Seems like OSU may be in some hot water again....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2788...e-coach-in-2015

Imagine my surprise...

Well heck, its Urban and OSU why the surprise. Cover up, cover up then retire

why is Ohio Street getting blamed ?

His next move should be to Baylor.

Did you read the article?

dude has 9 lives. This is a touchy subject though

yeah
some of it

so they are blaming street, for letting the guy work there?
have the courts made a ruling, or did the wife leave holmes?

You don�t even have to read the article to figure it out

Is it just me, or does it feel like this is just not getting that much attention? If the dude would have patted one of the water girls on the backside then all hell would be breaking loose right now.

I agree

I believe you are over estimating the comprehension level of some members Jay...

If Brutus fires Meyer...David Beaty is available.

Urban must not be too concerned, he didn't have a nervous break down before this one broke.

Touchy subject and I don�t see enough objective information in that article to really form an opinion on it.

yahoo sports reporting tOSU just placed meyer on paid leave pending an investigation

to me it seems this went from a thunderstorm watch to a category 4 S-Storm in a couple of hours!

Allegations is the main word that stands out to me. The abuse allegations aren't against Meyer. Was he supposed to just fire someone over allegations? That's a very slippery slope. Any scorn female can claim anything. I only read a couple articles. Neither gave many details at all.
For the record. I'm a Buckeye hater.

"Cleveland.com on Wednesday identified nine reports from Powell police involving domestic disputes between the couple from 2012-18."

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...er-knew-15-case

so the wife stayed for 6 years of this?

One part that stands out to me is that Urban Liar�s wife is a nurse and instructor at OSU. If she knew of the abuse then she could land in some very hot water too.

Longer than that.
The alleged abuse began while Smith was coaching under Meyer at Florida.

Si' Senor
why would anybody go through that?

Women have been staying in abusive relationships since the beginning of relationships.
To a lesser extent, so have men.

I heard about Meyer today and couldn�t help but smile a little.

He'll be gone. I bet he makes more than Briles did on his buyout.

The more I think about the whole thing it sure seems like a possibility.

All the wives knew and have pics no way Urban didn't know he's toast.

What I heard on the radio early is both had/have a similar buyout price. About 40mil. Briles settled for 15mil.

Big 10 just cant act right

9/15 7pm

Unbelievable that TCU-Ohio State and Texas-USC will both be on at 7pm that night.
Good chance college gameday will be at one of the campuses.

Rumors of OSU actually firing him are starting circulate more. Urban Liar may be done at OSU.

Vegas is already putting up odds on his replacement.

What if he�s replaced by Briles

genius
except nothing will happen

Dayum that's pretty good buyout money.

Urban Meyer running his mouth about Tom Herman last year may want to handle his own business. Would not bother me one bit if they fire his cocky butt.

bottom line one of his coaches was abusing his wife, according to the reporter with the txt messages, meyer knew about it and kept him on the staff and lied about it. if thats the case no way tOSU can keep him. only way out is if those txt messages arent real, which, considering the dude posted pics, it looks like church. my guess he is gone inside a week.

Yeah I heard a bit on this one on the radio this AM during my short commute that Meyer's wife and the coach's wife being abused are good friends to the point she texted her pics of her bruises from the abuse. No way Meyer did not know about this...he is most likely toast.

It will be fun watching their fans come unravelled over the next couple months.

Funny how this seems to have been an on-going investigation, but this news of UM knowing breaks just before fall practice begins.

OSU fans are maniacs and they will be madder than a Baylor alum defending him, NO MATTER WHAT. They really do not care if Meyer murdered someone personally. They will defend him t the end.
Meyer knew. Why he went out on a limb for this guy is crazy. He had to know that this was going to be on him if anyone found out. He makes a billion dollars so why didn't he just give in 500k and tell him to find another job? makes no sense.

Rick!! I agree so much, we have the crazies up here. This will be fun

Title 9 violation is what is going to get him ultimately fired and his wife as well. They should have reported any suspected abuse.

not a fan of Urban Meyer nor am I trying to defend beating up your wife but firing the guys boss over it doesn't seem justified to me...
my reasoning is based on urban meyer as head coach at Ohio State is an extremely demanding job that has probably a couple hundred people including players reporting to him.....a man in that position has to prioritize, delegate and certainly can't get involved in the personal relationships his employees may have....plus there is always two sides to every story....

Joe Paterno got crucified and his reputation ruined in a similar situation in which he may have known a little about a problem but it was nowhere near top priority where you are trying to produce a winning football team just like Urban Meyer is...

