That's the best way to get to Tyler from here.

Hawaii has forever maintained that they did not get their due because most of the writers are asleep before kickoff time in the islands.

I long felt they were entertaining, but not big enough and talented enough to win with regularity in one of the good conferences. Don't get me wrong...they can beat anyone, especially at home when visiting team get caught up with visiting and not playing the game.

This game tonight seems to prove me correct.

Haha...just as I read PH's post, the commercial for the WAC came on.

24-3 at the half tells the story...

I have zero problems with a three loss team getting hot and winning the championship. That possibility would take away the lunancy of scheduling that the bcs is now supporting. My own Jayhawks have scheduled the little sisters of the poor for OOC. The result...a bcs game and millions of dollars.

People have criticized HCMM for his schedule. He is being paid to win, and to get the Hawks into bowl games. He has done that. People say we should schedule at least one quality team in the OOC...under the current rules why would anyone do that?
Especially a team like KANSAS that is trying to climb out the doldrums.

We won a national championship in basketball in 1988 as a six seed....that is a middle seed in the tournament of 64. The world did not end. Kansas beat the presumptive favorite Oklahoma Sooners 83-79. It was OK...and it would be OK in football.

The one downside I see is that you would have college games that would mean nothing like dallas this past weekend. You would have questions as to whether to play the starters etc. That i would not like.

Hawaii came back from 21 points down against Washington..

but UGA is on a mission.. it's their game today.

I'm not saying Hawaii can't rally.. but they sure need to learn to pick up the Blitz before that can happen. Brennan won't last 4 Quarters judging from the pounding he's already taken the first half.

Bazz

The UGa offensive and defensive lines are winning this game. Too big, too strong, too talented. They have been getting good pressure on Colt rushing three or four. It is like men vs boys out there.

I think this year is the best example of why a playoff is needed. No one team was dominant this year, excluding Hawaii and its schedule. The way UT played against ASU leaves me thinking and wondering how they might have fared in a playoff. But, to your point Pilotman, I don't think UT would have made a 16 team playoff this year because of its poor play in key games. I think that would cut down on what concerns you. I also think a playoff system would allow the non-BCS conference teams a legitimate chance at a National Championship. As it stands now, they have no chance.

PH, I'm not saying a 3 loss team getting hot and ending up on top is neccessarily a bad thing. The playoff system works in hs and in the nfl, so it would make sense in cfb.

Sometimes, scheduling a *soft* team can come back to get you. Overall, it's the way to go for teams trying to move up. Missouri has done it in the past, too.

I also agree that it would be a bad thing if there were "meaningless" games, the debate about sitting players would come up. I hate that in the nfl.


Bazz, Hawaii *could* come back, but UGA is set on keeping Brennan shut down. At least it would make for an interesting game if Hawaii got back in it.

You can't put 8 teams in a bracket without hosing alot of other legit teams.

So what did it solve this year.

Austin....Don't misunderstand me...I favor some kind of playoff system. What we have now is not fair, but it better than the beauty contest we had for years. Big Ten and Pac Ten schools were crowned champions when they would not have fared well in some of the more competitive conferences.

I think a playoff would be great. I don't like the fact that the current system punishes teams for early losses. In college hoops, early losses are much less of an impact provided you have quality wins on your resume. College hoops allows a team to actually increase their strength of schedule with a quality loss. In football, such a loss is fatal.

This year LSU and OSU are gonna play for the championship. To my mind, it would be a fool that would take either of those teams against Misery, USC or OU, and I am not sure about Oregon as well.

It gives more teams a chance than the bcs does.

I didn't think you were opposed to a playoff Pilotman, but I think the system actually punishes teams for late losses versus early ones. At least with early ones, the team can come back and wait for the rest of the teams to lose and leap frog them. Nevertheless, I think the system is ridiculous, and who cares who won the Konica Minolta Bowl? I think TTU fans do! Also, I went to a non-BCS school, SMU, and think it is fundamentally unfair that it does not have the same chance to compete for a National Championship as Baylor or Vanderbilt! I agree the BCS system is better than it used to be, but it is still dramatically flawed.

One of the oh so many reasons why college basketball is far superior to college football. Davidson, Chaminade, Gonzaga etc have just a much of a chance as anyone else. Besides, college basketball requires so much less to be able to compete. Look at the schools that will be competing for championships this bowl season. Their athletic budget equals that of many third world nations. You have to have big bucks to compete in football.

