... go with Anglers Inn. Or Ron Speeds
And why

I do not have anything to put a thumbs down on El Salto. It is a great Fishery and Anglers Inn is an excellent choice. I would like to share my experiences with you; if you will send me a PM. There is another option to fish twice as many days for half of the expense. Most have a problem getting off work for 10 days to make my trips.
Thanks,
Donald

Donald,,,,
While I appreciate the response, this is not about a new trip or a longer trip
I have been to El Salto, I like El Salto, there are �things� that make the trip to El Salto much better for me than a drive in trip to another lake.
I am trying to get opinions on the 2 camps at El Salto and what folks that have been to either or both have to say about them. I read their web sites and advertisements, but there is nothing better than personnel recommendations or stories
Thanks Again for the post

I've been to picachos,el salto and comedero with ron speed....could not ask for better experience at any one of the three places....good food,nice lodging,helpful and polite staff that do their best to insure you have a good time....my buddy and I caught over 600 bass including 57 bass over 6lbs,29 over 7lbs,6 over 8lbs and 5 over 9lbs at comerdero in april this year...
(I do not work for nor receive any type discounts from ron speed)...

I would have to say Anglers inn my self after numerous trips since 2002 no complaints. Just got back in from there in June and going back down for Christmas. The service and the food are top notch and the guides we use are good. Also when I take my wife she does not fish in the morning and they take care of everything for her while I am out. Also when she fishes the in the afternoon the guides make sure she taken care off also.

*** this is exactly what I am planning THIS TIME.
I just want to find out from someone what the Ron Speed group is REALLY like.
advertising is one thing, actual service is another
I know what I got at AI --- I know they will take of my wife in the mornings, breakfast, coffee, Spa treatments, massage etc etc
what will RS do ?

Your wife may not want to go home.

,,,,Donald,,,, you are right.
I didn't want to come home from there and I did not get a SPA TREATMENT,,,,just GREAT FISHING

I�ve been to Salto 10 times, Piscachos twice, and Bacarrac once. I�ll be making my 11th trip to Salto next Feb. I have stayed with Speed and at Anglers (Chapman) Both run a good camp and have good guides ( at least at Salto). Having said this I pefer Anglers Inn. Reasons are: no overnight stay in Mazatlan on return trip, transportation fee is included in payment to Anglers, and I believe that Anglers service is just a bit better and I also think the food may be a bit better. Having said this, both outfits are good!

anyone ever stay at the El Salto Lodge ???

I have. And I loved it!

THIS +1 I've been about 8 times...

We were at Anglers Inn in May... I have never been to ANY resort anywhere in the world that had the service of Anglers Inn. My honeymoon at a WELL KNOWN resort in the Dominican suuucked compared to how we were treated at Anglers Inn by the workers.

That said, I have not personally been with speeds. The reason I haven't is because I have a VERY close friend who I trust who went 1 year with him. He swore never to go again with Speeds. He tried to contact Speeds about the issues and never even got a response...

That was years ago, things might have changed... I'm just giving you the info I have.

You WONT be disappointed in Anglers, and Salto in Feb should be on fire

I have been to El Salto and Picachos with Ron Speed and have zero complaints. Going to Comodero with him in February. Food,lodging,drinks equipment and guides have been very good.

Hi folks! I am one of the two Mexico Bass Fishing operators mentioned in this thread...Ron Speed, Jr.

I am breaking my own rule of responding to posts involving my company/name...not just on this site but any social media site. I have always believed that a person such as myself, in the business of the topic at hand, has very little chance to sway public opinion on a social forum and my time would be better spent focusing on the things I do daily...and those things are coming up with ideas and ways to improve my business and also coming up with more promotional ideas. The reason I believe I stand very little chance of swaying public opinion on a public forum is that I believe each operator/outfitter mentioned on these sites has their own loyal customers that are happy with their chosen operator/outfitter and will not change...nor should they as long as they are happy with said operator/outffiter's services. However, today, I decided to make an exception with this one thread and give you good folks MY opinion on THIS subject.

