Has anybody had a Ram 1500 with the eoc-diesel? How does it tow and ride? Thanks.

What size load are you towing? And what are you expecting.

They ride great. They are a nice truck. They handle towing just fine.

They do not have the guts that the bigger diesels do if you like to tow at 75 mph and pass everyone. They are an economical minded tow capable vehicle.....and tow just like that sounds. They do it and handle it fine....and economically.

I am a full time guide with about 90% of my miles towing a 6500 pound boat. My tow vehicle of choice is a BMW x5 with a 3L diesel and the identical transmission to the ecodiesel. (The engine performance however is very different.)

Have also towed 7500+ twin engine offshore boat. And that is my wifes identical x5 with 7000 loaded horse trailer.

Have towed with the ecodiesel Dodge as well for seversl years.

I have a travel trailer that weighs about 3500lbs with a tandem set and a 18ft G-3 deep V. I have a Durango with a hemi and it gets poor MPG. I would like a good ride and decent MPG towing. Thanks for the info.

I get 36 mpg empty.
12-14 mpg towing that boat above at 70 mph. I tow down the coast along the bay with high winds about 200 miles often. Usually against the wond one direction and with the wind the return trip.
Wife gets 16 towing that horse trailer (more aerodynamic).

The ecodiesel will get similar towing. Much less empty.

Thank you.

My buddy has a 2017 4x4 with the ecodiesel and it works great for pulling my 19' basscat or his 19' champion. We went to Marine Creek yesterday and averaged 20-22 miles to the gallon driving at 70 mph.

Some good info on the ecodiesel above.

I have a 2015 with 63,000 miles on it. Been a great truck. I average about 30 mpg commuting to work and back, a little better empty on the hwy and mid to lower 20's in town. Mine has a mild tune to take care of emissions stuff and a little added power but not much and a little better mpg than stock.

I tow a 30 foot 7500 lb travel trailer and a 5,000 lb bay boat with no problems. It is not a speed demon by any means but runs well and tows well. I get about 13-15 towing the TT and 15-17 towing the boat depending on wind and how fast im driving.

Red Chevy, when pulling a boat do you find it necessary to shift into trailer mode or do you just leave it in regular mode?

very impressive numbers! i am getting 10mpg in a 6.0 chevy gasser. I miss my diesel. I will be going back to diesel asap.

I do run in tow/haul when im towing.

Our boat is bigger than most at 5000 lbs or so and catches some wind. I hurts the fuel mileage a little but keeps the truck in the power band better and I believe it is better for the engine and transmission not to lug it.

Many tow with them without using tow/haul including 7-8000 lb travel trailers with no ill effects that I know of, but its not my personal preference to do so. The transmission 8 speed zf is probably the shining star of the whole package, well respected transmission.

I'd take a long hard look at the F-150 with 5.0 and low gears for good mpg and good towing, or the Ram Hemi with 3.21 gears. Both can tow over 8k lbs, both get low/mid 20s mpg, and both have proven reliability.

Just a thought. I currently run an ED. They get great mileage, but the fuel is more expensive than a gasser, maintenance is higher, and if you ever need to repair it, the costs can be really, really high.

Not long ago, I watched a video on the Ecodiesel�s suffering from some engine failures due to a timing gear issue. I think the issue was that the gear was pressed on, without set screws or dowel pins, so over time they would slip and cause the motor to grenade itself. Not sure if that has been resolved or not, but it always steered me away from them.

The timing gear issue has occurred but very few instances of it. It is not a problem I would be concerned about. They have had a rash of bottom end failures at a variety of mileages (including very low) the majority have been covered under warranty, but it is unsettling, I don't care who you talk to that says the failure rate isn't higher than normal, it is, and other than as an owner we know there is a higher rate of failure and an issue we don't know what it is. At first ram spec'ed a heavier oil, but it has not cured the problem.

I bought on ein Feb 2016. 2016 Laramie 4WD. The Eco Deisel is an awesome dependable (so far) truck. 25-26 on road. 15-17 towing a 20 foot bass boat.

I'd buy another one without hesitation. My dealer calls me monthly to do so too! Ha.

