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Re: Ryder Cup 2018 [Re: butch sanders] #12919025 10/01/18 06:49 PM
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If I hear that the euros won because of camaraderie one more time? They won because they are more talented. Euros have always been under rated.
Pride don't hit fairways.


how about PGA rankings?


the euros have been arguing about those rankings for years. Hard to argue when you haven't beat them unless your playing a really easy course. There really isn't
an argument left? its been almost 30 yrs?

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Re: Ryder Cup 2018 [Re: soggybottom] #12919113 10/01/18 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: soggybottom
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If I hear that the euros won because of camaraderie one more time? They won because they are more talented. Euros have always been under rated.
Pride don't hit fairways.


how about PGA rankings?


the euros have been arguing about those rankings for years. Hard to argue when you haven't beat them unless your playing a really easy course. There really isn't
an argument left? its been almost 30 yrs?


Better golfers play worse on easier courses?

The issues with the US not winning in Europe:

1) European players play here far more often than US players play there.
2) Home field advantage matters. Having 40,000 people cheering for you matters.
3) the Europeans play match play way better than the US players do. It doesnt happen here as often.
4) The US style of play is bomb it off the tee and hit a wedge into a green, which is possibly even from the rough. The rough in France was deep everywhere. The course was tighter and had more hazards. It was intentionally setup to play to the Europeans strengths and style of play.

Golf rankings take place over a long period of time for a reason. The Ryder Cup is not a normal event. There are a lot of factors. But saying the rankings are bunk and Europeans are better at golf is not the same as what is actually true: the Europeans are better in a Ryder Cup-type event than the US players are, especially when it takes place in Europe.


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the us players are driver/pitching wedge and if its not they cry like babies and take their clubs and go home. They wont carp about it at the British open or the ryder cup, but they feel free to carp about it to high heaven at the US open. Euros play real golf. ne wind? ne rough? ne golf.
watching guys hit driver wedge all day is bs golf.
How come we haven't won there in 3 decades and they seem to win here? OVER RATED.
Euro were hitting 6 iron and we were digging wedges out of the rough all weekend.


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U.S. golfers have no motivation
you can finish last & still be a millionaire

Re: Ryder Cup 2018 [Re: soggybottom] #12919172 10/01/18 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: soggybottom
the us players are driver/pitching wedge and if its not they cry like babies and take their clubs and go home. They wont carp about it at the British open or the ryder cup, but they feel free to carp about it to high heaven at the US open. Euros play real golf. ne wind? ne rough? ne golf.
watching guys hit driver wedge all day is bs golf.
How come we haven't won there in 3 decades and they seem to win here? OVER RATED.
Euro were hitting 6 iron and we were digging wedges out of the rough all weekend.



I addressed those in points 1-3. Im not necessarily saying the US style of golf is better, I was attempting to explain why the US players struggle in Ryder Cups, especially when theyre in Europe.

Everyone knows whats in store for the British Open. And usually, its a links or links-style course, which is wide open and the ball runs forever. The complaining at the US Open this year was, I believe, justified. The USGA has a history of screwing that up. It wasnt just that it was extremely hard; they didnt take into account how the weather would affect play.

The course this weekend was more like the Colonial. Distance doesnt matter on a course like that. Arguing that they are better at golf because they mostly play a course like the Colonial is not the same as accounting for different styles of courses.

Rahm said before the Colonial that he felt good about his chances because its exactly the same style course he grew up playing in Spain.


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Re: Ryder Cup 2018 [Re: butch sanders] #12919176 10/01/18 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: butch sanders
U.S. golfers have no motivation
you can finish last & still be a millionaire


So can all of the Europeans who play in 20 tournaments every year here. Youre either wrong or trolling with your crusade about too much money in golf.


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Re: Ryder Cup 2018 [Re: swalker9513] #12919209 10/01/18 09:22 PM
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The Euro team picked the right course and set it up to their advantage and that is what they are suppose to do. The Americans didn't visit the course prior to tournament except for Justin Thomas who by the way played better than any other American played. The Americans didn't put the work in required to win and made no adjustments once they got there to try to play the course better. Our players can say that it means as much to them but it sure did not look like it this year. We have the talent but maybe not the heart!

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Furyk had a horrible RC record. Lost most all the Cups he played in. The difference was their Captains picks vs Furyks. He good Ole Boyd 2 guys that got 0 points and played 6 matches. Not even a 1/2.
I wondered what kind of odds Vegas would have gave on Tiger/Phil going 0-6?

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the US should play on a course in Midland with no trees and no rough and completely flat so they can finally win one. It will be whoever drives it the furthest wins, just like most weekends on the PGA. Do we really have the talent?? name me one guy that is better than fairway jesus (fleetwood) or
Jon Rahm or Justin Rose? one?


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Furyk had a horrible RC record. Lost most all the Cups he played in. The difference was their Captains picks vs Furyks. He good Ole Boyd 2 guys that got 0 points and played 6 matches. Not even a 1/2.
I wondered what kind of odds Vegas would have gave on Tiger/Phil going 0-6?


Furyk did a terrible job, in my opinion.


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The Euros have a long history of joining together to defeat a more skilled opposition
Its in their DNA


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The Euros have a long history of joining together to defeat a more skilled opposition
Its in their DNA


Except for those 2 times we had to bail most of Europe out of a little trouble last century.

Stupid brits and surrender monkeys needed someone to come handle their business.


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Re: Ryder Cup 2018 [Re: soggybottom] #12919300 10/01/18 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: soggybottom
the US should play on a course in Midland with no trees and no rough and completely flat so they can finally win one. It will be whoever drives it the furthest wins, just like most weekends on the PGA. Do we really have the talent?? name me one guy that is better than fairway jesus (fleetwood) or
Jon Rahm or Justin Rose? one?


In a Ryder Cup type event, the Europeans will do better, especially when its played in Europe. Thats not in dispute. That doesnt mean they are better golfers overall, since golf is played stroke play on the PGA. Stroke play is what Americans play 99% of the time.

Interesting stat: of the 956 total Ryder Cup matches in the 41 events, the US has won 465, Europe 358 and 133 have been halved.

(Edit: strategy is almost as important as who is playing, and we absolutely suck at picking qualified team captains and strategizing who should play with whom, and more importantly, against whom.)

Tommy Fleetwood: zero PGA tour wins
Jon Rahm: 2 PGA tour wins
Justin Rose: 9 PGA tour wins

You think the rankings are bunk, and the Europeans are better golfers, but the ones you named (all very good golfers who I like a lot) have a combined 11 PGA tour wins.

The Ryder Cup is an awesome event and great for golf, but it is not indicative of which continent has the overall better golfers anymore than saying whoever wins the John Deer Classic is the best golfer in the world.

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The Euro team picked the right course and set it up to their advantage and that is what they are suppose to do. The Americans didn't visit the course prior to tournament except for Justin Thomas who by the way played better than any other American played. The Americans didn't put the work in required to win and made no adjustments once they got there to try to play the course better. Our players can say that it means as much to them but it sure did not look like it this year. We have the talent but maybe not the heart!


Lotta truth here. Appeared to me the Americans and their wife's/girlfriends were on a weekend vacation. Probably spent their off hours site seeing instead of practice and meetings. Chances are Justin, Patrick and Tony didn't join them. They wanted to win and did.


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