So...if Meyer is fired what's OSU's record this year?
In 2011, after Tressel was fired, they went 6-7 after finishing 12-1 the previous season.
I say they go 9-4.

Probably who cares - who cares

I don't know who cares enough to make a prediction but I know who cares enough to post that they don't care.

The guy worked DIRECTLY for Meyer. He beat his wife/gf. Meyer knew. Meyers wife tried to squash it. So the fish stinks from the head down. When the wife of a coach is calling the cops on YOUR guy for beating her, that moves UP my priority list to #1A.

this exactly
i doubt Paterno ever even dreamed about that scenario being something people did

So, if I am a high end manager at a major corporation and one of my reports is rumored to be doing something illegal but there have been no convictions against him I am expected to fire him or lose my own job? There would be lawsuits on both parts because it would be illegal to have fired him on rumors. What makes college football any different.

I am not defending that DV is okay.

Corporations don't fall under Title IX. If you are an employee of an an Educational Institution you by law have to report any allegation of physical or sexual abuse so it can be investigated. In this case it was not reported. Same thing if a teacher suspects abuse of a student she has to report it or he/she will lose their job.

Well said.
Many folks don't understand the rules and try to compare apples to oranges.

How, is this title 9? .

who investigates them?
the NCAA
what authority do they have except to shut down your program & that will never happen

My understanding since the assistant coach is an employee of Ohio State and Meyers and his wife are employees of Ohio State. From Espn

"Meyer's contract extension signed in April includes language requiring him to report any violations by staff members of Ohio State's sexual misconduct policy to the university's athletics Title IX coordinator. Also, as an Ohio State employee who supervises others, Meyer is required by the university's sexual misconduct policy to report knowledge of domestic abuse by a university employee. According to the policy, "An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."

Meyer's original contract required him to promptly report any violations of university rules by assistant coaches to Gene Smith and the Office of Compliance Services. Failure to do so could result in termination with cause.

Meyer's contract states that if Ohio State is considering terminating with cause, he has the right to "explain the circumstances with his point of view before termination, unless the circumstances are so heinous that, in Ohio State's reasonable judgment, it would be impossible for [Meyer] to justify his actions"

Yes, I knew that as my wife works in the education system.

I guess I should have typed - 'If it is a rumor and has been investigated by the Law Enforcement entities but no charges have been filed, why would I be subject to lose my job as a college coach?' I could see it if me and my coach and our wives were out on the town and I witnessed it first hand and failed to report it then so be it but I don't believe that this is the case.

According to the policy, "An individual need not be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense to be found responsible for domestic violence pursuant to this policy."

The way I read it was Meyers Obligation to report any allegations so it can be investigated to determine if it is true or false.

common sense, which is sorely lacking among many of our educators,would tell you if the police have investigated and found no grounds to proceed further,it would be idiotic and inviting a lawsuit to fire or punish an employee for something a bunch of wives are texting back and forth...what would the consequences be if the wife was exaggerating or lying about the abuses and you fired the guy and ruined his career?...�
I can tell you the answer to that.....the head coach would lose his job,probably most of his money settling a lawsuit plus have a ruined career also...

I think they did the right thing, they just put him on leave until they get them before a judge. If they found out any of what has already been accused is true they will fire him.

If Tressel got fired for a few players exchanging some game jerseys for tattoos; things aren't looking good for Meyer.

If the police were notified by the abused person in 2015; what was the law enforcement action after that report?

You do realize that "for something a bunch of wives are texting back and forth" was about a man beating his wife?


You do realize that this man had the cops called to his home in two different states more than a half dozen times?

WOW!!!! Very open ended policy.

So my RB's coaches wife say he is an a--hat and is mean to her so I got to report it or risk my job and reputation. (Where is the BS Emoji?)

Hypothetical situation - I am the head coach for Michigan and am worried about being able to beat OSU so I hear a 'rumor' that UM yelled/ got aggressive with his wife or any other random person so I report it to the proper NCAA authorities so now he has to deal with that situation instead if beating Michigan.

I dont think its that hard to stop for a second and have to deal with a situation that includes "hey coach, your assistant is beating his wife all the time" "Look, man! Ive got UM next week, I got no TIME! for that!"

I think that may have been written into Meyers contract because of his shady dealings in Florida.

The rule/contract says you have to report it. I�m not saying I agree with Title IX or the way it�s written, but that seems to be pretty black and white. Meyer, just like Paterno, had a duty to report it.

