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School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 07:40 PM
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I created this graph and thought I'd share. I also did the math adjusting for population. As a percentage of the population, school shootings are up 272% compared to 1850 and 325% since 1940 (things had actually gotten better there for a while)
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
[Re: Jpurdue]
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05/18/18 07:48 PM
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Factors that come to mind:
1) population density 2) over-connectedness (24 hour 'news cycle', social media, electronic media/cable TV)
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 07:53 PM
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Factors that come to mind:
1) population density 2) over-connectedness (24 hour 'news cycle', social media, electronic media/cable TV) That may play a small part, but the systematic and willful breakdown of gender/parental roles and family values is closer to the heart of the matter.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:03 PM
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Factors that come to mind:
1) population density 2) over-connectedness (24 hour 'news cycle', social media, electronic media/cable TV) That may play a small part, but the systematic and willful breakdown of gender/parental roles and family values is closer to the heart of the matter. Both of these plus ignoring mental problems and depression and video games.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
[Re: Jpurdue]
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05/18/18 08:08 PM
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A few quick questions: How are you defining what is a school shooting?
Where are you getting records and can they be verified (especially the stuff from the 19th century)?
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
[Re: Jpurdue]
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05/18/18 08:11 PM
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Here's the chart as a percentage of the population. You can see the wheels started to come off in the 1980's.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:13 PM
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A few quick questions: How are you defining what is a school shooting?
Where are you getting records and can they be verified (especially the stuff from the 19th century)?
I simply took the Wikipedia article posted on the other thread and popped it into a spreadsheet. I obviously have not nor do I plan to scrub that data. So absorb this information like anything else you would on the web; with caution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
[Re: Jpurdue]
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05/18/18 08:15 PM
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Here's the chart as a percentage of the population. You can see the wheels started to come off in 1980. Isnt that about the start of the millennial birth?
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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A few quick questions: How are you defining what is a school shooting?
Where are you getting records and can they be verified (especially the stuff from the 19th century)?
I simply took the Wikipedia article posted on the other thread and popped it into a spreadsheet. I obviously have not nor do I plan to scrub that data. So absorb this information like anything else you would on the web; with caution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States Very poor stats. "A criminal justice club student picked up a loaded gun, belonging to an advisor, which the student thought was an unloaded training weapon. She then shot at a wall target, unintentionally firing a bullet, which went through the wall and broke a window. The advisor was a licensed peace officer permitted to carry a firearm on campus" That isn't a school shooting.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:23 PM
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"Central Michigan University shooting: 19-year-old student James Eric Davis Jr. shot and killed his mother and father when they came to campus to take him home for spring break. After the shooting Davis fled and the campus was placed on lockdown. Around 15 hours later police arrested him and took him to a local hospital. The incident disrupted the travel plans of students and campus activities for several days. Davis was charged with two counts of murder and one count of unlawful possession of a firearm used to commit murder."
Not a school shooting.
"A police officer was shot outside a school in a school zone while he was directing school buses into J.B. Martin Middle School, and the suspect was apprehended at the scene"
Not a school shooting.
"A teenager was found killed in the parking lot of Tenaya Middle School. The shooting was reported to have occurred after school hours"
Not a school shooting.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:24 PM
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Very poor stats.
"A criminal justice club student picked up a loaded gun, belonging to an advisor, which the student thought was an unloaded training weapon. She then shot at a wall target, unintentionally firing a bullet, which went through the wall and broke a window. The advisor was a licensed peace officer permitted to carry a firearm on campus"
That isn't a school shooting.
Do you have better stats? So take that data point out... In fact take out 10% of them. Heck take out 50% of them. The story is still black and white. OR, are you arguing school shootings are actually not more common now than they were in decades past? My goal here was to start a discussion about what's changed here since the 1980's. Something has.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:28 PM
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"Central Michigan University shooting: 19-year-old student James Eric Davis Jr. shot and killed his mother and father when they came to campus to take him home for spring break. After the shooting Davis fled and the campus was placed on lockdown. Around 15 hours later police arrested him and took him to a local hospital. The incident disrupted the travel plans of students and campus activities for several days. Davis was charged with two counts of murder and one count of unlawful possession of a firearm used to commit murder."
