Police stations need to be conjoined with our schools.

Police stations get visited by plenty of riffraff

There are more schools than possible police stations,

Legalize casinos and marihoochie, tax it, spend the $$ on multiple full time police and metal detectors and increased security measures for every campus.

I thought about that after I submitted. I think there is a way to do it but admittedly it may not be possible. The city of dallas has half as many cops as they need. How could we possibly get so many more to cover schools as well?

I�m starting the Committee to Elect kdub#1 Governor organization

That's a good point. They would have to be well paid. I'm not an expert on the subject but isn't Dallas' problem it's own doing by underpaying officers and skrewing them out of their pensions?

If Dallas has that problem I�m guessing every overpopulated city in the country does.

Great idea. Make schools safer and roads more dangerous.

Whatever you want to do with casinos is fine. Let's not pretend that marijuana legalization is somehow tied to school safety.

I will do it for at a competitive rate to become a reduction or elimination of my school taxes.

I honestly believe this would deter a huge number of these incidents:

Or it could be seen as a challenge to someone that wants to die anyway

Because drunk drivers aren't already doing that. Don't try to legislate your own morals under the guise of public safety by calling for increased government involvement in our own personal decisions. Please... I'm talking about taxing something that people are already using and is far safer than alcohol.

WHAT!!!

You speak of a lack of police yet if I drive from my house to the grocery store there is a good chance I see 3 radaring. It's a priority deal.

In aledo? I don�t think you�ve been paying attention

Dress code, no backpacks.

Here's a little secret... more cops, metal detectors, armed teachers, etc. will not stop the school shootings.

Maybe it will improve response time and possibly decrease the number of victims, but it will do nothing to limit the number of deranged people that decide they want to go shoot up a room full of innocents.

One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7. Once those campuses are secure, we can begin with mental health evaluations of students who are flagged as a possible threat, CPS visits to their homes with their parent(s). If they're determined to be a risk to themselves or the public, they get committed, and not to an alternative school.

One way in and one way out in a school would probably be very high on the building code and fire code violation list.

Probably work. Good employment for ex military.

And the cost is higher taxes. Will anyone want to pay for it. They're complaining about higher taxes all the time on here.

Nudity - You never hear of these events at nudist colonies....

Exceptions to exits will be made in cases of an emergency. With those same armed guards and the responding LEOs stationed at those exits.

This may be the best "easy fix". Controlled entrance and exit with some kind of detection system. The problem would be at some schools (like Arlington Martin HS, with about 3,400) with high enrollments. Trying to get that many in a door would take a while. Maybe stagger the arrival times by class (freshman, sophomore, etc).

I honestly believe you're dead wrong.
The last few mass shootings at schools were ones that had armed persons in the school.
Like terrorists that have no concern for their own lives, these kids are obviously so disturbed that the chance of dying isn't a deterrent.

Bad idea.

Especially if the riffraff that hang around police stations and city jails were brought into close proximity with children.

Correct and conceal and carry still apply

So make lockup where it currently is.

Bigger gun free zone signs.

And therein is the problem, there is no way to stop someone who wants to die. I don�t think that�s being negative or pessimistic, I think it�s reality. Cold, sober, hard, reality. We will never be able to stop this from happening.

Of all the approaches I�m aware of, the Argyle approach makes the most sense to me. Prevent, decrease...etc. yes, but elimination isn�t feasible.

Quit glorifying (for want of a better word) mass murderers in the media . How many potential psychopaths have been "inspired" by the infamous ?

Shoot , Shovel , Shut up .

How about we start small with parenting

Barring physically intervening and restraining a person who wants to die, you are right on Saw. Though I do believe we can get much better at preventing psychotic people from inflicting mass casualties. Like killing them first!

Argyle is a step in the right direction. But those folks carrying must train constantly to be proficient in a deadly situation. [i][/i]

My idea would be a next step in further hardening the security of our schools, as I stated above. After that's taken care of, we can begin to address mental health of students (and parents) if needed. Social media footprints of anyone that's a concern must be monitored and kids have to get more serious about ratting out a classmate of concern. In ALL of the school shootings I can recall of late, there have been digital footprints that Ray Charles could follow. How this isn't getting the attention it REQUIRES can only be due to privacy laws and/or schools afraid to report for fear of lost funding.

CPS visits the home and the parents. Mental health professionals evaluate the kid(s) and parents if need be recommend a next course of action, if any.

Kids deemed a threat to themselves or society go to a secure mental health facility.

Give the parents back the right to discipline their kids and hold both parents accountable if the kid does something like that.

