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#12820603 - 07/08/18 04:35 PM Do I have a major transom issue?
csmithag95 Offline
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UPDATE 07/17/2018******** After leaving the Legend at Classic Fiberglass for a week, they finally have started looking into the issue. It isn't resolved yet, and no official word form them on whether they are backing their work done in April 2018.


I recently purchased a 2005 Legend LE21, I've had it about 3 weeks and have had it out only a few times. When covering it yesterday I noticed this gap between what I assume to be the top cap and the transom. The previous owner had the top cap worked on, as well as the transom at Classic Fiberglass in February this year. I didn't get a full explanation of the work on the transom but was told that the work was guaranteed and the transom was solid for life with a transferrable warranty. I was satisfied with that and when my mechanic checked the boat he didn't say anything other than, its a good boat, you should buy it. Ok so I did. And now I notice this. Is this normal? Is it just that somehow the top cap is detached from the transom, or is this the sign of a failure somehow? I am a new boat owner when it comes to fiberglass, and although I don't LIKE the look of this, I'm hoping to hear that this type of "flex" is normal.
Can anyone help?

I am planning to take the boat to Classic Fiberglass tomorrow no matter what, but I can't sleep not knowing what this is. Thanks.

A video of my transom issue. I posted a video here


Edited by csmithag95 (Yesterday at 05:14 PM)

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#12820671 - 07/08/18 05:40 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
Woods & Water Offline
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I just watched your video and that is not normal, you need repair work done before launching again. Sorry this happened to you, but maybe shop will stand behind their work.

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#12820708 - 07/08/18 06:28 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: Woods & Water]
rb7764 Offline
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Definitely not right. Need to have it repaired before you launch it again.

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#12820767 - 07/08/18 07:16 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
Marc-62 Offline
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You have a major transom issue. You need a good fiberglass man that specializes in boat repairs to take a look & tell you what's going on. It could get expensive really fast for a good repair . Good luck


Edited by Marc-62 (07/08/18 07:17 PM)

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#12820783 - 07/08/18 07:35 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
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You get any records/paperwork regarding the work that was done and the warranty associated with it? Worried that you may show up there tomorrow and they tell you they’ve never even seen that boat. Given the condition of that transom, very hard to believe any work has ever been done on it. Best of luck to you.

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#12820907 - 07/08/18 09:13 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: PlanoPaul]
BigDozer66 Offline
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Originally Posted By: PlanoPaul
You get any records/paperwork regarding the work that was done and the warranty associated with it? Worried that you may show up there tomorrow and they tell you they’ve never even seen that boat. Given the condition of that transom, very hard to believe any work has ever been done on it. Best of luck to you.


Sadly this^ frown

I hope it looked a lot better than that when you bought it?
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#12820914 - 07/08/18 09:16 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
ssmith Offline
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if the boat looked like it does in the video when you had your boat guy inspect it an he said it was good you need to find another boat guy.

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#12820957 - 07/08/18 09:54 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
csmithag95 Offline
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Thanks to all that replied. I do have a paid invoice from the repair shop with a warranty.

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#12820992 - 07/08/18 10:40 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
grout-scout Offline
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Do NOT run that boat again until you have it fixed! That is bad, real bad. Like, your motor can fall off while driving down the lake bad. Or worse, your motor could end up in the seat next to you.

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#12821027 - 07/09/18 12:16 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
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Holy Cow!!!! Not good at all. Classic Fiberglass worked on that Top cap & transom in February of this year???? Wow..
oh yeah, get a new mechanic!!!! ASAP!!
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#12821176 - 07/09/18 08:43 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
PlanoPaul Online   content
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Please let us know if Classic Fiberglass really did do work on this boat so we know where NOT to take our boats for repairs....

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#12821596 - 07/09/18 01:33 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
csmithag95 Offline
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Update: the transom and top cap were worked by classic in APRIL. Just left there and they are making the repairs now. I was relieved to know they honor their work but pretty disappointed in their work manahip. Hopefully they make it right. I’ll keep this post up to date. 2 week lead time.

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#12821626 - 07/09/18 01:48 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
Huckleberry Offline
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I hope you didn't pay very much for that boat. I would ask your mechanic to come by the house, then show him the transom .... ask him to get real close and look hard, then hit him in the back of the head smashing his face into the the transom and ask him if he sees anything wrong with it.