Simply put, the two Mexico bass operators in the topic of discussion on this thread, have been doing this longer than anyone else in Mexico. My father and the other operator's father were two of the pioneers that started all of this fly in lodges on Mexican bass lakes approximately 50 years ago. My father and the other operator's father had some serious battles through the years but BOTH offered excellent fishing and services. Now it's the two sons that are on top (in my humble opinion) and BOTH (in my humble opinion) offer excellent fishing and services. Let's be real...two companies/operators, that have been as successful in this business and done it for over 3 decades with success, must be doing things right more times than not...that's just the basic truth and common sense tells us this to be FACT. Now do "we" hit some foul balls from time to time with service? Or do sometimes the fishing doesn't meet expectations? Absolutely! That said, if my operation hits a foul ball, I have always tried to make it right with the customer...and I am sure the other operator does the same. Thankfully there are more home runs than foul balls with BOTH operations.

I do not want to alienate others that are in this business and give the perception that the two operators mentioned in this thread are the only good choices. No, that's not true at all. There are some very, very good people operating in Mexico for bass fishing. They may not have been business as long as I have or the other operator mentioned in this thread but make no mistake about it, there are some that know what they're doing and offer excellent fishing and service. I am not a negative guy and have NEVER spoken negatively about my competition. I do not have any ongoing "competition wars" nor am I aware of having any enemies in this business. I focus on my business, my operations and try to improve...never becoming complacent. When approached and asked by my competition for help or to unite in an attempt to do something good for these lakes (such as manage and keep the commercial fishing/killing of the bass to a minimum), I am always willing to do my part.

I said I am not a negative person and I'm not...so don't take the following as a negative. I will simply tell you that no matter where you are looking to go fishing/hunting in this world and you're not certain on what operation to choose (?), then I would recommend researching the following...1) How long has the operator been in business? Don't stop there though because like I said, there are some very good operators in business but haven't been doing it as long as others in the same business. 2) What precautions does the operator take in terms of safety for his/her customers? We all know that "incidents" and accidents can and do happen...anywhere in the world. Even to those who go the extra mile to ensure customers' safety. It happens or can happen when you leave your house and drive down the road in your car. But ask your prospective operator what he/she does to ensure safety. 3) All the usual questions that most ask but do not ask my #1 and #2...and the usual questions are what type of boats, the menu or food served, facilities, experience of the guides, bilingual managers so there is someone to communicate with at all times while at the lodge, etc, etc. I would also add that you should ask about payment and cancellation policies. Our deposits, like in most fishing/hunting operations around the world, are non-refundable. However, I never let someone lose their money they've paid in should something come up and customer has to cancel. I simply issue a credit so that the customer can use later on when he/she is able to go.

Sorry for the long manuscript. Just wanted to offer some helpful advice to those who are reading and considering a trip and operator. I will say that the other operator mentioned in this thread offers outstanding trips and services. Just as I believe my company offers outstanding trips and services. Yes, we are competitors but we both must be doing a lot of things RIGHT to not only have survived this long in this very competitive business but also to have been as successful at it as well.

Good luck with your future fishing expeditions...to wherever and with whomever you choose!

RSpeedJr:
since I started this thread and am the one asking the opinions of others on here I will chime in.

I am sure you run a very good operation, whenever there is a public forum you will get one or two that want to "throw some shade" as the kids say nowdays. I always take that with a grain of salt. BUT---I have heard 99.9% positive comments on your operation.

I have been to Angler's Inn ,,,,, I know what they offer and the price they charge. I do not (other than your advertisements) know how what you offer (at this time)so I wanted to get opinions of those that have gone to your place, AI & even El Dalto Lodge w/ Pro Bass Adventures.

