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#12849622 - 08/01/18 11:30 AM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: adam_p]
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Originally Posted By: adam_p
Originally Posted By: Arkansas10 bass
Originally Posted By: RayBob



Very good read.


They didn't research very well. You can finish an 80% lower with a drill press. A router helps, but it can be done with a drill press. Milling machine is definitely not necessary. The polymer80 glock frames are even easier. There is a guy on youtube finishing one on his tailgate with hand tools.

"The Gun Control Act of 1968 and associated legislation restrict the buying and selling of weapons. This still leaves the possibility of legally making your own weapon. That doesn’t just mean crude zip-guns made from basement parts: It turns out that it’s easy to buy most of an assault-style rifle—the upper receiver, barrel, and stock—prefabricated. The tricky bit is the lower receiver, which is where the most complicated mechanisms of such a firearm reside. A cottage industry supplies blocks of metal that are 80 percent finished lower receivers. It’s up to the aspiring DIY gunmaker to machine mill the final 20 percent of the piece so that it can accommodate the functional guts of an automatic rifle, including the trigger mechanism.

This requires high-end technical equipment and specialized skills. The typical method of finishing a lower receiver involves a shop-grade computer numerical controlled (or CNC) milling machine capable of precisely cutting aluminum. "


^^^That's why I was wondering what law the judge used to block it.

I can buy a kit gun on-line. Making your own gun is a non-issue.

Good guys don't need to and bad guys can get a gun with far less effort.

https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/category/Pistol-kit

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#12849968 - 08/01/18 05:25 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: John175®]
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Originally Posted By: John175®
Originally Posted By: adam_p
Originally Posted By: Arkansas10 bass
Originally Posted By: RayBob



Very good read.


They didn't research very well. You can finish an 80% lower with a drill press. A router helps, but it can be done with a drill press. Milling machine is definitely not necessary. The polymer80 glock frames are even easier. There is a guy on youtube finishing one on his tailgate with hand tools.

"The Gun Control Act of 1968 and associated legislation restrict the buying and selling of weapons. This still leaves the possibility of legally making your own weapon. That doesn’t just mean crude zip-guns made from basement parts: It turns out that it’s easy to buy most of an assault-style rifle—the upper receiver, barrel, and stock—prefabricated. The tricky bit is the lower receiver, which is where the most complicated mechanisms of such a firearm reside. A cottage industry supplies blocks of metal that are 80 percent finished lower receivers. It’s up to the aspiring DIY gunmaker to machine mill the final 20 percent of the piece so that it can accommodate the functional guts of an automatic rifle, including the trigger mechanism.

This requires high-end technical equipment and specialized skills. The typical method of finishing a lower receiver involves a shop-grade computer numerical controlled (or CNC) milling machine capable of precisely cutting aluminum. "


^^^That's why I was wondering what law the judge used to block it.

I can buy a kit gun on-line. Making your own gun is a non-issue.

Good guys don't need to and bad guys can get a gun with far less effort.

https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/category/Pistol-kit


Even being a muzzle loader that would better than "the liberator" that they have suddenly become so enamored with.

BTW, the feds tried 3d printing a gun. It blew up, just like they all do.

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#12849977 - 08/01/18 05:30 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: adam_p]
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Originally Posted By: adam_p
Originally Posted By: Arkansas10 bass
Originally Posted By: RayBob



Very good read.


They didn't research very well. You can finish an 80% lower with a drill press. A router helps, but it can be done with a drill press. Milling machine is definitely not necessary. The polymer80 glock frames are even easier. There is a guy on youtube finishing one on his tailgate with hand tools.

"The Gun Control Act of 1968 and associated legislation restrict the buying and selling of weapons. This still leaves the possibility of legally making your own weapon. That doesn’t just mean crude zip-guns made from basement parts: It turns out that it’s easy to buy most of an assault-style rifle—the upper receiver, barrel, and stock—prefabricated. The tricky bit is the lower receiver, which is where the most complicated mechanisms of such a firearm reside. A cottage industry supplies blocks of metal that are 80 percent finished lower receivers. It’s up to the aspiring DIY gunmaker to machine mill the final 20 percent of the piece so that it can accommodate the functional guts of an automatic rifle, including the trigger mechanism.

This requires high-end technical equipment and specialized skills. The typical method of finishing a lower receiver involves a shop-grade computer numerical controlled (or CNC) milling machine capable of precisely cutting aluminum. "


For sake of argument.... any decent mill and lathe - completly manual operated can be used to make a firearm. And there a books and forums full of info how to do it. its still very hard,and yes requires skills. several skills. and money. lots of money lol.

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#12849989 - 08/01/18 05:45 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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I've built 3 silencers now. I don't own a lathe, but I have access to one.



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#12850051 - 08/01/18 06:48 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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#12851094 - 08/02/18 03:12 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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#12851167 - 08/02/18 03:52 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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I just use the copy function on my printer. Not as pristine as the original but goes bang when the trigger is pulled.


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#12851170 - 08/02/18 03:54 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: John175®]
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Originally Posted By: John175®
I just use the copy function on my printer. Not as pristine as the original but goes bang when the trigger is pulled.




Dang. Wish I would have thought of that. grin
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#12851231 - 08/02/18 04:51 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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Can you imagine thousands of felons or disturbed minors (who may want to shoot up their old school) printing out their own guns?

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#12851243 - 08/02/18 05:02 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: TexasBlonde]
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Can you imagine thousands of felons or disturbed minors (who may want to shoot up their old school) printing out their own guns?

I can imagine them without fingers and hands when the "gun" blows up on em.
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#12851244 - 08/02/18 05:02 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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Much easier to build a zip gun if you have criminal intent. Not much point in creating a paper/electronic trail.

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#12851278 - 08/02/18 05:42 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: TexasBlonde]
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Can you imagine thousands of felons or disturbed minors (who may want to shoot up their old school) printing out their own guns?


No.

Why?

Because these guns are single shots. Put one bullet in, fire, reload, if the gun is still together and you still have a hand. The feds 3d printed a gun with these plans, it blew up on the first shot as most of them do.

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#12851283 - 08/02/18 05:49 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: Dan90210 ☮]
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this is much much cheaper to do.


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#12851293 - 08/02/18 06:06 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: adam_p]
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Originally Posted By: adam_p
this is much much cheaper to do.



Oh no, we will have to ban pipe, steel, nuts and bolts too!
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#12851297 - 08/02/18 06:09 PM Re: Blueprints for printing 3D guns... [Re: TexasBlonde]
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Originally Posted By: TexasBlonde
Can you imagine thousands of felons or disturbed minors (who may want to shoot up their old school) printing out their own guns?


Can I imagine felons or disturbed minors breaking the law and murdering someone? Yes, quite easily. Spending a ton of money on a 3D printer and printing a plastic single shot gun that isn’t reliable or safe is not going to be an issue with those two groups.

They will buy one off the streets, or steal one. They’re not going to print a gun. Regardless, how other people use technology should not infringe on the ability of others to use technology.
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