Let the school district get its own police authority, hire and train armed guards, will work out if the guards aren't afraid to go after the shooter.

I would never want to be a police officer but I�d gladly help protect a school. Where do I sign up?

1. Bring back physical discipline in schools
Children are growing up without a healthy sense of fear. They think they can hire a lawyer and sue anyone that physically reprimands them
Human beings (the vast majority of them, even children) know right from wrong. For many, just knowing is enough for them to play with others well. Some need the deterrent of fear of physical punishment

2. Go back to books and get rid of google classroom Ban iPhones and iPads in schools until 11th and 12th grade
Children aren�t learning the most important skills these days�interpersonal communication. Interpersonal communication teaches respect for others, compromise, and success and/or failure as a team, as a communal person (part of a greater good). Doing what is best for the group takes priority over what is best for the individual (this goes back to the ridiculous concept of supreme individual liberty/power that is reinforced by our legal culture). Interpersonal communication teaches responsibility, reliability, and culpability; you are only as good as your word

Slap a bully down. HS is a meat grinder. Everyone wants to be at the cool kids table. The Cool kids didn't put up with Bullies back in the day.

THIS...^^^^^. Arm more teachers and administrators, stop advertising schools as gun free zones. Makes them a soft target for these punks and cowards

Word. That�s where my twins will be starting school in the fall.

Okay, just to play Devil's Advocate on this line of thinking....

Say I am the student from today's shooting. Been going to this school for 3 or 4 years I know the teachers. I know that there are 2 armed security guards on duty (as there were today) Know which other teachers or staff are armed or might be. I'm suicidal, but determined to pay back those bullies before I off myself. So I get my dad's guns, go into class, and when the teacher isn't looking, I pull out my gun and take out the teacher first. Cool, now I have an extra gun.....

More guns in school doesn't address why the student took the gun to school in the first place. Do we really need to turn back to the Wild Wild West?

Argyle has kids with two parents that care about them. The whole problem IMHO starts at home. Just my opinion, Argyle will not have problems that a Ft. Worth, Crowley or Everman school may have.

This
Will not stop it, but it wouldn't hurt. These socially inept kids get off on seeing themselves on tv and in the newspaper. Looks to me they should be denied the publicity. No name, description, picture...nothing.

He is right. Prayers up to the families involved.

Higher Taxes? Football coaches make over $100K per year in High School.

Yes and we build multi-million dollar stadiums. It's priorities.

Quit spending 73 million dollars on school football stadiums and spend that money on security systems.

Have manned metal detectors at every school entrance any time a door is being used. Have random metal detector searches of all student lockers.
Wand students at random times. Any type of forbidden weapon results in immediate expulsion. The rule should be posted in every room and other conspicuous places in the school buildings. There should be no excuse for not knowing the rules.

We have the TSA to thwart airplane hijacking's with all the security apparatus and personnel. We should be able to learn something from that.

As a retired LEO who was over court security, the only way is to make it air tight, but it�s going to mean bucks. A sign prohibiting weapons is posted outside the entrance. It means one entrance staffed by two guards who run packs, coats etc. thru x-ray and then the person goes thru a �walk thru metal detector.� The guard also carries a hand wand. Students will exit thru one exit manned by a guard to prevent entry thru the exit. Everyone enters and exits the same, students, staff and visitors no exceptions. If a weapon is detected an immediate arrest is made. The only way this system is breached is if the perp enters with guns a blazing then the fight is on. Everything else Like armed teachers is fine but it�s all � after the fact� and that�s too late. The perp doesn�t have to be a student there and we can talk all day about what parents should be doing. It�s obvious it�s not going to happen because adults have shown that they can�t even get their act together and stay married much less raise up their kids in church.

Yes, this ^^^^^

+1

HAHAHAHA, good one. lol. that is nuts.

Many are offended when it is suggested that it is a mental health issue. I can understand why since it tends to lump everyone with a mental health issue into one group. But these kids who are shooters or for that matter those who use any kind of weapon for killing are very troubled. Almost always, after the fact, they are identified as having social issues, being bullied, horrible parents, etc. But meeting all of those criteria is legal, at least until some law is broken. They are obviously kids that need some help early on and it simply isn't available or isn't affordable.

I doubt that arming the schools will make much difference as often the shooters are suicidal and having armed guards would only increase the glory for them.

We need to treat the problem rather than the symptoms.

I agree with PoBoy, HS football is over the top in this state.

What drives me nuts is people, mostly liberals, seem to have trouble understanding that this is a multi layer problem. There isn't just a one size fits all quick fix. Until the root causes are addressed, things will not change. Until then the wheels on the bus go round and round.