I will give you an update after the emissions update on truck is reprogrammed. Massive recall due to emissions standards lawsuit against RAM. When I dropped it off yesterday for a 3-hour hey here's your rental car cuz it's an all day process, the only thing they said was plan on your mileage going down. Such BS. Then fix it and then adjust your tune to maintain same mileage. I'll tell ya what, if it plummets I'll be looking for a new vehicle. This was primary reason I bought the truck was for getter mileage.

I just signed up for mine today, will have to see what I hear.

I wouldn't be too worried about the mileage, we will be getting the same tune that the 2017 and 2018 trucks are running, they are reporting the same fuel mileage numbers the 2014-2016 trucks were. There have been little to no changes in the drive line of these trucks, it should be fine.

Something similar happened with Fords 6.7 in 2012, they reprogrammed mine to regen more often and it look about 1.5 mpg off my truck. I knew I shouldn�t have let them do it, but I was hoping for the best.

Grout, if they wouldn't be offering an extended warranty and $3,000+ I wouldn't be getting the update but they are.... so I am.

Did ford pay you anything in 2012?

Hell NO! Lol

I think Fords was a voluntary thing, or might have been voluntary so that the EPA wouldn�t bust them up, I don�t know. I just know this dang truck has been almost flawless with shop time, 1 sensor went out and it was covered by warranty. Really horrible fuel mileage, but the truck just keeps running flawlessly. I almost wish I had an excuse to get rid of it because of the fuel mileage being so bad.

Kinda how I feel about mine. Will pass everything but the diesel pump. I get about 12.5-13.5 mpg on 35's

Mine is still running like a champ. Taking the travel trailer to tennessee a week from today. Couldn't be happier with it.

I get 28-29 mpg going to work and back. 11-13 mpg towing the trailer, 18-21 mpg towing the bass boat

No real noticeable change after re flashed Will be headed to DFW in few weeks so that will let m em now for sure.

I did file for the $3k refund too. Has anyone heard from them at all?

Havent gotten the update on mine yet. Hoping to see how the payout deal works before I let them flash it.

Gotta have it re-flashed before they will mail you a check, thats the incentive to get it done. From everthing I've heard your fuel mileage will go anywhere from staying the same to getting 1-2 mpg worse and the turbo lag in the pedal gets quite a bit worse, other than that AEM reprogram seems to be working fine.

I called dealer back and the pedal lags for sure. They said never had anyone complain about it. If it continues I will tell them to fix it.

That tune I PM'd you about will fix the pedal lag, it makes it feel like a gasser.

San Antonio area Ram Diesel owners. Just bought a 2015 Ecodiesel. Got a 24K mile dealershipr warranty with it. What Dodge dealership in the San Antonio area have you had the best experience with?

Legend I sent you a PM.

Legend I sent you a PM.

I had mine completed updated service from dealer on May 13. Turned in recall requirements on May 17. Still waiting for the official letter that I have to motorized to get paid. such bull!

Gas mileage sucked for first tank of gas. Now back to same as before Still having issues w pedal lag Dealer no help

Got my check this past week. Runs the same or maybe better than before. No complaints at all.

Interesting development today, there may be a new class action suit to force a buy back, seem a bunch of owners are having trouble with the AEM update especially the ones with pre 2016 year models, stay tuned...

https://youtu.be/2MmSUAOwpRY

FCA is also dragging their feed badly on the settlement checks which were supposed to be recieved in 6 weeks, bunch of lies.

So what is the proper order of doing this? I registered on the online site 6 weeks ago and have not heard anything. Called a local dealer and they were clueless. Should I go ahead and schedule an appointment to have it reprogrammed or should I wait to hear from Ram?

They are a little unclear on some of the stuff. I have had the update so my check isn't on the way and I know it.

I have read that others had to submit additional info. If your spouse is on the title you have to send in their info as well. I will have to redo this. Also there is a max document size if you exceed the size it wont go through.... it appears they do not notify you if you are lacking info or your documents have not been accepted due to file size.

I wouldn't have the re-program done until you receive your settlement package to notorize... unless you are going to replace the AEM with an aftermarket tune immediately after, which is what seem most are doing. Theres a lot of info on the ram1500diesel forums.

Interesting watch.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCmXeTJNCl8

Maybe stock 2WD with some P rated street tires on it. My brother's 5.0 F150 does worse than my Tundra

Driven the same I got money all over the F150 to do better. Same tires same set up same driving style. The ford wins easily.