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#12821842 - 07/09/18 04:11 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: Huckleberry]
csmithag95 Offline
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In all fairness, it did NOT look like this when I got it. When I talked to Classic repair guy today, he explained that they adhere the top cap onto the transom expecting that the knee braces and fiberglass will do their job and there should not be much stress on the joint between the top cap and the actual transom. So when the transom knee brace failed, it caused all of the cosmetic dressings to come apart. Which, I'm actually thankful that it "looked bad" before it actually blew up and the motor dropped in the lake.

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#12822036 - 07/09/18 06:45 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
CraZyNOTRT Offline
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Was the whole transom replaced?

The knee braces failed because there is WAY to much flex in that transom. Knee braces help support the transom and transfer the energy of the motor to the rest of the boat only in ONE direction, FORWARD.

There should be almost no flex in the transom, even if there were no knee braces. Looks like a bad transom or bad transom tie-in with the hull of the boat (not enough fiberglass).

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#12822291 - 07/09/18 09:41 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
grout-scout Offline
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Originally Posted By: csmithag95
Update: the transom and top cap were worked by classic in APRIL. Just left there and they are making the repairs now. I was relieved to know they honor their work but pretty disappointed in their work manahip. Hopefully they make it right. I’ll keep this post up to date. 2 week lead time.


I don’t want to dog pile...but, barely 3 months on the repair. OMG
I hope they get you taken care of. You are using some sort of transom saver device while traveling/trailering, right?

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#12822320 - 07/09/18 10:01 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
Gamblinman Online   content
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Cryin shame. Sorry for your troubles.

Top cap will have to come off to fix that properly. New stringers, knee braces and re-set the transom, and whatever else is found. Be sure and stand your ground on repair, and let us know after.

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#12822718 - 07/10/18 10:13 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
csmithag95 Offline
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I have been using the internal style transom saver, as opposed to the ones that extend to your trailer. Does anyone have an opinion on if either one is better?

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#12822720 - 07/10/18 10:15 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
PlanoPaul Online   content
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You might mention that the entire state of Texas is following this repair on the TFF.... popcorn2

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#12822916 - 07/10/18 12:52 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
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I've had Classic do some repairs to my boat and they will always make it right if there is a problem. Chris is one of the most conscientious businessmen I know and he understands his reputation is his livelihood.
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#12823631 - 07/10/18 08:54 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: texasbass1]
rb7764 Offline
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Loc: Frisco, TX, USA
Those are not really transom savers. Some keep the motor from turning side to side during transport and some take the pressure off the tilt trim. A true transom saver will transfer the torsional load from the motor to the trailer during transport rather than that load going to the transom and causing it to flex. There is lots of misinformation out there about this, but the physics are the physics.

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#12823853 - 07/10/18 11:52 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
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Physics are physics. Its a one piece aluminum bar. IF it transfers motor shock TO the trailer, it will ALSO transfer trailer shock TO the motor & transom. The transom SHOULD be capable of handling ANY load /shock the motor puts on it during transport. It takes lots more stress/loads/shocks while boat is in water running. I use the Motor Toter style. If my transom won't handle hauling my 250 down the road, I dang sure won't trust it to go across a lake at 70+mph OR take on 3-4 waves in a storm. I don't want the added trailer vibrations transferred to my motor. Boat sits on 4 carpeted bunks & has springs on axles to absorb jolts. Not gonna put a rigid bar from trailer to motor. That's my personal preference.

I'm SURE Classic Fiberglass WILL repair that boat fully!!! Any business can have one failed job. That's the first & ONLY one Ive ever heard or seen that they done. They're in the business & im SURE they appreciate that you are giving the opportunity to correct it. I'll assure you it's a fluke. Its the .01% that has failed. All their work (99.99%)seems to be TOP quality.


