2140576 - 04/04/08 02:48 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Big Ted]
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 161
Loc: waco tx
If the pond is loaded w/big bass,I will personally come stay at the pond until I kill all the snakes.

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#2375069 - 06/17/08 12:39 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: wacopops]
Ordie Offline
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Registered: 06/11/08
Posts: 57
Loc: Little Elm, TX
I'm telling you, 410 slug, I had one when I was a kid, called a snake charmer and it worked like a champ. You are going to have to work real hard to kill them all and I think killing them all is all but impossible. I don’t even look to see which are cotton mouths and which are just water snakes. To me the only good snake is a dead snake! Of course once you've been bitten you can be on the "kill them all" side. Poisonous or not a snake bite hurts!

Steve
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#2375077 - 06/17/08 12:44 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Ordie]
txmudbug Offline
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Registered: 03/26/04
Posts: 67
Loc: Houston
In my experience, the majority of snakes in bass ponds (as opposed to shallow wetlands) are diamoned back water snakes. They look mean and will bite but are not poisoneous. Likely that may be what they are although I realize that most assume the worst and shoot. The one good thing about this snake is they primarily eat mud cats if they are in the lake.

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#2375907 - 06/17/08 05:34 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: txmudbug]
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Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 2964
Loc: Arlington, TX
Yep, 22 long rifle loaded with rat shot. Works every time.
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#2391841 - 06/23/08 09:50 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: BBrown]
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Registered: 05/13/08
Posts: 2330
Loc: McKinney, TX
Not sure what a cotton mouth or water moccasin is but I'm pretty sure that if a snake doesn't have a rattle it is a cobra and must be dealt with accordingly. From what I learned in the OT, they best practice is to pee on them or blow them up.

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#2391925 - 06/23/08 10:08 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: huntnfishtx]
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#2392044 - 06/23/08 10:50 AM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: huntnfishtx]
Meadowlark Offline
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Registered: 11/04/04
Posts: 940
Loc: East Texas
Originally Posted By: huntnfishtx
...best practice is to pee on them or blow them up.

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Better make sure of your range when peeing...that's a mistake made only once. smile
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#2392966 - 06/23/08 04:26 PM Re: Advice on cottonmouth infested pond... [Re: Meadowlark]
ktom03 Offline
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Registered: 07/18/06
Posts: 32
Loc: texas
Get a few pig's to clean out the snake's, then you will have bacon to eat.

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