So since filing all paperwork on May 17th , last Monday 12 August, I got my paperwork. May 16 is when the update was done. Paperwork came in the form of an email with attachments. Printed out, motorized and scanned back as a .pdf. Then almost within a matter of minutes get a second email response stating FCA received my documents but didn't have a record stating the update by dealer was done. I called them the next day to inquire about the response email from them. The rep stated not to worry, that's an auto generated email. I said why send out an auto generated email to people who did what was required ( got update at dealer, filed initial papers, sent notarized documents etc...) and of course no answer. He did review my electronic submissions and stated they had everything they needed. Said I would be getting a notice once check was issued and mailed out (another 6 weeks or so). I won't hold my breath for that 2 months to come again.
Bottom line is the truck occasionally has a very sluggish gas pedal. No one at dealer seems to want to help w that.
They stated we cannot find anything. If it continues I will be getting rid of the best boat pulling most fuel efficient truck I have ever owned due to safety concerns and somewhat value life over it all.
But not until I get my $3k from them. Bet on that!

Seller beware the re-sale value on these trucks is shot after the AEM is installed!!! If you would get the aftermarket tune it would save you a lot of money, I would be willing to bet you would actually just keep the truck after you feel the difference.

The 17 and 18 year models were offered with HUGE rebates, that is where the value loss is going to come from in my opinion. I could have easily bought a 17 or 18 model nicer trim level than my current 15 for less than I paid for my 15. They gave the 17's and 18's away.

Guys y’all have more faith in Fiat than I do no thanks.
J D

Ive got as much faith in Fiat as I do GM and Ford... lol.

Ive got 73,000 absolutely trouble free miles on a full size half ton crew cab 4 door 4x4 pickup truck that gets better fuel mileage empty highway than my last 4 cylinder commuter car and gets about the same fuel mileage towing a 3000-5000 boat etc. as most gas 1/2 tons get empty. Yeah im happy with it. I average over 600 miles on a tank filling at 200 miles to empty on a 26 gallon tank for my typical work commute. I can easily got 3 weeks without filling fuel.

You ask me Ram hit this one out of the park! Sure there are some things that need some tweaking and they are doing it for the next gen, I just want to know why on earth we couldn't have had something like this in the 90's or before or after lol I would love a 30+ mpg non egr dpf scr diesel half ton.

Select dealers started giving the '16's away too late in that calender year, I think they were told to from higher up in the company, they knew were going to run into this issue in the future...

I bought a 2015 4x4 crew new in 2017. It was a leftover without all the bells and whistles. They practically gave it away. The guy said everyone wants shiny rims and bumpers etc. I knew I was putting aftermarket stuff on it anyway so I bought it. 27 mpg on my way to Austin from Houston. First thing I did was get a green diesel tune. It added 2-3 mpg and 20-30hp and eliminated turbo lag. Since then I've added 4" lift, 35" nittos. Lost some mpg but still more than any truck you can find with 35's. 70k miles late and the only thing I do is change the oil. Zero issues. Best truck I've owned. The tune also doubled my def life.

I just turned 61k on mine. Had a steering wheel button replaced that was glitchy from the factory when I first got it. Other than that, the truck has been a pleasure to drive and I just got a $3k check for the emissions stuff. Couldn't be happier personally.

Still waiting since May 13th to wrap up my no longer than 6-8 week recall check processing. Love the truck. Hate the bull [censored] from RAM. Dealer won't even discuss the pedal lag issue. They suck

My servicing dealer didn't put it into Ram's system for a month that they'd done the recall work. So that could be part of your delay and there isn't much Ram can do about that.

Just read this article. Not sure I believe it but let's hope it is correct.

https://www.tfltruck.com/2019/09/ra...ecodiesel-emissions-recall-fix-official/

Mine ran better after the tune. Weird. I hope they don't force another flash.

Got my check. FINALLY!
Mine is definitely not running the same as it did before the tune. Now trying to figure out what to do,

Really need to know more about this green Deisel tune. My truck has extended warranty until 2024 or 125k miles. I only have 46k on it now.
Any info about this tune I see greatly appreciated. does it void my warranty?

I did mine the week after I drive off the lot. They cant void a warranty if they can't tell anything has been done. That's the beauty of the green diesel tune. All they can do is reflash. Green diesel has a process for that too.