Perfect. Define what the goal is and then decide what we�re willing to do to achieve it. In this case the goal would be to �make our schools at least as safe as we do our court buildings�. We could easily develop a list of what�s needed and how much it will cost. If we�re not willing to come up with the bucks to implement it then we have to define a different goal. We either want what we�re giving lip service about wanting or we don�t...

The contributors, like poor parenting, lack of discipline, video games, smart phones...etc. great, let�s work on that. If you believe things you have no control of will change for the better, great. If and when progress is made we can re-visit our need to protect schools. Until then we (as a society) need to �put up or shut up�.

the doors operate on the way out in a fire
with a push bar

Would you guys support an extra tax on guns and ammo if the revenue went 100% towards school security (more SROs, metal detectors, etc..)?

what I find is that people that always blame "liberals" for everything are just people that want nothing done about anything unless its to build another football stadium

no. why punish gun owners?

why dont we just concede that we are not going to do anything at all and eat lunch , forget it happened.

Thank's for the help. Next time just stay home.

Truth

Not to worry, this story will be out of the headlines in a week

Getting rid of those back packs and "creative" carriers ( like a guitar case) sports bags... hoodies ...etc would make it harder for someone to get a weapon in.... get small lap tops for them to do their work on ...assign home work on the PC there would be no need to carry books everywhere in bags .....gotta check what's coming in no matter how long it takes....Have local task force do surprise visits with the dogs...close the campus..have a check point for deliveries or carrying anything that could conceal weapons....... people are going to have to be willing to do something different.....some of the things i listed would be a good start

You can either restrict the freedoms of students or restrict the freedoms of everyone.

I vote restrict the student freedoms.

No, why did you pick guns and ammo?

No, for a few reasons. One has been stated above. Another is that not all killings and injuries at schools come from firearms. People use knives, explosives, and bludgeoning instruments as well.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/stabbings-fran...ory?id=23253018

Presumably, improved security would seek to stop ALL such weapons from being brought into school. Thus, if taxation of the instruments were to be considered, it would have to tax ALL weapons that get used, or might be used.

The next reason is that the taxation of firearms & ammunition strikes me as an infringement of the right to keep and bear arms. It's one thing for the free market to raise prices (say if more stores like Walmart and Dicks stop selling guns, reducing competition and raising prices), but it's another for government to impose higher prices.

ever seen lake travis HS?? the size of UT and there is no way to do this. The trend is larger HS. what are dogs gonna do besides get shot?
its kids showing up guns a blazing.

how about higher property taxes?

The one way in one way it is good except for those schools with 1000 or more students. The only way to do that is have multiple entry points with all the said technology. It would still take hours to get everyone through.

As an aside, the brand new high school my kids attended could have catastrophic numbers of injuries due to the layout. Basically, almost all of the students funnel into a common area between classes that has a 2nd floor overlooking...fish in a barrel.

I think you guys would be surprised at how many students are probably in favor of this. I am currently at an alternative school and we did a poll and 98% students were for these measures, metal detectors, more armed security, etc. They want to feel safe more than anyone else.

Not to mention having hundreds of students who are vulnerable every day with nowhere to hide...all in a nice line.

I would also implement a dress code and require school uniforms. I would have each entry with one door, then metal detector, guards with a live camera. About 75-100 feet beyond this have a door that when someone watching the camera sees someone pull out a gun those doors shut and lock, bullet proof glass or no glass at all. When that button is hit all doors and building close and lock and you are on instant lock down.

hey, as long as MY rights arent infringed on and they still have a competitive football team I dont care what happens.

That�s a good point

i like the idea of modeling our schools like how the japs do it

or give the kids bat shields, oh yeah

the dogs can locate explosives and firearms......i guess everyone wants to tell us how it cant be done instead of how it can.....they check people at airports and it takes forever....havent seen any planes from the US hi-jacked since we started tho------ checking that many students would take time but it would go a hell of a lot quicker if you limit what they can carry and wear on campus or we can do nothing and keep getting the same results....

Its Ok, I have solved the problem or at least half. Separate the girls/boys. Girls arent shooting up schools. Then you can concentrate on only half the student pop. It would make it a lot easier.

In contrast with the above mentioned idea of taxing guns & ammo, this at least spreads the cost evenly across everyone. This strikes me as more fair than singling out lawful firearms owners.

All for it

My property taxes have gone up 80k in 3 years. Please. Mercy.

Not at all. It just needs to be a real solution and not a band-aide.

Sadly that money doesnt make it to the schools.