One of the reasons I posted on this forum and one of "MY" pet peeves about fishing camps and fishing lodges is the lack of updating your web sites (all 3 of you) with dates/rates/amenities/specials/what you furnish/transportation/ etc etc

such as your RSJr site --- I understand you now furnish poles (not reels) whereas before that would be an add-on charge, but it does not state that on your website --- same with transportation to/from airport and the nights stay the day before leaving.

all of your guys need to update your web sites and help those of us that want to go get good info BEFORE we call to start booking. You really are competing for the angler's business. Everyone working El Salto is a good operator --- but each offers something different. If I could find those things on the web sites I certainly would not be putting a thread on this forum.
Thanks in Advance for your help
By-the-way,,,,that includes returning emails, as I have sent 2 that have not been replied to.
I even joined your news letter subscription

EL SALTO is GREAT
Looking forward to taking my wife and son this time

here is one YOU can answer
,,,,, what is the monthly days the Tilapia fisherman can have their nets in the water ?

Always wanted to go but I have always wondered if it is safe down there?

,,,,safe as any poor neighborhood in Dallas / Houston. Probably safer.
I went to Angler's Inn last year and did not feel in the slightest "uncomfortable".
even the van ride from the airport to the lodge was great.
slept like a baby after just having a bottle ---- maybe that was because I did have a bottle or 3

We have been offering free use of rods at our lodges for approximately 10 years dating back to before my father retired in 2012. I've really stepped it up on amount of rods as well as quality of rods in the past 3 or 4 years. We do have this posted on our website in the "Packages" section where under each lake/package it's listed in the "INCLUDED" list. I apologize if this was difficult to find. We must do a better job with our site if this is a problem.

We also list in that section about ground transportation and costs.

As for the last night's stay at the lodges. First, at Comedero...last season we added new and upgraded our facilities in order to accommodate our customers that prefer to stay the last night at the lodge instead of traveling back to Mazatlan for the final night's stay. We offer this at El Salto and Picachos lodges ONLY if there is room. Naturally during the busy months (Dec - March) when we are running full 7 days each week, it's not possible. Our 4 days fishing client/groups arrive on Mondays, fish Tues - Fri, then spend the last night in Mazatlan because the 3 days fishing client/groups arrive on Fridays, fish Sat - Mon...then of course have to stay the final night in Mazatlan due to the 4 day fishing groups arriving that day. During our busy months of Dec through March, we're running full or close to full. One group leaves, new group arrives.

Your question at the end..."What is the monthly days the Tilapia fishermen can have their nets in the water?"

Answer: I always ask our customers or inquirers to never hold my feet to the fire on this as things are always subject to change or "sometimes" the commercial fishermen decide to not stick to the agreed schedule of nets in/out...but based upon our (all lodge owners) agreement with the commercial fishermen, they can put their nets in the water on the first day of each month, then they take them out on the 10th of each month, then take them out again on the 25th of each month. So basically, with the exception of February, there are two 5-day periods each month that they don't have the nets in the lake. This has been the schedule on El Salto for a number of years. All commercial fishing must cease on El Salto the 1st of May and nets cannot go back into the lake until September (or Oct?). So the nets are in the lake from October until the last day of April...with the exception of those two 5-day periods each month that I mentioned.

Edit: ON the days the nets are in/out each month...I left out AFTER the part where they take them out on the 10th of each month, then they put them back in on the 15th of each month, then take them out again on the 25th of each month. So the two 5-day periods they are out is from the 10th - 15th and 25th - last day of the month. February being the exception due to less days total in Feb. The last of the month not as many days out.

Now I will return to my "cubbyhole" as I have a newsletter to finish. However, if anyone has a question, you can e-mail me at ronjr@ronspeedadventures.com

flukeman, wishing you and your family a wonderful trip to El Salto!

PERFECT,,,, THANKS
finally --- a good answer
hurry up with that news letter ,,,,, I signed up for it yesterday