This morning they were reporting that title 9 would not apply as the wife wasnt a member of faculty. Student, etc. Evidently there is case law on the books regarding this. The big issue is urban has been caught in an outright lie regarding subject matter that you really dont want to be in the middle of.

And I'm not a lawyer, I didnt stay in holiday inn, I'm merely puking up what the talking heads on the radio this morning were saying.

This is correct.

And for anyone who defends Urban Liar, needs to just remember who recruited, coached and turned a blind eye to Aaron Hernandez and his background.

I believe there is a quote from urban that people who lie should never coach again.

What would Woody have done?

I love college football and in No way I am condoning Domestic Violence, but I am not sure how men in charge are supposed to act in todays society. The coaches wife retroactively say something about her abuse, after the coach was already fired, and Urban Meyer is supposed to have fired the dude without a proper investigation in 2015?
If you want to see how screwy ESPN is getting, look at the amount of women writing stories about Meyer right now and what they are saying.
My guess is he is fired within the next week because the firestorm is too crazy.

I can't recall many high profile coaches coming back to work for that same team/school after being suspended. Especially in the times we currently live in where sexual harrassment and domestic abuse have started to garner a lot more attention.

I don't think he ever coaches another game at OSU.

Ask Zeke about this...

Will this take away from TCU�s victory?

Ahhh...counting your chickens...

throat punch a defensive lineman?

And a cameraman?

yeah
it wouldn't have happened to Woody

my prediction is nothing happens

Frogs already had this Urban or No-Urban

Who is the head coach suppose to report these rumors to? Just curious.

Damn straight

AD, police, school president. I don't see him coaching at Ohio St again. All the coach's wives knew so that would probably mean all the coach's knew. I can only think of one coach that was put on leave and kept his job and that was MacIntyre at Colorado.

the university compliance office. if he does that when he learns of a potential abuse situation, he's clean because it becomes their process to run, he has no further obligation.

His contract spells out exactly what he's supposed to do in such a situation, and it further states that failure to report may result in dismissal with cause. However his contract also states that prior to dismissal, he gets a chance to present his side of the story for consideration.

This is my understanding, too. Duty to report.

I will be surprised if they fire him.

Jimbo will be the next OSU HC

they will not do that
chance at the Championship

suspend him for a few days
get rid of holmes
some community events
business as usual

I think you might be right Butch, I also think the powers that be at OSU know that Urban would have a high profile job the day he hit the bricks if he so desires. I could see him at Michigan or Notre Dame, Urban Meyer is the 2nd best coach in college ball. This isn't Jim Tressle or Art Briles.

prior to retiring,I worked for several different employers over the years and none of them would have had any responsibility if I had beaten or abused my wife....I might have ended up in jail and my employer likely would have chosen to fire me but my employer would never be held accountable for my actions in my private life...
in the overall scheme of right and wrong,why should urban meyer bear any responsibility for what an employee does in his private life....

I think this clause in Meyer�s contract could be a problem. I�m no expert, but it does seem to place some culpability on Meyer. Whether it is enough to get him fired, no one knows.

New paragraph 4.1 (e) of Meyer's extension reads:

Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.

Because he signed a contract that covered such situations. He failed to follow said contract.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

I cant figure out how anybody feels title 9 applies

Agree. Spousal abuse allegations, which are probably true. But nothing to do with students. Urban weathers this storm I think.

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/confusion_over_title_ix_applic.html
interesting read here. its lengthy, but outlines in some detail strong arguments for and against the applicability of T9.
regardless of t9, the university policy and his contract are pretty clear.
and ultimately the court of public opinion weighs just as heavy as the actual legal aspects when it comes to domestic abuse.

Not saying that's good or bad, right or wrong, but in the last few years we have seen a tremendous shift in how such matters are handled . . . see ray rice circa 2014 vs zeke 2017. Zeke's case was much murkier than rice, but he got the hammer.

If/when Meyers get let go, Bob Stoops is out there for a replacement

I don�t think it should, but it will. One of the worst laws with the most unintended applications and consequences in history.

Without Urban, there would be no Tebow. Without Tebow, there would be no Tebow CURE.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2018/07/27...e-hospital.html

Without Urban we wouldn't know about Caines findings, it's fascinating

Tebow would have gone to Alabama, and Cam Newton would have brought three championships to Florida.

I don't think they have any choice, in the current atmosphere, he has to go. They gave him a chance to come clean when he signed his contract extension. He was supposed to report anything he had any previous knowledge of about abuse or allegations of abuse. He knew about the 2009 offenses when the coach was arrested. His wife had texts about the 2015 incidents including pictures. They are searching for any way to keep him, but they will not and he will likely be out of football for a few years or longer. Joe Pa was much more beloved at his school than Meyer and they had no choice.