I also suggest the transmission tune by GDE as well. Well worth it

If FCA wants to know if a tune has been applied, they can tell. Their standard procedure is to download all of the data off of the ECM and send it to the engineers at FCA, which will show an aftermarket tune. According to the forums, it seems like most of the time they do not do this, even for major warranty work like engine replacements. So it's low-ish risk, but not no risk. The tune isn't physically detectable in terms of being able to look in the engine bay and see an add-on or replacement part, so that's a bonus.

I would advise keeping your OEM ECM in case there are more flashes down the road required by FCA. You can always stick your factory ECM back in the truck if you need to and you have it. If you replace the ECM and don't keep your OEM version, then you're at risk of having to send it to GDE again if your dealer flashes over your GDE tuned ECM.

Glad you finally got your check.

Thanks alll. I will reach out to GDE to inquire some more. Much appreciated

Ya I just do the core return. Takes about 10 min to install. I feel the reason you see all these diesel issues is the fact they are so restricted from the factory. I've had zero issues with mine. 70k miles and half if that was on days I idled 6-8hrs also.

Hey Bigfishwilb,
I also live in San Antonio. What dealership did you have such a experience at? I still have to have mine done and do not want a bad experience if I can avoid it.
Thanks,
Lightnin

Curious as well, bought mine at San Antonio Dodge on IH 35 between O'Connor and Judson roads.

I will never go back to them on I35. I was to meet with them on schedule appt to buy a non current year of a ram. My appt at 11. I even offered to place my CC to hold it. They were signing papers on it to another customer when I arrived. Never would I get anything from them. Mine was done at IPAC Jeep/Ram on 410

I hope you had a better experience at IPAC than I did. To be honest I got mine used from IPAC Mazda. It was the exact truck I was looking for and they had it in inventory for five months. I hammered them pretty hard on price. So much they wouldn't even replace the radiator cap that was still working but broken into two pieces. Just replaced it yesterday because no one could find a fit. Come to find out the cap is a GM branded cap. On top of that every parts place wanted to sell me green antifreeze. Kept telling them it was an orange color. Oh it is GM DeX Cool. Didn't feel comfortable with that. The house that had the GM cap found some Valvoline antifreeze that is a light orange color.

On top of all that came up off a boat ramp with the parking brake on. Just as I realized what was happening a check engine light came on. Engineering buddy researched it and said all I needed to do was flash it. Had IPAC Dodge do that and it has never run the same. It behaves just as everyone describes their truck after the fix. I have a suspicion this truck had a GDE program on it and I accidentally removed it. Have a call into them now to see if they can verify off the VIN.

Got an email Fri from RAM they needed my wife's ID. Well at least my application is being reviewed. Overall I still love this truck.

Mine was a smooth buying experience with them. I wanted to buy mine from IPAC but they were closed. My previous vehicle had been totaled (not my fault) and I needed to replace it then. The only thing I missed that I was wanting that the ones from IPAC had according to their site was vinyl floors.

Stay away from Mac Haik on I35 too, the salesman named Ellis is a snake

I called them about a used quad cab last week. 2019 1500 quad cab tradesman, red. They had it listed for $28,500. I told them it was overpriced for used and that I'd pay them $26k if they could give me $17,500 for my trade-in, which is more than fair. They refused to budge on the $28,500 and said they were only making $1500 as-is and they only had it for a few days and they don't discount til it's been on the lot at least 2 months. Sure enough, a week later, it's listed for $27,000. Think I'd ever buy a truck from those jokers? Nope...

I ended up trading in my Tundra to another dealership for over twice of what they offered, they are a joke

The last couple of vehicles I traded in I took them to CarMax first. The give you a written offer that lasts for 7 days. That gives you a bottom of the barrel amount to work from and bargain with. I also get pre-approved with my credit union and that takes away more bargain power from the dealers. They don't do well with me. :

Just watched a test drive of a 2020 eco 2wd. The guys got 40mpg at the pump. Truck showed 30. Be curious to see what epa releases for mpg.

How many gallons? Your numbers can get really skewed if you over-fill before and under-fill after and you only drove 150 or 200 miles.

Now if they got that on a 600+ mile tank, at the same pump both times, on level ground, then I'll be selling mine real soon to buy a 2020 model. It's not hard for me to get 30 mpg in mine, but 40 mpg is just silly.