How about a tax on guns/ammo that funds jobs for veterans as school security offers? In return, no further restrictions on gun owners?

I'm just trying to think of a compromise that could ACTUALLY pass into law.

how about stop wasting millions on sports and pay for the things that actually matter?

how much money does HS football generate? along with the tournaments that are held in the facilities? I don't know the answer to that.

You sir just won the internet.

Congrats Bigbob!

I thought about making schools a secure zone with limited perimeter entrances with metal detectors and trained armed security. The problem is that those who are doing the shootings would find a seam or another way to get their warped mentally ill message across. Put up a fence and they run a vehicle thru it to a area where students have gathered. Or maybe the shooter waits for a off school event. Typically these shootins happen in a very short time. By the time security gets there some would have been killed.

To me the answer is in how kids are raised and what creates mental illness for them. Need to focus on the why not the how. The common thing between these school shootings is that the shooter is in his mind getting even or punishing a certain group. Most often those who have bullied, teased, or ostracized the shooter. Or teachers or school officials they hold a grudge against.

Lynch mob the kid and cut his head off today you got a live one

Show it on tv and see if it helps any

Hope this does not hurt anyone's feelings

I think hiring Professional security,dressed in street clothes to walk the school would be a huge deterrent. No visible weapons just the presence. This seems to be a common thing over seas and it works. I'm on the fence with arming teachers.

how about somebody put a bullet in the tards head right out in the parking lot after they arrested him for everyone to see.

Since we are tossing out Constitutional rights, can we toss out the Second Amendment as well. What about the first? We should probably get rid of that one too.

Right in line with the constitution. Way to go.

Smart move. Right in line with the Constitution. And we are all supporters of the constitution. Right?

Yeah right, now you are a Constitutional scholar. What happened to your previous interpretation of the Constitution being a "living, flexible, breathing document".

How about no prison time for convicted mass killers? Automatic death penalty and no appeals. Sent direct to execution upon conviction.

It would be impressive to see a judge say �You shall be hung by the neck until dead. At dawn tomorrow. �

Kinda takes all the fun out of mass murder, huh?

The Israelis can show us how to do it.

Not for a pyscopath. Many of y�all seem to be approaching this as if it�s was a normal, rational person doing the shooting.

You mean mandatory military service for all men and woman over the age of 18?

damn straight.

How would this prevent school shootings?

It will build character and instill self confidence. Not to mention full training in losing and starting over.

Still right there. What happened to your interpretation that the constitution is absolute?

Aren't most of these shootings being done by students who would not be military age yet?

A Santa Fe, Tx minister said it best...""We have created a culture that does not value life, that does not honor God, that does not respect authority. We are reaping the consequences of those actions, and that's not going to be reversed by a security guard or a metal detector."

"the long-term goal is to change hearts."

"We're allowing the culture to raise our kids,"

Exactly.

Damnit! I hate it when you�re right.

Oh, so you don't like it when you are called out for being inconsistent.

It takes a village.

Steadfast.The Constitution stands as written in English language. My point is that you cannot use the Constitution to back up your argument when it is convenient, then deny its intent in a different argument. You are simply "piling on" and jibber jabbering which is expected in a liberals rant.

What? I lost you here. Did you forget about your first reply?

"to raise an idiot", I think is the remainder of the phrase.

that's why it's called a lynch mob

Pretty much what has happened. Not likely to be reversed.

This.

The guy who killed 5 people at the Fort Lauderdale airport in 2017 was a veteran who served in Iraq.

Timothy McVeigh was a veteran.
He killed 168 people.

Whitman.

Oswald

trying to change peoples hearts and minds is a pipe dream. It only takes one nut job with worms in his head and the internet.
You take a guy that has mental issues and he feeds his bias with constant info to support that he is in fact not crazy(jade helm) and POp goes the weasel.
Its that simple.

Interesting to see how many who speak of the constitution when opposing any form of gun control but will turn around and advocate for summary judgement and hanging, firing squad etc of a suspected school shooter.

It seams some want to turn schools into prisons not good. Most are so focused on guns. By the time I was 15 I could make big boom boom and use a match. The sign thing take down gun free zone and replace with the ones you see here in Texas. Will it stop someone hail bent on destruction no it will keep honest honest. Have media show teachers willing to carry at the range practicing once a month for a year. No faces just school teeshirts and bang bang. This will put in the back of the mind you will face a gun fight if you bring that chit here.

Just as "Gun Free Zone" signs are an open invitation to wackos, the open disclosure of preventive force will keep nuts away.

That is an accomplished jumper.