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#12754320 - 05/14/18 08:18 AM Which one happens first?
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With the rapid advancement of sonar technology and smart trolling motors and so on, which happens first. A reduction of bag limits or a “ban” on future technology. I think that nothing will happen until the cost involved allows everyone access to the technology. What do you think?

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#12754338 - 05/14/18 08:29 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Reduction of bag limits but I am not even sure that will happen honestly. Too much money involved with all of the new technology to ban it.
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#12754420 - 05/14/18 09:07 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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A ban on "future technology" sounds like Ted Kazinski's manifesto, completely un-American. Managing fish stocks will be done by bag limits and seasons far into the future unless we're all speaking Russian or Chinese.


Edited by Anejo (05/14/18 09:08 AM)
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#12754435 - 05/14/18 09:15 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Why does it seem like everyone's answer to added fishing pressure is bag limit reduction? My solution would be to stock the lakes with MORE fish! Tawakoni is a perfect example in regards to hybrid and striper.

#1 combined hybrid/striper stocking in the state, also supplemented by TSA
#1 or #2 guide/recreational harvest in the state (*Texoma may be higher)
#1 combined hybrid/striper fishery in the state

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Fertile East Texas lakes have massive baitfish populations that can sustain much larger gamefish populations than we currently see.
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#12754455 - 05/14/18 09:24 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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I also think that it will be a bag management issue. However, you will not see drastic reductions until the cost of said technology becomes affordable for the general weekend fisherman or woman. At that point, then unfortunately, the guides will be the most effected. I would assume that they would just change their approach and run multi species trips.

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#12754474 - 05/14/18 09:35 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Interesting question. Golf did that with technology; limiting the speed at which the golf ball can leave the clubface (at a given swing speed). Car racing, baseball, etc... I'm sure, also limits technology advantages. Fishing is headed down that path too.

However, I believe the bag limit is imposed from data collected balanced vs conservation needs, and are adjusted to meet those goals (yearly basis??). I'm not sure if technology plays a part in bag limits. So the bag limit encompasses all inputs such as technology, technique, #anglers, numbers kept, etc...
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#12754496 - 05/14/18 09:54 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: Chris Richardson]
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Originally Posted By: Chris Richardson
Why does it seem like everyone's answer to added fishing pressure is bag limit reduction? My solution would be to stock the lakes with MORE fish! Tawakoni is a perfect example in regards to hybrid and striper.

#1 combined hybrid/striper stocking in the state, also supplemented by TSA
#1 or #2 guide/recreational harvest in the state (*Texoma may be higher)
#1 combined hybrid/striper fishery in the state

Win,Win,Win



Fertile East Texas lakes have massive baitfish populations that can sustain much larger gamefish populations than we currently see.


TSA does an awesome job and it shows on Tawakoni. Wish more lakes had organizations like them. The difference between stripers / hybrids and say whites and crappie is the fact that the latter are spawn replishment only, once established. To supplement the spawn by stocking would require new hatcheries to support it, I would assume. Then you get into the whole funding issue and round and round we go.

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#12754636 - 05/14/18 10:59 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Originally Posted By: sliding by
[quote=Chris Richardson]Why does it seem like everyone's answer to added fishing pressure is bag limit reduction? My solution would be to stock the lakes with MORE fish! Tawakoni is a perfect example in regards to hybrid and striper.

#1 combined hybrid/striper stocking in the state, also supplemented by TSA
#1 or #2 guide/recreational harvest in the state (*Texoma may be higher)
#1 combined hybrid/striper fishery in the state

Win,Win,Win



Fertile East Texas lakes have massive baitfish populations that can sustain much larger gamefish populations than we currently see.


Well that would definitely be the best option but that also costs a lot of money. Lowering the bag limits doesn't cost them a dime....
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#12754704 - 05/14/18 11:32 AM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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I'm not sure on this one, I really don't think there will be a ban on technology. I don't really catch any more fish with my ipilot than I did before it, I just don't lose 3-4 anchors per year in trees.

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#12754861 - 05/14/18 12:52 PM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Originally Posted By: sliding by
which happens first. A reduction of bag limits or a “ban” on future technology.


I think that this is a false dilemma.

Technology: The only technology that I foresee being banned is that which has a direct environmental impact, such as two-cycle engines, or lead sinkers/lures. In each of those examples, there are alternatives available, such as cleaner-burning four stroke motors, or tungsten weights.

But as far as improved electronics, trolling motors, and the like go - I don't see any reason that they would be banned for recreational fishing (perhaps tournament fishing might limit the use of some technology?)

Bag limits: unless the use of better tech were to drastically affect fish populations, there would be no reason to reduce bag limits. I've had some 100+ and even 200+ days catching sandbass, but no matter how many I caught that day, only 25 went home with me, and the rest were released for another day. To my knowledge, most guides operate the same way.