I dont think this situation and Penn State have much in common.

again am no fan of urban meyer but urban didn't beat up his wife and he should not be held responsible for what an employee did in the privacy of the employee's own home...
if urban gets fired over this,you can bet other high profile coaches are going to demand some changes are made in their contracts to keep them from being sucked into a situation over which he had no control and probably limited knowledge or information.......

perhaps . . . OR maybe other coaches will realize they shouldn't cover up and look the other way for their wife beating dirtbag buddies they've kept on staff for years.

So I have been pondering this, now the only thing that makes me happier than yankee big 10 schools having a mess is dumpster fires in Austin so if anything I'm all for the firing of Urban typically and I think he is a slime bag in general. That said and working under the idea that this is not a title 9 matter in my opinion I'll say this. It sounds like the marriage was an ongoing mess, it sounds like the wife was a goof also, in this day and age with police, sheriffs office, hotlines, countless groups she could go to, her parents, etc, etc her solution is to text urbans wife, why do that? I'm not condoning the domestic violence in whatever level it occurred, The mistake Urban made is not firing the guy sooner just for the couple being a mess. I'm betting this was the disaster couple that gets in fights at parties and public places and makes an area of themselves, drags everyone into their mess, I believe the wife said all the coaches wives knew, probably cause they act like idiots. I'm guessing Meyer is a major type a person who is probably pretty wrapped up in what he does for a living, I could easily see a scenario where his wife says that this couple is having problems again and depending on what was on his mind he blew it off as same old same old and moved on with whatever he was working on
I have a business partner that gets in a super focused mode and when in a certain mindset its gotta be something massive to get his attention or really even register and there is a good chance it wont be remembered depending on how deep in a project he is.

Kind of a bizarre statement from Meyer today:

https://sports.yahoo.com/urban-meyer-admits-knew-abuse-allegations-ex-wr-coach-2015-204339591.html

In some of the texts made public it sure seems Smith admits to choking his wife while on vacation. Meyer's statement is all over the place.

I read some of Urbana release the watched the asst. coaches interview. Up till then I thought that OSU would find a way to save his job,
Both effed up pretty bad

I agree on both accounts. The more I think about it, Meyer�s statement might have been an effort to implicate the higher ups at OSU. He says he did report it properly. That means, if that�s true, he isn�t going to be the patsy and others are going down with him. Not sure if it will work, but I think that was the purpose of the statement.

So I wonder with today�s attitude, me too, sue happy society. How does OSU keep Meyers?
Yes there are a couple coaches out there. But with transfers coaching changes and then add the bad rep recruiting will fall off too.
Seeing what happened to other schools I personally do not believe OSU would want to fire him. They could lay any discipline on him and he would happily take it just to stay.

But do they fire him?

The words no comment would have gone a long way in that presser wouldn't they.

Yep. He screwed himself with the way he replied regardless of his innocence or not. The NCAA might have a few sanctions as well if this thing plays out and there is any validity to it all.

Bob Stoopes to Ohio State?

i highly doubt it. certainly possible, but stoops is a different cat. when he took the job at Okla, he said he would not coach into his 60s ... and for a bit of background, his dad dropped dead coaching in his 60s with a heart defect. Bob inherited this same heart condition, and doesnt want to follow the same path and leave his kids with no dad. also both his sons are about to start playing at okla, so he probably wants to sit in his cushy vip skybox and watchhis boys play on saturdays.

having said all that, you never know with coaches, but i think he is enjoying retirement.

This just in

Mrs Saban looking at homes in Columbus

Probably just buying one to flip. They bought a couple in Austin a few years ago according to some on here.......

man that was hilarious
when the sips thought he was going there

Love it. I also enjoy the flight trackers that follow a university booster�s private plane flying from university city A to university city B. Never gets old.

It was never the sips that thought it.
And yes, it was hilarious watching geniuses like you debate the validity of the story.

I recall Ratz being one of the guys that posted it.

Lol

Most sip fans are a little thin skinned as well. Yes they thought Saban was coming to Tx.

The name that seems to be big if the job opens is Matt Campbell but it wouldn't happen til after the season and by then there could be 15 different names for that job

Also recall some saying Texas was a higher profile job than Bama.

Lol

Mack Brown is available.

I'm sure they all got locked, deleted, and me on the wall.