Edited by Curtbass (07/11/18 12:01 AM)
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#12824476 - 07/11/18 02:42 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
J IRWIN Offline
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I PURCHASED AND STILL OWN TODAY A 2006 LEGEND THAT HAD THIS SAME ISSUE.I ALSO DO FIBERGLASS REPAIR WORK FOR A LIVING AND HAVE FIXED OVER 20 LEGENDS WITH THIS SAME PROBLEM.IF COMPOSITE TRANSOM IS NOT SHATTERED ,THE MOTOR AND FUEL TANK WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED. CUT OUT THE INNER DECK SUPPORT PANEL AND GLASS THE DECK TO TRANSOM TOP (INSIDE). ALSO ON THE OUTSIDE THE DECK NEEDS TO BE CUT AWAY 2" AT TRANSOM EDGE AND GLASSED TOGETHER. I HAVE ALSO FIXED MANY SKEETERS , RANGERS, TRITONS ,CHAMPIONS ,ETC...WITH SOME FORM OF (BROKE)TRANSOM DAMAGES NOT CAUSED BY IMPACT IN WATER. ALL TRANSPORT DAMAGES. A TRUE TRANSOM SAVER COUNTER RELIEVES THE MOTOR (BIG JACK PLATES AND POWER POLES) FROM TRYING TO FALL OFF THE BOAT IN TRANSPORT. A (MOTOR TOTER) RELIEVES PRESSURE ON THE TILT / TRIM SYSTEM NOT THE TRANSOM. WHEN DRIVING ACROSS A LAKE THE MOTOR IS PUSHING THE TRANSOM , KNEE BRACES AND STRINGERS. HOPE THIS ADVICE HELPS ALL WHO ARE WATCHING THIS POST. I SHARE THIS INFO. WITH ALL OF MY CUSTOMERS.

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#12824692 - 07/11/18 04:44 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
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I had a 05 Le 21 just like this. My transom did the same thing. I took it back to the legend plant in Arkansas. They told me it would be 3 to 4 weeks. Ended up being 10 weeks and was like pulling teeth to get my boat back. When I bought the boat from lmc marine in houston, they never mentioned a transferable warranty to the second owner which I was. Cost me 3000$ for legend to fix a 6 year old boat. I hope your repair goes smother than mine. That's part of the reason I am not running a legend anymore.

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#12825541 - 07/12/18 10:33 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: J IRWIN]
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Originally Posted By: J IRWIN
I PURCHASED AND STILL OWN TODAY A 2006 LEGEND THAT HAD THIS SAME ISSUE.I ALSO DO FIBERGLASS REPAIR WORK FOR A LIVING AND HAVE FIXED OVER 20 LEGENDS WITH THIS SAME PROBLEM.IF COMPOSITE TRANSOM IS NOT SHATTERED ,THE MOTOR AND FUEL TANK WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED. CUT OUT THE INNER DECK SUPPORT PANEL AND GLASS THE DECK TO TRANSOM TOP (INSIDE). ALSO ON THE OUTSIDE THE DECK NEEDS TO BE CUT AWAY 2" AT TRANSOM EDGE AND GLASSED TOGETHER. I HAVE ALSO FIXED MANY SKEETERS , RANGERS, TRITONS ,CHAMPIONS ,ETC...WITH SOME FORM OF (BROKE)TRANSOM DAMAGES NOT CAUSED BY IMPACT IN WATER. ALL TRANSPORT DAMAGES. A TRUE TRANSOM SAVER COUNTER RELIEVES THE MOTOR (BIG JACK PLATES AND POWER POLES) FROM TRYING TO FALL OFF THE BOAT IN TRANSPORT. A (MOTOR TOTER) RELIEVES PRESSURE ON THE TILT / TRIM SYSTEM NOT THE TRANSOM. WHEN DRIVING ACROSS A LAKE THE MOTOR IS PUSHING THE TRANSOM , KNEE BRACES AND STRINGERS. HOPE THIS ADVICE HELPS ALL WHO ARE WATCHING THIS POST. I SHARE THIS INFO. WITH ALL OF MY CUSTOMERS.


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#12825596 - 07/12/18 11:09 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: J IRWIN]
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Originally Posted By: J IRWIN
I PURCHASED AND STILL OWN TODAY A 2006 LEGEND THAT HAD THIS SAME ISSUE.I ALSO DO FIBERGLASS REPAIR WORK FOR A LIVING AND HAVE FIXED OVER 20 LEGENDS WITH THIS SAME PROBLEM.IF COMPOSITE TRANSOM IS NOT SHATTERED ,THE MOTOR AND FUEL TANK WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED. CUT OUT THE INNER DECK SUPPORT PANEL AND GLASS THE DECK TO TRANSOM TOP (INSIDE). ALSO ON THE OUTSIDE THE DECK NEEDS TO BE CUT AWAY 2" AT TRANSOM EDGE AND GLASSED TOGETHER. I HAVE ALSO FIXED MANY SKEETERS , RANGERS, TRITONS ,CHAMPIONS ,ETC...WITH SOME FORM OF (BROKE)TRANSOM DAMAGES NOT CAUSED BY IMPACT IN WATER. ALL TRANSPORT DAMAGES. A TRUE TRANSOM SAVER COUNTER RELIEVES THE MOTOR (BIG JACK PLATES AND POWER POLES) FROM TRYING TO FALL OFF THE BOAT IN TRANSPORT. A (MOTOR TOTER) RELIEVES PRESSURE ON THE TILT / TRIM SYSTEM NOT THE TRANSOM. WHEN DRIVING ACROSS A LAKE THE MOTOR IS PUSHING THE TRANSOM , KNEE BRACES AND STRINGERS. HOPE THIS ADVICE HELPS ALL WHO ARE WATCHING THIS POST. I SHARE THIS INFO. WITH ALL OF MY CUSTOMERS.