Unless you are suggesting that better technology will allow fishermen to retain more fish than they would under current limits, there is no reason to think that better tech should mean lower bag limits. I can go fishing without a trolling motor and easily catch 50+ sandbass in a day, and keep my limit if I wish. Even if I use better tech so I can catch more fish, I don't get to keep any more than I did by fishing on the anchor.

So, false dilemma as posed.
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#12755035 - 05/14/18 02:30 PM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: Uncle Zeek]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Zeek
Originally Posted By: sliding by
which happens first. A reduction of bag limits or a “ban” on future technology.


I think that this is a false dilemma.


Bag limits: unless the use of better tech were to drastically affect fish populations, there would be no reason to reduce bag limits. I've had some 100+ and even 200+ days catching sandbass, but no matter how many I caught that day, only 25 went home with me, and the rest were released for another day. To my knowledge, most guides operate the same way.

Unless you are suggesting that better technology will allow fishermen to retain more fish than they would under current limits, there is no reason to think that better tech should mean lower bag limits. I can go fishing without a trolling motor and easily catch 50+ sandbass in a day, and keep my limit if I wish. Even if I use better tech so I can catch more fish, I don't get to keep any more than I did by fishing on the anchor.

So, false dilemma as posed.


The new technology we have now allows more people to go out and catch limits on a daily basis. This is where the bag limit comes into play. In general, it is easier than it ever has been to always bring home a limit where in the past without all of the technology that was not the case.

An example I can think of is when I fish for crappie. The windy days for me are tough as I don't have a spot lock TM and I either don't fish or just catch what I can. If I had the spot lock TM, I could go out no matter the wind and catch my limit.
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#12755064 - 05/14/18 02:42 PM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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No matter how good the technology is, 10% of the fisherman will catch 90% of the fish, you have to be good at using the technology first, and you have to have the right gear, lures, etc to make them bite. I don’t think anything will change, as fish numbers are pretty dang high and most people won’t get a limit, even then, fish like sandbass and crappie breed like rabbits and will never go away.
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#12755192 - 05/14/18 04:07 PM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: Uncle Zeek]
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Loc: Austin
Originally Posted By: Uncle Zeek
Originally Posted By: sliding by
which happens first. A reduction of bag limits or a “ban” on future technology.


I think that this is a false dilemma.

Technology: The only technology that I foresee being banned is that which has a direct environmental impact, such as two-cycle engines, or lead sinkers/lures. In each of those examples, there are alternatives available, such as cleaner-burning four stroke motors, or tungsten weights.

But as far as improved electronics, trolling motors, and the like go - I don't see any reason that they would be banned for recreational fishing (perhaps tournament fishing might limit the use of some technology?)

Bag limits: unless the use of better tech were to drastically affect fish populations, there would be no reason to reduce bag limits. I've had some 100+ and even 200+ days catching sandbass, but no matter how many I caught that day, only 25 went home with me, and the rest were released for another day. To my knowledge, most guides operate the same way.

Unless you are suggesting that better technology will allow fishermen to retain more fish than they would under current limits, there is no reason to think that better tech should mean lower bag limits. I can go fishing without a trolling motor and easily catch 50+ sandbass in a day, and keep my limit if I wish. Even if I use better tech so I can catch more fish, I don't get to keep any more than I did by fishing on the anchor.

So, false dilemma as posed.


For you, I agree it is a false dilemna; but, I think for the 10% who catch their limit 90% of the time, the new technology won't affect you. What I think it will do is make that 10% number go higher to 15%, 20%, so on. Now, there are more people taking home the 25 fish, even though it didn't change your take home at all. Over time, it will deplete the population. But bag limits are based on population polls on a regular basis; so it's all encompassing of technology, fishing pressure, and so on.
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#12755275 - 05/14/18 04:48 PM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Registered: 02/09/07
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They aint going to limit technology that's for sure! I could see them reducing bag limits and I am all for it.

They aint going to up their stockings either. History has shown just the opposite in fact that's why organizations like TSA and RHSA have been established because TP&W aint doing their part like they use to.

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#12755780 - 05/14/18 10:26 PM Re: Which one happens first? [Re: sliding by]
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Registered: 12/13/02
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Loc: FT. WORTH, TX. U.S.A.
I also believe this is a false delemma.

As long as TPW keeps current stockings of all fish at current levels then our limits don’t need to be changed.
With a rod and reel I can’t catch them any faster. They seem to be gaining on us at PK..

Only one thing has ever come close to wiping out the fishing at PK. That’s Golden Alga.
PK and all the Brazos lakes lost almost all there fish in 2001.
As far as I know not one Sand Bass or Crappie was ever restocked on the Brazos. Yet they thrive!
Unless we start shocking or fishing with nets the rod and reel will never clean out our lakes.

There a lot of people I know who have the best electronics money can buy. They can’t catch fish.
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