I've gotten 15 mpg towing my 30' travel trailer before. The ED engine is really shockingly good. Mine is by far the best truck I've ever owned or driven, and that includes all the big brands.

The fast lane truck? I've watched some of their MPG vids, Fords seem to be the worst about the computer cheating how good the fuel mileage really is.

They used hand-calculated numbers, but it was only over like 100 miles. Pump in accuracy can significantly impact your mpg on a test like that. I'm a big fan of the ecodiesel and i want the tests to show that they're awesome, but I'm also an engineer and someone who just wants truth, and I can tell you from a technical standpoint that a test run like that is extremely inaccurate. The difference a couple tenths of a gallon makes on such a small mileage could be really significant. And if anyone here thinks a full size pickup is getting 40 mpg on a round trip with cruise set at 70 mph, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale for a great price.

Lol yup. 40 is not even close. If it's 30 that'd be at the top of the ladder with the new GM ecodiesel.

Silvarado 3.0L Duramax I6 - 33 highway 23 city
Ram 3.0L gen2 Ecodiesel V6 - 32 highway 22 city
Ford 3.0 Powerstroke V6 - 30 highway 22 city

This is best case senario all can vary depending on your rear end gearing and is 4x4 equipted

Does anyone know of a company producing tuners for the eco diesel? I am not looking to do an egr delete. I am looking to get rid of the initial lag that I now have and would like to boost my mileage. I am now getting around 18.5 mpg around town and about 22 mpg on the highway. Coming up on 6 weeks and still have not seen my check.

Merry Christmas Everyone.

First off your check will take about 3 months. I think green Deisel makes a tune for the Eco diesel. My pedal lag sucks still today after the dealer modification was done. And yes mileage went down too. 1-2 mpg. I have had truck at dealer many times for them to check pedal lag. It's a safety issue. I guess it's gonna take someone getting hurt before they acknowledge their FIX caused more issues. Thanks Ram/Dodge. Love my truck bust at time its scary to drive.......50k on 2016 model

I got rid of my f250 and bought a 2018 eco since my trailers have gotten smaller. I wish I would have done this sooner. My best tank turned 32 mpg /800 miles- we were on a family trip to Colorado. Rides better than a Cadillac too! My 6.7 f250 had great power- but this truck has it beat in every other category.

Btw. If you got the AEM tune and experienced pedal lag, there is a newer AEM update released late December that is finally making its way to the dealers. Once I got this installed it fixed the pedal lag.

Hey bigfishwilb where did you find a dealer with the new version AEM update? I call Bluebonnet and they don't have it yet.

Thought the new version was suppose to be available in December '19?

I haven't gotten it yet as I haven't found out exactly how im going to preserve my tuned status as of yet.

There are fewer and fewer shops that will do tunes and deletes since the feds are cracking down on it.

The Diesel Brothers were just fined 850k for modding engines.

I got it at Myles Dodge in Castroville TX. See Josh in service department. It’s much better and safer to drive now that completed.

First off I want to say Thank You to Patrick for pointing me to Josh in Castroville. Made an appointment and dropped my truck off for an AEM update. While there they did the EGR update also. Picked my truck up late Fri afternoon and runs great, especially compared to what it ran after the first update. On Sat I took my duck boat to Kerrville to fish Flat Rock lake. About 35 miles from home the check engine light came on. Truck was running great and all the gauges were fine so went on to Kerrville. Everything was stil fine so drove it home. The next morning I cranked it and the light was gone. Have talked to a couple of people that say this is normal on an AEM reboot. Overall I am very happy with the update and especially the service Josh provided.

Gjj k ad to hear it. He’s the only guy to deal with. That’s for sure! Enjoy those poles too

I cant stand it when people tow going 75 or 80. In the fast lane. Dumb

Up. Going to get mine reflashed next week.

Well RAM killed the ecodiesel

Check this out. No wonder this engines are having terminal failures shelling lower bearings left and right

I deleted mine with GDE ECU. Never had an issue. Honestly it was the best truck I ever owned...this F-250 is giving it a run for the money but Ram gets such a bad rap and builds a really nice truck. Dang emissions are just trash for modern diesels.