Also, the BCS system makes it far easier for the big schools to recruit. Here, with the SWC being essentially like a BCS conference, UT and A&M had to compete with the other Texas schools for talent. Some years they did not fare so well. Now, they do not need to compete with SMU, Rice, TCU, or Houston. While I am also a big UT fan, I miss the old SWC days.

If you look at the BCS bowl assignments, it appears as though the BCS did a mock playoff set-up when you bring the team BCS rankings into play - except for the LSU-tOSU game.

Higher ranked ("seed" in college basketball) team vs. a lower ranked team (top 10 teams) - that also proves how invalid their rankings are as well.

Most of the time the collage basketball seeds are pretty much accurate then, like PH says, on any given day a lower seeded team can beat a higher seed.

Seems to me the BCS will eventually hang themselves with their own rope - they are coming real close this year to doing just that.

After OU has their way with West Virginia tonight, the above statements will become all too apparent.

How else under the current system do you suppose for us to see how good West Virginia's conference really is?

Since BCS doesn't take SOS into the equation. If they did, teams like OSU who played no body out side the conference for a true test of strength wouldn't get invited.

Kind of like TCU. Been winning 10 games for the past few seasons consistently or close, and a true measuring stick to their program was Texas this year.

Before you ask to change the system, why not ask them to tweak the system so it rewards teams for playing tougher non conference teams.

Why should OSU take a chance and play anyone any more?
Why sholdn't Hawaii get shot at title game, they did what Ohio State did, except they didn't lose.

So its fair to say Hawaii comes from weaker conference and didn't play anyone...... Well, then Ohio States conference strength has yet to be determined because they also didn't face another BCS conference to gauge actual conference strength.

If the BCS is NEVER going to recognize the smaller, lesser non BCS conference colleges, then at least schedule the BCS teams to play the other BCS conf. non scheduled game or games to sample conference strengths.

Other than beating Michigan last year, who did OSU beat to showcase their talent? strength of schedule? Who did Michigan beat last year other than Wisconsin with one loss who didn't play OSU. Conference showcased its strength against who?

And the result of the title game last year was yawner!!!!

Tweak the current system first. Placing high importance of playing tougher non conference games.

I wouldn't overlook WV that hastily. WV Ohio st. , Lsu all had late losses in this years season very comparable to last year when UCLA beat USC by a point to keep the Trojans from playing in the National Championship game. Being penalized the most for their late loss, I think WV will play inspired. The game might surprise you tonight. It'll be 10 x more exciting then the National Championship game I promise. Lsu will win that handily against a well (Illini) type team when their are at least 2-3 now healthy teams in the country that would blow both of the National Championship contenders right off the map.

There is no doubt W. Va will play well. How great of a 1st rounder would this have been? Someday I hope this is what we see. Winning your conference and being ranked high, still very much matter, in trying to get that 1st round home field game.

OSU vs. Hawaii-Columbus
LSU vs. USC-Baton Rouge
Va Tech vs. W. Va-Blacksburg
OU vs. UGA-Norman

No mizzou, no kansas, the only one to beat MIzzou was OU,

No BC, No Tenn? No Florida? As you can see, picking 8 teams based on what?

Who they didn't play to test SOS? Same Yawners are gonna happen in playoffs. Like UGA vs Hawaii.

ILLini thinks they deserve a playoff spot, they barely lost to Mizzou, but beat the #1 contender in the championship game.

USC thinks they should have a bye, they just beat the heck out of a team that beat one of the teams in the Championship game.

See where this can go. No where until teams play better non conference teams to show case strength.

Another Mustang. There are only a few of us on the tff.

Well that is real simple. KU got there nuts handed to them by Mizzou, and Mizzou lost in their CCG. BC, Tenn, and Fla? NO NO and NO.

It is simple how things are determined. The 6 BCS conference champions seeding determined by the polls. 2 at-large or Mid-Majors in top 10 in final poll. I would also like to see the champions determined in the same manner for all conferences.

The Illini are co-champions right? Well if that is the case, using this year as a model they should be in Georgias spot. However, unfortunately they finished outside the top 10 so. That is why they would need to remedy "Co" conference champions.

Some people say well why not a +1? There are going to be years that sometimes a +1 will not solve a darn thing. I don't like a taking the BCS top 16 either cause it will diminish the regular season and winning your conference.