Not a school shooting.
"A police officer was shot outside a school in a school zone while he was directing school buses into J.B. Martin Middle School, and the suspect was apprehended at the scene"
Not a school shooting.
"A teenager was found killed in the parking lot of Tenaya Middle School. The shooting was reported to have occurred after school hours"
Not a school shooting.
The list would be better described as "death resulting from violence on school grounds" Not all of them are traditional mass shootings. That's true up and down the data set. On the net net, it paints a real story. School shootings have gone up dramatically overtime. Present data to the contrary, or lets get back to a meaningful conversation.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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Very poor stats.
"A criminal justice club student picked up a loaded gun, belonging to an advisor, which the student thought was an unloaded training weapon. She then shot at a wall target, unintentionally firing a bullet, which went through the wall and broke a window. The advisor was a licensed peace officer permitted to carry a firearm on campus"
That isn't a school shooting.
Do you have better stats? So take that data point out... In fact take out 10% of them. Heck take out 50% of them. The story is still black and white. OR, are you arguing school shootings are actually not more common now than they were in decades past? My goal here was to start a discussion about what's changed here since the 1980's. Something has. No, I'm saying crappy stats are not stats at all. The stats you are using are the stats developed by gun control groups to make the problem seem much worse than it is. They take anything they can twist around to involve a school and call it a school shooting. There is definitely a problem but be honest about it.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:30 PM
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"Central Michigan University shooting: 19-year-old student James Eric Davis Jr. shot and killed his mother and father when they came to campus to take him home for spring break. After the shooting Davis fled and the campus was placed on lockdown. Around 15 hours later police arrested him and took him to a local hospital. The incident disrupted the travel plans of students and campus activities for several days. Davis was charged with two counts of murder and one count of unlawful possession of a firearm used to commit murder."
Not a school shooting.
"A police officer was shot outside a school in a school zone while he was directing school buses into J.B. Martin Middle School, and the suspect was apprehended at the scene"
Not a school shooting.
"A teenager was found killed in the parking lot of Tenaya Middle School. The shooting was reported to have occurred after school hours"
Not a school shooting.
The list would be better described as "death resulting from violence on school grounds" Not all of them are traditional mass shootings. That's true up and down the data set. On the net net, it paints a real story. School shootings have gone up dramatically overtime. Present data to the contrary, or lets get back to a meaningful conversation. No the list would be better titled "gun control propaganda". The first one I listed nobody was even injured. It was an accident in a criminal justice class.
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Re: School Shootings Per Decade
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05/18/18 08:32 PM
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"Central Michigan University shooting: 19-year-old student James Eric Davis Jr. shot and killed his mother and father when they came to campus to take him home for spring break. After the shooting Davis fled and the campus was placed on lockdown. Around 15 hours later police arrested him and took him to a local hospital. The incident disrupted the travel plans of students and campus activities for several days. Davis was charged with two counts of murder and one count of unlawful possession of a firearm used to commit murder."
Not a school shooting.
"A police officer was shot outside a school in a school zone while he was directing school buses into J.B. Martin Middle School, and the suspect was apprehended at the scene"
Not a school shooting.
"A teenager was found killed in the parking lot of Tenaya Middle School. The shooting was reported to have occurred after school hours"
Not a school shooting.
The list would be better described as "death resulting from violence on school grounds" Not all of them are traditional mass shootings. That's true up and down the data set. On the net net, it paints a real story. School shootings have gone up dramatically overtime. Present data to the contrary, or lets get back to a meaningful conversation. No the list would be better titled "gun control propaganda". The first one I listed nobody was even injured. It was an accident in a criminal justice class. There's 516 incidents on that list. You go through and scrub out all the ones that don't meet your mental model of a school shooting. When your done repost the graph. I'll personally send you a crisp 100 dollar bill in the mail if the result shows anything other school shootings have gone up in recent history. I can't even believe we are arguing this.
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