The emissions systems suck, egr is terrible, especially when you find out that they sacrifice mileage and cleanliness of the tune to make it sound quieter. I’d wager a. AST majority want more noise all want better mileage and less soot.

My ecodiesel is still rolling at just shy of 150,000 miles. My brother brought home a 2024 3500 duramax yesterday, I told him to get a Cummins but that’s what he wanted. See how it goes his last duramax was a good truck, but pre dpf def etc.

After going Ford, I don't think I'd go back to a Ram or Chevy 3/4 ton. The biggest local diesel shop says he keeps 6.7 Cummins cylinder heads in stock because they go through so many. I do think Chevy is a good truck, but the new ones are near impossible to delete. Made in America though like the Ford (unlike the Ram 2500 & 3500). But there's a reason the Cummins is #1 among commercial towing folks.

My 2019 duramax had so many issues the last 2 months I owned it. I never should have bought an oil-field lease. Glad to be out of that mess. This powerstroke was immactulately maintained and runs like it - got 25 on the trip-meter since deleting last week.

That is not good....

No offense but I’ll stick around for your review of the Ford with miles of experience. You said the same you’re saying now about your duramax. If your mechanic claims massive issues with the Cummins I’d find a different one.

I think my problem with the Duramax was getting an oilfield lease. I do think Chevy builds a good truck, but their newer ones are so dang uncomfortable.

That said, I think Ford builds a good truck these days too. But I do hate that they use the CP4, the Ram is definitely more comfortable, and the Ram doesn't have the death wobble. But the dang 68RFE is so hard to wrap my head around as a serious HD transmission.

You may end up being right about the Ford. But I needed to get rid of that Chevy and wanted something different. At least the Ford was cheap to delete.

If you get a HO Cummins or the 1ton you at least get the aisin (sp) transmission, but agree they could def up their game in that department.

While I think the duramax is alright, the un-tunability of them is of putting.

Agreed...if all 3 trucks could be tuned equally easily, I think the duramax probably wins out pretty easily. Especially the duramax with the old 6-speed allison

Aisin is the only way to go with Ram IMHO. Was even told this by a Ram dealer...

I wouldn't disagree about the Aisin, but it only comes in a 3500.

Yeah...the 68RFE is just so questionable. It doesn't even really shift smoothly and you seldom hear of any high-mileage ones. I had a deal lined up on a Laramie Mega cab for cheap a couple years ago and went to drive it and it just drove awful. Went and test drove another low mileage one a week later thinking the first one was just a bad truck and it drove the same. Kind of gave up on Ram HDs after that. I think most folks that buy one are buying them for one of their fleet drivers to drive and they don't really care as long as it runs.

Both my duramax and powerstroke shifted smoother and drove nicer from a handling and ride quality standpoint.

The other problem with the aisin (other than only being in the 3500) is that the maintenance on them is significant. The allison in the GM and torqshift-6 and torqshift-10 in the fords both have way less trans maintenance. I think the allison maintenance starts at 100k if I recall. My f-250 torqshift starts at 150k. Aisin starts at 30k

The good about the 68RFE is the aftermarket. Have a couple family members who tuned their trucks and busted the trans. Had them rebuilt by a shop that knows what’s up and they have been solid since for many miles.

Yeah you can basically bullitproof the 68RFE on rebuild for not a lot of money.

Anyone had an Ecodiesel thats been trouble free so far?, sub reddit is interesting to say the least. https://www.reddit.com/r/EcoDiesel/

I had one for 70k miles and never missed a beat. Only got rid of it because it was 2WD and I got stuck a couple times on vacations

The gen 3 ecodiesel has been extremely reliable, gen 3 is new body style 2019+.

Gen 3 they seemed to have fixed a bunch of problems, I was referring to the 2014-2018 motors, rumor is they are popping like Evinrude Ficht's, here a guy opens one up to see the common problem https://youtu.be/qvA3XKE9eWE?si=28To22ncJhMiXxji&t=1613

My ecodiesel was a 2016 model. Never missed a beat or broke down one time. Towed my camper to smoky mountains, yellowstone, etc. Best truck I ever owned until this Ford F-250

I'm still driving mine. It's all stock, 2018, I got 120,000 on it. No issues yet. I pull my boat and several small trailers with it regularly. It primarily has highway miles on it. My brother bought a 2023 and he loves it. Time will tell

If your interested in motors this is well worth the watch,

https://www.reddit.com/r/EcoDiesel/...ram_30_ecodiesel_engine_teardown_why_do/

Y'all are beating a dead horse. That link is for the gen 1 Ecodiesel that was a disaster. Since then they have widened and beefed up the bearings on the bottom end and added filets to the crank. Since this has happened I don't know of any lower end failures. Not to say they haven't had one but certainly not enough to become even a small issue.