Have you ever had to repair the transom on a Bullet?

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#12826140 - 07/12/18 04:27 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
csmithag95 Offline
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Registered: 03/08/16
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Great information from everyone, and so far the Classic staff has been nothing but courteous and I'll be sure to better watch out for the type of repair they do and be sure it is complete as suggested by all here. Thank you again.

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#12826144 - 07/12/18 04:28 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: crankbait745]
csmithag95 Offline
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Registered: 03/08/16
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Originally Posted By: crankbait745
I had a 05 Le 21 just like this. My transom did the same thing. I took it back to the legend plant in Arkansas. They told me it would be 3 to 4 weeks. Ended up being 10 weeks and was like pulling teeth to get my boat back. When I bought the boat from lmc marine in houston, they never mentioned a transferable warranty to the second owner which I was. Cost me 3000$ for legend to fix a 6 year old boat. I hope your repair goes smother than mine. That's part of the reason I am not running a legend anymore.


Although I'd rather think mine was one-off, it is good to know that it happens as something systematic and might not be from any major impact or neglect by the previous owner.

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#12826145 - 07/12/18 04:29 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: Curtbass]
csmithag95 Offline
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Registered: 03/08/16
Posts: 18
Originally Posted By: Curtbass
Physics are physics. Its a one piece aluminum bar. IF it transfers motor shock TO the trailer, it will ALSO transfer trailer shock TO the motor & transom. The transom SHOULD be capable of handling ANY load /shock the motor puts on it during transport. It takes lots more stress/loads/shocks while boat is in water running. I use the Motor Toter style. If my transom won't handle hauling my 250 down the road, I dang sure won't trust it to go across a lake at 70+mph OR take on 3-4 waves in a storm. I don't want the added trailer vibrations transferred to my motor. Boat sits on 4 carpeted bunks & has springs on axles to absorb jolts. Not gonna put a rigid bar from trailer to motor. That's my personal preference.

I'm SURE Classic Fiberglass WILL repair that boat fully!!! Any business can have one failed job. That's the first & ONLY one Ive ever heard or seen that they done. They're in the business & im SURE they appreciate that you are giving the opportunity to correct it. I'll assure you it's a fluke. Its the .01% that has failed. All their work (99.99%)seems to be TOP quality.



Thanks for your encouragement. I look forward to seeing what they come up with.

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#12826499 - 07/12/18 09:11 PM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: csmithag95]
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#12830124 - 07/16/18 11:38 AM Re: Do I have a major transom issue? [Re: Huckleberry]
J IRWIN Offline
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I HAVE NOT FIXED A BULLET YET WITH UPPER TRANSOM ISSUES. IF EVERYONE WOULD TAKE A MOMENT AND STAND BACK AWAY FROM YOUR BOAT (VISION). FROM THE TRANSOM WE ADD LENGTH WITH A JACK PLATE ,THEN BOLT A HEAVY MOTOR TO IT. MAY BE EVEN AND POWER POLES OR TALONS THAT ALSO BOLT TO JACK PLATE. THERE IS A LOT OF WEIGHT HANGING OFF THE TRANSOM. THIS WEIGHT IN TRANSPORT IS TRYING TO FALL OFF THE REAR OF BOAT (WATCH YOUR MOTOR WHEN GOING OVER RAILROAD TRACKS). THE SUPPORT THAT A TRANSOM SAVER (FROM TRAILER TO LOWER UNIT) OFFERS IS TO KEEP MOTOR FROM TRYING TO BUCK ITS SELF DOWNWARD. IF YOU THINK THERE IS NO MOVEMENT , THEN WHY EVEN USE TIE DOWNS ON YOUR BOAT.I HAVE ALREADY GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE MOTOR IS DOING WHILE ON THE WATER (PUSHING).

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