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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: buda13] #15006882 03/04/24 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by buda13
Every “casual” fisherman I’ve shown or explained FFS to have said one of two things… that’s cheating, or that’s not fishing.
I’m not an FFS hater at all, really enjoying learning it. The hunting references were funny. It’s like taking a thermal scope out at night and shooting bedding animal 1/4 mile back in the woods from the cab of your truck. Straight sniping!


No it’s not. All these ridiculous comparisons. You don’t shoot bass with your lure, the livescope doesn’t identify bass, it identifies an object swimming in the water, you have to free hand cast a lure in their direction and they have to decide to eat it.

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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: TxBazzn] #15006942 03/04/24 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TxBazzn
It’s not cheating the competition but it’s cheating the sport. There’s a reason why the elite fields keep getting younger. It used to take years to learn to pattern and predict fish. Not anymore.

And if Deer hunting was a competitive sport with a league, then I would say get rid of baiting, high fences, and game cameras for them. The rest can use it as they see fit. But it’s also cheating the sport.


Yeah, because these kids just instantly get qualified for the BASSMASTERS, you’ve been on there for how long now?

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: SC-001] #15006957 03/04/24 02:25 PM
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Whole lotta complaining boils down to:
“Learning to catch fish was difficult for me because I didn’t have the helpful tools that are available today. Therefore the tools are bad, people who use them are cheating, and GET OFFA MY LAWN!”


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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: Cuervo Jones] #15006979 03/04/24 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuervo Jones
Whole lotta complaining boils down to:
“Learning to catch fish was difficult for me because I didn’t have the helpful tools that are available today. Therefore the tools are bad, people who use them are cheating, and GET OFFA MY LAWN!”


I really don't feel that's an accurate representation of the rub that people are having with this.

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: Floon Swenson] #15007017 03/04/24 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Floon Swenson
Originally Posted by Cuervo Jones
Whole lotta complaining boils down to:
“Learning to catch fish was difficult for me because I didn’t have the helpful tools that are available today. Therefore the tools are bad, people who use them are cheating, and GET OFFA MY LAWN!”


I really don't feel that's an accurate representation of the rub that people are having with this.

It seems pretty close. They keep throwing in deer hunting or spotlighting arguments- those folks aren’t worthy of a response as their fake comparisons are so far disconnected from livescope.

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: grandbassslayer] #15007027 03/04/24 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Originally Posted by Floon Swenson
Originally Posted by Cuervo Jones
Whole lotta complaining boils down to:
“Learning to catch fish was difficult for me because I didn’t have the helpful tools that are available today. Therefore the tools are bad, people who use them are cheating, and GET OFFA MY LAWN!”


I really don't feel that's an accurate representation of the rub that people are having with this.

It seems pretty close. They keep throwing in deer hunting or spotlighting arguments- those folks aren’t worthy of a response as their fake comparisons are so far disconnected from livescope.


Most of the people that bass fish and especially tournament fish can't catch sh** anyway. Most could not cash a check if you put 25# in their bathtub


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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: SC-001] #15007028 03/04/24 03:31 PM
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someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: hopalong] #15007031 03/04/24 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.



Because the people who cannot catch them anyway do not understand how much of an advantage SI and DI are because they cannot catch anything unless it's spring time on a bank somewhere.


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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: hopalong] #15007076 03/04/24 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.


Because people who like sight fishing for bass in the spring when they're at their most vulnerable are somehow opposed to doing it with electronics when they're less stressed and at risk.


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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: hopalong] #15007085 03/04/24 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.




Because there probably is not a logical answer.

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: hopalong] #15007086 03/04/24 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.


Seeing the fish react to lures and baits, in real time, is a huge difference between SI or DI.

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: Cuervo Jones] #15007094 03/04/24 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuervo Jones
Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.


Because people who like sight fishing for bass in the spring when they're at their most vulnerable are somehow opposed to doing it with electronics when they're less stressed and at risk.



This is pretty damn profound right here. The same crowd that cry's it's not sporting probably loves themselves some bed fishing.

Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: wabash2015] #15007097 03/04/24 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wabash2015
Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.


Seeing the fish react to lures and baits, in real time, is a huge difference between SI or DI.



Either way you are seeing the fish and using technology to do so. It's like arguing that it's OK to get drunk on beer but not whiskey.

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I think a lot of people don't realize how difficult FFS is to use. I have fished with multiple FFS gurus including JJ. I know exactly what they are doing and how they do it. I have FFS on my boat and most days if I use it, I do WORSE than if I don't. Certainly, in terms of numbers.

1. You have to move to find fish. If you aren't ultra proficient with your trolling motor and boat control you wind up going so slow you never find fish or so fast you over run them when you do find them. Otherwise, you try and stop the boat by reversing the trolling motor and then can't relocate the fish you stopped for.

2. You have to be able to tell what you are looking at. For most people what they see on the screen, especially at first, it looks like the code from the matrix. Distinguishing a carp, a catfish, gar, or a tilapia from a bass is not easy. Even harder is determining size of the fish you are casting at. JJ could tell the size of a bass to within 1 lb when I was with him. Some lakes, including my home lake, are so full of trash fish everywhere you point the transducer there is a wall of fish. How do you tell the difference between a 5lb tilapia and a 5lb bass? It's not easy. I once asked JJ what he thought the biggest mistake people were making using FFS was and he said wasting time casting at 12lb carp. Another hot west texas lake that is putting out tons of DDs right now is so full of crappie, millions of them, that unless you have an ultra-trained eye its near impossible to distinguish a bass from all the static.

3. Once you find a fish you then have to be able to make the perfect cast at a fish that is likely moving from a boat that is likely being blown around in the wind.

4. Once you make that perfect cast you have to keep the fish and the lure in the small cone of the transducer to be able to see what's going on.

5. Once you've done all that you have to present the right lure (one you can actually see with FFS) to the fish.

6. Once you've selected the right lure you have to present it to the fish in the right way. Sometimes that's a steady retrieve 6 feet above them. Sometimes you've got to drop it right on their nose. The variations are limitless.

7. After all that, you've still got to get the fish to bite.

About the only time it's "easy" is when there are no trash fish, no wind, and they'll hit an A-rig. I do quite well in those situations which is about 2% of the time.

It's 10X harder than most people think.

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Re: A non tournament anglers view on FFS [Re: hopalong] #15007249 03/04/24 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Douglas J
Originally Posted by grandbassslayer
Originally Posted by Floon Swenson
Originally Posted by Cuervo Jones
Whole lotta complaining boils down to:
“Learning to catch fish was difficult for me because I didn’t have the helpful tools that are available today. Therefore the tools are bad, people who use them are cheating, and GET OFFA MY LAWN!”


I really don't feel that's an accurate representation of the rub that people are having with this.

It seems pretty close. They keep throwing in deer hunting or spotlighting arguments- those folks aren’t worthy of a response as their fake comparisons are so far disconnected from livescope.


Most of the people that bass fish and especially tournament fish can't catch sh** anyway. Most could not cash a check if you put 25# in their bathtub


I’d have a five pound dead fish penalty.
Originally Posted by hopalong
someone explain to me why ffs is any different than SI or DI.


SI/DI is a picture of what “was”….past tense, history….FFS is real time live. Big difference.


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