All that and still discontinued it

You can thank CARB, CAFE, and the democrats as a whole for ruining diesel engines as we once knew them.

I’m learning that for the most part reliability comes down to maintenance. The manufacturer doesn’t want your engine and transmission to go 200k+. Whatever they say the oil change interval is, cut it in half. Change transmission, diffs, and transfer case every 30k miles and you’ll probably have a good, reliable truck. Goes for most truck manufacturers. Preventative maintenance is cheap and it’s your friend.

LOL there's a new engine failure posted every other day here, gen 2 failure posted today https://www.ram1500diesel.com/forums/ram-1500-diesel-general-discussion.6/

Cool, still not a Gen 3...

And it still got discontinued didn't it...

Show me on the doll where RAM hurt you...

Gen 1 ecodiesel was hardly a disaster. I had one and was one of the best vehicles I ever had - just stupidly got a 2wd and got stuck several times and it was the last 2wd I ever owned (or will own). But the engine was great - gas mileage was stupid and it hauled a 28' travel trailer all over the country.

They definitely had some bearing issues on the lower end, but the failure rate was very low and nearly always covered by warranty.

I'm not super surprised they nixed the engine altogether. I never saw a ton of them on the road - modern emissions make diesels too much of a risk unless you're in the HD category.

Actually it was, you won the lotto with yours. The the lower bearing failure is speculated to be >10% across all gen1 & 2 motor fleet, that is insanely high for an auto manufacturer today, haven't heard info on failures on the gen3's but I think that engine fixed lots of the earlier problems. This video opened some eyes

"Speculated"

Meaning nobody has any real data.

It also means I didn't win the lotto. My buddy (who is on this forum) has a FIL who has one with well over 100k miles and zero issues. redchevy has one with no issues. Lots of folks on the ram ecodiesel forum I was one had them with 300k+ with no issues.

Just for your awareness - Failure rate of the CP4 fuel pump (that was used in all 3 major HD diesel brands between 2015 to current production) is around 7% documented, so 10% speculated failure rate on ED bearings isn't "insanely high".

Let's pull back a bit on the hyperbole and push forward on data and actual true information.

LO F'in L, lets see how many people you get to buy a half ton with a 3.5K upcharge over the gasser and let them know 10% of the product sold is going to spin a lower bearing without warning at any time. I promise you if the consumer knew what we know now almost no one would have bought this engine.

LOL

The 10% is a made up number. There are tons and tons of them on the road being used by hot shotters that are lasting as long or longer than the hemi before any major repairs. 6.7 Cummins has cylinders go bad all the time - local diesel shop says he keeps them in stock he does them so often. Powerstroke CP4 is a common failure and cost $10k-$15k to repair. Duramax has had all sorts of issues over the years - cracked cylinders, CP4, head gaskets, expensive injector failures, numerous 10-speed transmission issues, etc. Are they all [censored] too?

The upcharge goes away when you realize resale is higher, and you save a ridiculous amount in fuel money because you get 27-28 mpg while hemi owners get 17-18 mpg. That upcharge is actually made up completely in about 60k miles at today's fuel prices. So after that it's just savings every time you pull into the pump.

The idea this is some kind of terrible engine is just not reality. They're generally very well liked. The number one eco diesel forum in America had a running list of crank bearing failures and it was 104 people with literally hundreds of thousands of these trucks on the road.

I know you think this is some kind of detective game where you've uncovered the perp and it's FCA/Ram and their terrible engine that nobody knows about, but it's just not reality. They've had some issues...all other brands have had issues as well. I had numerous issues with my wife's brand new 2009 Honda CR-V. My dad's 2013 Tundra had a handful of issues over the 4 years he owned it. My mom's Toyota Rav4 is having problems right now. All of these were less reliable than my ecodiesel, which was never in the shop for anything other than scheduled maintenance and a steering wheel radio button that went out and was replaced for free. Does it mean because I had a few bad experiences with Honda and Toyota that these engines suck? Not at all - it happens. To all of them, whether it's Ram/Honda/Toyota/whoever.

Yeah some expect its closing in on 15%! Wow a little defensive aren't we, I've talked to more than one FCA tech that say these engines, especially the early generation ones, are the bane of their existence, I've seen their face drop everytime one come in. As far as what you say about re-sale, thats a flat out lie, resale on trucks with these power units is as Charle Barkley would say, turrible, some dealer won't even take the 2014-2019 models as trade ins.

First it was speculating 10%

Now some say it's closing in on 15%

You're like a cross between a Donald Trump press release and a QVC salesman...."But wait, there's more!"

I'm done bud. Don't own it anymore, not interested in discussing with person's whose only defense is speculation and anecdotes when the only person in the discussion who actually owned a truck with that motor is not you. I'm not going to convince your speculation that you're wrong, and you're not going to convince me that my experience is wrong. So best of luck bud

This is just completely not true. Some of the folks who have the highest miles and most strenuous use of these trucks have ran 15,000 mile plus oil changes with used oil analysis and are doing perfectly fine.

To start, the ecodiesels in the ram 1500’s are gen II’s. You had a good one and sold early sure yours was good. The gen 2 was and is a disaster. I don’t know what the failure rate is but it’s substantially higher than it’s contemporaries and you know that, it’s a part of why you ditched yours. I still have mine and the only reason I haven’t ditched it is because it’s not worth anything. The failure rate is not low. Supposedly there is a class action in the works for the bearing failures. Some people with integral inside info on the design and tuning of the engine stated they have info to substantiate a class action. It’s one thing to make a flawed product fix under warranty and resolve the issue going forward. Ram sold this engine unchanged from 2014-2019/20 in the classic model after the bottoms end issue was apparent to anyone with a brain since 2015 and definitely to ram in 2015-16 evidences by oil spec change and leaked emails.

Be honest now

I ditched mine because it was 2wd and I got stuck 3 times in great smoky mountains national park on a trip with the kids and wife. If I'd have bought 4x4, I'd still own it and would have just kept a smaller trailer (my current trailer requires 3/4 ton). Loved that truck. Until this F250, best truck I ever owned.

Trying to talk my buddy right now into buying his FIL's 2015 ecodiesel with 150k miles on it. His FIL has had zero issues, and it's mostly used for short trips around town.

I'll admit they had issues with bearings - to say otherwise is not accurate. There were a hundred or so known failures on the biggest ecodiesel forum out there. There were also hundreds of thousands of these sold. We have no idea if the failure rate is 25% or 10% or 1%. To say otherwise is pure opinion...and you know what they say about opinions.

If they had the info to substantiate any kind of legal action, it would already be in the works. These trucks have been out for a decade and FCA has the means to pay out bigtime for a class action, if there was any justification.

To suggest that these bearing failures are "substantially" more common than lifter failures in the AFM GM vortec engines or any of a dozen common issues (carbon buildup, timing chain, turbo failure, etc.) on the 3.5 ecoboost is again, just speculation. We don't have failure rates for literally any of these. So to say that one is higher than the other when you don't actually know either number is just...opinion.

redchevy - do you still have yours? Have the bearings failed?

redchevy - do you still have yours? Have the bearings failed?
Inquiring minds want to know?

I do still have it, along with a plugged up intake and stuck swirl valve code. Dealer wants 5k independent shop wants $2600 when I find time I’ll get it done for parts after I finish hanging lights and wiring my shop.

Haven’t seen it yet supposedly a class action is in works. Dealer cost for a new motor is now $20,000+/- and mid to upper $20k to have it replaced total. I think the obscene cost and lack of support is driving it. Some don’t care for GDE but they stated they had the info to win if someone headed it up and funded it.

Plugged up intake? Are you GDE-deleted?

I wouldn't own any modern diesel with stock emissions. That's asking for a $5k shop bill

GDE?

GDE is a tuning company, they were at one time contracted with Ram at some level and have tons of insight into these engines.

I know someone who just had one blow up. That engine is a turd.

He also mentioned the rumor about the class action lawsuit and said it was going to happen, why else would the engine replacement cost for these skyrocket lately?